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Is This The Striker Newcastle Need Now?

3:10 pm, Sunday, January 3rd, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 264 Comments

Adam Armstrong hit a great hat-trick for Coventry City yesterday as they smashed Crewe Alexandra on the road 5-0 and it comes days after Steve McClaren said Adam would be staying at Coventry on loan for the season.

But watching the goals he scored yesterday and how we struggled with some fairly easy chances at Arsenal yesterday – maybe the 18 year-old could do a job for this season – so it could be worth bringing him back into the first team squad – which is in his loan contract and  can be done at any time.

We initially thought it best to leave Adam on loan at Coventry, but that was before Newcastle got into so much trouble over the holiday period and haven’t scored a goal in the last three games – and we have missed our chances big time.

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Adam Armstrong – hat-trick yesterday – synchronized celebration

We have nothing to lose in bringing him back.

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Adam now has 16 goals in 22 appearances for Coventry this season.



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264 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Ron Knee // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:15 PM

    Palace under the cosh.

  • 2 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:15 PM

    Moonraker
    From previous,
    What bit don’t you get, he doesn’t need us to be successful to sell cheap shite, if like firetrap was emblazened all over the ground and at every interview and presser then msybe it would be different, why do you think that those god awful adverts are made with a lower budget than a Franks carpet effort shown on ITV 4 during reruns of Crossroads at eleven o clock at night

  • 3 OneAlanShearer // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:17 PM

    No.

  • 4 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:18 PM

    Munster,
    You forgot to mention that you thought Pardew was an average manager and wouldn’t have him back but thought he was overly criticised by EVERYONE on here.

  • 5 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:22 PM

    jail

    i think moanster may have mentioned something on those lines. can’t be sure of course but it does ring a faint bell.

  • 6 catchy in norway // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:23 PM

    yes, but only if he starts, dont want him back to just get 5 mins at the end of the game.

    he is better than we have right now.

  • 7 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:25 PM

    the kid is playing with a smile on his face. don’t remember seeing that here.

  • 8 Our Toon // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:29 PM

    Has Armstrong really improved so much over this season that he’ll have an affect in the starting XI now….i don’t think he has, he’s currently playing for a very strong Coventry side 2 levels below the prem. I hope he carries on playing well for them and more importantly he keeps learning. Coming back here and into a relegation isn’t the right place for a teenager.

    Take a look at Grealish bags of talent means nothing in relegation dog fight. Experienced heads are needed

  • 9 Thump // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:29 PM

    No, let him develop. Why throw him into a team that doesn’t know how to put in a final ball?

  • 10 Munster Mag // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:29 PM

    Not sure what you mean Jail. All I have ever said re Pardew was that he is an average manager, and probab;ly an improving one. He had some issues re temperment and was well able to talk rubbish at times, but he was an average manager with an average club. He is doing really well at Palace. The guys who constantly said he was a crap manager got it wrong. They were incorrect and also incorrect in saying he would take Palace down. That doesnt mean I am a Pardew fan – just not an anti Pardew hater, if that makes sense. Halfwits like Tuff cant reconcile this opinion, but thats not my problem. I cant say I like SMC much either, but he seems far less self centred than Pardew.

  • 11 blew // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:34 PM

    15 Toon 1st team appearances and 0 goals, say no more.
    He is an 18 year old in a body of that age, playing at a
    level which is good for him. Leave the kid alone.
    A silly feature.

  • 12 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:35 PM

    Ancient C – Considering that SD shares value is directly attributed to the money coming from the paying Newcastle fan.

    What a strange statement

  • 13 geordie157 // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:38 PM

    Leave Armstrong at Coventry for the whole season.

    What we need is prem experience, Ben Davies, Shelvey and Remy possibly.

    See Leicester are signing Birminghams young winger Gray another good signing for them.

  • 14 ROSHAN MAGPIE // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:40 PM

    we need him for championship football next season

  • 15 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:42 PM

    Munster,
    I just thought something felt missing ftom your post with you leaving that bit out.

  • 16 ROSHAN MAGPIE // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:42 PM

    without service even Suarez or Aguero can’t help us

  • 17 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:44 PM

    How ironic
    The twistiest whiners on here call Munster “Moanster”

  • 18 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:44 PM

    I think Loic Remy has far better options than a return to us.

  • 19 Munster Mag // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:45 PM

    Hands up, I was one of the ones who was pleased with the 50m invested in the summer and really expected more. I do think that many of our players are mentally weak or mentally lazy, as they have underperformed for 3 managers now. Carr should be banned from France and start spending money like he spent on Thauvin on guys in germany and spain. No strikers or defenders from Holland ( a weak league ) with overrated managers aswell. Lets focus on england, germany and spain from now on, and pay the bucks accordingly Mr Ashey. My big concerns is the strength of the league this year. I cant find 3 teams worse than us. But hopefully one hot striker would lift us so much. Paul Goddard anyone ? 🙂

  • 20 catchy in norway // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:47 PM

    roshan

    come on man,, do you even watch us??? we are creating very good chances, just nobody is tucking them away..

    and like i say he is better than we have right now.

    but he would have to play up front not a winger, and he would have to play 90+ mins

  • 21 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:47 PM

    Munster,
    The players have been sold on the idea that we sre a stepping stone, they honestly don’t give a fcuk about us.

  • 22 AncientC // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:48 PM

    Jib – Yes, very strange indeed.

    Paying fans are helping to finance the club, in the meantime, money that should be coming in from advertising is partly being deducted from the financial injection the fans put in.

  • 23 lesh // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:49 PM

    Ed, get a grip man!

    Armstrong’s thriving at Coventry and bringing him back now is the sort of daft idea that’d appeal to Charnley and Ashley. It could save the cost of buying a proven striker.

    However, if he were brought back and didn’t score the goals we need, we’d be relegated, his head would go down and any confidence developed at Coventry, shattered.

    Please Ed, don’t float such ideas as it will have occurred to Charnley and Ashley who’ll see your comments as an endorsement!

  • 24 lesh // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:51 PM

    Repost from.previous thread

    Wenger’s comments were good but while he said we are a good side, he also referred to our confidence being down and implicitly getting worse the longer we go on losing. There was a point well made and players need a lift.

    We’ve been in and around the relegation spots since August and McClaren’s said to have presented and specified the areas that need attention to strengthen a squad lacking in quality and strength in depth – some sux weeks ago!

    And what has Charnley done to act on McClaren’s recommendations? Bugger all!

    In well run businesses, forward-looking businesses, businesses with the interests of its customers at heart – along with profitability of course, a board acts to rectify any weaknesses or design faults in it’s products. If things continue to fail, then the MD’s moved on.

    But with Newcastle United, a club that barely avoided relegation last season and again flirting with it, it appears that the owner and three of its board of management, seem oblivious to the fact that the Club’s future, short and long-term is in jeopardy.

    They’ve had about six weeks to do something that will improve results by lifting the players’ confidence and thus will to win.

    We’ve heard Gini say he’d been told that the team was to rebuilt and he was part of that. It appears that the so-called board’s idea of a rebuild is buying three or four players, some if whom are not yet up to the rigours of the Prem. Failure to act now, by bringing in more players who will have an immediate impact could lead to Gini and others to believe they’ve been told lies. And what happens when players become disillusioned? They want out!

    Can Charnley, Carr, Moncur and Ashley not see that? Or could it be that they’ve closed their eyes to the reality? It seems to be the case and their behaviour is a disgrace, am insult to McClaren (doubtless a victim of their re-build lies), an insult to the players and thus an insult to the many thousands of fans, customers, who invest a lot of their time and money supporting this shambles of a club!

    The owner, Charnley, Carr and Moncur are not fit to have any control over Newcastle United or any business for that matter.

  • 25 Munster Mag // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:52 PM

    Jib, only ow hanginf fruit calls me Moanster. The smarter guys understand my point of view. I dont moan about the Toon more than anyone else. Have been supporting long before the “Toon” name came around!

  • 26 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:53 PM

    Carr should be banned fullstop from deciding who we should buy. A scouts job is to do what is says on the tin and then the manager should decide, if they are really going to persist with this policy of theirs then a fully qualified DoF should be hired in line with what the eighteenth richest club in the world should be able to afford.

  • 27 nufconceandfuturekings // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:56 PM

    Keep AA where he is. Very unfair to place him in the middle of a relegation struggle. The whole point of the last transfer window was to bring in a decent striker. Still waiting on that one. I’m not against Mitrovic in any way, he may just need time, but to put Adam amongst it would be risky. The bottom line, fellow fans, is that we are where we are after the monstrous regiment of Ashley and Co marched into our club, and ripped out its heart and soul for the quick profit margin; which is, after all, the SD business model. We can’t score goals. I cannot imagine how we’d fare in the Championship. I’m choosing to live in another universe, where Toon stays up, and all is well with the world. Sigh, I feel better already…

  • 28 lesh // Jan 3, 2016 at 3:59 PM

    Jail

    Didn’t know you’re a Crossroads fan. There’s not many of us prepared to own up to it.

    You’re probably a big fan of Prisoner Cell Block H too?

  • 29 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:02 PM

    Catchy

    It is simply not true to suggest we are laying on a conveyor belt of chances.
    We have fluffed the modest number of chances we have created over the past two games. The other side of the coin is that we got three points against Spurs from what may have been our only effort on goal. The story was not too different against Liverpool.
    The lack of chances we were creating was the main cause of concern just two games ago.
    The final ball made the degree of difficulty of all of our chances yesterday was above average and no sitters were missed.
    Even Perez’s good through ball to Wjnaldum was a fraction too slow, causing him to check rather than run onto and hit it at full pace. Arsenal missed easier chances.
    Arsenal did not press hard, and we played well because we were able to progress through the midfield more easily than usual. A lot of promising positions were achieved and then squandered by a poor choice of final ball.

  • 30 AncientC // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:02 PM

    I would be happy to see Armstrong back, you can see from his runs onto the front post, that he is an instinctive striker. I would leave him at Coventry though, simply based on the fact he is more likely to pick up an injury back at base.

  • 31 jayphoto // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:03 PM

    Personally thought we should bring Arma back but speaking to some Cov fans im not sure. They say hes very Raw and benefits from how gung ho attack coventry play but actually shows inexperience in his decisions. Technique, pace etc is outstanding but he needs maturity in his play.
    Seen the toon rush and ruin players before, think Arma is good where he is. Bring him back for preseason and judge where hes at in the summer

  • 32 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:04 PM

    lesh,
    Just used a Crossroads rerun as probably the cheapest show you could buy an advert on, but Prisoner on the hand had legendary cult status, who could forget those shaking cardboard walls when a door clsed.
    You used to bring me roses ?

  • 33 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:05 PM

    😀

  • 34 optimistic prime // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:05 PM

    Anybody have any idea what’s happening with Aaron’s contract? Has he signed a new one?

    Any word about the others who’s contracts are up?

  • 35 davis_toons // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:05 PM

    CP?

    Try taking away the spin of the squad players like Cabaye, Mile Jedinak (DM one of Tony Pulis strong and tall backbone) and Bolasie and see what you get in another 10 games.

    Mile Jedinak
    Palace’s general is another who would feel aggrieved to have missed out on the club’s best player award. Operating as the midfield anchor, nobody won more interceptions (137) and tackles (101) in the league. Had played every minute of the season until injury forced him off in the last game at Fulham.

    Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2014/05/27/crystal-palaces-best-five-players-of-the-season-4740401/#ixzz3wCI4vZHP

    Our squad backbone is a always under construction. Come and go..when players are too good to stay they need to be sold and in comes another new player.

    When will this stop..when the Owner decided to. Money is too good to be turn down.

    Look at Swansea if they keep on selling their key players..doom will soon befall on them

  • 36 toon22 // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:06 PM

    You woulkd think Remmy would end up at CP

  • 37 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:07 PM

    Munster

    I called you Moanster first.
    Once, because it was funny to point out how much moaning you did about moaners.
    It got a laugh, so I saw no point in using it again.
    A bit like the now rather droopy “low hanging fruit” witticism, which has never got a laugh.
    Both could be safely ditched without harming the quality of the blog too much.

  • 38 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:08 PM

    BandB,
    You’ve just blown Jibs theory of lack of ‘footy knowledge’ right out the water with that little piece.

  • 39 Munster Mag // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:09 PM

    Davis, I am relying on Swansea to slowly decline and help us out…there are so few crap teams in the eague and its hard to make a call re the Makems. They should go down, but Sam will get two-three reliable players. Already i have a feeling the french/african centre ha;f will do well. His stats are good. Hopefully he will be as bad as Mbiwa was for us.

  • 40 optimistic prime // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:09 PM

    Jib

    About as ironic as your sidekick calling True Geordie a legend whilst calling bloggers with the same views “moaners”

    Surprised you missed it.

  • 41 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:11 PM

    Jail

    Yeah…

    My Sunday man is round to write some football stuff for me and give me a seeing to before the housey starts.

  • 42 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:13 PM

    lesh – what has Charnley done to act on McClaren’s recommendations? Bugger all!

    Calm down dear
    The window has only been open 14 hours

  • 43 lesh // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:13 PM

    Jail

    Aye, Prisoner’s sets were priceless, even ‘stone’ walls shook!

    It’s noticeable that Mitro seems to sky a lot of headed attempts – could he need to have some work on the timing of his jumps so he gets his head over the ball rather than under?

  • 44 davis_toons // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:14 PM

    If you replace the player sold and bed in new players well. The impact will be smooth sailing but our club did not do that well.

    Our transection of players coming in and going out of the club is rather large volume every season. And often rock the ship so much that affect team morale.

    Its well known that there is nothing to build on and look forward for next season. Its always who is going and who is coming.

    The Owner is not helping alot.

  • 45 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:14 PM

    BandB
    I agree the service to the front men isn’t the best. Jamnutz is allowed to get forward meaning Dummett has to be more circumspect. But Jamnutz is far too wasteful. Perez’ ball to Gini was spot on. Gini’s first touch wasn’t.

  • 46 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:15 PM

    Malta Mag
    If you are there
    Sky have released their Super Sunday dates until Feb 28th so you should know in a couple of weeks .

  • 47 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:16 PM

    OP,
    Jibberish calling True Geordie a legend ????? Missed that one, I’d have thought his pi$$ would be boiling at the mere sound of him, a treacherous plastic fan who knows nowt about ‘footy’ and gets off at Central Station to get to the games.

  • 48 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:16 PM

    If SD advertising was banned from SJP, the SD share price wouldn’t flicker.

  • 49 davis_toons // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:17 PM

    “The window has only been open 14 hours”

    -And ambitious and well run clubs have already had players in place “BOOKED”

  • 50 lesh // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:17 PM

    Jib

    The window’s been open for signings for 14 hrs.

    Charnley’s had months to get signings lined up to sign contracts 14 hours ago.

    He lives in his own little world where his spreadsheet is his sole focus in life.

  • 51 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:17 PM

    OP,
    Just reread your post 😮

  • 52 optimistic prime // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:18 PM

    JFA

    Welsh called True Geordie a legend

  • 53 sing in the corner // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:20 PM

    Anyone else starting to consider Southampton as relegation co-contenders? They are dropping down the PL like a stone and maybe also starting to reap the rewards of the selling club stylee.

  • 54 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:21 PM

    Haven’t Leicester already signed players they needed.
    I wonder when bobbybee will change his 150M over three windows to three summer windows while telling us how much he USED to hate Mike Ashley but……

  • 55 welshgeordie9 // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:21 PM

    optimistic prime

    The True Geordie is funny when he goes off one, where as you lot aren’t, there’s a difference.

  • 56 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:23 PM

    B and B
    writes
    “Please excuse the shaky handwriting”

    😀

  • 57 AncientC // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:24 PM

    “If SD advertising was banned from SJP, the SD share price wouldn’t flicker.”

    Really? We are not talking about merely 1 year of free advertising.

  • 58 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:26 PM

    You should enjoy this Welshie

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moE3BMUbYQk

  • 59 optimistic prime // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:30 PM

    And there was me thinking another pot was being stirred.

  • 60 welshgeordie9 // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:33 PM

    Jib

    All his family must tall, size in him.

  • 61 welshgeordie9 // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:33 PM

    Be

  • 62 welshgeordie9 // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:34 PM

    optimistic

    You pass me the spoon and i will do the rest.

  • 63 welshgeordie9 // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:35 PM

    On

  • 64 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:38 PM

    Ancient
    The market capitalisatuon of SD is £3.21 bn. Free advertising at SJP is worth no more than £5m a year.

    Also, bear in mind, instead of Ashley giving free advertising to his other company, he could just as easily appoint himself a director at NUFC and take a salary for his input, he could pay himself dividends and/or charge a commercial rate of interest on his loan to NUFC. Other owners do such things. Our previous owners certainly did.

  • 65 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:39 PM

    The way I see the window is :-
    1. They had their “transfer” meeting in November so you would expect a shopping list to be drawn up.
    2. Wally Blusterman has said he has identified what we need.

    I would suggest therefore that we should be getting some decent players in – to occupy the “missing jigsaw” places.
    There should be no development squad mullarkey but players who can hit the ground running. The new players will form part of the new team -with more to come in the third window – this summer.

    Failure to get quality or any of this “we tried but failed to get them over the line” mullarkey will reveal that the hierarchy really have not changed one jot.

    Has anybody spotted Charlies removal van yet?

  • 66 Jail for Ashley // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:43 PM

    Blackley,
    Where do you puck the figure of 5M from out pf interest. And lets not even go there about what Ashley is taking out of the club with top notch accountancy, I certainly would bet his accountants and lawyers aren’t failed, sacked and from the lower leagues of their professions.

  • 67 toonking // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:44 PM

    manure win and rooney score against swansea, leicester draw and mahrez misses a penalty, city finally seem to be scoring away goals and now chelsea appear to be getting victories.

    Looks as though our unexpected PL is returning to normal will this mean we ourselves do have suvival sunday victory or is that just too much?

    adam armstrong is a player who I’d recommend remains on loan,he could be a great player come next season if and when we’re relegated into the championship. right now the pressure will more than likely get the better of him and when in the championship he could end up with fans less keen on him than the one we’d see returning with great confidence after a season on loan.

  • 68 AncientC // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:45 PM

    Blackley and Brownlie – SD’s net profit for 2014 was £180 million. If the advertising Ashley gets for free is worth say £5 million per annum, that is a sizeable and almost certainly has an effect on the value of the shares.

  • 69 AncientC // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:45 PM

    *sizeable chunk*

  • 70 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:46 PM

    Cracking goal by Dele Alli

  • 71 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:49 PM

    for another million we could have had dele alli
    6m for quality and we pay 14m for Thauvin!!

  • 72 Moonraker15 // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:49 PM

    Delli Alli ! Another one we chased for months and months but eventually lost him to Spurs like so many before him!
    Our management truly is Shite !

  • 73 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:50 PM

    toonking

    at this rate survival sunday may still be a good option to have

  • 74 croftus5678 // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:51 PM

    imo it would be a mistake bringing him back !

    yes we desp need him but if we did he would fail imo and that wouldnt be fair on him.

    coventry know how they play and have players in their right positions playing a certain way and arma knows where he fits in and whats around him and knows what to do but we are a million miles away from that atm.

    we swap and change both formations and personel and wij and others could be lw one game and cm the next so its no use getting to know what people will make what runs untill they stay in a certain place.

    the young lads need to keep things simple and organised so not to take too much on esp early in their careers imo !

  • 75 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:51 PM

    Sports Direct reports 7.6% rise in profits but blames poor Austrian ski season profit forecast for Sports Direct to £285million from £290million for 2015.

  • 76 toon kk // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:51 PM

    Adam Armstrong is doing well in league 1, he’ll make a great championship striker within a couple of seasons. He could be very useful when we go down. We need a real quality proven striker to get us goals now to prevent this.
    Our lack of cutting edge is costing us so many points it’s unbelievable.

  • 77 Moonraker15 // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:56 PM

    How much did we pay for Siemens de Jong ? he will never make a PL player and I think he knows it if the look on is face is anything to go by. How many millions have the goons wasted on these players? You could make a div 2 team out of them but it wouldn’t win a lot!

  • 78 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:58 PM

    BandB

    Ok I admit moanster is a childish moniker so I’ll refrain from using it in future but the guy doesn’t exactly endear himself calling people stupid etc, suggesting he possesses a superior form of intellect to some of us (he may well do) and being more fickle than a fickle thing do you m—. Oh nearly couldn’t resist it!!!

  • 79 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:59 PM

    moonraker

    is there more than 1?

  • 80 Moonraker15 // Jan 3, 2016 at 4:59 PM

    *Siem ! Freakin predictive text

  • 81 Jack Root // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:01 PM

    Pochettino’s a good judge of young talent. He has transformed Spurs in half a season. Martinez is poor by comparison and is not able to construct a defence going as far back as Wigan.

  • 82 toonking // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:06 PM

    If we can’t get a victory in the next month then i’d say we’re certain to get relegated because the fixtures of those around us are certain to get points

    12 jan
    us v manure
    swansea v scums
    stoke v norwich
    bournmouth v west ham

    16th jan
    us v west ham
    bournmouth v norwich
    spursv scums
    swansea watford

    23rd
    watford v us
    norwich v liverpool
    scums v bournmoth
    everton v swansea

  • 83 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:07 PM

    Ancient
    £5m is a very small percentage of the profit as you’ve indicated. Share prices don’t move on such smsll figures. I cant see this arrangement beingbon the radar of market but even if it were, the fact that Ashley could decide at any time to charge SD a fee for advertising (there’s nothing guaranteed about it) will aready be factored in.

    Jail, as far as I’m aware, Ashley is not taking much, if snything, out of NUFC in terms of remuneration, dividends or interest. What is the total in the last set of accounts?

  • 84 croftus5678 // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:09 PM

    @77 moon

    6mil.

  • 85 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:13 PM

    B and B
    I’ve just fished something out of my bugle and flicked it into the fire.
    It had a superior intellect to Mr Tuff.

  • 86 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:15 PM

    Oh Ancient C…

    You NEVER invite the vampire across your threshold, man.
    You now have no power over him, and he will suck your blood long after you (and everyone else) has passed peacefully away.

    Blackley,

    With regards to your Perez pass point, you might be right. It’s not my opinion. I’d like to talk to you about various things you write, but see above.

    As long as you think your “Emu attacks Parky” style is preciously de rigeur, I’ll continue to pass.

  • 87 ROSHAN MAGPIE // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:17 PM

    CATCHY we only create chances against good teams against others we create nothing did you saw west brom game or Everton game or bournmouth game

  • 88 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:19 PM

    Pressing their midfield worked well. But then we couldn’t finish as usual. Missing the net seems to be our specialty.

  • 89 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:25 PM

    On Adam Armstrong. Alan Shoulder made a massive leap from non league to the old division 2. He simply knew how to score goals. Excellent little poacher.

    How I’d love a Peter Withe now. A big man who could head the ball.

  • 90 Tsunki // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:28 PM

    RAAAAARRRR!!!! Back from a mauling by Blackley the Angry Bear who went into orbit because I couldn’t make out why he’s going all toonbrother on Colo because Perez and Elliot dithered the goal yesterday. Never mind his Janmutz thing ( no me neither) although I would have thought Daryl would have shielded the ball better had he rightly been there. Never mind.

    Now to today’s baffling FACT!

    Free advertising at SJP is worth no more than £5m a year.

    Now how do you come to that bargain figure, Blackley? Is that the average cost of panoramic ground advertising at a premier league club in an average campaign? That’s an honest question, I’ve not looked up the going rates.

    But I’m wondering just how much SD and it’s brands really benefit from such ads, seeing as the satellite feed of every single pl game for every club is sold worldwide? Someone in marketing must have a reasonable theory. My guess it’s worth a lot more to SD than £5m.

  • 91 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:28 PM

    We’ve got a big man who can head the ball B&B mate. He heads it straight over the net time after time. 😯

  • 92 Tsunki // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:29 PM

    …of course I hail from an age where £5m used to be considered a lot of money….

    🙂

  • 93 Jack Root // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:32 PM

    Ancient
    You clearly know nowt about markets/ share prices.
    In the case of SD- as a market leader, more impact from.
    company news ( good and bad)
    Overall sector, industry performance
    investor sentiment
    State of overall economy.
    Stick to the day job.

  • 94 Tsunki // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:32 PM

    G2 I think it’s simply that it’s been such a long time since our players have seen a goal and are starting to get used to where it is. Give it time and it will come. About a half season by my reckoning. 😐

  • 95 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:35 PM

    http://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-how-much-is-the-premier-league-worth-29863
    The above link is interesting. Worldwide advertising is a huge benefit to all the Prem clubs. Ashley knows exactly what it brings to SD. It will be in the tens of millions. The club make more than enough to be better than they are. Ashley is his own worst enemy. He has no clue who to hire and who to fire. That’s obvious from what happened last season with Mr. Bonehead himself Johnny Carver. Now we have Mr. Bonehead II and III (Charnley and McLaren).

  • 96 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:35 PM

    Tsunki
    If I may intercede

    and pour some finings into a murky brew.

    The loan debt is in the order of £139million
    To service that at a Bank would have cost roughly £5million pa

    It was seen by the powers that be as a fair trade-off 7 years ago , I do believe that time has moved on to favour Iron Mike and SD in this deal.

  • 97 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:37 PM

    That is an important factor Tsunki mate. 😆 We should put a GPS beacon in the opposition goal. Then with some high tech help we can find it during the matches. Possibly we should even have some of our players in the opponents box now and then.

  • 98 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:40 PM

    It would be lovely to see you outline why you think so Jib.
    I like finings, me.

  • 99 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:40 PM

    Bone of contention!!! Bone of contention!!! What is the club’s pinhead:intelligent employee ratio? Is it 5:1? 10:1? We need to know this!!!

  • 100 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:43 PM

    I see we have a new finiancial guru on the blog. It’s always a pleasure to gert some detailed information/ reasonings to explain the NUFC and SD finances from an expert. I do think we do not know all the implications of the relationship between NUFC/SD/Mr Tubbs.
    No is the time to ask our new blog expert :-

    Jib you posted earlier :-
    “It was seen by the powers that be as a fair trade-off 7 years ago , I do believe that time has moved on to favour Iron Mike and SD in this deal.”

    Who are the powers that be and how was the trade off fair – please give details?

  • 101 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:46 PM

    I see B&B has beaten me to enquire further of our new financial guru. (Jib Jibberish -the blog pest).

  • 102 AncientC // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:46 PM

    Jack Root, perhaps you could state your case and point out where I was wrong. Or would that be too difficult for you?

  • 103 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:47 PM

    Tuff

    He isn’t saying the trade off was fair….just that it was seem as fair by the powers that be.
    The same loan figure, undiminished, is still being described as a fair trade off now, seven years later.

  • 104 Jack Root // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:49 PM

    Working in the industry sunshine.

  • 105 optimistic prime // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:49 PM

    I reckon our fairy godmother will let us off with the loan.

    He’s gave his employees a raise so must be feeling generous.

  • 106 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:51 PM

    HELLO OUT THERE IN THE BLOGOSPHERE.

    HELLO HELLO ARE THERE ANY KING PERCY SUPPORTERS OUT THERE.

    Well after the Palace trouncing today I’m really not surprised the pro Percy Brigade have gone a little bit quiet in heralding the qualities of their hero.

  • 107 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:52 PM

    OP

    That single loan will be, and is being, used as the justification for free advertising and it’s attendant benefits in perpetuity. As Jib hints, the deal gets better for SD with every passing year.

  • 108 AncientC // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:53 PM

    The free advertising that SD receives could be worth as much as 5% of their net profit. I am assuming 5% gained/lost on a net profit, for the foreseeable future would have zero impact on share prices?

  • 109 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:55 PM

    B&B – I would really like to learn more about this deal – I’m really getting excited that our new blog expert will explain the finer points. This is really exciting – the murky arrangements revealed at last by our very own Jib Jibberish.
    I am bound to state is there no subject this man is not an expert in!

  • 110 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:55 PM

    Until we get relegated that is. Then the ship hits the fan. Ashley has a big pout and goes off to re-think his role in all this. Of course none of it is his fault if you ask him. He has delivered top flight entertainment to us for years apparently.

  • 111 Munster Mag // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:55 PM

    B and B, you do as you like my dear, I’ll use “low hanging fruit” liberally. I like it. Superior intellect ? Nope , but that are some fairly dimwitted blokes on here who scream a lot of abuse and deserve little respect. Fickle? I think Rotunda thinks I’m fickle because he stupidly thinks I like Pardew and loved him and then hated him . Or something. I gave Pardew praise during the good times and grief when we were losing to Brighton etc. That seems fair enough to me. I still consider him an average manager, possibly better than that because he is improving I think. We dont have to stick to one position rigidly over time anyway. That would be stupid. Oh, wait. Even one of the journos had a piece in the Mirror ( I think ) today, asking why he wasnt being considered by Man U, Chelsea etc. Daft journalism, but shows how his reputation has improved. Oh no, that might cue an attack about eel loving from Low Hanging Fruit Tuffie.

  • 112 AncientC // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:56 PM

    “Working in the industry sunshine.” Jack Root, what a pity that you seem to be having a difficult time demonstrating it.

  • 113 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:57 PM

    An 18th place club is what we are. There is no way to argue around, under, or over that. We are dead poor. We remain dead poor now past the halfway mark. With the type of leadership available we will be dead poor in the future. That is the Ashley legacy to the club.

  • 114 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:58 PM

    Tuff,

    It’s all on the record. No speculation involved.

  • 115 Munster Mag // Jan 3, 2016 at 5:59 PM

    Ah Tuff, I didnt see your post. How did Palace do today? Last time I was near a TV it was 0-3. Either way, he’s still a mid table manager. In my opinion anyway, and I would suggest, in the opinion of the vast majority. Didnt Palace have less points that Sunderland when he took over and they ended up mid table? Wouldnt Sunderland like that now!

  • 116 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:00 PM

    Tuff

    Just for you….amazing fans though, deserve a bit of success.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYEM2nXSzCA

  • 117 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:01 PM

    Tuff

    Also Palace were missing Bolasie and Cabaye, they have a fairly weak squad so without two key players they will struggle against Chelsea.

    I’d still swap their league place and what they get to watch for our shower of rubbish.

    Not saying I want Pards back like. Just somebody Pardew than a manager who couldn’t lace his boots.

  • 118 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:01 PM

    Like Jack Root I realised things financial were not AncientC’s métier.

    However his comments revealed such a fundamental ignorance I decided to pass no comment and to merely raise my eyebrows and sigh deeply.

    I think my decision was right.

  • 119 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:02 PM

    Made no sense there, meant Steve McClaren isn’t half the manager that Pardew is in my opinion.

  • 120 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:05 PM

    The owner’s internal financial matters will never be completely available. He likes it that way. He is an utter incompetent as a football owner. That’s all we really need to know. Repeat after me Ashley: “We’re in 18th place after 20 matches and I’m a hopeless owner.”

  • 121 cyprus // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:05 PM

    Surely there’s a good accounting blog on the net?

    What did spurs do to quieten a talented Everton? Full pressure on the ball when they lost it. Man u used to do that almost maniacally and look where that got them. Steve have a look man.

  • 122 Jack Root // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:05 PM

    Season 2011-12 Pardew led Newcastle to their best start to a Premier League campaign in 17 years, with an unbeaten run of eleven matches in all competitions.
    In January 2012, Pardew signed Papiss Cissé. This was a key signing in the resurgence of Newcastle, as he scored 13 goals in 12 games.
    Most significantly prior to the final match of the season, Pardew won the Premier League Manager of the Season award, becoming the first Newcastle United manager to achieve this. He was given the award after an impressive season with Newcastle where he guided them to a European place. He also won the League Managers Association Manager of the Year award, which made him the first and only English manager to win the two individual awards in a Premier League season.
    Thereafter Mike Ashley not having football knowledge thought it was job done and didn’t finance necessary signings going forward.

  • 123 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:06 PM

    I agree with Jack Root. You can read brokers’ and analysts’ reports on companies as large as SD. It will set out a whole range of factors, negative and positive, but something as small as free advertising at SJP wouldn’t figure. Anyone can look at brokers’ analyses of SD now. You won’t find mention. It’s piffling.

  • 124 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:06 PM

    TS…i said when we appointed McClaren that he was the same as Pardew. I got so many people on my back for that comment…

    …maybe they thought I wad being a bit unfair to Pardew as well 😉

  • 125 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:07 PM

    Jesper

    I thought McClaren would be better from his time in Holland and Germany, he might have learned something and was just a bit unfortunate at derby.

    I was wrong.

  • 126 Ravostag // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:08 PM

    Its a no brainer get him back what can we lose can he shoot? If he can thats an improvement on what we have

  • 127 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:09 PM

    Never fails – manged to “winkle” out a couple of King Percy supporters on a lazy Sunday afternoon.

    They usually post along the lines of -I never really liked Percy —BUT……….blah blah blah.

    Always gives me some entertainement when not much else is happening.

  • 128 Jack Root // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:10 PM

    Ancient
    My bills in the post sunshine.

  • 129 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:10 PM

    I don’t know a great deal about the workings of big business but the fact they will pay millions a season to be advertised on premier league billboards means there must be something in it.

    Regardless of the benefits to SD that advertising should be sold to make money for the club. It only benefits SD and not us.

    If it was instead of interest payments on the loan from Ashley, fair enough, but at least we should be paying off the loan so that eventually the advertising will be able to be sold again instead of used permanently by him.

    I don’t care about the exact value of it, just the principle involved.

  • 130 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:12 PM

    Tuff

    Not a supporter at all, called for his head when he was here and wouldn’t want the bloke back.

  • 131 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:13 PM

    I’d have Armstrong back for the second half of the season unless we buy another striker.

    We have Toney in the bench, he will surely offer more than him. Also he’s had a good 4/5 months playing regular, even if he didn’t get much game time he could go out on loan again next year when we have time to buy another forward in the summer.

  • 132 toon kk // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:14 PM

    Last time we were relegated I was gutted, if we go down come the end of this season I would be disappointed but I will accept it, what’s the point in playing in a league we can’t compete in?
    The only person it will affect financially is MA, he will become a victim of his own flawed regime.
    Let’s hope he puts the club first in this transfer window.

  • 133 toon22 // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:14 PM

    So if we go down it hits MA
    He will lose a very large chunk of TV money
    His tatty adverts will suffer
    The clubs net worth drops
    He might even have to double that loan he never intends to repay himself.

    Lets hope he gets dragged into the whole flouting UK laws and has the FA kick him from the club on fit and propper rule.

  • 134 Jack Root // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:14 PM

    Can you imagine Pochettino managing us. It would have to be under a new owner. He’s terrific at encouraging and developing young players. I can see Spurs being a major force over the next few seasons.

  • 135 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:15 PM

    Transfer – why are you promoting Palace fans videos on a Toon blog.
    Oh – -don’t bother answering I think the reasons are apparent – do you post as Transfer Eagle on their main blog.

  • 136 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:15 PM

    If it’s is such a small amount it wouldn’t figure, how come you know it’s£5m, then, Blackley?

    No straw man attacks, just a simple explanation of how you reconcile the two conflicting premisses you have advanced.

    Even if I concede just £5m, it surelythe relevant point isn’t what £5m means to SD, but what £5m a YEAR would mean to the club?
    .

  • 137 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:17 PM

    Bea it starts at 19.30!

  • 138 toon22 // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:18 PM

    You only have to read the lurid details in the papers about SD to find out exactly how the club is currently run.
    Hope fatso loses his shirt with us.

  • 139 Tsunki // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:18 PM

    Jeff – digression at the prospect of dealing a death blow? I saw an article about a tiger that’s now besties with one of his meals today. Interesting

    Anyway, regarding the assessment of the £5m interest offset for advertising, I can’t be bothered to question that, but whatever maths were used to arrive at that value, they must surely be redundant now. The very mechanism that has allowed the TV bids to rise exponentially should realistically be applied to ad revenue demanded by the club. it’s baffling how we have surrendered this revenue stream as hostage to what seems now to be a relatively petty loan, given that said loan could have been easily paid for some time ago by that revenue. Actually no, it’s not baffling. Just angering.

  • 140 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:21 PM

    I do believe that some fans would rather the club pay Ashley remuneration, dividends and loan interest at a commercial rate if it meant SD paid for advertising – even if the former was far more than the latter. It makes no sense. There’s plenty of legitimate shit to throw at Ashley without carping about such a trifling matter.

  • 141 toon22 // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:21 PM

    Owned by a fat greedy get who loves doing people/companys over.

    Where is his karma coming from???

  • 142 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:22 PM

    Ashley is nobodies fool
    Lending rates at the time of the soft loan were 4.5 over bankrate.
    Since then not only have lending rates fallen but bankrate has been 0.05% for about 5 years now

  • 143 toon22 // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:22 PM

    Blackey as ive said before,exactly how much is the current rate for a payed shill??

    Are to be happy about MA screwing over the club to his own benefit ?

  • 144 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:23 PM

    The best bit of the Wile E Coyote analogy was that Chuck Jones made a golden rule that the coyote must never, ever, be harmed by any agency other than its own utter fatuousness.
    I stick firmly to that rule with you.

  • 145 toon22 // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:24 PM

    MA has been a blight on our club,history will/has shown that.

  • 146 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:25 PM

    The club itself argued last year that the loss of advertising revenue affected its ability to compete in the transfer market and on wages, as the reduced income, it said, affected its FFP metric.

  • 147 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:27 PM

    BandB
    £5m is just my conservative guess at a top end figure. Look at the shirt deals. Wonga is on the shirts and so arguably more visible around the world. People wear them all over the world too. What have the shirt deals been worth over the years? From S & N onwards? Nothing major but I’m sure Jib can put us right.

  • 148 Tsunki // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:27 PM

    Ah so if the advertising fees are piffling, then it’s not worth anything to SD? In other words, the less they are mentioned in SD accounts, the more insignificant their worth? This is an education.

  • 149 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:30 PM

    Tuff

    Couldn’t tell you the name of palace blog never mind be a member.

    Was just something I was talking to a mate about today, love the atmosphere at their’s and Leicester’s grounds, bit of a throwback. Thought I’d share it and seeing as I know you hate pardew (or at least the constant chat about him here) thought you’d appreciate it, just a bit of tongue in cheek.

  • 150 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:31 PM

    The bottom line is.

    You can kick and scream as much as you like.

    But Ashley paid the going price at the time.

    He owns the club , lock stock and every blade of grass.

    His attitude from his treatment by various factions within and without the club is ——like it , or lump it , or do one , frankly my dear ——–

  • 151 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:33 PM

    The point surely, Blackley, is that Ashley has secured financial benefits for himself from the club in perpetuity against a loan debt which he owes himself and can reclaim at any time.

  • 152 beefman13 // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:33 PM

    Ancient C it’s deplorable how Mike pays sweet f all for advertising, that shows for sure how important SD is to him, and how we are just a side issue, he said we were two separate entaties yet he is depriving NUFC of valuable income,l.

    My views have defo watered down, if it’s good for SD Mike that should not be the issue, we need to be treated equally capiche!!!!

  • 153 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:34 PM

    Blackley

    As I say, I don’t mind him getting the advertising as interest providing the loan is reducing to take us out of debt. With a typical bank loan we’d be paying interest but the loan value would be decreasing so eventually it’s gone….there is no end in sight with this.

    Jack Root

    Pochetino does so well in trusting young players and giving them a chance at the right time. Deli Alli is a good player but he is benefiting from a good coach playing him in the right position and being a member of a strong team, meaning he can play his natural game.

  • 154 Munster Mag // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:35 PM

    Transfer, I agree re SMC being a disappointment. My best mate is a forest fan and he didnt think it was a great appointment by NUFC either. Tuff, it would also be entertaining if the Pardew Obsessive Hate Mob would make comments when Palace beat Chelsea and go 5th etc. Bit of balance is useful now and again, but not sure it enters your vernacular. Remember, all I said was that he’s average. Just not terrible. Hey didnt Catchy say that Ole Gunnar would be better, and then he got a job in England….and guess where that ended up ! 🙂

  • 155 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:36 PM

    The problem with the club is not lack of money. We have plenty of that. We brought in 128M or so the season before last. The problem we have is incompetence from the owner on down. More money won’t fix that. Only getting rid of him could fix the problem. But that means caring enough about the club to stop going to home games until he’s gone. The impact of an empty stadium would be far more than just the loss of the attendance revenue. It would be broadcast right round the world. Ashley would be humiliated. And since he has the emotional maturity of a five year old he would not be able to handle it. If he doesn’t leave, the club has no future. Simple as that.

  • 156 hibbitt // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:36 PM

    i have no idea how much ashley should be paying but someone l know has 8 x 10ftx2ft ad boards for his carpet business any one who goes to the ground will have seen them 2 on each stand not pitch side this costs him £16000+vat a season he seems to think its worth the expense

  • 157 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:37 PM

    And don’t you just love it, Jib.
    Clever, clever Mr Ashley, hero of misanthropes everywhere.

  • 158 Jack Root // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:38 PM

    He who pays the piper calls the tune.

  • 159 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:41 PM

    Toon22
    You make no argument by calling folk names. It just shows you haven’t got an argument to make. All it says is “I hate Ashley and I will throw the kitchen sink at him. Anything and everything whether it’s realistic or not.” How does that help your case? It undermines it.

  • 160 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:42 PM

    See how quickly the argument has switched from “this is hardly worth bothering our heads about” to “he’s got you nasty little no-account people by the short and curly’s and there’s nowt you can do about it, ha ha ha.”

  • 161 Jack Root // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:42 PM

    Transfer
    You can see a plan and purpose in everything he says and does. I would prefer an up and coming to a has been anytime. The young managers can gain experience and learn quickly.

  • 162 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:43 PM

    Transfer
    When you only pay interest, your loan never reduces.

  • 163 Jack Root // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:45 PM

    Maybe you should look at the bigger picture. Open hostility leads also to a lack of o-operation on a number of fronts.

  • 164 beefman13 // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:46 PM

    Jack Root I fully understand the man with all the cards holds the aces, but MA stated we were totally seperate from SD yet he is taking potential profits and income from one to feed to another, that was pure 100 per cent lies, made mugs out of all us fans and more so out of the beefman who had stuck up for him numerous times.

  • 165 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:47 PM

    Have a word with yourselves, “Jack”.

  • 166 Transfer Sage // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:48 PM

    Blackley

    Very true….but that wasn’t what was in place prior to him changing the loan over to himself.

    The club were paying off the debt owed. Regardless of what else was happening in terms of how well we were ran.

    Now there is no plan, we just purely pay the interest and nothing more. Wonder if the figures add up.

    I have no idea and it’s not the main issue I have with Ashley, just add more fuel to the fire.

  • 167 Jack Root // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:48 PM

    Beef
    Aren’t you the bloke who used to go on about Shane Ferguson being the next Ashley Cole?

  • 168 scout // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:50 PM

    If anyone from the club reads this there is a man at Worthing fc who goes by the name Jon Meeney who is a breath of fresh air his motivational skills and all round man management is out of this world.
    He’s a 25 years old manager and will hit the big time, I’m willing to stake everything I own on that.

  • 169 Jack Root // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:51 PM

    Blackley
    But the value of the asset can increase in value. Particularly in house/ major tagged scenario.

  • 170 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:51 PM

    Jack

    Aren’t you supposed to be a brand new poster?
    You’d need to have been some kind of “long-time reader” to remember Beef’s old stance.
    And then there’s that question of having exactly the same online footprint as Sack Llambias that MacToon raised.

  • 171 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:54 PM

    BandB @151
    You’ve lost me. You say, “Ashley has secured financial benefits for himself from the club in perpetuity against a loan debt which he owes himself and can reclaim at any time.”

    The club has had a debt for many years that it had to service at a commercial rate. Companies use borrowings for the good of the business. Ashley hasn’t had the club pay any interest as far as I’m aware, (although things might have changed lately?). That is a financial detriment to his personal money but a finacial advantage to the club. The same is the case to the extent that he doesn’t take remuneration or dividends. The club is not bound in perpeyuity to any free advertising arrangement with SD. Unless you know something I don’t.

  • 172 Jack Root // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:57 PM

    Your one of those weird types. Hail was right about those phobia driven types . Let’s just ignore one another you don’t seem to contribute much on the football front so it’ll be easy.
    I have read the blog for years for your information and your high maintenance as I recall.

  • 173 croftus5678 // Jan 3, 2016 at 6:59 PM

    imo we need to give

    goofy/williamson/saylor/good/marv/fergie/bigi/vukic/sammy/ober away to gateshead free of charge.

    give river another chance as he has pace and strength and you never know.

    then sign enrique back who’s free / austin /shelvey and redmond.

  • 174 Jack Root // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:00 PM

    Who’s this mar toon anyway that I need to concern myself about on a football blog?

  • 175 toon kk // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:11 PM

    Fans must also take their share of responsibility for the failure of our club, they’ve happily payed to watch dross for a long time. MA has run the club to make money, what’s the fans excuse?

  • 176 Tsunki // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:13 PM

    Lame sack. Now he’s Jack Shoot. Figures.

    So, this “loan” that has no term could feasibly be paid back if the lucrative worldwide TV advertising was tendered out to anyone willing to globalise their brand (or consolidate it) and pay the necessary for the privilege. Wouldn’t that be better than being held at bay by that loan indefinitely? It seems this loan doesn’t come as cheap as Mike pitched it after all. it’s almost as if he’s cunningly cornered a very lucrative income stream and piped it right through nufc and out the other end. Allegedly.

  • 177 croftus5678 // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:16 PM

    @171 blackley

    i think your getting in a muddle buddy.

    the club owes ashley nothing ! its his club and all its debts are his ! its like saying right i’ll pay my mortgage off but the house owes me !!!

    he paid x amount for the club inc its debt which i dont believe he missed as it has to legally be enclosed so he no doubt got the club at a discount due to its debt.

    if he infact paid its debt off “for the good of the club” then we would be gaining advertisement money but we are not !

    so now he “ashley” is not paying intrest and has only shifted an amount of money for any new potential buyer as a debt to himself but is also taking the rights to advertisement for himself ( in other words he can take those funds out of the club that he would be paying for without the fans questioning that he has taken anything out of the club like he has claimed he has not).

    and do not be conned into thinking he does not take a wage ect as anyone who has been a manager in their job roles in the past or present knows that expenses for pretty much anything personal can be put onto the business account inc cars/holidays/meals/clothes ect ect.

  • 178 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:16 PM

    Jack

    I imagine you and Hail are pretty literally of one mind.
    A rather tiny one.

  • 179 toonking // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:18 PM

    3 trolls is bad enough but now we seem to have 4.

    everybody meet mister tuff or in other words the wind up machine. All he ever talks about is the war about pro an anti pardew, even jib and welsh can have a more wider amount of chat than this guy you could say only the toonbrother is worse.

  • 180 Tsunki // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:20 PM

    Any moment now we will get the “Mike didn’t know that he was buying a club in debt” thing. 🙂 you know, the billionaire businessman who didn’t get the idea of due diligence. Always a chuckle fest that.

  • 181 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:21 PM

    Jib Jibberish – still waiting for your financial reply – must be long and very comprehensive methinks – can’t wait.

  • 182 beefman13 // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:23 PM

    Root, point taken, but he’s going to the Euros as a very important part of Michael Oneill’s Northern Ireland team.got heaps of potential. Don’t think he did that much wrong for us but fair play he didn’t put himself to the fore, I was as dissappointed as any, fab in training and under 21’s, up to now he hasn’t stepped up, still got a bit of faith in him. Hopefully a late blossom job.

  • 183 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:24 PM

    Well cheer up lads. There are 2 matches in the next 10 that I can see us getting wins from. That’s 6 points!!!

  • 184 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:24 PM

    munster

    with respect, something you don’t choose to afford others, your obsession with still talking up pardew long after his departure is bordering on creepy and makes me and possibly others feel really uncomfortable.

  • 185 beefman13 // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:25 PM

    Root, what was your previous nickname on the blog?

  • 186 Graeme // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:25 PM

    Blackley, but the club has no debt in the first place – other than that which Mr Ashley decided to lumber us with, due to his failure to do due diligence.
    He bought the club, good and bad – what debt he believes we should carry is his choice, but it is owed to himself, by one of his 100% owned entities. It’s simply “Paper debt” created to give him leverage.

  • 187 toon22 // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:25 PM

    I seem to rememmber how the club was suposed to be on a sound financial footing now MA has sorted it all out.
    But it seems we have a huge debt to someone who will never allow it to be payed,meaning we cant raise revinue through advertising.
    And thats just what we know about,it would seem we are far from any kind of stability other than being sucked dry.

    Do you think anyone will be sold this Jan?
    Or are profits up enough to be able to hang onto people ??

  • 188 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:25 PM

    Due diligence….Hmmm. Is that something poor people do Tsunki mate? Surely Mike didn’t need to do any due diligence. He knew he was going to turn us into the next Arsenal right from the start….

  • 189 Tsunki // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:26 PM

    A more wider amount of chat? A much more widerer amount of chat perhaps. A lot much more bettererer it would be to attack someone’s prowess in discussion by being coherent. Er.

  • 190 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:27 PM

    Remember how Mike used to say how much he admired Arsenal? And by jingo look at us now. The spitting image of them!!! An amazing transformation Mike. Tell us how you did it again please.

  • 191 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:27 PM

    Somebody posted on here last week or the week before that if Mr Tubbs sells -he’ll have every financial base covered and we’ll end up still paying him even after he’s gone.
    Bottom line is – as I keep on saying – none of us know exactly the financial relationships between NUFC/SD/ Mr Tubbs.
    When you think that Rangers shirt sales only result in 5% going to the club and Tubbs pocketting the remaining 95% – makes me want to know what the exact position is at NUFC.
    I’ve no doubt he’ll peck out our eyeballs and come back for more.

  • 192 toon22 // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:28 PM

    The worst thing about MA is he is obviously useless at running a sporting buisness.

    Simple as that,so he reverted into whats made him money.
    Hence the possition we are in.

  • 193 toon22 // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:30 PM

    MA might think he will take out our eyes but hopefully he will meet a bigger fish.

  • 194 Tsunki // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:33 PM

    There it is. Right on cue ha ha.

  • 195 Rotonda heights // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:35 PM

    munster

    ”The smarter guys understand my point of view.”

    pretentious t–t or what.

  • 196 croftus5678 // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:37 PM

    this may be a silly idea but does anyone know if sissoko can play on the left seeing as thauvin imo did great on the right and everythingwedo seems tobe right sided atm ?

  • 197 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:38 PM

    I’ll continue to watch the disaster that is Newcastle United but it’s a nothing short of a disgrace. Hide your head in shame Ashley.

  • 198 lesh // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:40 PM

    Croftus

    As a Limited company, the Club is a corporate entity and it is the corporate that’s carrying a debt owed to Ashley (the individual) or MASH Holdings or some other such entity.

  • 199 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:42 PM

    Mike Ashley has truly saved us from mediocrity….By making us much worse. Thanks be to you Mike!!!

  • 200 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:45 PM

    toolking – shut it. You are not exactly poster of the year. You align yourself to Jib Jibberish and the Fool from the Valley – that is enough to gauge your credibility or more succintll your lack of credibility.

    I will repeat what another poster told you to do several weeks ago – get yourself onto the Palace blog – you can then talk about your hero King Percy all you want – they’ll lap it up.
    How did he do today by the way.

  • 201 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:51 PM

    All these different hats people wear Crofts, and the labels on them.
    Like the lease on the land at the Gallowgate End, once held by Newcastle United, but now held by Mash Holdings.
    Mugs might think that looks like the straight naked transfer of that potentially lucrative asset from corporate to private lease holding.
    But once you realise it’s just that nice Mr Ashley having one of his harmless accounting pranks, you’ll realise there’s nothing to see here.

  • 202 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:52 PM

    Let’s see now…..Arsenal 13 wins from 20, Newcastle 4 wins. Yes I can see how much we resemble them now!! 😈

  • 203 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:57 PM

    Arsene Wenger winning percentage with Arsenal: 57.63. Our last 2 head coaches wining percentage: Johnny C.: 15%. Wally: 20%. Yes I can see the similarity there as well!!!!

  • 204 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:58 PM

    Mike Ashley. Club builder. Owner extraordinaire. Hats off lads!

  • 205 croftus5678 // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:58 PM

    @201 bandb

    agree

  • 206 Tsunki // Jan 3, 2016 at 7:59 PM

    That’s my point. Apparently the financially savvy posters espouse the smoke and mirrors accounting methods used to obscure the true movement of the money train as it fails to stop at the Barrack Road Station on it’s way to SD Central. If only we could see this bigger picture, but of course as mere mortals we lack the perception.

  • 207 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 8:01 PM

    The cash-strapped council is considering switching the lease to a freeholding too, Croftus, at a knock down price.
    Now that’s what I call making your own luck!

  • 208 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 8:01 PM

    SuperSissy can do anything croftus mate. Playing on the left would be easy for him. He could cut inside to his right foot just as easily as Wij and probably better than Santone used to!

  • 209 GeordieTwo // Jan 3, 2016 at 8:04 PM

    You lot clearly aren’t clever enough (and I include myself) to see Mike’s Master Plan here. You know the one that gets us to some silverware? You know, the one Mike chatted to us about last summer? I mean really mates how can you be so impatient? The Holy Grail is clearly within sight now. Just stay patient for another 8 or 9 years with Mike…. I know I’m excited by that prospect…..

  • 210 welshgeordie9 // Jan 3, 2016 at 8:24 PM

    Mrs Tuff, you’ve got to laugh, having a go at toonking because he like others keep on about Mr P down at selhurst park, our ex hero and there’s you constantly banging on about Ashley and co.

    I’m mean you couldn’t make it up

    Ha ha ha

    Comedy Gold at its best.

  • 211 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 8:25 PM

    Graeme @186
    Not sure I get you. The club always had debt. Most clubs do. Ashley didn’t do due diligence but that only affected Ashley not the club. The previous owners could have told him about it but didn’t, although it was a a hostile takeover as far as FFS was concerned. Ashley might have negotiated s better deal had he known the full extrnt of thr vlubs debt.

    Just because Ashley discovered debt on player transfers outstanding, it does not mean the club didn’t have the debt. It just wasn’t obvious to you, me, Ashley or anyone else except the iwners snd their advisers. On discovering the debt and finding out that the club had to repay its known borrowings to the bank, Ashley wrote a massive cheque to the club and the club gave an IOU. The club was actually financially better off. That is the logic of the facts as presented in the press. There is a misconception that because Ashley didn’t do due diligence the club is worse off. As a result of the arrangements he put in place, the opposite is true.

  • 212 welshgeordie9 // Jan 3, 2016 at 8:27 PM

    And before you start with what happend today so they lost big deal, stats show apart Spurs they have got a best defence in the league, it’s a pity he didn’t have the backing to get the players he wanted when he was here.

  • 213 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 8:28 PM

    Blackley

    You are struggling to “get” people tonight.
    It’s that old “come again, pal?” routine the preening arse at end of the bar always thinks is so effective, isn’t it?

  • 214 Mister Tuff // Jan 3, 2016 at 8:43 PM

    Fool from the Valley – the one time King Percy got his mitts on the cheque book -what was the result………………………………………………………………-bloody Obertron.
    A fine player -with a nose to score incredible goals – magnificent tackler and absolutely wonderful header of the ball – got stuck in to 50/50 challenges – no fear in putting the head in.
    You probably think the above is true/accurate – in the meantime – Hoy fool – get back under the bridge.

  • 215 sparky55 // Jan 3, 2016 at 8:44 PM

    The very ill-conceived retail orientated concept of buying cheap from Europe in the hope of selling high is the reason we are where we are.

    Had the club not made a fortune on Cabaye they may have given up on this very floored strategy because every other player they’ve tried to buy cheap to sell high has just rotted on the bench or in the reserves….and even most of our expensive signings have rotted on the bench because Pardew wasn’t happy with what Carr was buying without his input and he just wouldn’t play them…another example of how this strategy policy was never going to work.

    As a result of buying loads of cheap imports whose value has actually depreciated rather than gone up in value we now have a team full of useless foreign imports and there is no real premiership experience anywhere in the team. We have never bought anyone to plug a gap or to play a certain role or to play the same role they used to play in their previous club…we have just bought cheap without giving any due consideration as to where they will play in the team and taking into consideration whether or not they will improve the team.

    The new Sky deal was announced a year ago…the club at that point were safely mid-table and probably thought no more investment was required but had the management of this club actually grasped and appreciated the scale of new Sky deal they would have ditched this stupid “buy it cheap sell it high” philosophy with immediate effect and changed it to buy experienced players to keep us in the league for years to come.

    They should have scrapped the 27 year old rule, scrapped buying imports with no premiership experience and spent the money to make sure we have a strong back bone of premiership experienced players using the 90 million sky would be giving them each year to fund it.

    Instead we find ourselves relegation bound and 29 more days to save the future of this club because if we go down this time there’s no way we’ll come straight back up again.

    Our whole future is now in the hands of two of the most useless inbred people in the whole footballing world.

    Penfold and Maclaren.

    Penfold (God help us) negotiating the deals and then Maclaren coaching the squad…and we’ve already seen how useless he is at that.

    IMO even if Penfold pulls off the most amazing transfer window purchases we’re still fcuked because Maclaren is soooooo out of his depth it’s embarrassing.

    We’re here because the owner has no clue as how to run a football club and has no day to day involvement in running the club and he has employed people who have even less knowledge.

    You would think an absent owner would hire footballing people…but not ours…he’s employed his mates…people he trusts but people who have no idea.

    WHAT A FCUKING CLOWN

  • 216 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 8:45 PM

    BandB
    You take jibes at folks for the naffest things. When I don’t get it, I say so. It explains where I’m coming from. I don’t know why I become some guy at thr bar. You seem to have to read things into the undercurrents you continually perceive. You must torture yourself. Cut folk some slack, man. It would do you good.

  • 217 welshgeordie9 // Jan 3, 2016 at 8:49 PM

    1 signing big deal, where as at palace he’s got his own players that he wanted not the board and where are they now, top half playing brilliant football, apart from today of course, that’s what you get when you get backed by the owner.

  • 218 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 8:49 PM

    Croftus @177
    You’ve got that wrong. The club is a completely separate entity. My mobile is running out of battery. I’ll switch to my p.c.

  • 219 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 8:52 PM

    Blackley,

    But you DO get Graeme. And you got what I was saying too.
    You just disagree.
    If I disagree with you, I just say I disagree with you. As I did earlier. Like a big girl.
    I don’t try to infer the other person’s point is so risible as to require clarification.
    You do that by default. It is you at your smarmiest, and why no-one takes you seriously, even when you are making perfectly decent points.

  • 220 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:02 PM

    Sparky

    Why do you think it strengthens your argument to call people you clearly have problems with “inbred”.

    You say “we now have a team full of useless foreign imports”
    – no we don’t

    “Maclaren is soooooo out of his depth it’s embarrassing.”

    – no he’s not , did you see us against Arsenal yesterday?

    I could chop your whole rant to pieces but I’m getting bored now.

  • 221 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:12 PM

    BandB
    It is me simply saying I don’t get what you’re saying. It’s no more complicated than that. It’s straightforward. I’m open for someone to correct me at any time. I might even learn something.

  • 222 Graeme // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:14 PM

    Blackley @ 211
    Yes the club has always had debt – until Mike bought it from Shepard, Hall. He bought the whole shooting match, including its debts and assets.
    The debts are still his, always will be his, but he puts them down as Club Debt, then takes all the advertising income to pay a debt that is his in the first place.
    The assests are also his – and he’s cashing them in nicely!!

  • 223 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:19 PM

    Blackley,

    To be frank, I don’t need you, and there’s nothing in it for me talking to you.
    If you are as thoroughly pleased with your status as peripheral nuisance as you seem, keep on as you are.
    If not, cut the crap.

  • 224 toonking // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:22 PM

    tuff 200

    I’m a human not a pair of curtains so can’t shut up.

    the stuff you read is typed not spoken therefore it’s hand movement not speech

    anyhow he’s fcuking gone another puppet is in and we’re facing relegation which i’ll happily accept because that fat b@stard doesn’t give a sh1t just likes advertising and PL money so he’ll get what he deserves when we go down..

    I’ll challenge you.

    Once you accept the challenge who ever is the first to mention pardew in a post will have to donate £100 to the sir bobby robson charity.

    It can be said in any way what so ever so that means no king percy.

    i’ll give you until tomorrow night to confirm entry.

  • 225 DicBDownUnder // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:31 PM

    Surely this situation is a win win for NUFC?

    1. NUFC avoid relegation. We can then keep him here for next season or ship him out on loan to a championship/premier league club.

    2. NUFC take the drop, we have him back at the club, he gets championship experience whilst hopefully scoring us back to the premier league.

  • 226 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:31 PM

    Croftus
    You say the club owes Ashley nothing. You say it’s his club and all the debts are his.

    The club is a separate entity. It owes Ashley well over £100M. Instead of owing the bank as it did previously, the club owes Ashley. He could demand repayment of the loan at any time and the club would be up shit creek.

    I’m not saying Ashley wasn’t aware of the main loan that the club obtained through a securitisation arrangement. He was aware of it. The club got a loan from the bank to pay for the stadium. It got it on the strength of future gate receipts. As I recall, before the takeover, the club could not get much, if anything, in the way of further bank borrowings to buy new players. It was mortgaged to the hilt. The days of the big signings were over. Freddie had mortgaged the future to pay for the likes of Michael Owen.

    Ashley knew about the debt to the banks, but because he didn’t do due diligence, he didn’t realise it was repayable on demand on a change of ownership. But the club also had hidden debt on player transfers which was also a surprise to Ashley.

    You say don’t be conned that he does not take a wage or other stuff on the business account. But that’s not to say he does. Let’s deal in facts.

  • 227 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:36 PM

    BandB
    What’s with the silly names? Trying to put folk down? You only show you’ve got nothing to contribute. We’re talking about club finances. If you know nothing about it, say nothing.

  • 228 toonking // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:39 PM

    can’t bet said

  • 229 toonking // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:40 PM

    be

  • 230 toonking // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:41 PM

    tuff

    I’ll challenge you.

    Once you accept the challenge who ever is the first to mention pardew in a post will have to donate £100 to the sir bobby robson charity.

    It can’t be said in any way what so ever so that means no king percy.

    i’ll give you until tomorrow night to confirm entry.

  • 231 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:43 PM

    Graeme @222

    See my response to Croftus @226

    The debts aren’t his. The debts are the club’s. There is a hell of a difference. Ashley was fortunate that he had enough cash in his own bank to pay the club’s bank borrowings. He did that. The club then owed Ashley.
    The club benefited because it was paying commercial interest on its borrowings before the takeover, but paid no interest to Ashley afterwards. It still owed the same amount immediately after Ashley’s purchase as it did immediately before.

  • 232 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:55 PM

    Which silly names, Mr Blackley?
    Would you like to list them?
    Anyway, on the subject of contribution, look back over tonight’s blog.
    You’ll see how many words you’ve written, and presumably will continue to pour out until the early hours, while getting precisely nowhere.

  • 233 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:58 PM

    Tuff @ 191
    I find it hard to believe that Ashley will have us by the balls even after he sells up. Any buyer is going to want the various rights to income streams. I can’t see anyone buying the club without them. Who would pay a fortune for the club just to have Ashley exploiting many of its assets? It’s conceivable that they could strike a deal with Ashley that is good both for the club and for Ashley/SD.

  • 234 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 10:05 PM

    BandB @232
    Which silly names, you ask? Just going back to your previous three posts to me, I find:

    “peripheral nuisance”
    “you at your smarmiest”
    “the preening arse at end of the bar”

    Clearly, when you resort to silly names, you have nothing to contribute.

    I can only think you are upset because I disagreed with you that Perez’s pass was at fault, opining instead that Gini took a poor first touch. It’s only my opinion.

  • 235 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 10:15 PM

    Blackly,

    Oh!
    Those names.
    Sue me. I’ll claim justification and win.
    They sum you up perfectly.
    Again, on the subject of my contribution.
    You stop posting for a week. See who asks where you’ve gone.
    Then don’t post until someone does.
    You’ll have to make someone up.
    Nighty night Old Blackley.

  • 236 Our Toon // Jan 3, 2016 at 10:15 PM

    Not to piss on Blackley parade but deloitte claim advertising brings in 15m yo 20m a season…..5m for the likes of Bournemouth etc

  • 237 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 10:27 PM

    Our Toon
    Aye now it does !
    If you’d followed closer , 7 years ago £5 million was about right.
    I think the chubby fox ( great name for a sports brand ) knew fine well what he was doing

  • 238 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 10:28 PM

    I wear my chubby fox outfit while riding my muddy fox.

  • 239 Jib // Jan 3, 2016 at 10:30 PM

    Mike Ashley

    Ha ha ha

  • 240 croftus5678 // Jan 3, 2016 at 10:37 PM

    @226 blackley

    if ashley demanded the money back from nufc who would he demand it off ? who would authorise it ?

    no matter how many names or departments he calls things its still ashley !

    if our club still had debt and the bank decided to withdraw the loan and claim the money back who would they claim the money off ?….the owner of the club as all the clubs rights and assets would be taken.

  • 241 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 10:38 PM

    Our Toon

    It’s not pissing on my parade at all. The more information the better. Have you got a link?

  • 242 angelswithdirtyfaces // Jan 3, 2016 at 10:39 PM

    Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 9:31 PM
    Croftus
    You say the club owes Ashley nothing. You say it’s his club and all the debts are his.
    The club is a separate entity. It owes Ashley well over £100M.

    BandB
    So Ashley (the NUFC owner) owes himself (as the owner of a separate company) £138m (or thereabouts).

    What exactly is your point ? His left hand owes his right hand.

    In the space between there is much advertising sleight of hand and tax liabilities to be written off.

    We have had this debate endlessly over the years with no light being generated but much heat.

  • 243 lesh // Jan 3, 2016 at 10:48 PM

    Our Toon

    Don’t get carried away over the advertising.

    I think that Deloittes are saying that given the Club’s Prem status, that any advertising could be worth £15m to the Club in an open market.

    Unfortunately, Ashley’s closed the market off to potential advertisers and hence denied the Club of a possible £15m a year revenue.

    Now were Ashley to drive the Club to its full potential to ECL etc, marketing revenue could be much greater.

    Ask yourself why the likes of Citeh, ManU, Chelsea and others have the names of the big international brands behind them. If SD wanted to use those those clubs as its marketing medium, it couldn’t afford to pay for its logo on their players jockstraps!

    He’s got the Club by the bollocks!

  • 244 BandB // Jan 3, 2016 at 10:49 PM

    Angels

    The loan is the justification for the free advertising. Explanation offered by the club.
    The problems competing in the transfer market are exacerbated by the loss of income from advertising. Explanation offered by the club.
    There’s only heat and no light when folks would rather have a snipe than be arsed to dig out and read what’s on the written record.

  • 245 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 10:50 PM

    Croftus
    If Ashley demanded his own money back from NUFC, he would either be pulling the plug on the club (so it would have to be liquidated) or arranging third party finance for it.

    If the club still had debt to a bank and the bank called in the debt, the bank would demand it from the club. If the club could not sell enough assets to repay the debt, that would be the end of the club unless Ashley decided to step in, which he doesn’t have to.

    Ashley would only have to pay off the debt if he had initially given a personal guarantee to the bank to secure the loan.

    I’m not sure what your point is? Without Ashley’s backing the club might well have gone to the wall some time ago. Of course, nobody knows for sure where the club would be. You either believe it was mortgaged to the hilt under Freddie Shepherd (who was taking money out not putting it in) or you don’t. If it was, the outlook wasn’t promising.

  • 246 Our Toon // Jan 3, 2016 at 11:00 PM

    Blackley

    I don’t have a link but the information is freely available, alternatively you could look at the accounting for clubs with smaller stadiums and less marketable than ours and get your answers from there.

    Can’t remember when I last checked details for our accounts but Ashley miss management cost him and us an extra 40m which was added to the debt. Add to that he didn’t do his due diligence which cost us and him a further 20m.

    The loans we had were due to be paid off in full in 2013/14 season.

  • 247 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 11:02 PM

    If a third party benefactor gave you an interest free loan of £130M when you might be paying, for the sake of simplicity, 10% a year, could you use that £13m a year saving in your business to good effect? My sole point is that Ashley’s detractors want to hammer him for the free advertising but give no credit for the interest free loan.

    Also, the club was paying hefty remuneration to the previous directors and dividends to its shareholders from the clubs profits. I’m not aware that Ashley is bleeding the club like that but I’m always open to any information.

  • 248 Our Toon // Jan 3, 2016 at 11:06 PM

    Mike Ashley wouldn’t demand his money back it’s a daft suggestion, the only time he would do so is when he sells, any demands prior to that wouldn’t be met as the club wouldn’t have enough assets to pay him back. Add to that he’ll put himself out of pocket and SD would also be hit by such a move.

    Come back to reality mate you are starting to sound like a fella named toon darn sarf

  • 249 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 11:06 PM

    Our Toon
    Nobody has produced figures. They might say they’re out there but they can’t provide a link.

    How did Ashley’s lack of due diligence cost the club a further £20m? This is the important as it is what gets thrown at him time and again that his lack of due diligence cost the club a fortune. It is why I draw the distinction between the club and Ashley, making the point that they are separate entities.

  • 250 croftus5678 // Jan 3, 2016 at 11:08 PM

    @245 blackley

    you’ve well and truely thrown me now !!!

    are you trying to say that he would claim the money back from nufc (saying that its not his or his money thats invested into nufc) and losing out on the x amount the club is worth in order to put it into liquidation ?

    i dont know how to put it as simply as possible now as i’m running out of ideas lol.

    club inc assets worth for example £300mil
    debt club has example £100mil
    total for a buyer to buy is either £300mil +100mil debt or £400mil either or either wether he paid it off or not.

    are you saying he can claim the £100mil debt from the club meaning he has only paid £200mil for the club and take all the advertisement for however long he has the illusion that the club owes him 100mil !

    does this seem right to you ?

  • 251 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 11:08 PM

    Our Toon
    Who is saying Ashley would demand his money back?

  • 252 Our Toon // Jan 3, 2016 at 11:11 PM

    Blackley

    You are trying to discuss a topic on which you’ve not researched mate, I’m more than happy to go through it with you tomorrow evening after work. I’m more than happy to send you details of accounts etc or you can request them yourself.

    We’ve discussed this at great length over the years on this blog. Mike Ashley didn’t even know nufc didn’t own the football ground…..that’s just the start of many horrible decisions he made prior to buying the club. Hidden debts which he found because he didn’t do his due diligence which has been openly discussed by many non nufc fans….the sole reason for this was the advertising vehicle he was so desperate for in a PL team

  • 253 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 11:17 PM

    Croftus @250

    I’m not saying any of that? What I’m saying is that, generally speaking, Ashley’s overall wealth is unaffected whether he loans the club £100m or calls that £100m in and replaces it with third party debt or gives £100m to the club. His wealth is roughly almost the same. That’s why people say it’s all his, swings and roundabouts etc. However, I don’t care about Ashley’s overall wealth. I care about the financial health of the club. If the Ashley gave the club £100m, the club would be in a much better position than if he loaned it. That’s because equity in the club is far better than debt. The club itself is richer club. The balance sheet is £100M better off.

    I think this started with the due diligence point, which is why I was making the distinction between Ashley’s money and the club’s. The distinction is important. I’ve asked Our Toon why he says Ashley’s lack of due diligence cost the club £20m. As far as I can see, it cost the club nothing.

  • 254 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 11:21 PM

    Our toon

    I’m sure Jib can provide the information if it’s out there.

    But how does Ashley’s lack of due diligence cost the club. That is simply a matter of explaining a principle. It needs no link. Ashley didn’t do due diligence and it cost the club because ….?

  • 255 Blofal // Jan 3, 2016 at 11:24 PM

    Can’t put the weight of goal scoring on Arma’s shoulders. Austin maybe but ffs get Loic Remy on loan… he is the only truely clinical premier league proven striker available. Chance creation isn’t as much of a problem as clinical finishing. That goal Gini missed.. Ben Arfa would have buried. For all his faults if he had half a chance Ben Arfa would bury it. Goalkeeper would never have a chance. Vardy is the same. Remy is a good finisher. Pay him whatever he wants and bring him in for the rest of the season.

  • 256 Munster Mag // Jan 3, 2016 at 11:49 PM

    Rotunda i have explained many many times that pardew is an average manager. He is not utterly useless and guys like you were hammering him even in the good times, because you are too stubborn to even consider an alternative point of view and cant admit that useless managers do not save palace when they had the same points as sunderland do now and you are not big enough to admit that so far this season, given that they have plenty of average players, they are doing rather well. Remember (again) i only ever said he was average. You were the one and some other numbnuts, who said he was useless. And u know what? Nobody in the greater football community agrees with you. So for your inability to try to see an alternative point view, you are a bit of an eejit. On many other points of view we agree, eg mcclaren and players, and thats great. So i suppose we should stop the abuse. And by the way i laughed at the 0-3 today. I dont particularly like pardew, i just thought the abuse was OTT, and imbalanced to this day.

  • 257 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 3, 2016 at 11:54 PM

    Munster
    Don’t you think it’s too early to be judging Pardew at Palace? If he done poorly, he’d be the first to say he hasn’t had long enough to make a difference. He went so that he could chose the players he wanted. Has he even bought that many yet? Bamford’s on loan, isn’t he? He got Cabaye. Who else?

  • 258 Mister Tuff // Jan 4, 2016 at 12:08 AM

    Blackley – I think Tubbs will have lots of financial matters connected with the club nicely tied up. I speculate his contracts for the merchandising perhaps would be distinct from the club itself – so anyone buying the club will also be subject to SD contracts -additional to the purchase of the club.
    The beggar has all the trademarks tied up as well – I think -note think he even has the word Toon tied up as a trademark. Hence my belief that he’ll still be earning from Toon supporters long after he’s gone – to me a shocking thought.

  • 259 Mister Tuff // Jan 4, 2016 at 12:14 AM

    Toolking – I cannot become involved in a wager with a common fellow like yourself.
    How can I not mention the King ever again -in order to challenge his blog bitches and fawning dogs like yourself.
    For all I know you are the leader of the remnants of the King Percy Brigade on the blog – whilst you may not mention him you may instruct the other dogs to bring him up on the blog. And I won’t be able to speak my usual kind words about him.
    So no thanks for you offer – now then don’t get hung up about it like a curtain – you need to “draw” and end to your King Percy utterings.

  • 260 Mister Tuff // Jan 4, 2016 at 12:16 AM

    Jib – have you posted a reply to my financial question yet?

  • 261 Magpie Season // Jan 4, 2016 at 12:21 AM

    Don’t see why people are getting carried away with Armstrong. It’s League One.
    Bamford had an excellent season in the Championship. He can’t get a game for Palace even though their strikers have scored such few goals.

    It’s a gamble picking players that are on good form in the lower leagues if they can handle the step up. You get the Ighalo but you also someone like Lua Lua, who did well at Brighton but failed to make the grade here.

  • 262 Magpie Season // Jan 4, 2016 at 12:24 AM

    Can we tempt Demba Ba back for a short spell?

  • 263 catchy in norway // Jan 4, 2016 at 12:28 AM

    munater

    he is not even average, poor at very best.

    based on facts from 3 prem clubs

  • 264 Munster Mag // Jan 4, 2016 at 12:30 AM

    Blackley, you could be right but in simple terms, they rocketed up the league last year when he arrived…can u imagine the praise sam wud get if that happens to the makems…awful thought. But sam would be praised to the hilt by his fawning british media. And now the others mans dinner eater has them at 7th. its over 30 games…38 or something? i think he is more mature aswell and much more praising of rivals than other prem mgrs. I’d like it if he ends up plumetting because i get grief from mates about how nufc fans abused him but the guy is mid table, not basement in my books




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