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Further Updates On Newcastle’s Lacazette Move

3:10 pm, Thursday, January 7th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 245 Comments

Wednesday’s report in French outlet L’Equipe had Newcastle United bidding €25M yesterday for long-term target Alexandre Lacazette and fans were hoping the report was true – but that was still a huge fee for the 24 year-old French International striker, who is after all still untested at the highest level.

Once the reports staredt to come out PA Sport said there was in fact no bid and that Newcastle were bemused by the report.

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Alexandre Lacazette – in France’s colors

But there is a little more to the story with French radio station RMC supporting the L’Equipe story but adding that Alexandre wasn’t too keen to move half way through the season, because of the  Euro 2-016 Championships to be held in France in June – and he wants to make the French squad.

Then French outlet 20 minutes then reported  they had contacted the footballer’s family to try to get a reaction to the story.

They reported that a close source had said the following to them:

“A departure is not on the agenda. We actually know that Newcastle are interested in Alexandre but it’s not possible for him to leave now.”

And to finish the Lyon President Jean-Michel Aulas has this to say about the speculation:

“I am confident that he will return to his highest level and I have a feeling he will be the first goalscorer in the new stadium.

He will be here for some time because Lyon cannot do without players of his ability.”

The European leagues will realize that with the huge money available in the Premier League – not only will the top players want to play in England but the PL clubs will be able to bid big money for their players – in terms of both fees and wages – and it will be hard to turn down the money in lots of cases.

All we are hoping for  is that after one of the worst years in Newcastle’s long history – largely caused by the incompetence from those running the club at the top – we will still be able to remain in the Premier League and begin to finally build a really good side – and that starts this month.

And that Newcastle do not sink into even further obscurity while clubs like Crystal Palace, Leicester and Watford are thriving way above us in the league.

It’s just nowhere near good enough for a club with the great history and significant stature of Newcastle United.

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245 responses so far ↓

  • 1 sparky55 // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:20 PM

    More chance of Colocinni being named defender of the year than this lad coming here for that kind of money. A non-story if there ever was one.

  • 2 SPRINGY // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:24 PM

    kone for 5m would look a decent signing for us now its fell thru with the mackems due to personal terms…cant see lacazette ever coming to us while we are in the bottom half of the table

  • 3 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:26 PM

    I’ve replied on the previous thread.

  • 4 jimiley // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM

    We bid 25 million euros and offered him 5 grand a week. We cannot get the deal over the line. Fuuny that……

  • 5 belgrade fan // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:30 PM

    Alan Pardew says Palace has no interest of signing Charlie Austin. You can find it on Sky sport

  • 6 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:31 PM

    If there was a club that deserves relegation it’s us.
    Even in the start of the transfer window, pathetic, unplanned, rushed, transfers are being put forward.

    Only a club that is not serious about being a club does this. Linked with mid to lo quality players pathetic.

  • 7 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:32 PM


  • 8 jimiley // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:33 PM

    Spot on. A joke club. Relegation would cost the fat man £130 million in SKY money and wipe the smile off his arrogant face. I welcome it.

  • 9 belgrade fan // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:33 PM


    Reci koji jadnici, ni 1 igrac jos. jbt da uzmu Remija na zajam, Leroj Fer manje od 4m, jedno krilo I onaj Jose Enrike za manje od 2m I da budu mirni. ali ne, ni evro se ne daje

  • 10 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:34 PM

    komfort // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:13 PM

    b&b @ 18

    when he put the money in for essential maintenance…..does he expect to get the value he paid for the car plus what he paid for fixing it when he sells it on?
    What would you or I or any reasonable person expect to get when they sell something whether or not they overpaid for it in the first place? The only way to recover your loss is to sell on to some mug at a similar inflated price. That’s not going to happen unless their are more hidden debts snd the next buyer doesn’t do due diligence. Reslistically, the price you’re going to get is the market value. What any person is prepared to pay on any particular given day.

  • 11 belgrade fan // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM

    Remy on loan, Jose E for less than 2m, Leroy Fer around 4m and some quality winger and we r fine. but it is too much for us

  • 12 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:35 PM

    What were you driving at? Pardon the pun.

  • 13 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:49 PM

    Blackley I understand where you are with Ashley that’s the point of reference I was looking for.

    I don’t agree on several points though.

    1/ There’s no way of proving FFS, if he hadn’t been ill, wouldnt have continued to handle the clubs debt and with increasing TV revenue would possibly have performed better than the boom/bust approach required to get into CL. In other words there are arguments that we wouldn’t have been in trouble never mind ‘do a portsmouth’

    2/ buying the clubs debt to stop interest leeching finances does not make him a benefactor. It simplifies the budget. He can pay himself back ( although as it’s part of the clubs’ equity he gets it back in a sale) at leisure and as he requires from increasing revenue. That’s why he doesn’t need to charge for ground advertising.

    3/ He has various deals that understandably link to SD international. One includes Free Advertising that has TV exposure worldwide to existing, expanding and proposed SD markets. There are marketing analysts who could quantify the worth of this advertising to Mike, and he could sell that to his shareholders at SD. The revenue from that would pay off his loan much quicker. You are going to struggle to explain why he doesn’t

    4/ in all these deals, ‘Firm Financial Footing’ has actually existed from the moment he bought the club. But it also means it has stayed fairly flat. The lack of exploitation of fairly lucrative revenue ( which would turn Firm into Prosperous) like ground advertising seems mystifying for a club that the owner purports as wanting to win something. Why does it operate this way? .

  • 14 toonking // Jan 7, 2016 at 3:57 PM


    it’s what Iike best about the current manager, Pardew had enough in him to give this fat b@stard suvival but now he’s got the puppet who is too crap and will lead this cashley owned newcastle to the championship which is what he deserves.

    wonder how he’ll react this time, could it be the championship trophy he’s calling the trophy he’s aiming for?

  • 15 SouthLincsToon // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:00 PM

    Bit of gossip… Toulouse’s Ben Yedder has today followed Rolando Aarons, Adam Armstrong and Florian Thauvin on Twitter. Coincidence?

  • 16 Belfast // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:17 PM

    That was a cracking put down from Pardew about Neil Warnock in the Charlie Austin story.

    “Neil Warnock was the manager here and he didn’t do very well so I am not really interested in his opinion,” Pardew said. “Charlie Austin is of no interest to us.”

  • 17 Belfast // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:19 PM

    There will be a Charlie Austin article up next no doubt.

  • 18 GeordieinOhio // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:24 PM

    I am waiting for the “emergency Transfer window meeting” headline …..probably be held the week the window closes!

  • 19 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:24 PM

    It’s not from today. Old news.

  • 20 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:28 PM

    @17 belfast

    are we linked with austin ? 😉

    we really ought to stop messing around and get a striker signed up quick even if it is on loan !

    or more importantly imo someone who can create chances like willems or a decent left winger.

  • 21 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:29 PM

    You say that
    However Ben Yedder nearly went to Sevilla in August
    And now his coach is refusing to confirm he’s not leaving this Winter

  • 22 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:29 PM

    Ben yedder? Please no more untested French’s.

  • 23 Belfast // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:30 PM

    I think I might have read a Austin article on here yonks ago croftus lol By the looks of things their ain’t that many clubs in for him.

  • 24 nightfa11 // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:32 PM

    for a striker..remy is our best bet..

    as for winger..maybe januzay? just got back from dortmund..

  • 25 spitfire_ // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:34 PM

    Nevermind the facts, let’s be positive, right? This will change everything. Be positive. Be positive. Be positive. Because the club give you some much reasons to be positive. Let’s pretend that the lat 9 (nine) years never happen. Be positive!

  • 26 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:35 PM

    Ben Yadder is electric

  • 27 Thump // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:35 PM

    From Lacazette to Ben Yedder? No offence to the lad but that’s like going from Shearer to Ameobi.

  • 28 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:35 PM

    1) Do you recall all the talk of no more big signings under the previous regime? Before Ashley. It was also widely reported that the club was mortgaged to the hilt. Where was the money coming from to pay the players to keep us in the top flight? Bear in mind this is years ago. Long before the recent TV deals which have changed the landscape. Shepherd was taking money out not putting it in. That bunch were ripping off the fans and bragging about it.

    2) If your daddy gives you an interest free loan that saves you paying say £50k a year to your bank, are you better off? There’s no difference here. Just because Ashley benefits because, essentially, the club is another one of Ashley’s pots, it matters not. The interest free loan has a direct positive impact on the club’s profit/loss position. Just as an interest free loan from your dad replacing third party borrowings would have on the Tsunki household family budget. The fact Ashley benefits in a sale is by the by to you and me as NUFC fans. It’s exactly like the issue of the due diligence or lack of it costing Ashley. What difference does it make to NUFC? None.

    3) I’m not sure I understand your point. I’ve repeatedly argued that you can ignore the value of the advertising to SD when looking at what NUFC are losing. You can only reasonably look at what NUFC could achieve in the open market. For that, consider Croftus’ link. Why do you and everyone else involved in this discussion ignore the link that gives EPL clubs’ commercial revenues? It gives a very good idea of the ball park figures we’re looking at.

    4) I’ve dealt with that above. Where Ashley falls down IMO is his poor running of the football side. You need to make profit. That’s happening. However, you’ve got to invest that profit wisely. You’ve also got to look for value for money or you can’t come near to competing with sovereign country wealth. In football that’s not always straightforward. Is the big money signing a briiliant move or is it going to go tits up for a whole host of reasons? Even the fans guess at it.

    You’ve got to employ the right CEO to run the business. He has to employ the right manager and recruitment team. Some people actually think it will all come good. In August the mood on here from the majority was upbeat. Ashley might have shared their optimism too. The glaring problem with Ashley is he hasn’t got s clue. It’s here that it all falls down IMO. He hasn’t got a clue. The fact is nobody would be talking about advertising if Carr and Charnley were doing s sterling job.

    You say the revenues would pay off his loan much quicker. Okay. But he’d answer that the club should then pay its own way so forget about the interest free loan. I’m sick andctired of being criticised for the free advertising. I’ll tear up this interest free loan and the clubbyou support will be worse off overall.

    Going back to the loan from your dad to the Tsunki household. Suppose your dad asks you to allow him to park his car at yours when he comes to town to watch the match. You say no because you get £ 10k a year for letting your drive on a match day. Your dad might just say, “You know what Tsunki lad, I need to buy somewhere to park my car. I’m going to have to call in my interest free loan to you. Sorry. I know you’ll be £50k a year worse off. But there you go.”

  • 29 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:37 PM

    Benyebuts they call him – loose translation – son of goals

  • 30 Thump // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:38 PM

    There again if Ben Yedder meant getting rid of Rivvy…

  • 31 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:39 PM

    @25 spitfire

    very true buddy and when messi sign’s for us in the next few days everyone will be a believer……hmm is falcao available for a loan deal also while we are at it ?

  • 32 Thump // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM

    @croftus: Messi has rejected us on the basis that he would pay too much tax on his wages here in the UK.

    Falcao, however, is willing to pay off his contract in full just to get a chance to talk to Schteve.

  • 33 spitfire_ // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:48 PM


    Yeah… Yesterday one bloke from the blog teach me this. To be positive.

    Using this, I’ll go absolutely bananas, if we buy Ben Yedder, despite the fact that our last two flair players which came from France, was… anti-flair.

  • 34 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:50 PM

    I would say he started following them a few weeks ago but it might be longer than that.

    Ben-Yedder looks to be leaving in this window.

  • 35 sparky55 // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:50 PM

    you never know lads…Rivi might just surprise us all and come out the blocks just like Cisse did four years ago!…stranger things have happened….but lets also hope that’s not what Maclaren is depending on!

  • 36 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:53 PM


    1/ a I said, no proof, just assumption. We will never know. And Ashley may be doing the same without the bragging.

    2/ forget the finance lesson. Ashley has basically just turned his debt into interest free like switching card credit balances. It’s still his money and he can get it out. The interest factor is irrelevant. It no longer exists.

    3/ I asked why he doesn’t charge for ads when he could make the club and him benefit by doing so. Simple question. Why is he passing up on this whether it’s worth £5m or £30m? it’s all money to him.

    4/ I know that the lacklustre financial operation results from the preceding points, I just wonder why he designs it to run as flatly when revenue is being eschewed? Whys he doing it?

  • 37 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:54 PM


    He may well be electric, but so was Cabella. Are you not sick of players coming here who might be good enough? There is never any guarantee and the likelihood is that the risk is too great considering where we are situated in the league.

  • 38 Ravostag // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:55 PM

    Dont believe we will sign anyone, we go after those players who will never come we need to be realistic on our targets. I fink Pards will get Austin Landon connection

  • 39 JamesToon // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:56 PM

    Ben Yedder? No thanks, not another Riviere

  • 40 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:58 PM

    Steve Mandanda’s announcement that he will stay at Marseille until end of the season “out of respect for the fans”

  • 41 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2016 at 4:59 PM

    I never think we were in for Mandanda.

  • 42 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:01 PM

    @32 thump

    you kidding me ? 🙁 had my mortgage on him coming here as well 🙁

    just thinking we could have a reject prem team really and go for falcao / enrique / fermino / hernandez / lambert / lovren / lallana / balotelli / sagna /clichy / delph / nasri / januzaj / valencia ect ect ect >.<

  • 43 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:01 PM

    Elliot us the suprise of the season for me, surely a contender for player of the season!!

  • 44 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:02 PM

    *Newcastle player of the season lol

  • 45 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:15 PM

    Leicester City have made an increased £16m bid for Aleksandar Dragovi?, the Dynamo Kiev defender.

  • 46 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:15 PM

    There’s no guarantees in footy.
    NUFC have by no means cornered the market on flops.
    If we don’t take chances on players we’ll never succeed.
    The PL is a hell of a step up – Falcao flops – Sanchez soars – Costa good one season crap the next .

    That’s why players and managers want to work here , to measure themselves against the best.

  • 47 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:20 PM

    ut the Ukrainian club rejected it & are holding out for £20M.

  • 48 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:24 PM

    Jib, I agree. There arent any guarantees- but, there are greater risks. In this case, premier league proven players are most likely to ensure our safety over untested players. Sick of always signing players that we have to wait to see how quickly they adapt, we just don’t have that time this window.

  • 49 sparky55 // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:28 PM


    Correctomundo…we need to buy premiership experience not potential

  • 50 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:30 PM


    Whatever player is signed they’d need to adapt doesn’t matter where they come from.

    Jib – agree with some of what you say but the prem isn’t the best, far from it. Costa didn’t want to play for his manager and now he’s gone the fella has 3 in 2 games. Falcao was finished by the injury he picked up prior to joining the PL, Monaco knew this and have saved money big time. Sanchez is Sanchez class player.

    The most important thing to buy in this window is some leaders, whether they are young or old.

  • 51 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:33 PM

    @50 our toon

    bring nolan back on a free transfer he will add leadership and goals.

  • 52 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:34 PM

    Our Toon

    Quite correct, however, a player who has been tested in the premier league will not need to adapt to the pace of the league. They already know what to expect hence the time it takes to adapt is much more guaranteed over a player who has to learn the language, physicality and pace of the league because they have come from abroad. We don’t have time to hope these players come good and adapt quickly.

  • 53 hibbitt // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:38 PM

    ymfb……..unfortunately the clowns that run the club are gamblers and are prepared to take the risk with second rate player short term savings long term

  • 54 Jack Root // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:38 PM

    “Let the buyer beware”.

  • 55 hibbitt // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:42 PM

    our toon……..ashley wont have leaders they have opinions thats dangerous

  • 56 lesh // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:43 PM

    So, Lacazette’s politely told us and the world that he’s not interested? Were we ever seriously interested or is this part of the charade they’ve acted out before?

    They must think we’re stupid and they’re right!

  • 57 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:46 PM


    50000 confirm that every home match

  • 58 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:47 PM


    I know he won’t and that’s why season after season we are in the mire

    Burnley – Payet didn’t take long to adapt, hit the ground running, some foreign players will take to to adapt some won’t. Some “proven” PL players will adapt some won’t

    Sissoko etc came in and hit the ground running kept us up beating chelsea etc. Cisse came in and helped us climb the table and finish 5th with 13 goals in 14 games.

    I can point out plenty of British or foreign proven premier league players who have failed when making moves. Adapting to change philosophy, new training methods, different systems etc all play a bigger part than simply moving from 1 country to another

  • 59 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:50 PM

    i would have far more faith in the players coming here if they were under good management. A lot of careers seem to go backwards / stall here under old school management.

  • 60 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:53 PM


    Spot on mate, it could be said that players show about as much ambition playing for this club as the hierarchy show in running it properly…..Both incompetent as fusk

  • 61 lesh // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:54 PM

    These due diligence, interest free loans, free advertising topics are going round in circles – time for a change:

    Reposted to set the cat among the pigeons….

    Way off thread but somebody posted yesterday and suggested that Ashley may have designs on owning the leasehold or even freehold of the SJP site, which is owned by the Freemen of Newcastle upon Tyne and leased by the Club which is owned by Ashley.

    Daft? Not as daft as it might seem.

    We know that Ashley’s been buying high-value property and his portfolio is growing. Why property? It’ll provide him with a long-term safe investment which is increasing in value over time – especially plum city-centre sites.

    We know that Ashley’s moral code is virtually non-existent and he’s ruthless caring nothing about tradition or local pride – everything he does revolves around money and his insatiable thirst for more.

    Would the SJP site be worth owning? Ask any property developer or investment fund.

    As we know, football and its followers mean nothing to Ashley and he’d think it adequate compensation for developing the SJP site and building an out of town stadium on land owned by him.

    Football and the success of Newcastle United as a football club means nothing to him and his allegiance to Newcastle upon Tyne is nil.

    Don’t write off the possibility, be prepared for the bombshell – in time.

  • 62 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:54 PM

    Our Toon

    Payet has always had quality, he was always going to adapt fast. What quality players do we Sign? Wijnaldum is by far our best coup and he adapted fast. But is Ashley willing to spend the same amount on more quality players? I doubt it. Judging off of previous dealings we are most likely going to try our luck on more untested bargains who have a chance to do well but will most likely not help towards saving us from the drop. But it’s all good because they have potential right? There is less risk when it comes to buying players who have proven they can already hack it in the premier league.

  • 63 Jack Root // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:01 PM

    Shelvey is McClaren’s no 1 target. A goal scoring midfielder for £10 million. Just do it !

  • 64 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:04 PM


    Ozil has always had quality it took him 2 years to adapt. I’m just merely pointing out that it doesn’t matter where you come from or who you are as it’s shown with Cisse in the past and Sissoko when he first joined etc etc.

    Shaun Wright Philips was class until he joined Chelsea, since then he lost his way and never found it again, Torres hit the ground running with Liverpool, couldn’t hit a barn door at Chelsea. Carroll class at the toon piss poor with Liverpool. It took Routledge something like 10 clubs before he settled. Danny Graham very successful at Swansea and turd since.

  • 65 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:05 PM

    just been ding more homework on bas dost guys.

    the more i think about it the more it makes sense to have a peter crouch tbh !

    austin first choice but i wouldnt turn dost down either.

  • 66 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:07 PM

    Jack Root

    That’s the first time I’ve ever heard heard anyone mention Shelvey as a goalscoring midfielder. Think we have that in Gini though, we need a deep lying midfielder who can calm us in possession. Has Shelvey ever managed more than 6 goals in a season? I’m uncertain hence why I’m asking

  • 67 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:09 PM

    Our Toon

    Yes, that’s correct. What I want the club to do is to buy players who are proven to play well in the premier league as apposed to one’s who have never been in this league. As you say it doesn’t necessarily mean that the premier league proven player will turn out better for the club than the untested player. I’m just merely suggesting that there is less risk as you know what you’re getting. Can we afford the risk? I don’t think so…

  • 68 beermonkey // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:15 PM


    its food for thought

    don’t know what the land is worth to a development company , or the cost of a new stadium

    crowds are getting smaller they give away and sell cheap tickets all the time
    so would they go for a smaller stadium

  • 69 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:22 PM

    1) The proof will be there if you care to look at the accounts forensically. I seem to recall the investment analyst, Venay Bedi of Brewin Dolphin, saying as much. I had no reason to doubt him. He’s the expert, not me. If I find time I’d like to find his comments to re-read.

    2) For as long as a loan is interest free it’s not irrelevant. People seem to think that it’s all Ashley’s money at the end of the day. But it’s not as straightforward as that. NUFC (through yhe corporate structure) is an Ashley asset but it is separate in its own right; it has a separate legal identity. Any money saved on interest outlay goes directly to profit. Any profit can be used to buy players. Ashlwy cannot simply write out a cheque to himself from NUFC as if its his own bank account. Their are creditors interests to consider. Not surprisingly, anyone who is not familiar with running a business through a company might struggle with this fine but important distinction. (I’ve got no clue about combustion engines. I’d struggle to hold a conversation with someone who does.) But most people will see that when NUFC benefits financially, Ashley benefits; so it’s in his interests to make NUFC benefit financially.

    Yes Ashley can get his money out. But even when he extracts his money by loan repayment, that doesn’t harm the club – unless it incapacitates it for lack of working capital. (Ashley has always made sure the club has had working capital.) Loan repayment reduces the club’s debt accordingly but not the value of NUFC’s balance sheet.

    You say the interest factor no longer exists. Do you mean the loan is no longer interest free? I recall there were some changes recently but can’t recall exactly what they are?

    3) Why does Ashley pass up on the advertising? Perhaps he believes it’s piffling especially given he owns most of SD anyway. Look at Croftus’ link to commercial revenues. But also, he might consider he puts in far more by way of an interest free loan anyway. FFP is surely a factor but that’s another question.

    4) This is covered above. Look at Croftus’ link. You appear to want to avoid going there. It appears I’m the only one who dares look.

  • 70 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:27 PM


    I’d take Shelvey but he’d just replace colback. I get what your saying, proven PL players….does that count obertan?

    I want us to buy very good players no matter where they come from because looking at the prem the best all came from abroad. Look at the state of Rooney under a new man….proven or not he’s struggling because he’s not able to adapt to this new style, the kid they bought is scoring the goals

  • 71 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:28 PM

    Lesh // Jan 7, 2016 at 5:54 PM

    These due diligence, interest free loans, free advertising topics are going round in circles – time for a change:
    These topics only go one way on such a thoroughly anti-ashley blog.

  • 72 Jack Root // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:28 PM

    We currently play with 2 DM’s at home. Shelley is viewed as a mobile D M that has an excellent goals: games ratio. We would be buying someone who can defend, get forward, shoot and score. Someone who we need. Huddle described him recently as a young talented midfielder who has a variety of midfield skills.

  • 73 Jack Root // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:33 PM

    He would replace Anita who is too often a powder puff. That would allow Jack to do his own job and not incessantly have to cover for Anita’s lack of impact in the tackle.

  • 74 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:34 PM


    I like Shelvey but don’t expect a goalscoring midfielder.

    To play devils advocate though it’s a concern Swansea are playing better without him and that they’ve improved results without him

  • 75 Jack Root // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:35 PM

    Give it a rest. Fans are bailing out of the blog on mass.

  • 76 Jack Root // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:35 PM

    Check out the stats.

  • 77 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:36 PM

    Colback and Shelvey in cm who’s going to protect the defence? Where’s the ball winner?

  • 78 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:37 PM

    Our Toon

    Obertan? Don’t be daft. He may have played games at this level but that doesn’t mean he’s premier league proven. Maybe I should have made it more clear. If we are going to spend a lot of money on players this window then I would prefer it to be spent on good premier league proven players, like:

    Januzaj loan

  • 79 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:37 PM

    The club has been through all this before.

    Quck History lesson

    Leazes Park is the oldest public park in Newcastle opened in 1873 and owned by the Freemen of the city and administered by the council
    SJP is covenanted as part of Leazes Park .
    It can only be used for purposes of recreation , definitely no dwellings.

    It comes under “The Town Moor Act 1988”

    It is on a rolling 99 year lease last renewed by
    Sir John Hall in 1992 after he had tried to get around the regs by proposing a MultiSports Arena incorporating hotels and spas etc.
    He was told “no chance” ( hotels are dwellings ) in no uncertain terms , SJH lost interest in NUFC shortly thereafter .
    The next time the lease comes up for renewal is 2091 !

  • 80 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:39 PM


    In my opinion Anita is better than Colback. He’s tidier on the ball and is very quick into the tackle, just as he was improving and looking the real part he gets injured.

  • 81 Jack Root // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:40 PM

    They are both ball winners. Jack has not produced last seasons form consistently because he’s covering to often for Anita.
    Shelvey has a terrific dead ball!

  • 82 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:45 PM


    Colback does not cover for Anita, if that was the case he wouldn’t seem to go missing from games all the time. Anita is always being a nuisance against attackers and covers alot of ground. He may not possess the physicality that you would expect with someone playing in his position but that didn’t stop makelele.

  • 83 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:47 PM

    Anita is out with a hamstring injury

  • 84 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:47 PM

    Shelvey could fit in like this…


  • 85 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:48 PM

    Instead of Anita I meant Wijnaldum

  • 86 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:49 PM


  • 87 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:51 PM

    Compare the club from the day MA bought us.
    There isnt a single thing thats better about the club from the last day FS sold if you compare it with today.
    We have the same debt,the teams nowhere near as good and we are in such poor standing in the footballing world we struggle to sign french footballing mercinaries.

    To claim we are better off with MAs financial skuldugary and suposed good value players is better than the days of FS is baffling.

  • 88 toon kk // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:54 PM

    Young magpie
    Who’s going to score our goals in your team?
    We have to score to win games.

  • 89 Jack Root // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:55 PM

    I can’t agree on Jack. It’s just plain daft to compare Anita with Makelele. He changed the game on the pitch with ‘ match data’- chapter 8 I recall in Soccernomics.

  • 90 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2016 at 6:58 PM


    Out of the players you mentioned I’d probably only take januzaj on loan.

    Vlaar has been out injured since sept, will be play enough games to have an affect?

    Carrick is far to old and finished, good on the ball and for man utd who dominate possession he’s ok, we don’t dominate possession so he’ll have to track runners etc.

    Berahino, I do like the lad but he’s unprofessional, a bad apple. Doesn’t turn up to training, or is late alot. Looked like he put serious weight in on as well when he came on against us. Not sure that’s what you want in relegation fight.

    Townsend….hmm he’d be very greedy but with a point to prove, I’d take him on loan with a view to a perm move depending on how he does.

    Shelvey yes but only as a short term fix as he’s didn’t make the grade at Liverpool and now looks like he can’t into a team ahead of Leon Britton

  • 91 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:00 PM

    With regard to Anita and Colback
    Sorry I didn’t realise you were talking in general .
    I thought you were talking about this weekend v Watford

  • 92 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:02 PM


    In what way did he change the match? He runs alot and gets those early yellow cards but he doesn’t contribute much to the team. Of course you can compare them, they play in the same position and they are similar builds, which is my point. Obviously skill level there is a huge difference.


    I agree, who is? I’m not going to go and put loads of new players into a team because it’s not guaranteed. Right now we are relying on either a Remy upfront or the riskier version of Mitro getting considerably better finishing. Either way we don’t really have anyone else but Wijnaldum, who is always a goal threat. We need our wingers to contribute to the goals also.

  • 93 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:03 PM

    Toon KK

    With enough / right service most strikers and midfielders will score

    No one would have had lukaku, Ighalo and vardy as the leading goalscorers this season but they’ve had the right service and alot of service to make sure they are scoring

    Since Ranieri tightened the defence up Vardy has got 1 goal in 6 games

  • 94 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:06 PM

    Jack Root @75
    Fans bailing out of the blog en masse? I think that must’ve happened before. There’s no one left who is allowed to bring some balance and say a good word about Ashley where it’s due. The anti-ashley campaign has taken up residence and others have drifted away. There seems yo be only Jib who sticks it out. Fair play yo his resilience. At least some of the 100% anti-ashley bloggers have respectfully refrained from commenting and have not resorted to abuse such as boring, lying, offensive tosser. If you disagree with some on here, they’ll tell you you know nothing or obfuscate or insult you.

    I would suggest to you, if you don’t like my posts, they’re easy to skip. In case, you haven’t noticed they’re the long ones. Personally, like team formations and selections, endless speculation about new signings bores me to death. Nothing is happening on that until it happens. It’s meaningless pap. But it’s not for me to tell others what to post.

    Hopefully, that’s the end of due diligence, advertising, etc for some time. But if someone brings it on, I’ll respectfully engage them.

    The great bit about following the club at the minute is the schadenfreude. Knowing the pickle that Ashley and his team have got into and waiting to see their response. The longer nothing happens, the better it becomes.

  • 95 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:08 PM

    I’m watching Wolsburg v Leverkusen at the mo’

    There were a few on here wanted Chicharito in the summer.

    He’s looking good and sharp.

    Read an article about how happy he is to be away from Man U.

    Missed an opportunity there methinks

  • 96 WWSBRD // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:08 PM

    Id have Colback over Anita everyday of the week

  • 97 Jack Root // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:08 PM

    A mate was telling me that before the ArsenL game McClaren spent hours trawling over player stats that really matter.
    Shelvey would give us a higher% ball retention in the final third. Something lacking since we sold Yohan.

  • 98 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:09 PM

    Our Toon

    I agree on Carrick, however I feel like Mcclaren has realised that this team can play with possession. Just like we did against Arsenal, this is just an observation and should be taken with a pinch of salt however I feel like we might be seeing more of this style. If this is the case then we need players who are comfortable in possession and that can unlock defences. Shelvey, Carrick apply to this.

  • 99 cyprus // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:10 PM

    If this player can come in and start scoring, then pay the extortionate amount, we are desperate for a real and ready CF, like Cisse was a couple years back. We just don’t have the time for our young good prospects up front to gel.

    If Enrique isn’t injured and is motivated and is as good as he was (our best LB ever), bring him back.

    And, bring in a young prospect who may pull off a miracle…

  • 100 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:13 PM


    Just wondering… Why?

  • 101 Jack Root // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:13 PM

    I was having a larf. It’s just that every time I come on your banging on about the same subject. It’s a bit like taking coals to N’castle for me.
    I enjoy your passion.

  • 102 WWSBRD // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:15 PM

    I think he is a better player who offers more to the team bit daft with his cynical tackles at times but street ahead of Anita for me

  • 103 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:16 PM

    Our best left back ever was Alan Kennedy

  • 104 WWSBRD // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:16 PM

    Neither should be starting for NUFC but Anita for me should be at the club

  • 105 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:17 PM


    Ok, that’s fair enough… I respect your opinion!

  • 106 toon kk // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:18 PM

    Our toon
    There’s so many flaws in our squad it’s unbelievable, ignoring weak positions by the board causing players to be played out of position doesn’t help. For me pace and our creative play is terrible. It takes our who team to defend as a unit or we are rely on?
    But most of all where’s our cutting edge in front of goal? We do get chances occasionally but time after time they’re wasted.

  • 107 WWSBRD // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:19 PM

    Shouldn’t that should read gaddamn phone

  • 108 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:23 PM

    Calciomercato say Nicolas N’Koulou close to a €7m move to Tottenham from Marseille.

  • 109 Jack Root // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:23 PM

    I got a secret Santa present at work. You and Jib would love it.
    It’s The PFA Premier and Football League Players’ Records
    1946- 2015. Over 900 pages of stats. Interesting if you like that sort of thing as a reference point. Not that someone thought I was a geek.
    Anita is all style and not a lot of substance. He is not suited to the PL for me- I personally think Jack is a better transporter and passer of the ball and when fully fit more of a terrier.

  • 110 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:24 PM

    Toon KK

    I haven’t put my team up because we’d need quite a few changes, starting with the manager…..playing with the handbrake on.

    No one can deny we miss chances but we create so little, other miss bigger and more chances but they create alot more. Change the philosophy and we’ll get wins. Continue with managers who fear losing rather than attempting to win and you end up with pards or mcclaren or worse carver.

    Bring in who you want mcclaren won’t change his ways

  • 111 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:30 PM

    Its hard for a striker if you are playing in a team that hardly creates a chance cant make you confident when you do get a chance !

    Lukaku is on fire the now because he knows he will get supply so even if he misses he will probably get another because Everton are creating from both wings

    If Janmaat or Sissoko dont get a cross in we dont create at the moment thats got to change by having a left winger , left back and play maker to give the team balance

  • 112 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:32 PM

    Speak later guys, Happy blogging!!

  • 113 Rotonda heights // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:33 PM

    kk at 106 and our toon at 110

    spot on.

  • 114 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:33 PM

    i wonder if the likes of colback and anita was put into cm and told instead of “your job is to protect the back four” they was just told “do what you do best” wether they would be a lot better players ?

    colback and anita showed flashes of excitement on the odd occasions they went forward and i really wonder if our club is holding them back on purpose in making them play a way they dont want to really play.

  • 115 BandB // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:34 PM

    Keep going Blackley

    I reckon the launch of your anti anti-Ashley clampdown is sending his popularity soaring, and could even save us from relegation.

  • 116 Jack Root // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:34 PM

    Alan Kennedy – Born Sunderland. Appearances 8/72 to 1977- 155 with 9 goals. Stats impressive before signing for Liverpool

  • 117 BandB // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:37 PM

    Can you explain that due diligence thing again please?
    I think I’m starting to get you,

  • 118 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:38 PM


    I feel that as well Anita looked quality for us when he was in a middle 3 with Cabaye and Tiote (the season when Cabaye was sold) and Colback has looked good at times when in a middle 3 as well

    The 2 of them did not suit a 442 at all but a midfield 3 of Shelvey , Wijnaldum and Anita/Colback would work or if Tiote is fit and playing to Arsenal game form then neither would get a game !!

  • 119 toon kk // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:38 PM

    Our toon
    I’ve often wondered what goes on in training? I think our fitness levels are low.
    But we need some pacy proven quality into our squad, yes I agree we could do better than Macca but our level is limited with our current group.
    Our loosing attitude soon kicks in when we go behind doesn’t help.

  • 120 SPRINGY // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:40 PM

    on ben yedder,have’nt seen much of the lad but the few clips ive seen looks areet but makes cabella look like a novice when it comes to step overs!lol
    still nowt on the imaginary transfer dealings yet?
    that CB player who the mackems could’nt agree terms with looks a big strong fairly quick lad and we were apparently looking at him

  • 121 Jack Root // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:42 PM

    I think you might be right. It’s designed to protect a relatively weak back 4.

  • 122 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:42 PM

    Kennedy bought by Paisley
    A Hetton le Hole man buying a Mackem.
    He was the best full back along with Irving Nattrass (from Fishburn) I ever saw at SJP

  • 123 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:44 PM

    Toon KK

    We don’t do much in training but I do get what you mean. I blame the lack of ambition off the field and the lies told to players when they join

    If you don’t give a toss as the owner then why should the players care….its my opinion before a certain poster starts another week long rant over a subject he has no clue on.

  • 124 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:49 PM

    Blackey are you trying to say were a better club with MA as owner than we were under FS .
    That we have less debt and a better team ?

    And that you ballance to this blog is in no way unreasonable in light of the facts?

  • 125 BandB // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:52 PM

    Well, I’m off to write “I must not cheek Mr Ashley” 1000 times.

  • 126 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:54 PM

    How many other prem clubs are shackled with an owner who has the club over such a finacial barrel they are made to give away there advertising to the owners other companys ,for free ,in return for a loan made to himself??

    Is this included in the srewd financial running of our club??

  • 127 toon kk // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:55 PM

    Our toon
    I agree there’s a lot of lies in and around the club. Why do some players desperately want away?
    As for people who think MA has taken a back seat, I say think again, I reckon he’ll always have the final say before any decisions that are made.

  • 128 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:56 PM

    Can anyone else rememmber this blog,before the MA has rainbows eminating from his behind brigade,where the actual football was discussed??

  • 129 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:57 PM

    BandB @117
    Haha. If you’re getting it now, please explain it to OurToon. I see he’s still claiming to know it all and to say I’ve got no clue. His hope must be that if he keeps saying it often enough, he’ll recover some face.

  • 130 BandB // Jan 7, 2016 at 7:59 PM


    There’s been quite a disrespectful little discussion about the transfer window running all week behind the bike sheds.
    Principal Blackley has been too busy caning 4B to notice.

  • 131 BandB // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:00 PM

    Well, who hasn’t lost face Blackley?

  • 132 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:04 PM

    We were only heading one way under FFS, who was mortgaging the future to seek current glory. The club is on a more stable financial course if we can avoid relegation. However, that seems increasingly unlikely, such is Ashley’s incompetence on the footballing side. The debt has increased. It wouldn’t have done under FFS because the club was mortgaged almost to the hilt. We’d simply have sunk with no way of buying players to replace FFS’s deadwood.

  • 133 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:05 PM

    Interesting comments made by the likes of collymore, cundy etc. They said the 3 worst run clubs are currently occupying the 3 relegation spots… surprises why!!

  • 134 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:07 PM

    The transfer discussion. How do you sum it up in a couple of sentences? I’d love to catch up.

  • 135 BandB // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:07 PM

    Did anyone notice that planning permission has finally gone in to develop the area of land behind the Gallowgate?

  • 136 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:09 PM

    I’m off to reclaim my life for a few days. Got some good books to read.

  • 137 Vask // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:10 PM


    What are they going to build?

  • 138 BandB // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:10 PM

    I’d say it has been pleasantly free of deference, and in particular, verbosity, Mr Blackley sir.
    You probably need to get in there with Jibs the school bully and give the sneaks a good thrashing.

  • 139 Our Toon // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:11 PM


    Who cares about that land mate, haven’t you heard we are better off.

  • 140 croftus5678 // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:12 PM

    hmm how about simone zaza ? 2 more higher profile strikers have pushed him down the pecking order but the lad looks everything we need imo !

    hard working /always closing down / no such thing as a lost cause / strong and has a powerfull shot !

    he’s a bit mitrovicy though where discaplin is involved 🙂

  • 141 BandB // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:13 PM


    A £50m mixed development with lots of steel and glass offices space.
    It looks a lot like what the university has been doing in the science park.

  • 142 Jack Root // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:14 PM

    What about David Craig? At RB.

    Looked up Alan Suddick ( nephew at Academy ) – he was playing for 5 years from 1961-1966. 41 goals from 144 games before being sold to Blackpool. He was an England under 23 international. I remember reading about him a while ago when he passed away.

  • 143 Vask // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:15 PM

    I see, I was reading the other day about how the city is now highly regarded in the world of office lettings.

    Who owns that land? Was it the council?

    (Forgive my lack of engagement on footballing matters).

  • 144 ronaldo aarons // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:18 PM

    Zaza? As an out and out cf I would say no if I’m honest though he is a good player. I would go to juventus for rugani however and he’s definitely unsettled atm.

  • 145 bettyswallocks // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:22 PM

    I’m sure McC was promised serious funding to rebuild the team when he joined us and if reports are to be believed then Wijnaldum was also told the team was going to be rebuilt.
    The only hope we have to recruit some proper players is if they also buy into the new team promise.
    If however nothing of any significance happens in this window then disillusionment on an unprecedented scale will set in right through the club and Ashley and co. Will have nowhere to hide.
    This is the most important window for Ashley since he took over. So over to you Mike.

  • 146 BandB // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:23 PM


    It is owned by the City Freemen, though planning permission lies with the council.
    It was held on leasehold by the club, and there was a joint feasibility study between the club and the council a few years ago about potentially extending the Gallowgate End.
    But expansion appears not to be envisaged by the club any longer, and the lease seems to now lie with Mash Holdings rather than the club.
    The planning permission isn’t being sought by the club, and the land itself could even be switched to freehold private ownership at a cost of just £800,000.
    Talk about making your own luck, eh?

  • 147 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:24 PM


    So your saying we were doomed under FS ?
    But we are actually in exactly the same debt under MAs amazing financial steward ship with debt the wont ever be payed,giving away a large chunk of revinue for the pleasure.

    And at the same time with a team not half what FS had not to mention us now having a reputation among clubs thats in the gutter nowdays.

    So exactly what has MA done thats better than the previous owner?
    Same if not more debt,less revinue,worse team and prospects looking dire at best.
    As a club our reputaion is in tatters.

  • 148 Vask // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:27 PM


  • 149 BandB // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:29 PM

    The plans look smashing Vask.
    Someone’s going to make a tidy packet there, you’d think.

  • 150 BandB // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:33 PM

    But you are right, we stood stick to football matters, as absolutely none of those gobbled up assets will be paying for any full backs.
    Best keep these things separate.

  • 151 BandB // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:47 PM

    Old Whack-O annuals, Blackley?

  • 152 ronaldo aarons // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:49 PM

    If there is one player that would sort our midfield out and would definitely go all out for is johannes geis of schalke. Much better than shelvey like most people are calling for.

  • 153 bettyswallocks // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:50 PM

    BandB…… You seem very interested in discussing corporal punishment. Is it a hobby of yours?

  • 154 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2016 at 8:51 PM

    BandB…You never know. At some stage, if we’re very well behaved, and Ashley makes lots of money out of us, he may be nice and buy us some extra players out of the monies that have been seperated from the club.

    I mean, he does want us to be succesful. He also wants us to be self sufficient. Surely logic dictates that money is coming back in to the club, and not Ashleys pocket, it is afterall small change to a man like him and what interest would he have in lining his personal pockets out of his venture with Newcastle United?…people can’t make money out of owning a football club…they only do it for the glory…it’s just a rich mans play thing.

    Anymore you care to add to the list?

    I asked yesterday about the estimated costs of the ground extension. I’ve read £30-40m online to add 6-8,000 seats.Let’s work on the higher cost, to lower seats.

    £40m / 8,000 = £6,666 per seat. Season tickets are going for what these days? How many years therefore would take to completely pay back those costs from the new seats alone? If a ST costs £500 p.a, it’d be 13-14 years.

    Have they started giving ST away with SD online orders over £100 yet?

  • 155 Bambams // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:01 PM

    Just watched a bit of the Wigan v Gillingham match, the stand at the far side has the first ten rows of seats covered by advertising. ….
    Speaks volumes that fans are not at the match (obviously it’s on tv) but the club must of kept these ‘prime’ seats free for advertising.

    Hope Ash is not watching !!!!

    Once upon a time I would not have given the idea a moments thought, but Ash + Advertising go together

  • 156 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:09 PM

    Bambams…You paint a scary scenario.

    Mike: “That was great, did you see they way they had adverts across the seats”.

    Other person: “And what about that goal they scored Mike, wasn’t it great?”

    Mike: “Goal? What goal? Stop watching football and get with the program FFS!”

  • 157 hibbitt // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:12 PM

    bambam……that only work if the game is on sky or bt if your not in the prem tv games are few and far between

  • 158 kilcline // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:19 PM

    We need to go English or English based and hungry.

    Take Galloway on loan from Everton and start him left back
    Get Byram and play him right wing
    Do everything to get Remy on loan

    Put Sissoko in centre mid with Winijdum and play Arrons left mid

  • 159 brklyngeordie // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:26 PM

    Off topic of article but must say if we do bring in Ajeti it will be a shrewd move by the club lad could rise to first team quickly a la Perez who was thought of as youth purchase and will be adding more depth to a young stable of attacking players on the books all 22 and under I believe in Mitro,Perez,Armstrong and Toney not to bad for this mess of a club..

    Makes me hope that the transfer policy could be headed for a turn as we have gone to the well one to many times in France and have not earned a good reputation the last few transfers which honestly maybe better for us always say on the blog we need to direct our attention to more Balkan areas where we can get better value on money and players are usually more up for the fight a lot of them are plying their trade in Belgium,Swiss,Italy and Germany and brought in at early ages we to need to get some eyes on these leagues as there are real diamonds in the rough out there..

    If we want to save ourselves from relegation atm though going to need a CM and a LB in asap or going to be real up hill battle

  • 160 Bambams // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:26 PM

    Boys you know what I am getting at.

    Just feels so wrong to see empty seats already covered by advertising.

    Once upon a time local youth football clubs or scouts etc would be given free tickets – selling advertising space is the way ahead obviously

  • 161 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:31 PM

    Extract from the Swiss Ramble.

    More to the point, Ashley’s loans have been critical to the club’s survival, as it is far from clear that they would have managed to secure refinancing from the debt market. For example, Barclays Bank has insisted on securing its lending on assets and cash from transfer fees, while the last loan obtained by the previous regime under chairman Freddy Shepherd was at the prohibitively expensive interest rate of 11.72%.

    In fact, it is fair to say that the previous ownership had mortgaged the club to the hilt, securing loans on virtually all the club’s assets (training ground) and future income streams (TV, sponsorship), though they would argue that this was used to fund the stadium development. Whatever the reasons, when Ashley bought the club, the holders of the loan notes invoked a change of control clause, forcing the new owner to immediately repay the £45 million outstanding, as opposed to the annual installments until 2016 that he had anticipated.

    Despite his crass behaviour, there is no doubt that Mike Ashley has put his hand in his pocket to keep the club going. The unpalatable truth is that Newcastle United are heavily reliant on the support of their charmless owner. In the last two years, he has put in £111 million of new loans, initially to repay £70 million of expensive bank loans, but also providing £41 million of working capital on top of that (plus the £25.5 million subsequent to the books closing). Looking at the 2009 cash flow statement, his backing was required to help fund a £24 million loss from operating activities plus £17 million of net spend on new players, many of which were signed in previous periods, though most of the shortfall was financed by the increase in the overdraft.

  • 162 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:36 PM

    Yay were saved with MA and his “rescue” of our club.
    We will be in debt forever,makes the Wonga sponsers a perfect fit for us.

    We can look forward to making MA richer through Tv money and players sales not to mention the tackey adverts.With our policy of non competativness you can see just how much of a rosey future we have since we were “saved”by MA.

    I stand by my view that the club is nowhere near where it was as a spoting venture since MA “saved” us.

  • 163 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:37 PM

    More from the Swiss Ramble:

    In contrast to Ashley, the former owners did very nicely out of their investment in Newcastle United, thank you very much. In fact, they absolutely coined it with the Halls (Sir John and Douglas) receiving a total of £95 million over the years, while the Shepherds (Freddy and Bruce) had to make do with £55 million. The Halls’ money comprised £55 million from the sale to Ashley, £20 million from previous share sales (to NTL and the club itself), £15 million from dividends and £5 million in salary payments, while the Shepherds’ money came from £38 million Ashley sale, £7 million dividends and £5 million salaries.

    And what was the result of these staggering payments? After years of rank bad management, they left the club in an appalling mess: a £30 million loss; £70 million of debt plus £27 million owing transfer fees; extremely limited borrowing capacity, as all assets and income streams had already been used to secure loans; and a bloated wage bill of aging mercenaries on generous long-term contracts

  • 164 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:39 PM

    How many of those debts would have been payed through selling advertising inside the ground compared to how much we currently use from that revinue stream?
    At least there would have been an end date to it as atm there isnt one ever is there.

    Were so lucky to have MA and his sterling financial expertise.

  • 165 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:42 PM

    Bam bams
    They are playing at DW-Stadium named after Dave Whelan , they share it with Wigan Warriors – even when they paly Rugby League there there is always advertising at the front when the weather is wet because the stand doesn’t cover the first half dozen seats and folk won’t sit there in the pouring rain.

  • 166 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:43 PM

    Which team was better the one when MA bought us or the current crop?
    The clubs reputaion is in tatters,we are a shamble on and off the field.
    In debt in perpetuity.
    If AS was still on the market today do you think he would have joind the club as it is currently??

    Ma has been a disaster in ever way imaginable apart from him making money from our club for himself and his other buisnesses.

  • 167 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:46 PM

    Why shouldn’t Ashley get richer by risking his money in the club?

    You say, “We can look forward to making MA richer through Tv money and players sales not to mention the tackey adverts.”

    As you know, the TV money, player sales money and anybtacky adverts receipts goes directly to the club.

    How much has Ashley taken out of the club in salary and dividends, which is money the club will never see again? How does it compare to the previous regime which was bleeding the club dry (see above) and ripping off the fans? Remember? They were caught bragging about it.

  • 168 Bambams // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:48 PM

    Thanks for that fella.
    My faith has been repaired….

  • 169 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:49 PM

    Next season TV money is reputedly to be 130 million,how much do you think will go towards that debt ,if we stay in the league?
    I would think half of it going to the club would be wildy over optimistic.
    Im sure MA and his accountants will be able to make that money go the same way as the money from Kebabs or a Mr A Carroll just to name two.

  • 170 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:52 PM

    Qoute “As you know, the TV money, player sales money and anybtacky adverts receipts goes directly to the club. ”

    Where did the money from AC/Kebabs go,SD dont pay a penny due to MA lending himself some money.

    Are we to believe his personal wealth trippling since arriving has in no part anything todo with our club?
    I assume he just loves all the TV attention and hassle from the papers.

  • 171 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:53 PM

    The club under MA is a shambles.
    The only thing thats “better” is MAs personal wealth.

  • 172 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:53 PM

    Remember Freddie’s big time signing? One Michael Owen.

    Ashley could do that now. Could you imagine if he mortgaged the future and gave all the money to Graham Carr to spend on big signings? Gamble on success. It’s an option.

    You could remortgage your house and invest in stocks and shares in a gamble to make a fortune. The benefits of leverage. Do you do it?

  • 173 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:56 PM

    Blackley – the observations of ‘experts’ are not certain predictions of the future, and as FS was a capable businessman if somewhat choice, there’s room to believe he would have used his nous to continue, no matter what you suppose.

    Here’s the embarrassing bit for you – I do help run a limited company. So I understand how a 100% owner can operate one. He can be the sole director, his own secretary, or neither if he delegates, but he does have ownership. His liability is of course, limited. But if he chooses to mitigate his running costs by a directors loan, this can be viewed comparatively as a continuance of buying the company. His losses are mitigated by relaxation on company tax, although VAT transactions would of course still apply. Point is, he has reduced his own spending by self funding, but as a directors loan, he is entitled to it from a sale of assets at any time. I don’t know what you are trying to get at with this but there’s no favour done to anyone but Ashley, by Ashley. It is absolutely an irrelevant detail of his purchase because it has been accomplished.

    There is no such thing as a piffling detail when it comes to a business exploiting it’s revenue paths. Be it £1m or £100m if it’s there to be made it should be made. There’s no such thing as not bothering with a sale. Who you are trying to win over with that I have no idea, but it displays your willingness to invent your own scenario to argue a completely supposed or untrue situation.

    The plain fact is if the company is in toxic debt and relieving it of the onerous interest by a directors loan will enable the finances to go into black over a fixed term secured against assets and virtually guaranteed income so he can retrieve his money even if the club has to be sold piecemeal, then he’d be stupid not to. So he has.

    Croftus’ link is part of the minutae you are chucking at this issue to cloud your weak and uninformed bias point.

    I am not going to go on about this any further because you have cemented for me your love for just another greedy opportunist parasite who masquerades as a benefactor. And you are intransigent, which makes this like talking to “computer says nooooo”

  • 174 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:57 PM

    Again the team,the debt and our reputaion in football has all declined under MA.
    The only thing thats improved is SDs exposure to a global audience.
    Can anyone else rememmber when we used to compete for a Euro/CL place or in the cups?

  • 175 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 9:58 PM

    Remember Freddie’s big time signing? One Michael Owen

    Can you rememmber Alan Shearer ?

  • 176 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:00 PM

    Other bloggers have put you right on that. Read SD’s accounts and brokers and analysts reports on SD. NUFC does not come on the radar.

    I appreciate that you hate Ashley, you have your mind made up and you won’t be persuaded by anyone. But there are folk around the world who read this blog and who don’t contribute who may not be so closed to another view. Who knows? They might consider it a refreshing change to see some balance.

  • 177 AncientC // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:01 PM

    toon22 – Let’s not forget the fact that the only reason St. James’ Park isn’t called the Wonga Area or something similar, is because Wonga have chosen not to use the naming rights they currently possess. I believe that deal runs out in about a year – the stadium naming rights were valued as being worth £3 to £4 million per year, in 2012, so those rights are probably worth a lot more now (even though Wonga do not pay that much).

    Once the Wonga deal runs out, Ashley can change the stadium name back to the ‘SD Arena’ and not charge SD for that either.

  • 178 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:01 PM

    Blackey it seems your point of view is limited to thinking MA has saved our club.
    Mine is the opposite,history has show my view to be correct.


  • 179 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:04 PM

    Not sure the Swiss Ramble counts as a book that one would need to catch up on, but whatever floats ones boat.

    “as it is far from clear that they would have managed to”

    Far from clear, but not implausible .

    Anyway, was there a point you were trying to make with that extract?

    Ashley has invested money? Yep, we know that. That’s what happens when you buy something.

    Without any management / investment the club would have gone under? Basics. Just because Ashley stepped in, doesn’t mean that no one else would have, nor that they wouldn’t have been able to accomplish the same thing or better. Same goes, that it could have been worse or that no one would have stepped in, who knows, but it’s not a forgone conclusion, nor can it be used to champion Ashley.

    He removed the high interest payments of previous loans? Yes, and saddled us with a larger loan, which increases ASHLEYS value of the club, even though the ACTUAL market value remains the same (you see the problem there?). He also, in lieu of interest, gives free advertising to SD (a third party in this supposed setup), which prevents the club from recieiving this money to compete.

    That the previous regime had risked our long term future for immediate success? Bravo. Well known fact. Even those who don’t support Ashley recognise and have said that things needed to change. I’d argue we’ve seen a complete over-correction. It’s no secret that a lot of fans were excited by the arrival of Ashley and what he could achieve. But he hasn’t, nor does he seem interested in doing so, that for me is a huge problem, one that we as fans of this club, should be paying attention to.

    Do you still not get the reaction you recieve on here? Can you answer one question for me? Keeping in mind that this is how it’s coming across, why are you more interested in defending what you call inaccuracies levied against Ashley, rather than focusing on what could be done to get our club to a better place, under an owner you have said you think has no clue and is failing on the footballing side of the club, a said many fans give precedence to. It is a bit bizarre, don’t you think?

  • 180 toon22 // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:04 PM

    He cant change the staduim name as the local council wont let him.
    Iirc he tryed and was rebuffed.
    Blakey in respone to your asseriton that SD dont benefit from free global adverts inside of SJP

  • 181 Sazzer // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:04 PM

    Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang has won the CAF African Footballer of the Year award.

  • 182 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:10 PM

    Which team was better the one when MA bought us or the current crop?

    This question intrigued me.
    The year is 2007
    On 6th May Glenn Roeder resigns after a meeting with the board (there had been sporadic demos since the previous November)
    15th May appointment of Allardyce announced.
    The last game of the season had been 2 days before on Sunday live on Sky
    Ironically away to Watford 1-1 (they were relegated) with Nigel Pearson in charge of us.

    We ended up 13th on 43 points.

    We got knocked out of the Euro last 16 by AzAlkmaar over two legs.

    This was the team against Watford


    You decide which team is better this one or the one next Saturday

  • 183 AncientC // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:12 PM

    On Michael Owen, he was injured on international duty – the club received compensation and bought Obafemi Martins with the money. Not exactly a complete disaster.

  • 184 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:13 PM

    Interesting reading on how much our owners took/take out of Newcastle United.
    Plenty of rumours on what Ashley puts in takes out but here is a breakdown of what the Hall/Shepherd’s took out the club…

    From big spenders to big earners

    Figures compiled with assistance of Ian Ferguson from which I think is now defunct.

    Since Newcastle United were floated on the Stock Exchange in April 1997 the Hall family and Freddy Shepherd have earned from the club as follows:

    Sales of shares by Cameron Hall, Sir John and Douglas Hall’s company:

    December 1998 Sold 6.3% to NTL: £10m

    December 1999 Sold 3.26% to NTL: £5.28m

    December 1999 Douglas Hall sold 0.39% to NTL: £0.57m

    June 2003 Sold 11.4% to Newcastle United itself: £4.5m

    Total earned by Hall family in sales of Newcastle United shares £20.35m

    Sales of shares by Freddy Shepherd Nil

    Shepherd and his brother, Bruce, have increased their shareholding, via their company, Shepherd Offshore, from 7% at the time of flotation to 28% now

    Dividends paid by Newcastle United plc to shareholders 1998-2005

    Total to Halls: £13,698,280

    Total to Shepherds: £5,489,239

    Salary packages paid

    Year Hall Shepherd

    1999 £23,533 £23,533

    2000 £35,000 £75,000

    2001 £110,000 £232,868

    2002 £524,257 £591,639

    2003 £591,667 £668,920

    2004 £635,465 £717,145

    2005 £495,951 £552,954

    Total £2,415,873 £2,862,059

    Totals made from Newcastle United 1999 to 2005

    Sir John, Douglas and Cameron Hall: £36,466,153

    Freddy Shepherd and Shepherd Offshore: £ 8,351,298

    Total £44,817,451

    Totals made from Newcastle United in a 6 year period

    Sir John, Douglas and Cameron Hall: £36,466,153

    Freddy Shepherd and Shepherd Offshore: £ 8,351,298

    Total £44,817,451
    That equals over &7 million per year


    In summary what Shepherd left was a club that was losing over £30m a year, had debts of £70m, had no assets they could borrow more money against, and had a set of players on long, lucrative contracts. Ashley can get rid of the debt but the £30m annual losses with over paid players will take longer to sort out.

  • 185 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:15 PM

    Forgot to say (assumed you’d know) Ashley bought us June 17th the same year

  • 186 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:18 PM

    If we’re going to bring Owen in to the isn’t Ashley better than FS debate, to provide balance, should we not look at Xisco, an Ashley purchase?

    Cost the club around £15m in fees and wages. played a handful of games and got 1 goal.

    £15m for 1 goal from a striker. What was Owens conversion rate (Finance / goals)?

  • 187 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:19 PM

    It makes you wonder what might have happened if Ashley had cancelled everything Fat Freddy had done and not appointed Allardyce.

  • 188 WWSBRD // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:27 PM

    Is this why people support Newcastle now to discuss the clubs accounts?

  • 189 lesh // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:27 PM


    Alan Kennedy our best LB ever?

    What about Frank Ckark, right footed but he could tame wingers.

  • 190 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:28 PM

    Can someone explain to me why the previous regime is so important to the here and now, other than to point out previous regimes have got stuff wrong too, I don’t get the point?

    In the past, fans have stood up against those regimes too, no?

    All it proves is that no one should be trusted just because they own our club, and that over time and with fan pressure, change can come about. As always, whether it’s good or bad change remains to be seen.

    Always worth remembering that of the squad that got relegated, Ashleys NUFC has received over £22m in PROFIT (purchase minus sales price) from that very squad Out of a 45 man squad, 20 were from before Ashley, 25 had been purchased under Ashleys reign).

  • 191 Belfast // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:29 PM

    Sit over here and get drunk with me.

  • 192 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:32 PM

    You’ve done nothing but embarrass yourself their fella. All along you have been trying to draw me out to set me up for a fall. You have carefully crafted your responses for a knock down. You then think you lay the killer blow by declaring that you actually have first hand experience because you “help” a company owner. You have debated in an underhand manner in not in full openness and in a disingenuos way.

    You assume that because you have first hand knowledge and experience in helping a company owner that nobody else can have such knowledge and experience. I don’t declare my qualifications in order to win an argument. It’s cringeworthy and defeats the purpose.

    You then trot out a load of facts that are designed to sound knowledgeable but they add nothing, absolutely nothing, to advance the discussion. It all has nothing to do with your point. Because you say,

    “Point is, he has reduced his own spending by self funding, but as a directors loan, he is entitled to it from a sale of assets at any time. I don’t know what you are trying to get at with this but there’s no favour done to anyone but Ashley, by Ashley. It is absolutely an irrelevant detail of his purchase because it has been accomplished.”

    What on earth does that mean? Please explain it.

    Listen fella. Don’t take notice of me. Read the Swiss Ramble. Explain how your ramble answers it.

    “Ashley’s loans have been critical to the club’s survival, as it is far from clear that they would have managed to secure refinancing from the debt market.”

    As for Croftus’ link, it gives a good platform to judge the loss of advertising revenues. I don’t know why you want to ignore it. Perhaps you could use it to show how massive is the loss? Then again …

  • 193 WWSBRD // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:35 PM

    Whey aye that’s more my going haha

  • 194 JamesToon // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:41 PM

    Soccer sauce saying we’ve made contact with Swansea for Shelvey and that they want £10m. Apparently mcclaren is desperate for him.

    I reckon with Curtis being appointed manager till the end of the season Shelvey will most likely leave this month

  • 195 beermonkey // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:48 PM


    I hope there right anita is injured and colback and tiote pick up cards like a magician, we do lack options in the middle

  • 196 Belfast // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:51 PM

    James sadly I think they just make it up looking at their page. Would be a signing though.

  • 197 bettyswallocks // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:51 PM

    I think Shelvey is coming to us.

  • 198 Belfast // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:52 PM

    Good signing

  • 199 lesh // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:52 PM


    I suppose you were having a happy new year ’til you near fell asleep trawling through the debt/ loans/ advertising debate.

    Perhaps the pro-Ashley camp going to start a ‘Beatify Ashley’ campaign? Just imagine him as St Micheal of St James’s. It’s got a nice ring to it don’t you think?

  • 200 bettyswallocks // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:54 PM

    Apparently we are still negotiating for Lacazette as well. I do believe that mc is a fair judge of a footballer so let’s hope he has some influence.

  • 201 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:55 PM

    Blackley you come across as an controversial man and nothing more. I do more than make coffee and keep the printer in paper. Between myself, the owner and one other person we run the company. Sorry if it’s intimidating but there it is.

    First of all forget FFS, what might have happened didn’t because he did something important to save his own money, and the club, he found a buyer. So that’s the end of that episode. He didn’t ruin the club. Nearly doesn’t count.

    So you say Ashley made millions and built an empire walking through cellar doors blindfold. Very good. I’m not buying that idea. I live in the real world.

    Simple stuff –

    Now Ashley owns his own stately home. He’s paid off his mortgage. So now the entrance money finally puts the stately home in the black.

    Next his gardeners have started growing produce, fruit and veg that can be sold to a local store and the books will really look great, they might be able to afford an extension, extra staff. Higher wages even.

    But hang on, the homeowner doesn’t care about all that market garden stuff, let’s just give it away to the supermarket. The staff are disappointed because he could do a lot more with the money, including pay raises and better working conditions, but hey ho he’s the owner.

    But as it happens, the homeowner is also co-owner of the supermarket… aaahhhh…

    In the end, two things remain. He owns the house. We are the paying visitors.

  • 202 Jib // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:56 PM

    I’ve heard McClaren likes ’em shaved 😎
    I liked Frank Clark he wasn’t as bad as some would have it (I’ll tell you a story about him at Jinky’s wedding reception at the Gossy Park one day)
    But for me Kennedy and Nattrass were magic – it’s all personal opinion of course.

  • 203 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2016 at 10:56 PM

    I need a drink. Ah here’s one. ( lifts egg nog glass) cheers Belfast! How are you getting along with Schnorbitz?

  • 204 Belfast // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:08 PM

    No complaints from me while the egg nog remains topped up skunki

  • 205 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:09 PM


    Sorry. I got a call in the middle of responding to you earlier, and post an unfinished response. I now log back on to find:

    “Sorry if it’s intimidating but there it is.”

    Hahaha. Belter. Surely even you can laugh at yourself there.

    So now you give a little more information. However, it’s not clear in where your expertise lies? Qualifications? Corporate Law? Accountancy? Tax?

    I read a bit of the stately home bit, but didn’t get it on first reading. I’m going to have another go.

    You’ve lightened my mood considerably since you popped back on. Let me see if I can find any more delights when I have a re-read.

    I think we’d be good mates if we met.

  • 206 bettyswallocks // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:09 PM

    Tsunki…… Naughty boy, you know it’s called advocate. You ought to be thoroughly ashamed of yourself and if you get a spanking from you know who, it’s nothing less than you deserve.

  • 207 Belfast // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:10 PM

    Would go down well with some magic mushrooms though in my opinion.

  • 208 bettyswallocks // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:10 PM

    Tsunki… Advocaat

  • 209 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:12 PM

    How did I miss this one?

    “I do more than make coffee and keep the printer in paper.”

    Woo hoo. All time classic! Comedy Gold. You’ve got to laugh. Even you. Surely? Come on fella. Crack a smile. You know you want to.

  • 210 Belfast // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:12 PM

    Who’s spanking who Betty ? Might stick around for that.

  • 211 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:14 PM


    FFS found a buyer? Correct me if I’m wrong. FFS was in hospital. He didn’t want to sell. He hated the idea. Hall left him little choice. FFS was furious.

  • 212 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:18 PM


    This stately home business? Do they drink egg nogs there? Is that the craic? How many egg nogs have you had tonight?

  • 213 bettyswallocks // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:18 PM

    Belfast….. She seems to be in CP mode tonight and Tsunkis comment is definitely a punishable offence.

  • 214 ronaldo aarons // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:23 PM

    I wouldn’t mind shelvey tbh, but I’d much prefer to put £10 million towards going for johannes geis of schalke. Much better all round player and feel he would be a better dm for us than shelvey.

  • 215 jane // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:24 PM

    doesn’t seem to be much attention being given to Watford match at least on this page probably those topics will start coming tomorrow. I think this is a very important match as the FA cup is a great opportunity for success more than the league. it will be very interesting to see the teams both teams play and how many changes. I’ve got a good feeling my prediction is 1-1 draw.

  • 216 lochinvar // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:26 PM

    various comments earlier about the stadium development and land nearby, this was the latest position:

    Probably puts the mockers on extending the Gallowgate stand unless the road is turned into an under pass or closed ( both possible ) but the new offices etc look to be too close and too high to allow the stadium to be developed.

    In that situation does Ashley have a cunning plan to sell not just NUFC but St. James’ Park and build us a new 40,000 multi purpose arena at Kingston Park or some wind swept industrial estate on the outskirts of town ?

    Scary thought,

  • 217 lesh // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:27 PM


    Nattress was a good un. Didn’t he play at the same time as Barraclough?

    And where did he and Stuart Barraclough come from?

  • 218 Belfast // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:36 PM

    Oh she’s not too happy because Krul for kind nailed her to the blog fence last night I think betty.

    You didn’t hear that from me by the way 🙂

  • 219 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:42 PM

    Tsunki/ OurToon

    I knew I read it somewhere. The Swiss Ramble.

    “Incoming chairman Chris Mort criticised the old board, “If they had not been successful in refinancing the club by the end of the year, it would have folded like a pack of cards.” Admittedly, he had a vested interest, but his view was endorsed by Vinay Bedi from stockbrokers Brewin Dolphin, “Ashley bought a club that was financially going nowhere with debts increasing as player transfers built up. It was a difficult situation – it was hard to see how the club could be turned round quickly without a huge injection of cash.”

    Mort is a solicitor. He doesn’t get involved with making the coffee or changing the paper in the printer, I don’t suppose. Nevertheless. Forget his office duties and his professional ethics. He’s Ashley’s man so we’ll not lend much credence to him.

    Bedi on the other hand should know something about these things, although I don’t know his office duties and responsibilites. Perhaps we should write him off? Class him as controversial. Yeah. Controversial.

  • 220 bettyswallocks // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:44 PM

    Belfast……… That’ll be the cane for you young man.

  • 221 Ibizatoon // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:46 PM

    Blackley…It still only states the opinion that the finances were in a bad way…a point no one is arguing with.

    “If they had…” and “it was hard to see how” still doesn’t state that it couldn’t have been done. Just that there was a problem when Ashley stepped in. Again, not a point that is being argued.

  • 222 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:49 PM

    Blackley you’ve gone over the edge as advertised. You’re a bit of a crank frankly. You actually think your ridicule is a laudable attempt to decry what I’ve said,well fine enjoy your crass infantile moment. What a bore. I’ve done nothing but state facts and simplified it do you can state your fantastic point. You don’t like the idea that by design or default FS managed to find a buyer and bowed out, leaving Ashley to reconcile and consolidate his purchase. Now he’s done it he is a business owner, serving himself. It hurts that you are just a paying customer and no more, and the fragility of your situation is the same as everyone else’s, that he can and does do with nufc as he pleases, and the customers just keep lining up. He’s not here to serve you it’s the other way round. As such he’s no benefactor, deliverer, saviour, nothing. It may hurt but it’s fact.

    Now do us all a favour and refrain from kidding everyone you know what you are talking about by shouting over the top of people who talk sense. You clang and whine but you fool nobody, it tired one blog, it’s tiring another, just get the message, you are not the single sane man in a mad world.

  • 223 Tsunki // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:51 PM

    The daft thing is there’s a host of us trying all angles to explain to Blackley he’s a gobs###te but he knows he is, he just loves to persist. I’m done with the wum.

  • 224 Belfast // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:53 PM

    Ok Betty for I have sinned I do apologie and the only way I can truly show my loyalty and gratification is….

    Drum rolls

    God save our gracious Queen!
    Long live our noble Queen!
    God save the Queen!
    Send her victorious,
    Happy and glorious,
    Long to reign over us,
    God save the Queen.

    Goodnight got bless

  • 225 Belfast // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:56 PM

    Forgive the spelling mistakes it’s the thought that counts

  • 226 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 7, 2016 at 11:57 PM

    Are you beavering away, bashing the keyboard? Or has the egg nog knocked you out, fella.

    Old Blackley is simply quoting a solicitor and a stockbroker. Tsunki’s response to them:

    “First of all forget FFS, what might have happened didn’t because he did something important to save his own money, and the club, he found a buyer. So that’s the end of that episode. He didn’t ruin the club. Nearly doesn’t count.

    So you say Ashley made millions and built an empire walking through cellar doors blindfold. Very good. I’m not buying that idea. I live in the real world.”

    So Tsunki. Your response to what was happening under FFS? He found a buyer. [He was in hospital, Tsunki. He was desperate not to sell.] So that’s the end of that episode, Mr Bedi. Any sugar with your coffee, Mr Bedi?

    On Ashley, Me Bedi. “Point is, he has reduced his own spending by self funding, but as a directors loan, he is entitled to it from a sale of assets at any time. I don’t know what you are trying to get at with this but there’s no favour done to anyone but Ashley, by Ashley. It is absolutely an irrelevant detail of his purchase because it has been accomplished.”

    That is the point, Mr Bedi. Would you like an egg nog?

  • 227 lesh // Jan 8, 2016 at 12:01 AM

    Verbose and persistent arguments and there’s one who’s labouring the points.

    Could Blackley be yet another incarnation of Jib, Jeff, Jane?

  • 228 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2016 at 12:17 AM

    Ibiza @221
    That’s right. The independent analyst, whose view Tsunki dismisses out of hand, could have said many things. What he did say was enough to paint a pretty bleak picture, compatible with Mort’s verdict, which itself was consistent with the figures and the information known about the finances, as set out by the Swiss Rambler.

    Tsunki says, “The daft thing is there’s a host of us trying all angles to explain to Blackley he’s a gobs###te but he knows he is, he just loves to persist. I’m done with the wum.”

    A whole host of people? That will be you Tsunki, OurToon, you Ibiza, and one or two others. We know too that Tsunki “helps” the owner of a company so that’s got to carry some weight if not carry the day.

    On the other hand, I quote Mort, Bedi, and the Swiss Rambler. And that’s just what I found in 15 minutes.

    Posada and one or two others on here are supportive. Not easy getting anyone to say anything favourable about Ashley on here. They no doubt keep their heads down to avoid the inevitable aggravation. Much easier in the real world of SJP where opinion is split. That’s of course a different real world to the real world that Tsunki boasts about living in.

  • 229 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2016 at 12:19 AM

    To be clear, I’m not saying Posada is supportive of Ashley. But supportive of the point I was making yesterday about due diligence.

  • 230 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2016 at 12:27 AM

    When you’re in the minority, you end up debating with half a dozen bloggers against you at the same time. Freedom of speech, I say.

    I’m off the blog for periods but check in from time to time. You can almost guarantee that you will find the same people, quite a few, exchanging insults with each other, sometimes vile insults.

    I come on trying to bring some balance to the extreme anti- ashley bias, and I get pilloried. Apparently, I’m spoiling the blog for some. It interrupts the speculation on player signings. I don’t want to do that so I’ll get off for a while. I’ve got to crack on anyway. I’m looking forward to reading my books.

  • 231 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2016 at 12:29 AM

    Blackley…In a post directed at me, you sure did mention Tsunki a lot. Does he have a big part in you not playing the man?

    Again, no one is arguing that bleak picture. Nor are they denying that Ashley was the man who stepped in.

    That’s the point where it all goes a bit t*ts up. I don’t see why we should be grateful to Ashley for simply buying us at that time.

    I think you’re being pedantic with people, such as Tsunki. No, FS didn’t find Ashley (a buyer), but it did get sold, therefore, as Tsunki said, that’s the end of the matter. We didn’t do a Leeds. Surely that’s enough to prove it wasn’t a forgone conclusion that we would do a Leeds – We didn’t. Ashley was the man that stepped in, but we can’t say he would have been the only one.

    Again, all that the Swiss Rambler quotes did was paint that bleak picture you refer to, they do not prove anything other than change was needed. Which has been agreed.

    As for your pedantic jibe about “a host”….come on. The same could be said about the pro Ashley arguers. There is a core group of posters from either camp (if we must consider them camps or such) and a whole host in the middle, who for varying reasons (not just those you state) don’t weigh in on the debate.

    I just realised I didn’t address you in a post earlier @ 179, did you see it?

  • 232 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2016 at 12:30 AM

    Enjoy your reading Blackley.

  • 233 Mister Tuff // Jan 8, 2016 at 12:42 AM


    It would appear that Ed has been worried about the drastic falling off in numbers of bloggers over the last 2 evenings.

    He was not aware of what was taking place on the blog –
    tales of fraud, money laundering, secret payments tax evasion, lust and hatred.
    His blog was acting as a cinema and showing that non blockbuster:-
    ***DUE DILIGENCE ——- The Movie***

    Starring Blackley as the villainous Mr Tubbs.
    and Tsunki and Our Toon as themselves.

    Please lads and lasses – please no more due diligence for the sake of sanity of Toon fans.

  • 234 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2016 at 12:45 AM

    Tuff…Must give you your dues, very diligent of you there.

  • 235 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2016 at 12:46 AM

    Sorry. I missed your earlier post. Your argument seemscto be this could gave happened, that could have happened. You have to look at what did happen and what events could reasonably be foreseeable. The argument that Freddie did a good thing by selling because Freddie was no good is a strange one indeed.

    I could deal with each and every point you make but I think any reader will be well aware now of my stance.

    You could well be right about where folk’s opinions lie and it’s not as I perceive. Very many have kept out, probably because it’s not their bag, possibly because they don’t want the aggro I get. However, I rarely notice anyone say anything favourable about Ashley on this blog, unlike the world that I inhabit.


  • 236 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2016 at 12:48 AM

    Tuff @233
    Hahaha. Like it.

    What do you reckon the main topic will be? What do you think will happen in this window?

  • 237 Mister Tuff // Jan 8, 2016 at 12:55 AM

    Ibiza/Blackley evening – even though I say it myself -a quality gag.

    Blackley – at least £30 million spent. 2 better known and a couple of lesser known players – straight into the team though.
    No change in the hierarchy – regrettably.

  • 238 Ibizatoon // Jan 8, 2016 at 12:56 AM

    Blackley…Your arguement that Ashley buying us prevented us from possibly doing a Leeds is any different? All any of us can do is point to what could have happened when talking about the old state of the club and it’s owner at the time, as Ashley did buy the club, so we’ll never know. One may have been more likely than the other, if things had continued as they were, but the point is change could have come in different shapes and sizes than it did.

    Hence why I earlier asked what point was to be made by going on about the previous regime?

    I didn’t make the point that FS did a good thing. Did I?

    I am intrigued to know about these good things people say about Ashley in your World, but I’d hate to keep you from your books.

    Maybe next time you’re on you can send us a simple list of good things Ashley has done? I’ll start you off…

    1) An interest free loan – Uh oh, here we go again.

  • 239 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 8, 2016 at 1:00 AM

    I wouldn’t trust Carr to spend my Tesco Clubcard points never mind £30m. Someone said it’s the most important transfer window in the club’s history. No pressure then.

    Goodnight. Defo off this time.

  • 240 Mister Tuff // Jan 8, 2016 at 2:04 AM

    Blackley – for all we know old man Carr could be recommending (as his first choice) top players/prospective superstars to Penfold/Tubbs and it is those two who say no.
    We unfortunately just do not know – and probably never will.

  • 241 davis_toons // Jan 8, 2016 at 4:43 AM

    Allardyce, who is now preparing for his first home game in charge of Sunderland this weekend, claims Newcastle pulled the plug on a deal for Luka Modric.

    Allardyce also said: “We tried for Leighton Baines at Wigan and Phil Jagielka at Sheffield United but I got Jose Enrique from Villareal and eventually Habib Beye from Marseille and Abdoulaye Faye from Bolton on transfer deadline day.

    Signing of players might be the doing of Carr as well …

    No matter what. Keep the faith. Stay afloat. Wait for our chances.

    ..the (financial) cart is ready; we’ll wait for the horses (players).

  • 242 terencelim // Jan 8, 2016 at 5:08 AM

    Same old Ashley ass lickers. Talking about if and but all the time while ignoring the current facts. Typical losers.

  • 243 Jail for Ashley // Jan 8, 2016 at 5:31 AM

    Well roughly this time three years ago we were in Bali and there was doom and gloom and we went and signed the five French men who ultimately saved us from the drop so here’s hoping.
    Wtf has happened to Blackley, he hasn’t been this bullish since he stood on the steps of the Gallowgate entrance dressed as a parrot and offering to fight boycotters. He’s gone from slating Costco? and Makro and all things Mashley to now saying he’s the best thing since sliced bread, four relegation battles in eight years and it’s all Fat Freddies fault, three of those battles have been since finishing fifth.
    Carl and Jack Root ??
    As far as I remember carl was an IT friend of Ian Toon who ‘met’ with him occasionally now he’s this geet awld blowk who remembers the steam rising off the back of the bloke in front of him trousers ?
    Jack Root seems determined to talk football which is refreshing change from heaping praise on Belfast and snipi g at me.

  • 244 davis_toons // Jan 8, 2016 at 5:42 AM

    If Valencia (the selling club in spain) is able to come back; we will too. (MA needs to find the right people to work with)

    MA – 5.5 billion USD
    PeterLim – 1.91 billion USD

    we can’t be in such a bad state. I believe we need at least 2 more right players to turn us into a better team.

    While running, youth development. We need to be more competitive in terms of remuneration packages that’s what we can do for now to breed success.

    If we cant even compete in youth remuneration packages whats there to talk about developing quality youth.

  • 245 davis_toons // Jan 8, 2016 at 6:03 AM

    Wouldn’t mind loosing out this a coach but success breed success.
    9 Jan – FA Cup Third round
    Watford vs Newcastle

    4 Days Later
    13 Jan – Premier League
    Newcastle vs Man United (draw/loss)

    …3 Days later
    16 Jan – Premier League
    Newcastle vs West Ham (Win/Draw)

    23 Jan – Premier League
    Watford vs Newcastle (Win /draw)

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