Clear Out Begins But Making Money The Priority Again


News in the Mail today that Newcastle expect to sell 29 year-old Cheick Tiote for a high £8M to Shanghai Shenhua today.

We’d much prefer that Cheick stay with us through the end of the season, as we pointed out yesterday, but if the fee is really £8M that’s £4.5M more than we paid for the Ivory Coast International five and a half years ago from FC Twente.

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Cheick Tiote – could be leaving Newcastle

And there has been news today that Lille are keen on getting Yoan Gouffran back to France and he is said to be discussing a move.

The news is that Steve McClaren is reluctant to allow Tiote to leave because Cheick can still contribute to the team.

And that’s the problem at Newcastle – the manager is judged on the results – yet those above him decide when players will leave and when they leave.

They leave when Newcastle get a good enough deal top sell – regardless of the impact on the squad.

That’s ridiculous.

Unfortunately, we expect the deal to go through because it’s good business and once again making money takes precedence over the strength of the squad.

No wonder we cannot be successful on the field and we may still be relegated this season.

Florian Thauvin may also leave for a loan deal back to Marseille, as we reported this morning.

But even in this case Newcastle should be protecting themselves and maybe they only give the go ahead to Florian if and when we get Andros Townsend in from Spurs.

It’s about time the strength of the squad took precedence over everything else – and then we may be able to put a decent team on the field rather than fighting relegation.

The way this club is run makes it very difficult for a manager to be successful – and therefore it would be very difficult to attract a top manager to Tyneside, and maybe that’s why we didn’t bother last summer.

Comments welcome.


219 comments so far

  • ochytoon

    Jan 14, 2016 at 5:37 PM

    Comment #1

    £8 mil is way above his market value so I have no issues with this deal. He’s been solid for us but too injury prone over the last couple seasons and seemingly uncommitted. Think we’ll be ok till the end of the season with the 4 cm’s we have now

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  • mattyNUFC

    Jan 14, 2016 at 5:41 PM

    Comment #2

    yes, ed,

    maybe that’s why

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  • JackButler

    Jan 14, 2016 at 5:42 PM

    Comment #3

    Clearing out players should happen but not at a point when we are in a fight for our bloody lives. How stupid are the powers that be at the club, that’s is a rhetorical question by the way, we are selling Tiote and banking on Saivet making an instant impact as if he doesn’t we are left with Anita and Coldback who are a big part of the reason we are where we are.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Jan 14, 2016 at 5:47 PM

    Comment #4

    I think alot players fail here because they don’t fit into how this club is run and how we play. Payet would have failed here just like Cabella and Thauvin if you ask me.

    We buy players who shined in a different system and either play them differently or out of position. Add the coaching and then you have the perfect recipe for failure.

    To me it’s easy to spot. To some of you it’s poor scouting and the players are flops.

    I’ll agree it’s poor buying seeing as these players don’t match the club. Hardly their fault.

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  • magscar

    Jan 14, 2016 at 5:47 PM

    Comment #5

    REPOST my timing as ever impeccable 🙂

    143 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:35 PM

    If you accept that Carr is working to a remit set by the Board/Ashley and that given how long he has been here and his recent elevation he surely understands exactly what is required of him.

    Many seem to think that his priority ( if not his only instruction) is to recommend younger players with a sell on value. That being so then it follows that any player on his so called list has to at the very least fulfill that essential criteria.

    So regardless of where Thauvin was on his list ( and he wasn’t by any means a cheap import like say Amalfitano) he must have been there on the basis that we could make a profit in due course. Much the same argument would have applied last year to Cabella and Riviere. Yet here we are again under a different manager with players not able to make headway in the PL. Is Carr watching too much French and Dutch football that he has forgotten how different the PL is and what is therefore required to turn a profit on a £12-14M player from France.

    I believe that if that is the transfer blueprint then it is and always was flawed. Now Carr as an intelligent footballing man with more power than any other chief scout current or past is in prime position to argue the case with Ashley that it has to change.

    Perhaps he has and failed but surely not as he hasn’t resigned yet (as some feel is the only option to those with “integrity” even if on an 8 year contract with not a chance of getting an equivalent job) or maybe he finds it easier to stick to what may have been his major selling point to Ashley as his chief scout and moneymaker and keep his head down.

    There are signs that the policy if not changing has been tweaked with the Shelvey signing ( Mac starting to make his play) but surely Ashley has to be asking questions about Cabella and Thauvin if only driven by “why am I losing money again”.

    The only person in a position to fully answer that is surely Carr as even though Charnley does the deal then the only person with football knowledge and able to pitch a players value has to be Carr. Clubs tend to have lists of players within certain value ranges for different positions and loans etc and the information that feeds those lists has to come from someone with football knowledge and it wasn’t AP previously nor Mac up – until now perhaps?

    If as we are told Ashley holds a post-mortem at the end of each season Carr is going to have to do some really hard selling I think if he is to stay in power

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  • hibbitt

    Jan 14, 2016 at 5:48 PM

    Comment #6

    the big problem with carr is to much power board member chief scout and by all accounts director of football by far the most powerful man at the club in my mind just doing to many jobs…. chief scout should not be on the board ever

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  • croftus5678

    Jan 14, 2016 at 5:56 PM

    Comment #7

    as much as i like tiote and that he’s more effective than any other dm we have i think 8mil is a cracking deal for us !

    he’s getting on now and thats prob why we have his replacement allready but i think the main reason i dont mind so much if he goes is the fact he always scares me he will get sent off or will make a very stupid foul in a very dangerous area.

    and poor thauvin with some fans giving him grief and writing him off when he’s shown he’s got quality and done nothing wrong imo in the very short time he’s been here and yet siem has shown nothing for longer yet it’s shouted we give him more games !

    the difference imo is a lot of us wanted siem here but we did not want thauvin ! imo thauvin is a lot better than siem is for the team and i’ll openly admit i was wrong about siem and thauvin atm as thauvin is showing a lot more class than siem.

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  • JackButler

    Jan 14, 2016 at 5:57 PM

    Comment #8

    Jesper

    Most scouts sign players to fit in a certain system and come with the right physical and technical attributes so suit that league. Carr’s signing come because of they are at the end of their contracts so they are cheap and constitute a good deal but he persists with the same type of player eg Cabella and Thauvin.

    In truth he has wasted tens of millions on players that were never right for this club or league and that comes down to him as it interesting to know that the vast majority of French players we have signed are all represented by the same agency.

    The likes of Cabaye, Tiote, Ba, Remy and Gini were all no brainers as they were all stand out players in their leagues, but when he goes beyond that type of player he has failed at just about every single turn

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  • toon kk

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #9

    I’m not so sure if we’ll bring any more new signings in, Mash may just take a chance now.
    The board have a aughful habit of turning a blind eye to our major weaknesses. We need goals and our defence is still fragile.

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  • Our Toon

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #10

    Let’s be honest here, everyone is speculating on this Carr thing. I personally think he has no power, much like JFK before him Carr is a figure head to point the finger at.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:03 PM

    Comment #11

    JB…when McC was hired the perception wad that we had a manager that played accordingly to what we bought.

    Continental and a more fluent style. The players bought fitted that. McC players more British it seems than Pardew. The lesson here is get a manager that fits the system.

    I think you guys have it the wrong way around. I’ll agree the club is to blame because they implement the system and hired the manager.

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  • JackButler

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:04 PM

    Comment #12

    Our toon

    He’s head scout, board member and is calling the shots on all signings, at least until this window to say he’s a figure head is simply wrong. Pardew and Carr didn’t speak as they we always at loggerheads over who he was signing. Beyond Ashley, Carr and Charnley are running the entire show

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  • mactoon

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #13

    A Manager would never be successful at the current Newcastle set up, because Ashley has employed a coach who simply gets a set of players to make into a team. No Manager would agree to come to such a set up.

    And ‘those above McClaren’ don’t make the decision when players leave, he is part of the process as a member of the board. The problem is he is only one vote out of four when he should actually have the final say if he is to be accountable for the results

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  • nufc 11

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #14

    Carr should be hauled to court over signing thauvin something stinks to high heaven about that deal.

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  • JackButler

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #15

    Jesper

    The issue is that the system they want is redundant in this league, this league is about pace and power and we have very little of either, we are the only club on this league where the scout dictates what happens.

    Look at Palace under Pardew, arguably the best counter attacking side in the league with massive pace to exploit space and it’s no secret that AP and Carr didn’t get along as they argues constantly over signings.

    If you employ an manager and expect him to get results and performances then that manager has to have the final say on who he gets to coach to have a scout dictate that is madness

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #16

    As I understood it AP was involved with transfers as he famously thanked himself.
    I thought the manager said what ”type” of players he wanted without necessarily getting the actual players he wanted and then carr would work down the list.

    kk

    8m for a 30 yr old is amazing . Almost as much as we may have got for him in his prime. Throw in he’s mostly injured / disinterested / off to ACON and we have 2 new CMs makes a lot of sense to sell now.

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  • Our Toon

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:11 PM

    Comment #17

    Jack

    He makes recommendations and the Ashley decides who to buy, they could be 1st targets or 12th on the list or lower. The point remains he’s appointed to a board by name but doesn’t necessarily mean he actually has as much influence as alot seem to think. Surprised you actually believe what comes out of the PR room at SJP these days.

    Let’s not forget you and I have been lied to about everything else. If pardew was at loggerheads as reported then why is he interested in more players Carr apparently bought into the club than signing his own style players?

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  • AncientC

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:11 PM

    Comment #18

    “The likes of Cabaye, Tiote, Ba, Remy and Gini were all no brainers as they were all stand out players in their leagues”

    JackButler, as were Cabella, De Jong, Riviere, Janmaat, and Mbiwa.

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  • Our Toon

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:12 PM

    Comment #19

    Mac toon

    It’s common practice in continental football, a coach is a coach, others buy players and his hob is to make them fit.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:12 PM

    Comment #20

    nufc 11

    you’re not wrong. something is very off there.

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  • toon kk

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:13 PM

    Comment #21

    Our toon
    I think its a fifty fifty split between MA and Carr. Carr is our scout but MA will give him restrictions and have the final say on transfers.

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  • Our Toon

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:14 PM

    Comment #22

    Jack

    What utter nonsense are you talking about mate, pardew already had them players at palace, pace and counter attacking. He didn’t buy Zaha or Bolasie or Puncheon….get a a grip mate. Without Bolasie they’ve lost 4 on the trot in the league

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  • Our Toon

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:15 PM

    Comment #23

    Toon KK

    That’s the point I’m making, how does anyone know if these are no1 targets or 12th

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  • banjax

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:16 PM

    Comment #24

    Tiote for £8m – sell. Thauvin on loan after £13m spent – Sack Carr. Gouffran sale – Sell him. Rivierre – sell. Buy – Townsend. Buy Berainho. Or Buy Austin. Definitely Remy on Loan. Buy Two Defenders. Sell Taylor and Williamson. Sack McLaren – hire Bentez. Replace Charnley.

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  • JackButler

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:17 PM

    Comment #25

    Ancient

    Jannmatt was and he’s done very well, Cabella was seen and a decent player nothing more, Ajax were glad to find someone willing to pay to get him, listen to de Boers interview after he left where he said the player would not be missed as he was never fit enough to play, Rivière was never a stand out player and Mbiwa was a decent signing, if you go off what headed in France but simply didn’t work out but there is an argument that he should not have been sold when he was and he certainly never been deployed as a full back.

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  • JackButler

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:18 PM

    Comment #26

    Our toon

    I’m not saying he signed the players he now has, but those players have massive pace while Carr doesn’t sign players with pace, that’s the difference

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  • p

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:19 PM

    Comment #27

    I think Ashley was – understandably – alarmed at the state in which recruiting overpaid has-beens looking only to enhance their retirement funds had on the club both financially and on the field. Duff, Owen, the list is endless.

    There was an over correction as often is the case with a strategy around getting low cost, hungry players that will have higher sell on values.

    On the face of it a sound strategy but of course, the reality is new need a blend of experienced and younger ambitious players in that respect. In other respects you want players with the right attitude and players who can do a certain job in a certain system.

    This was somewhat neglected by the board but, they do seem to be addressing that to an extent but, only really to a small extent.

    It’s a tough business football, you can have all the money in the world and not do particularly well (Chelsea and Man utd this season) or very little and do well e.g. Leicester.

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  • Thump

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:20 PM

    Comment #28

    £8m for Tiote?

    I’ll give him a lift to the airport if he wants.

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  • Sazzer

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:20 PM

    Comment #29

    We haven’t lost any money on Thauvin yet and we lost at most £2.2m on Cabella.

    I’m sure Wijnaldum, Mitro, Mbemba is worth more than £2.2m these days.

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  • AncientC

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:20 PM

    Comment #30

    JackButler, the players mentioned had ‘stand out’ stats for Ligue 1 and the Dutch League, players with similar stats in the Premier League would cost double easily.

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  • JackButler

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:21 PM

    Comment #31

    Out toon

    As for believe the clubs PR, no mate, sorry, but all the summer players were coming in as Carver said so himself and that was before SM was even appointed and Saivet was scouted for a long time by Carr according to SM

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  • magscar

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:21 PM

    Comment #32

    Our Toon

    If as I have posed Carr’s remit is to list players who can turn a profit why would there be a player whom we paid £12-14M on it for other than we should be able to make profit.Mind boggles at thought he might have been 12th on a list at that price. Who did we skip!?

    Rotonda

    If AP is a liar then why would you believe his comment re his involvement in the transfer he thanked himself for.

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  • toon kk

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:21 PM

    Comment #33

    Rotonda
    I agree 8 mill is a great price for Tiote but let’s not forget we’re in a serious relegation battle, personally although I don’t think he’s what he used to be, he’s still very important squad member. There’s other players that are of basically no addition should be moved on first.

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  • p

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:23 PM

    Comment #34

    btw make your choice Tiote or Saivet, you can’t have both. There are limits to your squad size.

    personally, I don’t think Saivet can be much worse than Tiote as he is today (forget 4years ago)

    and perhaps that might not be the right comparison. Shelvey could be the Tiote replacement and Saivet my be replacing someone worse like Gouffran or Oberton

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  • Small World

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:23 PM

    Comment #35

    Real non – argument here about keeping Tiote.

    Shelvey is nailed on for a central role. Leaving

    Tiote, Saivet, Anita and Colback competing for one other place. That then assumes neither Sissoko or Gini are going to play either wide or in a more advanced position. Then looking at all of the discards we have like Marv, Gouff and Obertan – we are grossly overstaffed in midfield. Perez / Aarons need to be brought into account to.

    It’s a case of Thanks Tiote, you were great for a couple of seasons – but are now a liability in terms of passing ability and simply strolling around picking up cards. Goodbye.

    Hell we get a good fee for him, and he gets one last big payday. Should be happy days all around and both parties benefit from the move.

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:24 PM

    Comment #36

    magscar

    fair point

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  • Our Toon

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:26 PM

    Comment #37

    JB

    Carver told the world the obvious news, we’d be signing players as the squad was utter dross last year. Mike came out said he’d bolt the horse yet the defence hasn’t been sorted. Sorry mate but every time a statement is released its to appease people in my eyes. Can you think of anytime they’ve come out and told the truth?

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  • Rotonda heights

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:26 PM

    Comment #38

    banjax

    agree with all, except townsend

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  • JackButler

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:28 PM

    Comment #39

    Ancient

    Rivière scored around forty goals in nearly five years in France, hardly stand out, the season before he joins us he scored around thirteen goals if my memory serves me right, SDJ has a massive injury list, serious injuries as well yet we still signed him? Cabella was watched by just about every single club in the league and not one were prepared to take the chance of but Carr did and it backfired but he then replaces him with an even bigger, and more expensive gamble that has again backfired as reports not have Thauvin wanting out

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  • JamesToon

    Jan 14, 2016 at 6:28 PM

    Comment #40

    If Tiote is still here I’d start him and Shelvey. Reason being people say Saivet is a holding midfielder but he’s 5″9 which is pretty much same size as Colback and Anita, is he gonna be any better? Would he cope with payet better than Tiote? Just think that Tiote gives us more physicality. Having said that, Shelvey who’s probably first choice CM, does have a good physique and will put in a tackle when he wants to.

    Defo think shelvey’s gonna massively improve us, take off some of the pressure off Gini to create chances

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