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Clear Out Begins But Making Money The Priority Again

5:33 pm, Thursday, January 14th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 219 Comments

News in the Mail today that Newcastle expect to sell 29 year-old Cheick Tiote for a high £8M to Shanghai Shenhua today.

We’d much prefer that Cheick stay with us through the end of the season, as we pointed out yesterday, but if the fee is really £8M that’s £4.5M more than we paid for the Ivory Coast International five and a half years ago from FC Twente.

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Cheick Tiote – could be leaving Newcastle

And there has been news today that Lille are keen on getting Yoan Gouffran back to France and he is said to be discussing a move.

The news is that Steve McClaren is reluctant to allow Tiote to leave because Cheick can still contribute to the team.

And that’s the problem at Newcastle – the manager is judged on the results – yet those above him decide when players will leave and when they leave.

They leave when Newcastle get a good enough deal top sell – regardless of the impact on the squad.

That’s ridiculous.

Unfortunately, we expect the deal to go through because it’s good business and once again making money takes precedence over the strength of the squad.

No wonder we cannot be successful on the field and we may still be relegated this season.

Florian Thauvin may also leave for a loan deal back to Marseille, as we reported this morning.

But even in this case Newcastle should be protecting themselves and maybe they only give the go ahead to Florian if and when we get Andros Townsend in from Spurs.

It’s about time the strength of the squad took precedence over everything else – and then we may be able to put a decent team on the field rather than fighting relegation.

The way this club is run makes it very difficult for a manager to be successful – and therefore it would be very difficult to attract a top manager to Tyneside, and maybe that’s why we didn’t bother last summer.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Cheick Tiote · Florian Thauvin · Newcastle News · Yoan Gouffran

219 responses so far ↓

  • 1 ochytoon // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:37 PM

    £8 mil is way above his market value so I have no issues with this deal. He’s been solid for us but too injury prone over the last couple seasons and seemingly uncommitted. Think we’ll be ok till the end of the season with the 4 cm’s we have now

  • 2 mattyNUFC // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:41 PM

    yes, ed,

    maybe that’s why

  • 3 JackButler // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:42 PM

    Clearing out players should happen but not at a point when we are in a fight for our bloody lives. How stupid are the powers that be at the club, that’s is a rhetorical question by the way, we are selling Tiote and banking on Saivet making an instant impact as if he doesn’t we are left with Anita and Coldback who are a big part of the reason we are where we are.

  • 4 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:47 PM

    I think alot players fail here because they don’t fit into how this club is run and how we play. Payet would have failed here just like Cabella and Thauvin if you ask me.

    We buy players who shined in a different system and either play them differently or out of position. Add the coaching and then you have the perfect recipe for failure.

    To me it’s easy to spot. To some of you it’s poor scouting and the players are flops.

    I’ll agree it’s poor buying seeing as these players don’t match the club. Hardly their fault.

  • 5 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:47 PM

    REPOST my timing as ever impeccable 🙂

    143 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:35 PM

    If you accept that Carr is working to a remit set by the Board/Ashley and that given how long he has been here and his recent elevation he surely understands exactly what is required of him.

    Many seem to think that his priority ( if not his only instruction) is to recommend younger players with a sell on value. That being so then it follows that any player on his so called list has to at the very least fulfill that essential criteria.

    So regardless of where Thauvin was on his list ( and he wasn’t by any means a cheap import like say Amalfitano) he must have been there on the basis that we could make a profit in due course. Much the same argument would have applied last year to Cabella and Riviere. Yet here we are again under a different manager with players not able to make headway in the PL. Is Carr watching too much French and Dutch football that he has forgotten how different the PL is and what is therefore required to turn a profit on a £12-14M player from France.

    I believe that if that is the transfer blueprint then it is and always was flawed. Now Carr as an intelligent footballing man with more power than any other chief scout current or past is in prime position to argue the case with Ashley that it has to change.

    Perhaps he has and failed but surely not as he hasn’t resigned yet (as some feel is the only option to those with “integrity” even if on an 8 year contract with not a chance of getting an equivalent job) or maybe he finds it easier to stick to what may have been his major selling point to Ashley as his chief scout and moneymaker and keep his head down.

    There are signs that the policy if not changing has been tweaked with the Shelvey signing ( Mac starting to make his play) but surely Ashley has to be asking questions about Cabella and Thauvin if only driven by “why am I losing money again”.

    The only person in a position to fully answer that is surely Carr as even though Charnley does the deal then the only person with football knowledge and able to pitch a players value has to be Carr. Clubs tend to have lists of players within certain value ranges for different positions and loans etc and the information that feeds those lists has to come from someone with football knowledge and it wasn’t AP previously nor Mac up – until now perhaps?

    If as we are told Ashley holds a post-mortem at the end of each season Carr is going to have to do some really hard selling I think if he is to stay in power

  • 6 hibbitt // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:48 PM

    the big problem with carr is to much power board member chief scout and by all accounts director of football by far the most powerful man at the club in my mind just doing to many jobs…. chief scout should not be on the board ever

  • 7 croftus5678 // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:56 PM

    as much as i like tiote and that he’s more effective than any other dm we have i think 8mil is a cracking deal for us !

    he’s getting on now and thats prob why we have his replacement allready but i think the main reason i dont mind so much if he goes is the fact he always scares me he will get sent off or will make a very stupid foul in a very dangerous area.

    and poor thauvin with some fans giving him grief and writing him off when he’s shown he’s got quality and done nothing wrong imo in the very short time he’s been here and yet siem has shown nothing for longer yet it’s shouted we give him more games !

    the difference imo is a lot of us wanted siem here but we did not want thauvin ! imo thauvin is a lot better than siem is for the team and i’ll openly admit i was wrong about siem and thauvin atm as thauvin is showing a lot more class than siem.

  • 8 JackButler // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:57 PM


    Most scouts sign players to fit in a certain system and come with the right physical and technical attributes so suit that league. Carr’s signing come because of they are at the end of their contracts so they are cheap and constitute a good deal but he persists with the same type of player eg Cabella and Thauvin.

    In truth he has wasted tens of millions on players that were never right for this club or league and that comes down to him as it interesting to know that the vast majority of French players we have signed are all represented by the same agency.

    The likes of Cabaye, Tiote, Ba, Remy and Gini were all no brainers as they were all stand out players in their leagues, but when he goes beyond that type of player he has failed at just about every single turn

  • 9 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:01 PM

    I’m not so sure if we’ll bring any more new signings in, Mash may just take a chance now.
    The board have a aughful habit of turning a blind eye to our major weaknesses. We need goals and our defence is still fragile.

  • 10 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:01 PM

    Let’s be honest here, everyone is speculating on this Carr thing. I personally think he has no power, much like JFK before him Carr is a figure head to point the finger at.

  • 11 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:03 PM

    JB…when McC was hired the perception wad that we had a manager that played accordingly to what we bought.

    Continental and a more fluent style. The players bought fitted that. McC players more British it seems than Pardew. The lesson here is get a manager that fits the system.

    I think you guys have it the wrong way around. I’ll agree the club is to blame because they implement the system and hired the manager.

  • 12 JackButler // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:04 PM

    Our toon

    He’s head scout, board member and is calling the shots on all signings, at least until this window to say he’s a figure head is simply wrong. Pardew and Carr didn’t speak as they we always at loggerheads over who he was signing. Beyond Ashley, Carr and Charnley are running the entire show

  • 13 mactoon // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:10 PM

    A Manager would never be successful at the current Newcastle set up, because Ashley has employed a coach who simply gets a set of players to make into a team. No Manager would agree to come to such a set up.

    And ‘those above McClaren’ don’t make the decision when players leave, he is part of the process as a member of the board. The problem is he is only one vote out of four when he should actually have the final say if he is to be accountable for the results

  • 14 nufc 11 // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:10 PM

    Carr should be hauled to court over signing thauvin something stinks to high heaven about that deal.

  • 15 JackButler // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:10 PM


    The issue is that the system they want is redundant in this league, this league is about pace and power and we have very little of either, we are the only club on this league where the scout dictates what happens.

    Look at Palace under Pardew, arguably the best counter attacking side in the league with massive pace to exploit space and it’s no secret that AP and Carr didn’t get along as they argues constantly over signings.

    If you employ an manager and expect him to get results and performances then that manager has to have the final say on who he gets to coach to have a scout dictate that is madness

  • 16 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:10 PM

    As I understood it AP was involved with transfers as he famously thanked himself.
    I thought the manager said what ”type” of players he wanted without necessarily getting the actual players he wanted and then carr would work down the list.


    8m for a 30 yr old is amazing . Almost as much as we may have got for him in his prime. Throw in he’s mostly injured / disinterested / off to ACON and we have 2 new CMs makes a lot of sense to sell now.

  • 17 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:11 PM


    He makes recommendations and the Ashley decides who to buy, they could be 1st targets or 12th on the list or lower. The point remains he’s appointed to a board by name but doesn’t necessarily mean he actually has as much influence as alot seem to think. Surprised you actually believe what comes out of the PR room at SJP these days.

    Let’s not forget you and I have been lied to about everything else. If pardew was at loggerheads as reported then why is he interested in more players Carr apparently bought into the club than signing his own style players?

  • 18 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:11 PM

    “The likes of Cabaye, Tiote, Ba, Remy and Gini were all no brainers as they were all stand out players in their leagues”

    JackButler, as were Cabella, De Jong, Riviere, Janmaat, and Mbiwa.

  • 19 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:12 PM

    Mac toon

    It’s common practice in continental football, a coach is a coach, others buy players and his hob is to make them fit.

  • 20 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:12 PM

    nufc 11

    you’re not wrong. something is very off there.

  • 21 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:13 PM

    Our toon
    I think its a fifty fifty split between MA and Carr. Carr is our scout but MA will give him restrictions and have the final say on transfers.

  • 22 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:14 PM


    What utter nonsense are you talking about mate, pardew already had them players at palace, pace and counter attacking. He didn’t buy Zaha or Bolasie or Puncheon….get a a grip mate. Without Bolasie they’ve lost 4 on the trot in the league

  • 23 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:15 PM

    Toon KK

    That’s the point I’m making, how does anyone know if these are no1 targets or 12th

  • 24 banjax // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:16 PM

    Tiote for £8m – sell. Thauvin on loan after £13m spent – Sack Carr. Gouffran sale – Sell him. Rivierre – sell. Buy – Townsend. Buy Berainho. Or Buy Austin. Definitely Remy on Loan. Buy Two Defenders. Sell Taylor and Williamson. Sack McLaren – hire Bentez. Replace Charnley.

  • 25 JackButler // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:17 PM


    Jannmatt was and he’s done very well, Cabella was seen and a decent player nothing more, Ajax were glad to find someone willing to pay to get him, listen to de Boers interview after he left where he said the player would not be missed as he was never fit enough to play, Rivière was never a stand out player and Mbiwa was a decent signing, if you go off what headed in France but simply didn’t work out but there is an argument that he should not have been sold when he was and he certainly never been deployed as a full back.

  • 26 JackButler // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:18 PM

    Our toon

    I’m not saying he signed the players he now has, but those players have massive pace while Carr doesn’t sign players with pace, that’s the difference

  • 27 p // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:19 PM

    I think Ashley was – understandably – alarmed at the state in which recruiting overpaid has-beens looking only to enhance their retirement funds had on the club both financially and on the field. Duff, Owen, the list is endless.

    There was an over correction as often is the case with a strategy around getting low cost, hungry players that will have higher sell on values.

    On the face of it a sound strategy but of course, the reality is new need a blend of experienced and younger ambitious players in that respect. In other respects you want players with the right attitude and players who can do a certain job in a certain system.

    This was somewhat neglected by the board but, they do seem to be addressing that to an extent but, only really to a small extent.

    It’s a tough business football, you can have all the money in the world and not do particularly well (Chelsea and Man utd this season) or very little and do well e.g. Leicester.

  • 28 Thump // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:20 PM

    £8m for Tiote?

    I’ll give him a lift to the airport if he wants.

  • 29 Sazzer // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:20 PM

    We haven’t lost any money on Thauvin yet and we lost at most £2.2m on Cabella.

    I’m sure Wijnaldum, Mitro, Mbemba is worth more than £2.2m these days.

  • 30 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:20 PM

    JackButler, the players mentioned had ‘stand out’ stats for Ligue 1 and the Dutch League, players with similar stats in the Premier League would cost double easily.

  • 31 JackButler // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:21 PM

    Out toon

    As for believe the clubs PR, no mate, sorry, but all the summer players were coming in as Carver said so himself and that was before SM was even appointed and Saivet was scouted for a long time by Carr according to SM

  • 32 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:21 PM

    Our Toon

    If as I have posed Carr’s remit is to list players who can turn a profit why would there be a player whom we paid £12-14M on it for other than we should be able to make profit.Mind boggles at thought he might have been 12th on a list at that price. Who did we skip!?


    If AP is a liar then why would you believe his comment re his involvement in the transfer he thanked himself for.

  • 33 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:21 PM

    I agree 8 mill is a great price for Tiote but let’s not forget we’re in a serious relegation battle, personally although I don’t think he’s what he used to be, he’s still very important squad member. There’s other players that are of basically no addition should be moved on first.

  • 34 p // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:23 PM

    btw make your choice Tiote or Saivet, you can’t have both. There are limits to your squad size.

    personally, I don’t think Saivet can be much worse than Tiote as he is today (forget 4years ago)

    and perhaps that might not be the right comparison. Shelvey could be the Tiote replacement and Saivet my be replacing someone worse like Gouffran or Oberton

  • 35 Small World // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:23 PM

    Real non – argument here about keeping Tiote.

    Shelvey is nailed on for a central role. Leaving

    Tiote, Saivet, Anita and Colback competing for one other place. That then assumes neither Sissoko or Gini are going to play either wide or in a more advanced position. Then looking at all of the discards we have like Marv, Gouff and Obertan – we are grossly overstaffed in midfield. Perez / Aarons need to be brought into account to.

    It’s a case of Thanks Tiote, you were great for a couple of seasons – but are now a liability in terms of passing ability and simply strolling around picking up cards. Goodbye.

    Hell we get a good fee for him, and he gets one last big payday. Should be happy days all around and both parties benefit from the move.

  • 36 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:24 PM


    fair point

  • 37 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:26 PM


    Carver told the world the obvious news, we’d be signing players as the squad was utter dross last year. Mike came out said he’d bolt the horse yet the defence hasn’t been sorted. Sorry mate but every time a statement is released its to appease people in my eyes. Can you think of anytime they’ve come out and told the truth?

  • 38 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:26 PM


    agree with all, except townsend

  • 39 JackButler // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:28 PM


    Rivière scored around forty goals in nearly five years in France, hardly stand out, the season before he joins us he scored around thirteen goals if my memory serves me right, SDJ has a massive injury list, serious injuries as well yet we still signed him? Cabella was watched by just about every single club in the league and not one were prepared to take the chance of but Carr did and it backfired but he then replaces him with an even bigger, and more expensive gamble that has again backfired as reports not have Thauvin wanting out

  • 40 JamesToon // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:28 PM

    If Tiote is still here I’d start him and Shelvey. Reason being people say Saivet is a holding midfielder but he’s 5″9 which is pretty much same size as Colback and Anita, is he gonna be any better? Would he cope with payet better than Tiote? Just think that Tiote gives us more physicality. Having said that, Shelvey who’s probably first choice CM, does have a good physique and will put in a tackle when he wants to.

    Defo think shelvey’s gonna massively improve us, take off some of the pressure off Gini to create chances

  • 41 JackButler // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:29 PM

    Our toon
    Carver said the deals were all in place mate, no reason for the man to lie

  • 42 Lindisfarne // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:30 PM

    If it was true that there were a list of 80 candidates for the Head Coach role, it is very indicative that the man who got the role rejected the club twice before accepting (having no other means of employment). Even if 95% of the applicants were rejected by the club, that is still four plus another declines from interviewees. The basis for the club rejecting potential candidates was said to be around the ability to work with the transfer policy of the club. But what creditability or past experience did those doing the selection process have for employing for a major role in any company, let alone the lead person at a football club?

    This is just one area of remit for the Clubs Managing Director and on the basis of the amount of floundering that went on in recruiting Schtevie, it does not look great for the rest of the organisation. Apparently Penfold has a reputation of being very well organised and direct about transfers, but when the Cabella / Thauvin debacle is taken into consideration, plus Bony/Gomis/Ayew, it is hard to believe.

    It must be approaching two years since Penfold has been in the role and whilst there has been some occasional acknowledgement that the Fans exist and should perhaps be envolved, plus a wider representation of Board members. There has been little movement to suggest that he has got to grips with the role as a whole, or being value for money with the time he has.

  • 43 Thump // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:31 PM

    RE: Thauvin, I wonder how much of him wanting away is due to the slating he got at Watford by the fans.

  • 44 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:31 PM


    That’s the point though isn’t it we don’t know. Could have got Shakiri, might of been on the list but his wages would have been more.

    Bony bought for 12m sold 30 plus, Suarez bought for 25m sold for 60m. The list could be of future potential earnings from sales or from what they might add now etc etc.

    It’s all speculation!!

  • 45 WWSBRD // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:32 PM

    Cabella didn’t back fire mate he was shunted out the door too soon id say which could be the same for Thauvin

    This must look horrific to potential signings from France like, Lacazette sat there reading this no wonder he doesn’t fancy the bright lights of Newcastle

  • 46 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:32 PM


    Carver also told the league he was the coach in the prem….yep no need for him to lie

  • 47 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:37 PM

    JackButler, Riviere scored 13 goals in 36 games before he was signed, plus he was 23 years old.

    What makes you think it was Carr that signed Cabella? Cabella’s stats from the previous season were extremely impressive, as any scout should do, he would have been put on a list. You have to remember that Carr isn’t responsible developing flair/technical players, that was the task for Pardew…I am not quite sure I would blame Carr for how Pardew developed players either.

    Can I also why you think Carr is responsible for replacing Cabella with Thauvin, I am not sure that is the choice of a scout. If Carr had that kind of power, wouldn’t he have bought Thauvin when he was available for a few million, instead of leaving Lille free to acquire his services?

    3 out of the 4 summer signings look quite good, I don’t believe Carr deserves much credit for that either, that is more down to the club putting its hand in its pocket for a change. Carr will not be responsible for the loosening the purse strings, just like he was not responsible for cutting corners on cheaper signings.

  • 48 Small World // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:39 PM

    Thump // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:31 PM

    …or how much of him being big girls blouse who has been found wanting. Avoiding tackles, or straightening his shirt and hair style after one. Undoubtedly the guy must have had something for him to be scouted. He just doesn’t seem to be up to the physical rough and tumble in the prem. I guess the same could be said of De Jong. The argument of neither being given a real chance maybe masks the fact that injuries aside they haven’t been picked on a regular basis for a very good reason. I personally wouldn’t pick either on a wet and windy night never mind it being the proverbial game at Stoke City in midweek.

    On occasions players can come good in their 2nd season. We haven’t got that luxury. All of the players we bring in need to step or be shipped out. And if too much of that going on, questions made about the scouting / selection process.

  • 49 JackButler // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:39 PM


    Never rated Cabella mate, he never had the physical side to his game to stand up to the rigours of the league imo and Thauvin came here off the back of a pathetic season and yet we paid full price for the lad which beggars belief.

    I honestly believe that even with the constraints imposed on Carr, he has got so many signings wrong and wasted massive amount of money when there’s not much available

  • 50 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:41 PM

    I’ll accept certain players going because that’s how football works, but we must put the welfare of club first by getting the players we need first. If a top class proven striker doesn’t come in we’ll go down, we’re far too inconsistent to take a chance.

  • 51 JackButler // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:43 PM


    We loaned Cabella out, which will most likely become a permanent move depending on appearences and he then bought Thauvin who was beyond shocking last season. These deals for Thauvin, Mitrovic, Gini and Mbemba were all in place before SM came here so as head scout and board member I’d say that Carr was the man to make those decisions with Charley and Ashley signing off on the financial aspects

  • 52 Valid point // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:43 PM

    If Thauvin goes now thats just sad…
    Wonder if he ever felt welcome, by fans or headcoach?

  • 53 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:44 PM

    JB…I agree the coach should have final say on whether he want a player or not. Not final say on players period.

    Lots of club would counter your argument on how a club should be run. Swansea have been successful in appointing a coach who fits a system.

    I don’t think the players we buy is the problem it’s the fact that we appoint the wrong kind of managers.

    …and Charnley seems to buy those who are further down the shortlist. And we undercook it every window 🙂

  • 54 WWSBRD // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:45 PM

    He didn’t have the physical attributes to drop straight in but we didn’t offer him much time to try m, his attitude was spot on and that’s half the battle…would not shock me if in a few years he’s a success in the PL for another team

    As for money Carrs wasted 1) he’s not signing the players that’s Charnley by all accounts and 2) not sure he’s wasted any really, thus far we are still dining on Barclays bill and we have some very sellable assets that we bought under their value

  • 55 Jib // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:46 PM

    Lubomir Satka is to join York on loan .
    Does this mean we have a CD in the offing ?

  • 56 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:46 PM

    I might be wrong on this but didn’t we sign the players after the manager was bought in? If the players were going to be signed before the new man came in and without his say so then why didn’t we get them in may or June?

    That would have allowed them to have a proper pre season and to get used to a new system etc

  • 57 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:47 PM

    I would have liked to have seen more of Cabella, the new coaching staff may have been able to get more out of him, we will never know.

  • 58 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:48 PM

    Are we building a strong squad or putting faces in the shop window? I think the answer is obvious. No more young players from France please. Build with a range of ages and from different leagues.

  • 59 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM

    JB…I don’t think Carr buys any players mate. I think he scouts the players and then they (him and Charnley…even the coach agrees on who they should go after)

    …McC made that clear the other day as well. I just don’t think we get the player at the top most of the time.

    And what’s up with the way McC plays football? No way that’s in consistent with what he was brought in to do and the players we scout and buy.

  • 60 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM

    Let’s not forget it took a young ozil 2 years to adapt to the prem, Thauvin ain’t no ozil but ozil isn’t exactly built like a powerhouse to stand up to the demands of the prem.

    If you don’t get game time to adapt then you’ll never make it

  • 61 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:49 PM

    The same goes for Thauvin AncientC mate. We bring them in, give them very little chance to adapt and then ship them out. Bizarre behavior from the management to say the least.

  • 62 John Tudor // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:50 PM

    cant believe we are still being led up the garden path by this lot

  • 63 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:51 PM

    With an overall winning percentage of 20.8 with us so far how much better than John Carver is Steve Tufty McLaren?

  • 64 Thump // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:52 PM

    @Small World: And yet he’s (according to the words from the club, at least) been doing a lot of strength training. I just think it’s a bit suspicious that after being told that “he’s not fit to wear the shirt” after picking up an injury at Watford would probably make him question exactly what he’s doing here.

    As for selecting them, they’ve definitely got a lot about them. You can see it in flashes. They’re moving from a league in which you’re allowed a lot of time on the ball, to a league in which you’re lucky if you get two touches before you\re closed down. How can they get used to this if they aren’t given game time? I’m not suggesting starting them, but absolutely give them more than a few a time to try and get their ‘sharpness’ up.

    As Valid Point said, did he ever feel welcome?

  • 65 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:53 PM

    I thought Cabella was a great buy and he was bought after a great season in France. Thauvin was a odd one…what made them think that would be different than the Cabella buy I don’t know.

    But McC has really disappointed me big time…

  • 66 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:53 PM

    james toon
    if saivet is 5’9″…he’s the same height as tiote similar physique if not stronger…..remains to be seen how good he is but he is a similar looking player

  • 67 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:54 PM

    Our Toon

    Surely Carr (in the unique position he holds) is required to and has regard to likely wage levels of those he lists in much the same way as he wouldn’t waste anyone’s time in listing say Harry Kane as a striker.

    Can’t accept the logic that he lists simply on his perception of their ability regardless of wages. If he has been then surely Charnley would have disabused him of this mistake by now after trawling through list from top to bottom trying to find acceptable wage levels. Oh is that why our transfers are drawn out?

    Who in your view has been consistently responsible for the football input in Ashley’s reign if not Carr?

  • 68 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:54 PM

    Is The Tufty Man leading us up the creek without a paddle? I think I hear a large waterfall ahead…..

  • 69 geordie157 // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:55 PM

    Everton closing on byram, another good youngster we don’t seem interested in, he’d get more football with us too! Not sure what the fee is.

  • 70 John Tudor // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:55 PM

    wheres the wins coming from i dont see many

  • 71 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:55 PM

    Let’s not forget Gini we could have signed 3 years ago, apparently had a 5m bid rejected and didn’t follow through with another as it was to much to pay!!

  • 72 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:56 PM

    Please don’t be disappointed with The Tufty Man jesper mate. He’s doing his best. He’s just never had to deal with a mentally handicapped billionaire before. 🙁

  • 73 geordie157 // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:58 PM

    I’m still yet to be convinced saivet is another tiote, he’s more attack minded that’s for sure, he used to play as the second striker or a winger.

    But hopefully he adapts quickly.

  • 74 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:58 PM

    A lot of you are saying “G2 how dare you call wor beloved manager The Tufty Man? This is wor saviour so be thankful he walks among us!”
    Oooops. Sorry lads……. 🙁

  • 75 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:59 PM

    The Good Tiote of the first season or the Bad Tiote afterwards Geordie157 mate? I hope Saivet doesn’t drive a Camaro……

  • 76 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:00 PM


    You’ve missed the point I’m making, he list players some on higher wages than others and Ashley decides along with mcclaren and other board members.

    Example A Shakiri signing on fee around 5m plus agent fee which would be massive plus massive wages between 55k to 80k

    Thauvin 2m signing on fee not as much for agent, 30k 40k wages.

    Which do you think mike would go for? Now add the likes of the dortmund lad or Bony etc into that and take the example of Gini from 3 years ago. It’s clear who makes the decision….its all financially relative

  • 77 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:00 PM


    If by your logic Charnley signs players but solely from a list finalised by the chief scout how is Charnley to blame. Where else does he get his potential targets from.

    Ashley does set the scene but there are others he has appointed who are not seemingly meeting their job criteria which many seem to think is ” make me some money”

  • 78 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:02 PM

    Our toon
    It’s a hard one to call with Thauvin, what is the best thing to do with him, I agree he needs game time to improve but he’s also letting team down when he plays,something we can’t afford at the moment.
    Loan him to a championship club would be my decision.

  • 79 angelswithdirtyfaces // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:03 PM

    I have no problem with a 29 yr old player from a very poor African background seeking a big payday before his career ends. He is reputed to have sponsored a lot of development in his village (its either good PR or true) and we are getting more than a fair price for him. At his best he did us proud. I’d rather remember him for that 4th goal in the Arsenal 4-4 than anything else.

  • 80 John Tudor // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:04 PM

    it could be all over by feb 28

  • 81 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:04 PM

    Have the tea lady fong Thauvin heavily, then send him out for extra training…. Sorted….

  • 82 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:05 PM

    GT…whether one thought McC was a great appointment or not he’s given the impression he liked and stood for one kind of football and served up another.

    How do you buy players to fit that? He was a poor poor appointment. I don’t think splashing the cash this window will change any of that.

  • 83 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:06 PM

    Toon KK

    The perfect time to start him was when we pushed our best attacking player Gini at LW, completely nullifying him. WHen cisse got injured it should have clicked we need crosses and Gini and Mitro attacking them.

    He should have played in the fa cup… it a coincidence he wants off apparently after getting knocked out of that and not starting in that game?

  • 84 John Tudor // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:06 PM

    nine more points is all i can see

    im sure i will be shot down

  • 85 geordie157 // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:07 PM

    Tell thauvin to man up and play him, him and shelvey can help mitrovic get goals! Not many of our midfielders can do that.

  • 86 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:11 PM

    magscar…Charnley seem to buy those at the bottom of the list mate…and he still appoints coaches that doesn’t fit the players brought in.

    How about some consistency in who we buy as players and who we bring in to set the tone and style?

  • 87 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:11 PM

    Sensible comments jesper @82. We’ve got a right mess on our hands. I am hopeful about Shelvey though. He should provide better service to the forwards and has a decent shot as well. Not sure at all about Saivet. The season is in huge danger without at least 2 more signings.

  • 88 SUTTY1978 // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:12 PM

    The funny thing is anyone suggesting we should get Townsend
    So we buy Cabella for £12m and loan him out, then another £14m on Thauvin and loan him out, then buy Townsend for another £14m who is next to useless. Basically we’re getting a winger who cant score and doesn’t create anything for £40m, top work!

  • 89 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:15 PM

    GT…I hope we will try and fix alot of wrongs this window mate 🙂

  • 90 SUTTY1978 // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:15 PM

    Carr is fully to blame, where do you think the player valuation comes from? How would Charnley know how much a player is worth. Carr will give a name and a max value.
    As someone mentioned earlier, he seems to get a fixation on a player from a brief period and then latches onto them regardless of how they turn out.

  • 91 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:15 PM

    I see a possible 15 points remaining for us JT mate. That would give us 33. Enough to escape relegation? Very dicey…..

  • 92 stuart no9 // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:15 PM

    i think £8m is a cracking deal for a player who is more at home in the treatment room than on the pitch , however does it matter how much he goes for, we wont benifit and the money will go straight into fat mans wallet , great eh , no better off in the end.

  • 93 Mag52 // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:15 PM

    Just so long as we buy players with a view to improving the bank balance rather than improving the team, we’ll never progress as a football club.
    The decision to run the club this way is down to no one else than Ashley.

  • 94 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:17 PM

    That’s very unfair Sutty mate @88. Look how much we got out of Obertan! He was very good at fetching the vindaloo…. Just another example of Ashley thinking….

  • 95 beefman13 // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:17 PM

    Elliot Janmatt Dummett Colo Mbemba Sissoko Saivet Shelvey
    Perez Wijnaldum Mitrovic

    433 job done, at home at least.

  • 96 Average_Contents // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:17 PM

    Armstrong and bigi have had their loans extended at Coventry until the end of the season.

    Satka to York on loan apparently too.

    Meanwhile Everton are in advanced talks with Leeds about young Byram.

    Nominal fee I’d imagine with him being out of contract come the end of the season and their owner saying last week they’d rather receive something now than nothing/tribunal when he leaves.

    Seems like a good prospect. Young, English and has pretty decent reviews.

    Forget about him then eh.

    Everton seem to be able to spot up and comings from the lower leagues and then perform seamless transitions into their first team.

  • 97 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:18 PM

    Our Toon@76

    For someone who declares it is all speculation you seem pretty clued up in your claim

    ” he list players some on higher wages than others and Ashley decides along with mcclaren and other board members.”

    It is as you say financially relative but how is it that despite Carr being well versed in the narrow requirements of Ashley’s transfer policy so many seeming misfits even appear on it. Surely for a profit to be generated the player has to be capable of playing in PL. Even on a free it would seem a struggle to make profits on the calibre of Cabella and Thauvin when exposed to the rigours of the PL. Ashley supposedly likes a gamble but £14M on Cabella Mk2. !

    Incidently I am basing my views on earlier discussion re Thauvin being loaned back not on my valuation of his potential effectiveness on which I am as yet undecided although it isn’t looking promising.

    It has been said there is a curse on SJP perhaps that is the reason we seem to have some new players being Pardewed despite a totally new coaching staff and management 🙂

  • 98 SUTTY1978 // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:18 PM

    And anyone suggesting we just buy the cheap option obviously hasnt seen the bill for some of our recent purchases. How was Thauvin thr cheap option at £14m. There are probably 50 other wingers fat better than Thauvin that we could have picked for far less
    Unless the list read
    Then we didn’t go for the cheap option

  • 99 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:19 PM

    We will do it jesper mate @89! And just in case we don’t beermonkey and I are beginning the Winter Offensive in Romania. Raising money for the Mentally Handicapped Billionaire Fund is a year round endeavour. 😆

  • 100 lesh // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:21 PM

    Why do these people do things Rs first?

    Common sense says strengthen before selling but oh no, sell a solid player then fail to get a replacement ‘over the line’.

    They moan about being held to ransom and being asked to pay over the odds but what the heck do they expect when they’ve painted themselves into a corner.

    Maybe Charnley should look at the way Spurs do things – always up among the top end of the table, making money, never rushing to sell players yet not paying over the odds for them either.

  • 101 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:24 PM

    Jesper @86

    The thrust of my argument is – why are they even on the list at all?

    I am only running with the premise many make that the purpose of the list is to find players who can make a profit ( personally I find that too narrow but it is no doubt a strong element)

  • 102 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:25 PM

    Although I agree Carr has a lot to answer for and questions have to be asked about his research. But he’ll have his restrictions and his first,second, third choices will be
    discounted by Mash through agents fees and wages. It’s all about long term costs and potential sell on value by a man who basically doesn’t know what he’s doing.

  • 103 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:29 PM

    A lot of you have become very needy lately. Constantly asking for more top, top interviews with the head honchos at the club. Well I’m up to it lads!
    Here’s the latest:
    G2: Welcome Steve. Some of the supporters are getting a bit restless. Four wins so far this season. Are we on track in your opinion?
    Steve: G2, of course we are! There’s no doubt in my mind we’re completely on track. The training sessions have been generally excellent. Morale within the team is high. How could we not be optimistic?
    G2: Ahhh, hmmmm. Well……..
    Steve: Stop looking at the stats G2. That’s your first mistake. Avoid looking at the table. Keep your head up and smile, smile, smile!!!
    G2: Ahhhh, hmmmm. Well…….

  • 104 will die for the toon army // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:31 PM

    We have a plan in place to build a great squad which i now believe we r doing.

    But let me hop it aint too late.

  • 105 will die for the toon army // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:33 PM

    Thauvin should be sent to the championship.

  • 106 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:34 PM

    bid accepted for tiote apparently

  • 107 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:34 PM

    No thrusting on here magscar mate @101. This is not a thrusty blog. We are a serious, well behaved lot that do our thrusting behind closed doors….Harrumph.

  • 108 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:35 PM

    Mag52…it’s a myth that we are making money on transfers. We are actually loosing money mate!

  • 109 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:38 PM

    In fact I’m going to nominate the blog for Extreme Seriosity in the Face of Great Adversity. Well done mates. I couldn’t have done it without all of you….. Errm except possibly Ibiza……

  • 110 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:38 PM

    Oh, and the Great Tsukini……

  • 111 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:41 PM


    Sorry I was just trying to catch an audience as most skip my posts – at least I got your attention 😉

  • 112 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:42 PM

    Song for Wor Beloved Ashley:
    If I had a fongbat,
    I’d fong him in the morning
    I’d fong in the evening,
    All over this land
    I’d fong him daily,
    I’d fong him without a warning,
    I’d fong him with my brothers and my sisters,
    Aaaall overrrrrr this land.

  • 113 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:42 PM

    magscar…I am sure the look at making money mate 😉

  • 114 SUTTY1978 // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:42 PM

    Who was the last player we made a profit on, Debuchy I think and that was 18 months ago. Yes, they want to buy young players who will improve or at least retain their value, nothing wrong with that, it’s the man picking the players thats screwing it up.
    I think there was an issue previously with not getting players who were first pick, like Bony, PEA etc. And getting ones who were cheaper further down the list. We were linked strongly with these players and our geniune interest was known. If Thauvin wasnt top of the list then we would have been strongly linked with a much better winger last summer, stands to reason. We werent linked with anyone better therefore Thauvin must have been his number one choice

  • 115 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:43 PM

    That’s all right then magscar mate. Just watch it with that thrusting……

  • 116 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:43 PM


    It’s plain for all to see, ayew, Gomis Bony shakiri etc etc, players we couldn’t get over the line even remy. These all have 1 thing in common and that’s £££’s. As it was clearly pointed out and has been many times since, we have a wage budget and will not exceed that for any player. Highest earner is Colo all the players above exceed the amount Colo is on, fees are irrelevant as they won’t break that wage structure for anyone.

    That is fact not speculation, so its not rocket science why these lads didn’t end up here. Transfer fees is one thing but after Owen spent a huge chunk on 100k plus there was no way we’d repeat this. Carr can sit down and say these 5 would be great if we could get them, he can speculate on wages they are on and fees or have that info to hand but he can’t dictate the amount they’ll want in wages etc.

    Also things like PR rights and non disclosure agreements etc etc. It’s far to simplistic to say, he’s shite and so is he and he and the scout is to blame.

  • 117 GeordieTwo // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:44 PM

    That was a beautiful moment singing that for Mike…..

  • 118 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:48 PM

    This summer was the first time the club ventured into a net spend on players, since the club was promoted from the Championship.

    Getting by for so long, with a below zero spend on players paints a very vivid picture.

    How many players that ‘the club’ chooses from the scout list, do you expect to be a hit with funding such as that – especially after they were turned over to Pardew for reeducation.

    The club surviving 5 years without a net spend on players – not exactly favorable conditions for a scout.

  • 119 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:49 PM


  • 120 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:50 PM

    On the Tiote possible transfer if the fee is £8M then I think it is a gamble worth taking on the basis that we can perm 2 from 4 of Shelvey, Saivet, Colback or Anita – as long as it isn’t the latter 2 very often preferably not at all.

    Even if he stays his recent injury record isn’t any guarantee he will be available for long spells. Has been good last few games though.

  • 121 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:56 PM

    Tiote should be kept irrelevant of the fee in my opinion, even if he plays 1 game from now till the end of the season and helps us win that 1 game or get a point it could make all the difference between staying up and going down.

    8m to sell now who is arguably our best DM and gamble on not getting relegated by doing so

    Or keep him till the summer, sell him for 5m but helps us stay in prem which is worth 100m. Common sense would say keep him……so no doubt we will get rid of him

  • 122 martoon // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:57 PM

    The way I see it is normally we sell a player and don’t replace him within the same window. This time we seem to have bought Tiote’s replacement first i.e. Saivet. So I don’t have such an issue with selling Tiote and we have Colback as well – of course I don’t know if Saivet is any good 🙂

  • 123 Toonces // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:57 PM

    The club needs to change the wage structure and Colo at this stage of his career, and maybe even as a defender, can’t be justified to be the highest wage earner on the team. Him being captain also doesn’t necessarily mean he should be highest wage earner either. The EPL money is changing the wage structure all over the league, including at the so called smaller clubs. The market is changing and NUFC must change with it to keep up. And the talent coming into the league will be able to find wages beyond NUFC’s current cap elsewhere.

  • 124 Mag52 // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:59 PM


    5 years without a net spend on players – not exactly favourable conditions for a manager either.

  • 125 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:03 PM

    Our Toon
    I totally agree with what you say about MA wage cap but has Carr been told France has to be the country we must scout formost? There’s imo some very good players in the championship who would definitely have more potential than the flops that has been brought into the club for the last few years. Although our main problems are often who should have been signed, by ignoring a problem doesn’t make it go away, Mash certainly likes to gamble.

  • 126 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:05 PM


    Nice point you are trying to make…..which ultimately leads back to pardew with you for some reason.

    Diego Simone at Ath Madrid had no issues with selling his best players working at a net spend and……beating madrid and Barca to the title. Porto had no issues doing so when mourinho was manager in winning CL whilst selling best players, David Moyes who I can’t stand had no issues doing so at Everton and didn’t keep fighting relegation did he

    Granted the top 2 examples are of very good managers but moyes…..hmm

    Wenger went sometime working on a restricted budget but still got them in CL every season amd he was restricted massively by new stadium cost etc. It can work, just not when your shite like pardew!!

  • 127 Mag52 // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:06 PM


    I said ‘with a view’ to improving the bank balance. That doesn’t necessarily mean we are making money on transfers, although on balance over Ashley’s time here, especially if the Tiote deal goes through, I’d say the transfer balance is probably in the black isn’t it ?

  • 128 Tonytoon73 // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:08 PM

    Never been on here for years, how you doing lads

  • 129 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:11 PM

    Why’s so many people saying take the 8 mill quick for Tiote, he’s maybe not our best player but he’s certainly worth hanging onto when we’re in a relegation battle. Our premier league status is more important than the money at the moment,sell him in the summer.

  • 130 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:13 PM

    Mag52, fair point, but Pardew had some good players in those 5 years, contrary to the lack of a net spend. That is where Graham Carr’s help came in useful.

    Imagine where any Premier League club would be without a net spend for 5 years, never mind a club just promoted from the Championship.

  • 131 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:14 PM

    Toon KK

    I agree with you mate, I’d have signed D Grey from Birmingham. Looks like he has bags of talent, look at the likes of Butland and Stones etc.

    These lads need to come in when they are really young so they can develop. Would Butland and Stones be the players they are today if we’d bought them…..probably not.

    There’s good players in the lower leagues, the risk is always can they make the step up, the issue is they cost more than international players in other countries. Austin 15m as he’s in the final yr of his contract. Jordan Rhodes was 15m / 20m. Dele Ali has done fantastic, Pochettino also said if it hadn’t have been for injuries the lad wouldn’t have got a look in this season.

    Danny Graham cost more than Ba and Cisse put together…..there are gems to be had though, we need to get them really young like we did with Aarons who was bought from Bristol City I believe. At the moment though he’s not delivering anywhere other than the treatment table.

    So yes look at the lower leagues amd recently we’ve not only bought from french leagues but also dutch and Belgium league. Are the cheaper players in France though?

    Joe Allen was bought for 5 times cabaye fee when he came to us

  • 132 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:15 PM

    tony toon..
    i probs was’nt on the last time you were on but welcome back anyways!!lol

  • 133 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:16 PM

    Mag52…Ibiza posted the difference on incoming and outgoing around last summer and those numbers were very red 😉

  • 134 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:18 PM

    imo i would half the price for tiote and keep him till the end of the season….its looked a lot more stronger defensively since he’s got a bit form back….granted we’ve not won but we looked better.

  • 135 Tonytoon73 // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:19 PM

    I was the biggest arse wipe on here springy ha

  • 136 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:20 PM

    Toon KK

    I agree with you on the Tiote thing as well. Staying in the prem is worth 100m next season for the new deal, Tiote is worth 8m to a team now. In all reality if he keeps us up by performing like he’s done this season then he’ll have made us a heck of alot of money. 8m is picket change to the amount we’d get for staying in the prem.

    Btw I can see the line up as this if Tiote goes.

    Jan, Mbemba, Colo, Dummett
    Saivet, Colback
    Sissoko, Shelvey, Gini

    I hope I’m wrong but the wolly will put Gini on the left

  • 137 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:20 PM

    Our Toon

    Whilst Carr can’t dictate wages he surely has to make a stab at the valuation to enable him as THE football man in the set up to make a plausible list of targets based on the criteria he has been given and happily accepted over the last 8 years.

    So far the anger of fans at continuing relegation battles has been directed at Ashley and Pardew but Carr has escaped scrutiny as being just on the payroll.

    Like others on here I am of the view that he has been promoted beyond his competence purely because he is currently the only football voice he trusts.

    It often occurs to me that when the Pardew out campaign started the organisers said that he was merely the easier of the targets but they did have in mind Ashley long term. Indeed after Pardew moved on and the disaster of Carver’s appointment there was the short lived Ashley out. To my mind taking a similar logic why not now have a go at “Carr out” being a prelude to the real business of getting Ashley out. He is more an an ally than Pardew was.

    It seems to me that he is fairly fireproof being the only football man apart from Kinnear that Ashely and Charnley knows.

    As Blog seems to like overheard conversations so this could be one

    Charnley to Carr

    Mike has been getting restless about the ongoing lack of transfer profits since we sold Cabaye ( and by the way Mike still goes on about JFK not getting enough for him).

    He’s looking to find a new Head Honcho on transfer front and as our resident football brain i was hoping you might have a few recommendations.


    You mean when my 8 years are up as you don’t expect me to resign do you?


    Well with your appointment to the Board we were thinking at your age you might be wanting to wind down a little and let go of the reins. How about just staying on the board you will still have Mike’s ear as always.


    Well as long as I keep my salary, have a say on next manager who I would have to work with of course and can oversee the transfers I can see some room for discussion. I suppose Monks will be staying purely on the PR and meet the press role and not stepping on my toes of course.

    Charnley resignedly

    Well when you have your next chat with Mike can you tell we have discussed it and have sorted matters. It always comes better from you when the talk is football related

  • 138 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:21 PM

    Pocket change not picket!!

  • 139 Mag52 // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:21 PM


    If Ibiza has done the maths, then I stand corrected.

  • 140 Ibizatoon // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:23 PM

    Jesper…Hello mate, how’s tricks?

    Were they? I had thought that up until summer 2015 we had been in the black? Even after Ashleys biggest spending, we were more or less at zero, but still held, I guess “high value assets” 🙂

  • 141 Moonraker15 // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:24 PM

    There is a definite sea change with transfers. Shelvey has had a conversation with Smac before signing which is more than ever happened with P45 otherwise they wouldn’t have signed. He’s definitely influencing transfers and, thank god he’s got midfielders, where I believe the biggest weakness lies. I’m hopeful of getting a striker but I think the lads will start scoring now anyway.
    We need wins soon as there is no margin of error now with only Villa down so far.

  • 142 JamesToon // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:24 PM


    thanks for the memories Cheick, you’ve been a great servant.

    I reckon mcclaren will stick with Colback in the MF then just slot Shelvey next to him against west ham

  • 143 Toonces // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:24 PM

    I think that you need to look at the strength of the players that you have coming through and also the strength of your scouting network to be able to operate in the way of an Atletico or Porto. The strength of these fundamental pillars of a club enhance the ability to bring the players coming through and also finding good new players to replace the high priced outgoings. I was very disappointed when Charnley (i think) told the fan forum that we deferred investing in the new training facilities and academy because of our relegation dangers. Relegation or not, those funds should have been invested into the club for the new facilities, academy coaches and such.

  • 144 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:27 PM

    james toon
    thats what i think will happen now if tiote is done buy then….the saivet on as sub if things going ok

  • 145 firebug666 // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:27 PM

    So Ashley is to offer football fans (that’s any football fans) a free Everlast Jacket worth £59.99 if A. you sign up to the Sports Direct Facebook Page, and B. We beat West Ham at the weekend.

    Think I will be cutting my nose off to spite my face on this off, He can Stuff his freebies where the sun don’t shine.

  • 146 JamesToon // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:28 PM

    Feel quite sad that Tiote is going…

  • 147 John Tudor // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:31 PM

    good business for the tat man, for nufc no

  • 148 Ravostag // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:31 PM

    Lets face facts we have won 7 games all year and need to win 7 more out the next 17 to stay up, doubt whether we can do that its a tall order. Seems a bit late to try and buy your way out of trouble we should have been more proactive in the last 2 windows, and what about a CB

  • 149 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:32 PM

    seems macca was reluctant to go but tiote wanted to go and the money was to good to turn down so all happy

  • 150 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:33 PM

    Well it looks like Tiote is gone, alot of fans will be happy with the money,
    Tbh I don’t think Macca wanted him to go but MA will be looking for some money back and would make the decision.

  • 151 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:33 PM

    reluctant to let him go#

  • 152 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:35 PM

    james toon
    ya never know saivet may pleasantly surpirse you

  • 153 Hail Wor Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:35 PM

    Good riddance. Contributed nothing for at least 3 seasons.

  • 154 Tonytoon73 // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:36 PM

    How much did he go for

  • 155 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:36 PM

    surprise even!lol

  • 156 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:36 PM

    8m apparently

  • 157 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:36 PM

    A Sports Direct insider said: “Mike knows that customers love our crazy prices and great giveaways so he’s decided to go the extra mile to get everybody behind the team.”

    Mike Ashley’s preferred media partner ripping the p*** out of him. How fitting.

  • 158 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:37 PM


    Or he may not have dialogue with Charnley because he’s a teaboy who was named as a director but all he does is suck Ashley off. The point is every club has a chief scout, they have a group of people deciding….don’t forget mcclaren is apparently on this board and no one was bought before he was employed so he had input as well.

    At Citeh Pellegrini gets no say in who they are buying, at Chelsea mourinho wasn’t allowed to sign who he wanted and they got baba at LB etc etc. Most clubs have a team who pick the players bought, Brenda had no say at Liverpool.

    As always with Ashley it’s all about distractions, JFK was bought in to take the brunt of the abuse when no one was signed for 2 windows and Cabaye was sold, most think he was clueless, I think he did exactly what Ashley wanted and carried his instructions to a tee. Whilst you and others question Carr who btw I don’t rate as I rate no scouts in the world Ashley will be loving it as all fingers are pointed elsewhere to his appointed scapegoats. SD make stock cheap sell cheap but make good margins, no different to nufc.

    1 thing I will say in favour of Carr, no scout in the world gets 50% of deals right, I’d be very surprised if they did. When you are basement hunting half that again and you’ll get 25% if you are lucky.

    You are ranting at someone you’ve been told is the brains behind signing players….the person who told you that just so happens to be a pathological liar who is yet to tell 1 truth in his time as owner!!

    I think I’ll believe Ashley pulls all the strings, hires all the staff to give him advice and does what he thinks makes best economic sense for the club irrelevant of what would be best for the club because that Mike Ashley.

  • 159 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:42 PM

    Done deal then….shocking news for us.

    Line up on saturday will most certainly look lime that now. Remember Shelvey was promised as advanced role.

    Saivet, Colback
    Sissoko, Shelvey, Gini

    Poor bit of business by us

  • 160 firebug666 // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:42 PM


    1. I would never sign up to their Facebook page, as they would obviously spam my email.
    2. You have to pay the postage and packaging and that’s probably more than the cost of making the jacket.
    3. This offer is open to all football fans so a big chance for the Makems to get some new clothes, and who would want to dress like a Makem?
    4. I just dislike Ashley and want sweet FA off the man.

  • 161 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:44 PM

    Toonkk and Springy

    I speculated the other night that from Mac and TIote’s reactions at the final whistle that may have been his farewell. Both seemed genuinely at ease and I presume that they were expecting his move.

    Over the years Tiote has probably been held back from a move to top 4 club when in his prime and the purchase of the 2 CM has now opened the door for a move for him. Club are happy at fee and he with a good last pay day. He deserves this if it is what he wants.

    Goes with my thanks and best wishes.

  • 162 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:46 PM

    still think shelvey will be one of the two holding midfield positions just he’ll be expected to join the attack like cabaye did with someone just sitting and holding….saivet,colback,anita type…probs saivet eventually

  • 163 firebug666 // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:47 PM

    Tiote has been a great servant for us and I wish him well, I will never forget his equaliser against the gooners. Pure class back then.

  • 164 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:47 PM

    firebug666 – I think I will give the offer a pass myself. I wonder if that is Ashley’s big idea to win the public over and get his share prices up. It looks almost satirical it is so poorly thought out.

  • 165 Goofy // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:48 PM

    I must be the only one who’s not going to miss Tiote. He always getting booked/sent off, has quite a lot of international duties, makes silly passes back to the defence putting them under unnecessary pressure, passes side ways. Fair enough he’s been not bad the lastvcouple of games but I’d take the money thank you, not that the price means anything to us fans. The money will only be to lower the difference between the Saivet and Shelvey buys.

  • 166 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:48 PM

    Mr T offski to the far east then for 8 mill eh ??
    He has looked out of sorts for a good few seasons now, And started this season in shocking form. Was over weight and well off the pace.
    Yes we are in a relegation scrap and Tiote has put in 2 top draw performances of late. but if the club reinvest that money back into the squad this January……..then 8 mill is a good price for Tiote.
    Thanks for your service Mr T and the goal against Arsenal will live long in the memory

  • 167 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:49 PM

    would of preferred to keep him just till we were safe.. but do agree with what you say… good luck to him.

  • 168 firebug666 // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:50 PM


    I think you are right mate.

    The stock is most likely seconds that he has already reclaimed the value of as damaged stock. That man gives nothing away, especially his motives.

  • 169 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:52 PM

    his man utd performance when we won 3-0 was his stand out game for me….absolute beast on the night and dominated

  • 170 firebug666 // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:54 PM


    I agree it was a great performance, but that goal v gooners and the reaction afterwards will live long in the memories.

  • 171 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:55 PM

    Some might say the money had already been reinvested, hypothetical question but what happens if saivet doesn’t settle or breaks his leg?

    If Tiote wants to leave then he can do so at the end of the season, the most important thing is to ensure the club’s safety not to make a quick return on a player as 2 other are bought in. All it take is for 1 or 2 injuries in CM and we’ll be back at square 1

    Goofy Tiote red card…..Really? in 140 odd games I can only remember 2 reds, that’s the same as Janmaat and less than Colo

  • 172 firebug666 // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:57 PM

    Thank You Tiote

  • 173 CookyToon // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:57 PM

    8 mil for Tiote? Someone get the taxi. Absolute battering ram a few year ago but his best days are gone, and now hes a penalty or a red card waiting to happen.

    Feel sorry for Thauvin, the lad is only 22 and isnt going to prove anything playing the last 10 minutes of a game in a league that he’s just joined. Id be giving him a few 90 minutes in a row and then it truly is sink or swim.. besides its not like we’ve got many other options on the left!!

  • 174 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:57 PM

    that whole arsenal game was mental!…..but the reaction to the goal give me goose bumps and i was just watching in the pub… SJP must of been electric!lol

  • 175 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:58 PM

    Good luck to him and thanks for the memories, especially the arsenal game. Now the rest need to step up and settle quick otherwise we’ll be waving bye bye to


    And many more if we get relegated

  • 176 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:59 PM

    goose bumps again watchin the vid!lol

  • 177 firebug666 // Jan 14, 2016 at 8:59 PM


    His only ever goal I think, not counting the one that should never have been disallowed.

  • 178 Goofy // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:00 PM

    Our toon

    Yeah me saying sending offs was a bit off the mark but he always seemed 1 more booking from being banned.
    His goal against Arsenal is up there with my all time favourite goals.
    Good luck to him but I’m not going to mshed any tears, onwards and upwards hopefully.

  • 179 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:01 PM

    Oh another one claiming he’s a red card waiting to happen. Ahaha yeah 2 or 3 red cards in 140 odd games makes you a red card waiting to happen

  • 180 nearly // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:02 PM


    love it how you know so much about players wages ,fees etc some boy you

  • 181 firebug666 // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:03 PM

    Officials for West Ham game lads & lasses:

    The Premier League have now announced the Match Day officials that will take charge of the game against West Ham this weekend.

    Newcastle host West Ham on Saturday January 16 for the game at St James’ Park and the match carries a 3pm kick off.

    Referee: Neil Swarbrick
    Linesmen: S Ledger and J Brooks
    Fourth Official: L Mason

    Match Day referee Swarbrick (Lancashire) is yet to officiate a Newcastle game this season.

    He has however already taken in seventeen other matches so far in 2015-16 and in those games, across all competitions and football divisions, he has handed out a total of 61 yellow cards and four red cards.

    He was most card happy in the match between Sunderland and West Ham on October 3 a total of seven yellows being shown and one red.

    Let`s hope it`s not another repeat and more of our players edge closer to automatic bans.

  • 182 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:04 PM

    rivierre marveaux and roberts score for u21’s and still end up loosing 4-3 against everton

  • 183 Sav // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:05 PM

    All depends how Saivet, Tiote’s direct replacement, does for us. He’s an unknown quantity at the Toon. Can’t argue with the fee for Cheick. But the expensive flops (Thauvin, Riviere, Cabella de Jong and maybe when the jury returns, even Mitrovic) are piling up on the debit column for Carr. Still, this week it is 2 in and 1 out, so that is better than nowt.

  • 184 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:05 PM


    I know what you mean mate but he wins more tackles then he loses, he’s a DM he’s going to get booked. Colback has picked up more bookings than Tiote….he’s going to break his record of last season very quickly, is less effective.

    If we were 10th or 14th and 8 pts clear of relegation I’d say sell him for 8m. But we are 2nd from bottom in relegation and a position which is vital in modern day football….and especially for a club that can’t defend. All this ensures is Colo will be out charging into midfield now to pull gaps

  • 185 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:05 PM

    if he’s that card happy…. colback is f**ked!!lol

  • 186 CookyToon // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:06 PM

    Our Toon

    By that i meant he’s one of the only players on the team that you wince at when he tackles.. should i say multiple yellows waiting to happen 😉

  • 187 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:06 PM


    Yeah he went through a few barnstorming years and was being banded abt in the 20 mill bracket, All the top clubs sniffing around. But his contribution to the cause of late has been nothing of significance. how many games has Tiote made an impact in over the last 3 year ???………….bet ya none sprung to mind straight away

  • 188 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:08 PM

    Our Toon

    Your posts are a delicious mix of assumptions, opinions, 2cnd hand stories and odd facts which I find difficult to separate at times. My posts are opinions too but with a genuine attempt to correlate various factors into a cogent interpretation. I accept that my speculations may be wrong but don’t believe I rant as you have it. I think if you look at others you will see what a rant looks like – you have been on here long enough to figure out who they may be.

    I find it extremely difficult to accept that any business man( including Ashley) running a multi-million empire can devote the requisite time to involve himself in the day to day running of a football club. Yes they are his appointments and I have said before if he made ones as incompetent as the football ones in SD he would not be as asset rich as he is.

    After all SD is THE business with a football club something he can entrust to others as long as they don’t get us relegated. End of season chats might be interesting for some.

    If anyone on here knows and has any influence with any reasonable, knowledgeable and modest football personality ( Talk Sport Radio personalities don’t count ) try and get him to frequent Ashley’s local and inveigle himself into his company, win his confidence and Hey Presto a New Dawn could be ours – sorry Graham.

    Need to have a break I am told (!) so might be on later.
    Thanks for chats

  • 189 firebug666 // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:09 PM


    I don’t mind the cards if he is waving them at the Hammers players, but we may need to do some urgent transfer business (or more urgent transfer business) if he gets a bee in his bonnet with us.

  • 190 OneAlanShearer // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:10 PM

    My biggest concern is that we still seem allergic to signing defenders who can primarily defend. Yes we need at least one striker and a left winger but we are taking a major risk both in not having cover or a replacement for colo. Saylor and lascelles are risky for different reasons but I suppose not getting a striker or left winger are far more of a priority.

  • 191 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:11 PM


    We all wince when he makes a challenge, more so the opposition player who knows he’s got a physical player against him. If Saivet doesn’t fill the void and let’s face it he’s unknown then opposition players will be flicking away colback and Anita as little bugs.

  • 192 CookyToon // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:12 PM

    Vidic been released from Inter.. get him brought in!!

  • 193 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:14 PM


    Last 2 games he’s played for us he made a significant impact on the game and team. One of a few players who looked like he was actually in form and wanting to fight for the cause…..In a relegation fight if you have no fighters you go down as we all to well know from past experience

  • 194 lochinvar // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:14 PM

    I thought this lad was on a few peoples wish list ?
    If he was…too late ( again )
    Leeds United have accepted a £4m offer from Premier League side Everton for right-back Sam Byram, reports BBC Radio Leeds.

  • 195 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:16 PM

    it would be a nightmare if the game after the window shuts mbemba goes down with hammy and we have sold willo…..lascelles maybe good enough we dont know but he’s only just back from injury and obviuosly perma-crock taylor cant be trusted to run on the pitch without something falling off him…..i would spend 5m on kone, who has been linked with the mackems then that allows us to keep the bulk of the money for a striker and winger

  • 196 firebug666 // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:18 PM

    Our Toon

    I think Saviet and Shelvey have enough about them to toughen up our midfield mate.

    From what I have read on Saviet, he like to get into a tackle, reads the game well and can make a pass, he also has the speed to bring the ball forward.

    There was a piece on newsnow where it compared his statistics to those of Colback and Anita and his were a long way better across the board.

    The only real question I suppose is can he hit the ground running in the premiership?

    I think he will do well, may take him a couple of games to get up to speed like.

  • 197 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM

    Our toon
    @post 166 I stated Tiote had had 2 good games of late and looked like something of old..But that is as far as it goes.
    The beginning of the season he was dire and that putting it politely. go back through the beginning of the season and see what the opinion of Tiote was .
    Tiote of old I grant you mate I would have been gutted to lose such a talent, and agree we need all the fighters we can get on the pitch. But 2 games out of half season does not warrant me thinking he will be a great loss

  • 198 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:23 PM

    aarons played the whole u21 game apparently so might be available if there no over night changes

  • 199 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:25 PM


    I’ll repeat for you mate, he has appointed figures for you to blame like he has done with Llambias, wise etc etc etc etc. I didn’t say he was at SJP 24 hrs a day….If I did please point out where I stated that to be the case.

    I own multiple business so I know what I spend my time on and what’s productive etc. I’ve appointed people to give me recommendations based on what might be good but ultimately it’s my business and I’m 100% owner and not in partnership. Sometimes ill agree sometimes I won’t, but it needs to make business sense for me to agree.

    Now running a football club for most is a plaything except mike, he sees it as a business…..he’s appointed people to the board but unlike SD he has full control of direction and how best to use the information provided to him. Colo went out for a meal with Ashley and the owner persuaded him to stay. He could have sold him for 3m to palace but rejected the bid….Every man and his dog can see we need a CB but is Carr to blame for Colo getting a new deal or charnley or mcclaren? Or is it really Ashley who makes all the decisions whilst delegating to others!! The board are in place like they are in all companies but they answer to 1 man amd 1 man only…..he’s the one who sanctions every deal and before doing so he doesn’t ask the bloke who used to make his tea for him to broker multi million pound deals!! I wouldn’t as a businessman and I’m not certain most others would!!

  • 200 Jack Root // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:26 PM

    Financial Fair Play has and does affect us!
    It was introduced in August 2013. One of the key areas that has been influential in buying players is the FFP regulations regarding Premier League wage bills. Basically, any club in the league with a wage bill of more than £52 million can only increase their wage bill by £4 million per year for the next 3 years. In our case additional corporate money can be used- the Wonga deal- but only by the amount added on top of a current deal and spread out over the terms of the current contract ( wef 8/2013) . What it means for NUFC is they can only actually increase their wage bill from somewhere between £80k-£100k per week for the 3 years until 8/2016.
    Looking back. Departures of for example Perch, Harper and Simpson totalling around £70k per week enabled us to sign Remy on between £70-£80k per week. Following its introduction a number of clubs played a waiting game including us. Note that transfer fees aren’t/ weren’t taken into consideration just wages.
    At the time clubs that did do a lot of trading got their top earners off their wage bill . This explains the mackems buying and selling an
    entire squad. It appears that they actually decreased their wage bill in the process. Villa got rid of Richard Dunne and Darrent Bent’s entire wage bill In order to do new business. We didn’t have that but our top earners were the likes of Coloccini, Yanga-Mbiwa and Sissoko. It explains one of the reasons Sissoko and Gouffran were brought in 6 months early as other signings may not have been possible at all. Those two were initially signed on pre contract deals to come into force in the next window. A mix of FFP and our situation I am sure played a part in those 2 deals.
    Swansea, Southampton, Norwich, the promoted teams were able to use the TV money much more freely as they could get their wage bill up to £52 million per year and actually afford to do so. It’s also allowed promoted clubs subsequently to play catch up and compete unlike in previous times – that was the Premier League’s intention and it has worked.
    Maybe it explains the 2013 pre season at Newcastle. The Kinnear appointment made no sense. Our wage bill was at that time one of the largest below the top 5 clubs in the league and that is what arguably restricted transfer activity.
    Think on this, in my opinion we had pretty much done a deal for Gomis when Dan Gosling came back from Crystal Palace. He was on £30k per week wages and that deal fell through.
    It’s not a conspiracy theory Mag 52’.

  • 201 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:29 PM

    Our Toon @171

    Just before I go and going with your worries if Saivet fails or should break a leg what if Tiote has the misfortune to suffer a Raylor type serious injury and miss 2 seasons – where then a fee and his last big pay day. As you say it is all speculation and decisions have to be made.

    A factor in this may have been the press speculation (that word again) that he wasn’t as injured as he made out and could have been available (sulking ?). Is it coincidence that he has been in the shop window and had his best run of games for 2 years as transfer window opens? I don’t know but would hate to find that if he didn’t get his wish and was here in February his injury returns oh the irony. Life is just a load of what if’s if one isn’t careful?

    On Colback’s yellow card total haven’t checked but wouldn’t be surprised if he hadn’t played more games than Tiote this season and it wouldn’t be a reasonable comparison.

  • 202 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:29 PM


    At the beginning of the season he was unfit and had just recovered from a 6 month lay off…..didn’t have much of a pre season if any at all

  • 203 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:34 PM


    It could happen to tiote and if he had stayed and did get injured then we’d have lost out on 3 million max? He would have gone for 5m at least in summer…..let’s say 4m max we would have missed out on. Small risk to take really isn’t it?

    Especially when you compare it to the 100m to be gained by staying in the league.

    I’d be more than happy if Tiote stayed and saivet started ahead of him, at least we would have had like for like back up. Does that answer your question?

  • 204 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:35 PM

    Our toon
    What about last season or the season before that. Sorry mate Tiote has done nothing to make me think he will be a massive loss as if we were selling say Gini or the Chancellor or Sissoko.
    If that money is spent on an 8 mill centre half then that for me is good business.

  • 205 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:39 PM

    Tiote has gone,at least we’re got two new signings in. But are we still actively looking for a new striker that we desperately need? What about our poor defence will that be strengthened?

  • 206 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:40 PM


    Everything is a case of what ifs mate no denying that. But no ifs about 8m v 100m….that you call a no brainer. You don’t have to be argumentative over every point I make now because I didn’t agree with Carr being the all evil scout and the root of all our problems. You slated him before but want seem optimistic enough to let Tiote go and be replaced by one of his new recommended players that he scouted.

    If you look at Tiote’s record for nufc over his career and Colbacks record in terms of games played to cards then you’ll notice Jack is on par if not worse off when it comes to cards. I wasn’t talking about this season. I did say colback will beat last season’s record of 12 bookings though this season

  • 207 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:44 PM

    Our Toon

    ..and finally I find myself getting into a loop here similar to the one last week you had with Blackley but a simple question show me the empirical evidence to support your assertion –

    “I’ll repeat for you mate, he has appointed figures for you to blame like he has done with Llambias, wise etc etc etc etc”

    I can’t wait for your response ( don’t think there is one anyway) as I do have to go . My take is they were mistakes ( not that I expect he would admit it).

    Anyway just the views of a simple retiree who is old enough to know better than to come on the blog and make comparatively less well supported views and think I can just drift away. Haven’t even had my usual nemesis’s to contend with either 🙂

  • 208 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:45 PM

    Jazzy P

    You are entitled to your opinion sir. I’d rather have Marv etc leave before letting a useful squad player leave who can still add something to the first team if we have problems in that area. It should be about competition for places.

    We have 2 pressers in colback and Anita, potentially 1 ball winner in saivet but I haven’t seen the lad play so have no idea, Shelvey isn’t a ball winner but if something happened to him we have Gini, SDJ Perez who can all be moved round etc.

    In my opinion selling Tiote weakens the squad, as for reinvested….yep like Carroll and Cabaye before them we can keep hoping. Let’s hope it’s invested in a CB or a DM who’s a tough tackler and not on Townsend

  • 209 Belfast // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:48 PM

    I remember Vidic in his last season at Man United and he looked done to be honest. He’s probably ten times worse nowadays. A beast of a centre half in his pomp though.

  • 210 Belfast // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:49 PM


  • 211 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:52 PM

    Our toon

    I totally agree bud, The likes of Marvs-Obertan-Gouffy-Willo should have all been moved on first.
    But we haven’t been able to do that because we have had no takers for the simple fact they are sh@te.
    Tiote has only played 17 games in the last 20 month mate so I wouldn’t really say that we are weakening our squad by selling a player that hardly plays out on the pitch

  • 212 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:54 PM

    jazzy p
    if someone were to offer 8m for marv and co they would be gone….but thats the problem …nee one wants them!!lol

  • 213 jazzyp // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:55 PM

    SSN Transfer Centre:
    Newcastle are now the odds-on favourites at 1/2 with Sky Bet to sign Saido Berahino in the current transfer window

  • 214 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:56 PM

    Tbf i agree with our toon, Tiote should have been kept until the end of the season then sold.
    We all know he isn’t the player he was but he was a fighter and a better option than alot of our flops.
    Although I was always waiting for his first nasty foul, which he nearly always delivered.
    Good luck to him, we’ll always remember the fab goal he scored against Arsenal for ever.

  • 215 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:58 PM


    We aren’t even debating something which can be proven, it’s opinions of 2 people who have differing views. I judge Ashley on what I’ve seen with other companies he’s ran. You judge Carr on as it’s you perogative mate.

    As for the the debate I had last week, I left that debate after 2 evenings, it rambled on for another 4 days I believe with others. It’s a blog people will voice opinions, some will agree some will not. No hard feelings mate but this is one thing we won’t agree on….come next week we may agree on something completely different.

    In my eyes Ashley is and always will be the biggest problem at the club, I boycott SJP and all mash holdings subsidiaries as a result until he sells the club!! Carr isn’t someone I worry about because he’s a tiny piece in a bigger problem!! All the best…..good debating!!

  • 216 Mag52 // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:59 PM

    Our Toon.

    I can’t disagree that four managers covering three separate leagues did better than AP in spite of a number of years without their clubs making a net spend.
    That simply shows that, while it is hard for a manager to work under that sort of restraint, it’s not impossible, and the better managers, and I include Moyes amongst those, can do it. Pardew also did it but, as a manager of less ability, with less success.

  • 217 CookyToon // Jan 14, 2016 at 9:59 PM


    Its not so much about his pace or ball work anymore the man knows how to organise a defence which is one of our biggest weaknesses.. and his experience & leadership is second to none.

    Wouldnt happen in a million years but id be over the moon.

  • 218 toonaus // Jan 16, 2016 at 1:03 PM

    Nothing like some Newcastle magic. Okay audience see this here player i will now say the magic words profit profit profit and he will disappear now you see him now you don’t. Here’s another trick watch this player now we’ll sign the opposite player you weren’t expecting and for the final trick watch 24million disappear. Are theses guys serious about staying up f hell man where’s the striker are you serious that Southampton signed Austin for 4 million and we sign two more Midfield players oh wait i can understand now that’s right we can only make it to midfield we just have to ask the ref to allow us to move the goals closer and kindly ask the keeper if he could go get a drink or orange while we try and score a goal.

  • 219 toonaus // Jan 16, 2016 at 1:09 PM

    You have to wonder is there a plan in place because this really is scary shit. A guy said to me the other day will Newcastle stay up and i said only if they can win their next 3 games and we have drawn our last. Hopefully Sunderland lose against the Spurs

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