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Breaking News – French Winger Wants Return To France

12:50 pm, Thursday, January 14th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 147 Comments

French Newspaper L`Equipe and local Marseille paper La Provence are both reporting today that Florian Thauvin could be headed to France and back to former club Marseille, after what has been a disastrous move for him to Newcastle United – orchestrated by Chief Scout Graham Carr.

He was signed for an inflated price of about £12M after he had a poor season in France – but Newcastle still overpaid for him.

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Florian  Thauvin – returning to Marseille?

The French papers are reporting that negotiations are ongoing for Thauvin to return to his former club on a loan deal to the end of the season, after he has failed to settle and is not getting regular football on Tyneside.

Maybe Newcastle can use this as a means of getting a player from Marseille in return on loan – maybe Michy Batshuayi?

It looks like it’s Florian himself who is trying to force the move back to France and he just hasn’t fitted in at Newcastle and doesn’t seem to want to try to do that any longer.

It would be up to Steve McClaren to decide whether he will allow the Frenchman to leave, after all he is still acclimatizing to the Premier League and if he can do that he would be a better player for it.

It looks like Marseille are willing to do the deal and we have to believe Thauvin’s agent has been in contact with the French club before now,  testing the waters to see if they would be willing to do a deal.

Newcastle are said to be coming up with an answer today to the young Frenchman – and we wouldn’t be surprised is they let him return to France.

But then in the summer Newcastle could stand to lose quite a bit on the player because no club would be willing to give £12M to Newcastle for a player who has failed in England.

It looks like it’s been a poor deal for everybody concerned.

We were always asking the question why did Newcastle think this deal would work after a similar player to Thauvin in both physique and style –  Remy Cabella – had failed last season?

We should hear more about this today.

It didn’t help anybody or anything when fans booed the young Frenchman during the end of the game at Watford that we lost 1-0 in the 3rd round of the FA Cup.

It’s been a poor deal made by Graham Carr – that’s for sure.

Comments welcome.



Tags: Loan Moves · Newcastle News · Transfer News and Rumours




147 responses so far ↓

  • 1 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 12:54 PM

    dream on ed!

  • 2 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 12:55 PM

    Really not sure about what the deals are with those two, surely we couldn’t have around 25M worth of talent out on loan, not that anyone in the world pay that for them anymore. Definitely something amiss there like.
    Someone mentioned the FFP the other day, does that still exist since ironically the two most corrupt men in World football came up with the idea ?

  • 3 richyg01 // Jan 14, 2016 at 12:56 PM

    Not of real advantage to NUFC in this window as it will be a loan, and we will have to foot some of his wage bill.

    Also, is it a coincidence that Cabella is now ‘injured’ only a couple of games away from OM being due to pay us the agreed transfer fee to take him permanently?

  • 4 Hail Wor Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 12:59 PM

    Sign Cabella for 8 – sell for 6

    Sign Thauvin for 12 – sell for 6

    Pretty much written a cheque for £8m to Marseille if that happens. Genius Carr.

    To make matters worse, both were bought to replace the best talent we’ve had over the last 10 years who we let go on a free. Remarkable.

  • 5 solano38 // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:00 PM

    L’Equipe also say that Lille are interested in Gouffran.

  • 6 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:00 PM

    Richy
    From NUFC.com
    It remains to be seen whether United are interested in releasing Thauvin, but the fate of fellow midfielder Cabella seems unrelated to that decision.

    He’s also injured at present but although loaned out to OM as part of the Thauvin acquisition, the 16 Ligue 1 appearances Cabella has made are believed to have triggered the clause turning the temporary deal into a permanent switch (although neither club have yet confirmed that).

  • 7 richyg01 // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:00 PM

    Worth a punt for me…

    http://www.squawka.com/news/five-options-nemanja-vidic-could-consider-after-inter-milan-exit/573008?

  • 8 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:02 PM

    All the product of a process dreamed up from the guy you hail.
    Funny old world.

  • 9 Hail Wor Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:03 PM

    Yeah and Cabella’s latest tweet 18 hours ago is a row of angry face emojis. Could be anything, but I’m sure it’s related to his transfer and/or Thauvin’s mistreatment, akin to his, in his eyes.

  • 10 Hail Wor Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:07 PM

    I thought the subs on and selection of bench was odd the other night. Definitely a bit of the shop window strategy went in to the decisions. Gouffran on in CM, Marveaux on the bench, Toney coming on – all reminders to other clubs I think.

  • 11 Bambams // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:08 PM

    Makes you wonder if Carr ‘declares’ all his earnings

    Not having a pop at Thauvin and it’s not his fault he cost us so much – but what did our ‘all seeing professional board’ see in him.

  • 12 richyg01 // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:09 PM

    @10.

    With our current team, I really do think that a fit Marv could be a god-send to us down the wing.

    We have no end product really, we either play through the middle or have a striker out on the wing trying to put a cross into an empty box.

  • 13 Mag52 // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:11 PM

    This Thauvin business has to be bad news for Carr.
    Put him out to graze Ashley.

  • 14 banjax // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:18 PM

    Carr’s and his scouting choices has a lot to answer for. He has cost Mike Ashley £millions in lost transfer values particularly in the French market and for me his services should be terminated forthwith.

  • 15 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:22 PM

    Has the lad been given a fair crack yet? I can see why he wants out, young / bench warming and not getting game time to adapt. Give him a few games rather than 5mins here and 2 mins there!! Is this failings of the scout or failings of the manager who hasn’t managed to integrate him properly by messing him around.

    I’ll get slated for that comment but he’s had less than 2 games worth of playing time in the league….Some take longer than others to settle!!

  • 16 Bambams // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:23 PM

    You hear about ‘agents fees’ but never ‘scouts fees’. Aye he will be on a wage with Newcastle but what’s to stop clubs offering little incentives to scouts to move players they no longer want.
    Just look at the head of FIFA….It happens.
    To me Thauvin is no better suited than Cabella was….Just don’t know why we didn’t learn from that mistake.
    Not suggesting Carr is corrupt but maybe he can be swayed towards certain players we wouldn’t normally look at
    Imo

  • 17 smoke beer, drink tabs // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:24 PM

    If thauvin goes back then Carr needs to go. 25m spent on cabella and thauvin and they both go back to clubs on loan? 25m would have bought us a good striker and centre half instead of 2 wingers that we didn’t need

  • 18 hibbitt // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:25 PM

    our toon who would drop to play him ?

  • 19 richyg01 // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:26 PM

    Is it that the scouting is bad?

    There is a difference in pace and playing style between other leagues/countries and the EPL, we all know that.

    So a player can look brilliant playing in another league, but bring them to the EPL and they need time to adjust either their style of play or their physique.

    The problem with Newcastle, is we buy players if/when we have to. When we buy them players, we do not give them time to bed in or adapt, we expect them to continue how they left off playing in their last YouTube video compilation.

    So, I dont think the scouting is as much of the issue, just the team management and also our league position do not help us to give players the time they need.

  • 20 ochytoon // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:26 PM

    Vidic is not worth a punt, his legs have gone. Been poor for Inter

  • 21 MadisonToon // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:27 PM

    Lots of people calling for Carr’s head, but what’s your alternative? Do you know that other clubs are faring consistently better in the transfer market on a similar setup with a different chief scout? Who would you replace Carr with? It’s easy to call for a scalp without considering the ramifications.

    I’m not saying Carr is a great scout or should stay, but judgments without adequate comparisons (or replacements) aren’t useful.

  • 22 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:28 PM

    Hibbit

    Prior to Shelvey joining I would have dropped Perez, pushed Gini in no 10 role, started him in FA cup

  • 23 Hail Wor Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:29 PM

    I just don’t know what possessed Carr to buy Thauvin on the back of Cablla’s failure. They are strikingly similar in style, build, speed (not very quick, like Perez, who some seem to think is quick), technical ability, intelligence, work rate. Both very average with no outstanding attributes, physically or technically. Obertan contributes more than both and that says something!

  • 24 LGFUAD21 // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:29 PM

    It was a stupid transfer in the first place.

    Cabella was excelling in France when we signed him.

    Thauvin was raw talent failing miserably in France. Voted into worst team of the year in L’Equipe I believe.

    We’ll loose major money on this transfer. Surely questions have to be asked. Especially after the amount Carr scouted him. Surely he knew he’d flop.

  • 25 hibbitt // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:36 PM

    my big problem is with carr being on the board he should do one job and one job only in effect he is a board member ….director of football……chief scout……with no accountability not a good idea this makes him the most powerful man at the club

  • 26 richyg01 // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:38 PM

    Another potential striker to cross of the list of ‘targets’

    SSN:
    “Sean Dyche does not fear losing Burnley’s record signing Andre Gray this month – mainly because regulations stipulate he cannot play for another club this season.”

  • 27 reilly // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:40 PM

    everyone in france knew this kid wouldnt make it in the prem,carr and charnley had there pants pulled down by OM.or a few back handers

  • 28 Hail Wor Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:40 PM

    Carr doesn’t need firing, he just needs to be brought down a peg back in to the traditional chief scout role and allow the manager to wield the most power on transfers. It’s ridiculous having a scout sign players the management isn’t keen on and reluctantly accepts.

  • 29 nightfa11 // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:41 PM

    What did you expect.. Mclaren only picks his favourites..Thauvin isnt one of them..and when he gets 5 minutes of game time..”the best fans in the world” booo him..

  • 30 BeeGuy // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:41 PM

    This news could be the opening gambit for the triumphant return of Nile Ranger.

  • 31 nightfa11 // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:46 PM

    Hail wor Ashley

    Thats true, But for a manager to gain that right he needs to prove he knows wtf hes doing.. Mclaren is as limited as potato

  • 32 hibbitt // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:47 PM

    hail
    very true especially when it will be the the manager who stands or falls on carr’s decisions

  • 33 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:48 PM

    Round we go again. Like Carr just walked into work one day and said “right, from now on, I’m deciding, the transfer policy, style of play and who the manager plays, if you don’t like it, then ram it”
    Mikey just sat there meekly and said “right Graeme, get on with it”

  • 34 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:53 PM

    Jail

    That’s what cracks me up about this, it’s all Carr this and that. He doesn’t sign the cheques, he didn’t magically walk into this position…..it all stems from Ashley

  • 35 lesh // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:53 PM

    Has Carr been getting ‘commission’ on some of his deals?

  • 36 hibbitt // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:54 PM

    jail
    if that was aimed at me i know who the problem is but this is the situation as it stands carr has to much power who gave him that power is another major problem…………ashley out

  • 37 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:55 PM

    ‘when he gets 5 minutes of game time..”the best fans in the world” booo him..’

    Thauvin came on after 52 minutes, and the boos happened at the end of the game after the side kept missing repeated golden opportunities. Not quite “5 minutes” and not quite the innocent party either.

  • 38 nightfa11 // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:56 PM

    Ashley trusts carr more than he trusts mclaren.. And I support Ashley with his decision.. Mclaren proved nothing yet, while carr did bring some world class players for peanuts..

  • 39 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:58 PM

    No hibbit it wasn’t, it was aimed at the poster formerly known as Catchys pet lip, who claims to hail wor Ashley while constantly moaning about things that can ultimately only be changed by the very man he hails.

  • 40 carl // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:58 PM

    Feeling Judgmental? We just don’t know. Let he without sin cast the first stone.

  • 41 MadisonToon // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:59 PM

    HWA

    I agree on the re-organziation of Carr’s role. He can’t be the one who dictates who comes and goes. McClaren is the one has to get the most out of the players that come in and who decides the team sheet and should be the one who has the final say on incomings and outgoings.

  • 42 Hail Wor Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 1:59 PM

    Ashley isn’t going anywhere, so going down that route is dead fish.

  • 43 hibbitt // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:00 PM

    nightfall11
    we haven’t had a world class player at the club for years some good one’s but not world class

  • 44 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:01 PM

    madison

    I think the frustration comes from seeing the likes of whoever’s scouting for leicester pick up Mahrez and kante and west ham get payet for absolute peanuts from the same league, in some cases the same teams, where we have spent fortunes on cabella, thauvin, riviere etc.

    Our poor selection of coaches and managers does not help of course but even so.

    When it was obvious Cabella wasn’t going to cut it why on earth go and spend double the money on a like for like player with an alleged attitude who was in bad form to start with.

  • 45 carl // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:01 PM

    Up to your old tricks . Hail talks soundly on football issues stop hassling him.

  • 46 robertsleftfoot // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:03 PM

    I agree that Carr needs to be brought into the traditional role of being a scout and a scout only.

    I think the best scouting system when you take away the big clubs is Evertons. They can buy the Lukakus of this world and yes they may get the odd one wrong as everyone does but they bring in steady players, McCarthy Barry Naismith. No they arent world beaters but they are solid squad players available to hold their own most weeks if need be.

    Where as we are relying on Colback putting a decent performance, praying Gini turns up with a goal to have a chance.

    They have 2 for each position who you could argue are better than just cover players ie Duelofeu, Kone, Mirallas, Lennon & McGeady. Everyone will have a differnet choice there of the first two wingers they would pick.

    We have Gini(Not a winger really), Thauvin, Sissoko(IMO again not a winger), Ayoze (again not a winger), Obertan & Aarons(who does not seem to ever play)

    So our choices are play people as wingers who arent actual wingers or line up with Orbertan and Thauvin.

    I honestly think Evertons model is the best to look at in the prem taking away the top clubs.

    Also with Everton people like Kone, Naismith or Mirallas they can play as wingers, play of the front man or actually be the front man.

    I can only imagine asking Obertan or Thauvin to adapt to play off the front man or be the man up top if need be.

  • 47 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:04 PM

    our toon

    the thing is ash knows nowt about football and turns to the likes of jfk, wise and others for advice. That’s only ever going to end one way.

  • 48 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:05 PM

    Hail Wor Ashley

    If you are adamant Ashley is going nowhere then put up with this shite then and stay quiet or take a stand against him. You sound like someone who’s admitted defeat so why complain about how he runs the club or who he deems fit enough to run the scouting?

  • 49 MadisonToon // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM

    RH

    I agree with your thoughts there, but for every great player picked up from France there are undoubtedly others who aren’t succeeding – we just only hear about the Mahrez and Kante’s because they’re plastered over the footballing news.

    Remember when we picked up Debuchy and Sissoko – other clubs probably thought, ‘now why don’t we have a world-class talent-spotter like Newcastle?’ Just trying to bring some perspective to the whole thing.

  • 50 TacoFlavoredKisses ForMyBen-arfa // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:06 PM

    for the 5 millionth time, how do we close the book on this kid when we dont let him play much, and when we do, its out of position??? how is that a recipe for success for anyone? regardless of why or how he got to the team, hes there. Maca needs to do a better job on integrating him. the blame is on maca, not carr. If he gets a fair chance and doesnt preform, then the blame goes back to carr

  • 51 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:07 PM

    What makes anybody think that Carr selects and signs the players?

    As far as I am aware, he is a chief scout. Carr is about as responsible for the players he scouts that are signed, as he is for the players he scouts that are not signed.

  • 52 Hail Wor Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:07 PM

    nightfa11

    Well it doesn’t have to be a binary decision, it should be about cooperation with the manager making the ultimate decision. I’m sure if Cabaye, for example, was recommended to any manager with all the details elucidated, his release clause, his interest in coming, his stats, pretty much any manager would’ve took him from Lille the season after he starred in their championship winning team. Hardly a hidden gem.

  • 53 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:08 PM

    Rotonda

    All scouts missed Kante and Mahrez, better scouts than Carr at better clubs. The problem lies in the remit of buying young players with resale value, hence why the likes of Payet would never be considered here. This was bought in pre Carr…..so in all reality he’s following orders, problem with buying young is that it’s like playing roulette!!

  • 54 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:08 PM

    People who need knocking down a peg or two have stepped over the line set for them. If an employee is stealing socks he needs knocking down a peg or two and searched every night. Mike doesn’t tolerate people stepping over the line.

  • 55 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:09 PM

    Carr recommends players the board decide the targets that includes Ashley and McClaren

  • 56 Hail Wor Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:10 PM

    Our Toon

    No.

  • 57 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:15 PM

    Fergie got the pladits for finding Ronaldo and the grief for Djemba Djemba, that’s how it should be !

  • 58 Hail Wor Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:17 PM

    Carr just gets fixated on a player early on, then no matter how they develop or regress over the passage of time, between him first seeing something in them and us going in for them, he doesn’t change his opinion. We supposedly first scouted Thauvin a few years ago, since then, he didn’t blossom and went backwards, culminating in being named in the Ligue 1 worst XI prior to signing for us, yet Carr seemingly had already made his mind up long ago and didn’t adjust his opinion or value of him.

  • 59 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM

    Has Carr decided they’re to be all be given five and a half year deals so that we can get up to three years out of them on the same wages before selling them rather than a shorter contract then offering them new deals if they’re good, get stuck with a lot of deadwood with a set up like that.

  • 60 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:21 PM

    The Thauvin deal looked like a way to get money back on Cabella, as much as anything.

    If you believe Carr has control of transfers, then you must believe he could have bought Wilfred Bony but opted against it – which makes little sense.

    Carr works under constraints, those constraints come from the person controlling transfers.

  • 61 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:22 PM

    So Moncur, Churnley and Mclaren (wealth of modern footballing knowledge there mind) don’t get any input at all, none of them can get on the phone to Mikey and say, we really shouldn’t sign this guy, he’s exactly the same as the last pants light-weight we signed ?

  • 62 hibbitt // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:26 PM

    our toon
    nufc board………..Moncur Charnley Carr McLaren……NO Ashley were told

  • 63 Mister Tuff // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:28 PM

    More uninformed clap trap about old man Carr. A lot on here pinning the blame for some mediocre signings.
    It could be his fault – equally it might not be. How do we know that he has not suggested some superstar players but others on “the board” plus Tubbs have vetoed his top of the list players and have gone down the list for el cheapo options.
    We just do not know enough about this matter to make any assertions.
    I must say however that really “a scout” should not be on “the board” and thus more prominent in any final decision making process.

  • 64 Mister Tuff // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:31 PM

    Simpson let the cat out of the bag a couple of months ago when he said if Wally wanted a particular player he would speak to Mr Tubbs – NOTE – NOT THE BOARD.

  • 65 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM

    ancient

    people keep saying RESTRAINTS, but we’ve just seen 68M spent and top dollar paid for flops like Rivi, cabella, thauvin, de jong etc etc. i’m sure the likes of norwich, bournemouth, watford, villa etc etc wouldn’t mind those kind of restraints.

    ash’s failure has always been the dodgy and questionable people who he’s delegated to.

  • 66 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:35 PM

    mister tuff

    i think it’s things like dele alli where we allegedly offered 4m and spurs get him for 6m and then we somehow have 14m for thauvin

  • 67 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:36 PM

    Rotonda,
    He only delegates those who won’t question his way of doing things.

  • 68 Mister Tuff // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:40 PM

    I see there are some reports that Shelvey turned down a couple of London clubs one of which was Palace. We also learnt that King Percy spouted he had no interest in Shelvey.
    A conflicting tale???
    I have to say that the logical explanation is that King Percy must have been telling porkies – par for the course.
    Now that King Percy is back in Eeel Pie land he is behaving like that other rogue Dirty Harry.

  • 69 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:41 PM

    could have had dier and alli who we were tracking for a combined 9m

    14m for thauvin inexcusable

  • 70 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:42 PM

    jail

    and what a price we all pay for it.

  • 71 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:42 PM

    Rotonda heights – So money has been wasted in the transfer market… is that because Carr was handed a budget and told to go buy freely, or because the club has been trying to get as much as possible, with the least possible outlay?

    How many of players that Carr scouts do the club sign, all of them? The one’s they can get the best deals on?

    It is far too simplistic to blame Carr for the players the club choose to sign from what I would imagine is a large list of players, all of which have been vetted for ‘sell-on value’ etc.

  • 72 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:44 PM

    “could have had dier and alli who we were tracking for a combined 9m”

    Was that Carr’s decision?

  • 73 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:44 PM

    ancient

    dier and alli both england internationals would have had enormous resale value.

  • 74 Mister Tuff // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:44 PM

    That Alli does seem like an opportunity missed – from a lowly club to Spurs to England in the blink of an eye.
    Good “spoiler” question for the Fans Forum – Who decided not to pursue the interest in Alli – and watch ’em squirm.

  • 75 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM

    Rotonda heights – what makes you think that is was Carr’s decision not to make a move for Dier and Alli earlier, or to push Tottenham with stronger bids?

  • 76 NezzaNUFC // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:45 PM

    Personally I wouldn’t let Thuavin go out on loan, the guy needs a chance and is suppose to have a cracking left foot for crosses we seen that in the league cup what he is capable off so why not give him a chance?

    Cabella also shouldn’t leave us in fact he should be called back because again has not been given a chance to shine under McClaren and imagine this lineup

    Elliott
    Janmaat, Chancel, Colo, Dummett
    Shelvey, Sissoko
    Cabella, Winaldum, Thuavin
    Mitrovic/ Perez

    That’s a cracking team and with options on the bench we could be a couple of players away from a rotation squad.

  • 77 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:46 PM

    ancient

    given ash’s usual frugal approach you would have thought alli and dier would represent far better value to him than carr’s favourite for 14m

  • 78 JP...from The Rock // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:46 PM

    Both players are pants but I rate Cabella that lil’ bit higher. Still two failures by Carr and I just hope they’ve learned from this and now know that we need to buy players that a physically strong and quick to handle the Premier League. No more small framed players that are easily pushed over please Carr and co.

  • 79 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:47 PM

    Rotonda,
    What’s the point in him having people like KK, Mort and a well paid DoF who works well with them. As Pardew said, he gets angry and frustrated when he’s told things he doesn’t understand. Sounded more like someone with learning difficulties than the worlds 312th richest man.

  • 80 Mag52 // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:49 PM

    While I have a lot of sympathy for young Thauvin, in that he’s had little serious playing time, the money paid for him does look excessive. Is this not Charnley’s area of responsibility ?

  • 81 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:51 PM

    There is no doubt that the Thauvin deal looks a bad one, and it is known Carr was tracking him before he joined Lille, which would have cost the club substantially less.

    Considering that Cabella went the other direction, I have serious doubts the club would have bought Thauvin, had Cabella not went the other way – as such, I do not see evidence that Carr is to blame in this instance.

  • 82 lesh // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:51 PM

    Isn’t it Newcastle United that fully researches players’ backgrounds etc before buying?

    Somebody’s not been doing his work has he.

  • 83 richyg01 // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:54 PM

    @82

    Depends if its the good old YouTube scouting system

  • 84 Slank // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:57 PM

    I’ve said it before on this blog that everyone down south knew that Deli Alli would not move north of Watford with his sights firmly set on London.

    We didn’t never had a chance of signing him.

  • 85 ilovetoon8788 // Jan 14, 2016 at 2:58 PM

    Another fantastic signing by Carr to add to the likes rivierre marveaux etc.

    What a joke Carr is.

  • 86 Jack Root // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:00 PM

    It simply could be that McClaren like Pardew before him hasn’t rated some of Carr’s signings. It’s arguably early days for McClaren to judge Thauvin but getting rid of him enables him to make a point to Ashley. It could be a power game he may feel he is playing with Graham Carr; to allow him to get a few players he want. . In McClaren’s mind, Carr recommended the signing of Thauvin and moving him on now enables him to say the player wasn’t a success here and wasn’t suited to the Premier League. He is telling Ashley, that Carr is not infallible and that he is not merely a coach for the players Carr buys. It maybe suits McClaren to get him out and if that is to the detriment of the club when looking at the larger picture then so be it.

  • 87 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:00 PM

    lesh

    yes hilarious when you see the people who have rocked up at sjp

  • 88 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:03 PM

    AncientC,
    Like MisterTuff points out, none of us know the set up so why are people so ready to blame him for the flops. Blaming him for missing Mahrez is like blaming Wengers scouts, note Wengers scouts and not Bob Wilson, Leigh Kurnley and a failed conference managers scouts!

  • 89 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:05 PM

    ilovetoon8788 – Riviere was signed because he was cheap but represented a good punt because of his stats in a weaker league – on the premise he could repeat that form in English football. As for Marveaux, he was a free signing that could be talked down over wages because he failed a medical at Liverpool.

    Why was Carr being so cheap anyway, why didn’t he just buy Premier League proven players, I wonder.

  • 90 Slank // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:08 PM

    If Thauvan does return to France the only good thing that can be said is that the club hasn’t wasted any time in offloading him. Pity some other players could not have been treated the same.

    Personally I think he hasn’t been given enough time. And will not help in attracting other French players to move to the North East which may not be such a bad thing.

  • 91 Jack Root // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:08 PM

    Why shouldn’t McClaren want to be judged on his signings and not Carr’s. The Coach/ Manager should have the final say and not a so called committee who don’t know the price of fish.

  • 92 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:09 PM

    Jack Root,
    Well that’s where the system falls down, the manager has to rate the player or what’s the point.

  • 93 AncientC // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:10 PM

    Jail for Ashley – I would be happy to blame Carr for the transfer policy, if I thought he set the rules. It isn’t very likely that Carr is let loose with the chequebook. To be fair, Carr should really be judged on the players we are linked with, not just the ones that the club choose to sign.

  • 94 Jack Root // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:10 PM

    We would be better off with one of Ed’s polls deciding on whom to buy. On reflection maybe not.

  • 95 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:11 PM

    @88
    Meant to add
    for missing out on Cabaye and Debuchy

  • 96 Jib // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:13 PM

    Just to set the record straight about DeleAlli.

    NUFC had a verbal agreement with MK Dons last January to take him in the Summer window for £5 million.
    It was widely reported in the press.

    On 2nd Feb 2015 3 hours before the winter window closed Spurs nipped in and signed him for £5 million with a loan back to MK Dons to the end of the season.

    He appears not to have an agent so he trousered the signing on fee , he has lived in the home couties all his young life and signing for a North London PL side would have been a no brainer for him and his family.

    Folk have a pop at McClaren being very tight-lipped about transfers but when stuff like this happens you can see why.

  • 97 Jack Root // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:16 PM

    Irrespective, just as a planner doesn’t implement his plan then a scout shouldn’t determine players bought and sold. That’s the managers job. Carr’s major success was Cabaye. A player that the manager at the time( Pard’s) rated so highly that he signed him against initial opposition from the Palace Chairman.

  • 98 Jack Root // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:19 PM

    Good point. Pardew had wrapped up Colback’s signature in January to sign officially in the summer. Managers speak the same language as players. Remember KK’s influence in getting Rob Lee onboard.

  • 99 Slank // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:19 PM

    Jib

    I didn’t know about Alli not having an agent.

    Being a North London lad it jelled with what friends who lived in the area said to me about him not moving north of Watford.

    It must have been a relief to him when Spurs came calling.

  • 100 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:19 PM

    i think it’s widely accepted carr was after thauvin for years and could have got him for far less a few years ago. totally defeats the purpose of a scout if you subsequently pay top dollar once the horse has bolted.

  • 101 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:21 PM

    still would have been nice to counter offer the 5m by 1m up to 6m just to test the water. god knows what he’ll eventually go for now,

  • 102 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:22 PM

    jack root

    wish pardew hadn’t. good squad player, no more

  • 103 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:25 PM

    south africa were 163 for 1, now 235 for 7 !!

  • 104 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:29 PM

    Carl @40
    Did you know … that saying attributed to Jesus comes from the adulterae pericope of John’s Gospel, which itself is believed to have been written 50 to 60 years after the death of Jesus? It’s not in any of our earliest manuscripts and is believed to be a later addition of scribes. We need to get rid of Thauvin, the worthless servant and find a saviour who will score some goals. Amen.

  • 105 Jail for Ashley // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:32 PM

    Without being blessed with someone qualified to set records straight, this blog would go down hill rapidly !

  • 106 ToonMatt // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:37 PM

    Pointless sending him to France on loan, Send him to the championship instead to get him used to the English game if he’s never going to get a chance with us?

  • 107 arpeco19 // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM

    So that’s Remy Cabella signed for £12-13m then loaned to Marseille after a season!!!!! Now Florian Thauvin signed for £12m is gonna be loaned back????? £24-25m wasted by Graham Carr for a club that can’t really afford to do business at the high end of the transfer market, does he really do his job well????

  • 108 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:45 PM

    In Carr we don’t trust.
    A more realistic statement.

  • 109 Jack Root // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:49 PM

    RH’s
    He’s a good member of the squad. I think he could well start v Wh.

    Blackley @ 104
    You learn something new every day. I am impressed I had you down as just being an expert on football. I personally would see how Thauvin performs with a midfield that has more ball retention capability and can therefore feed Thauvin. Like Mitro he’s not received balls always in the right areas. He could just need time and the chance to play in a fully functioning midfield.- not just 20 minutes when we’re struggling. He strikes me as lacking confidence.

  • 110 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:49 PM

    I agree with Toonmat, send Thauvin to the championship, a great league for French players to adapt to English football.

  • 111 Our Toon // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:56 PM

    Hibbit

    You’d have to be gullible to believe the owner doesn’t sit on the board

  • 112 Belfast // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:57 PM

    This is another big embarrassment for the football board/ transfer policy/scouting setup or whatever they’re calling it nowadays.

    Cabella- Flop
    Thauvin- Flop
    24 million ? wasted

    Players like Matt Phillips in the championship who would do a much better job than these blokes.

  • 113 Belfast // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:03 PM

    I wonder how many premier league players we could have actually afforded instead of pissing it down a french drain ?

    Definitely time to go down another route.

  • 114 Reyantoon // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:03 PM

    Thauvin is Ben arfa type player suitable for astute managers. Rarely played here apart from 5 or 10mins.Obviously frustrated. Wouldn’t blame him if he wants to leave. If that is the case,Townsend is his possible replacement, w/h
    I’ll be happy with.If there is a possibility to include Bashuayi, would be great but isn’t Bashuayi extended his contract last week?

  • 115 Sliema // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:11 PM

    In Carr we used to trust.

    But most of his recent one’s have been stinkers and between Riviere, Cabella, Thauvin and the rest it’s a huge chunk of cash that could’ve been spent better on players or a decent manager.

    Respect for what he achieved a few years ago, credit where and when it was due, but his early retirement is now long overdue.

  • 116 p // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:15 PM

    if you have a strategy of buying for profit and you are making loss and at the same time put the club in the relegation zone, your continuing employment does not look good.

    There are hits and misses on all transfers of all clubs but Cabella and Thauvin were big screw ups.

    A 12m signing in the Summer should have a considerable impact on the squad. He is a young lad, not his fault and maybe he will be great at some point in the future but it was not the right buy for Newcastle.

    Seems everyone except Carr and the board could see that.

  • 117 brklyngeordie // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:23 PM

    I don’t agree with letting him leave I don’t feel he has been given a real chance and how can anyone link with Dummett on the left? Feel like with a better midfield allowing him to play wide and focus on crossing and beating his man he could show us what he’s got..

    Am a little disappointed though that if it’s the fans booing him in the FA Cup match is what has him wanting out that shows mental fragility which is the risk in buying young as they get older will learn that hard work and opportunity will allow them to right their wrongs not pouting and wanting out

  • 118 Sazzer // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:24 PM

    Pardew going after Adebayor.

  • 119 beermonkey // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:33 PM

    sazzer

    I would take adebayor till the end of the season tell him if he does well he can have a contract then I would just bin him
    blokes only any good when he is earning a deal

  • 120 nightfa11 // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:36 PM

    We could have dele alli for 6 mio..But Hed still be a gamble.. Things worked out for him But..If we look at things statistically.. More french and dutch players succed at the highest level than british..and they cost way less.. Not to even mention international success.. Signing players is a gamble..But we overpayed only for thauvin..other players based on performances they had before signing for us were quite cheap.. I still blame our limited. Stubborn managers who always choose their favourites and then play them out of position for the mess we’re in..

  • 121 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:38 PM

    What’s this about Thauvin going back to France?

    Are we a charity club financially for French clubs?

    Thauvin stays or OM pays back our money.

  • 122 Sazzer // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:40 PM

    p
    Our losses on Thauvin and Cabella together will likely be less than the money we made on Debuchy.

  • 123 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:42 PM

    Belfast…don’t you think there’s an explanation to why these players flop at Newcastle when players like Payet makes the grade at WHam…not to talk about Arsenal in general.

    There could be another reason than these players just being flops.

  • 124 Sazzer // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:47 PM

    I think our wingers will look a lot better if Shelvey and Saivet managed to get more than 5 minutes at end of games.

  • 125 nut meg // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:48 PM

    I thought that Thauvan would have had a better chance of making an impression now we have Jonjo.He sees a pass early and gives the player a chance of collecting the ball while in a bit of space instead of waiting till he’s surrounded by defenders.However others will benefit from it now and it will put us on the front foot …hopefully.

  • 126 SPRINGY // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:49 PM

    repost;
    just thinking about this thauvin return….maybe this is macca having more or at least equal say in the transfers….im presuming that thauvin was a carr buy and macca was not happy with this signing and since he has not in impressed for one reason or another…. there might of been a shift in the way the transfers are getting handled….thats why thauvin and the player macca wants(townsend) in…..just a thought like

  • 127 richyg01 // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:51 PM

    http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/634717/Newcastle-transfer-news-Florian-Thauvin-Andros-Townsend

  • 128 nightfa11 // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:54 PM

    We can just compare ferguson and van gaal.. Fergie was winning titles with pretty average squad (combined with few good players)..then van gaal came.. Decided players arent good enough.. Spent a fortune and they suck.. And its funny how every player we signed went backwards in their development.. Whos to blame for that? Pardew and mclaren or carr? And considering mclaren doesnt even rotate our squad, players will be out of steam pretty soon..

  • 129 jayphoto // Jan 14, 2016 at 4:56 PM

    Gotta question the Thauvin deal… I liked him at Bastia and was hopeful he could be that player but to be fair to McClaren, on the few times Hes played hes really not put any graft or heart or effort in.
    I question the deal on a few points –
    Marseille made a profit on a player that had such a bad season he was in ligue 1 worst team of the year and was voted worst player by french journalists. Why did Marseille get a profit after such a poor season?
    He didn’t want to come. Ever! He was talked into it first by lebrune and then by the money on offer. We shouldn’t be signing players that need talking into coming!!! Same goes for Lacazette.
    The only thing to do with Thauvin is keep him out on loan, don’t sell him and home he has a storming year and someone like Paris buy him

  • 130 jayphoto // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:01 PM

    @jesper – actually don’t think its the fault of the club that the players don’t adapt. Its the scouting. We haveca scout to buy players based on potential future value. West Ham have a manager that buys the players he needs meaning theres more chance of them adapting as theres already a plan in place. At nufc the player is just dropped on the manager wether suitable or not.
    In payets case, hes in his prime, stronger and physical than thauvin and Cabella and far more experienced. He has a manager that bought him to build a team around. He was also 10x the player last season that thauvin was

  • 131 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:04 PM

    What’s happening with the poor decision of maybe letting Tisted go.

    Strange decision if he’s sold when we need our best player’s and the squad is full of dead wood that needs to be shipped oot!
    More evidence of a poorly run club.

  • 132 Belfast // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:05 PM

    They flop because they aren’t good enough Jesper. The good players Cabaye, Payet, Giroud make the grade because they’re good enough to play at a higher level. The majority of ones we sign simply aren’t sadly.

  • 133 Jack Root // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:05 PM

    Belfast
    Anita was overrated by Carr and has struggled to come to terms with the physical requirements of the PL We could have bought James Tomkins and Redmond for £ 6 million four seasons ago. We bought Bigi for £1 million from Coventry I assume because we thought we wouldn’t lose ultimately on the deal. There seems to be little forward planning in our scouting and recruitment.
    We have needed a CB for seasons and there have been a number of experienced English players available at low cost. I can only assume that most would have had little resale value. We need some younger progressive types involved.

  • 134 toon kk // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:05 PM

    Tiote go.

  • 135 Mag52 // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:06 PM

    Jack Root.

    The theory that Macca has given Carr enough rope to hang himself regarding Thauvin, is an interesting idea, but if so, our manager is a more devious operator than he looks.
    It’s tough on Thauvin if he is being used as a pawn in a power struggle.

  • 136 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:17 PM

    Jay…there’s really no difference to me when you look at Cabella, Thauvin , Payet and quite a few other French players (also other nationalities) other than Newcastle!

    We seem to be the problem if you ask me. These players are not poorly scouted they are just not a match.

    Won’t surprise me if a players like Townsend will do great here…does that make him a great player?

  • 137 hibbitt // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:22 PM

    toonmatt
    have a feeling he wont be back

  • 138 JackButler // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:23 PM

    Another Carr special heading for the exit, how much longer will we have to endure this mans wasteful spending before he’s shown the bloody door

  • 139 calvinzolamakongo // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:24 PM

    I wouldn’t say cabella was a flop he was good when he played we loane him out coz he was home sick I thought

  • 140 Wayayman // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:29 PM

    Slank // Jan 14, 2016 at 3:19 PM

    “Jib

    I didn’t know about Alli not having an agent.

    Being a North London lad it jelled with what friends who lived in the area said to me about him not moving north of Watford.

    It must have been a relief to him when Spurs came calling.”

    Alli’s agent is his dad I believe. Also, Milton Keynes is north of Watford. About 40 miles or so, same distance roughly as Newcastle to Boro

    Aaaaanyway, is there any possible link between NUFC and Marseille? Other than the fact their sponsors are the Euro version of a brand we all know and hate… Just thinking, their recent histories seem very similar. SD were supposed to be opening in Aus and was looking to get into the Chinese market a couple of years back, right? Wasn’t that why Ashley apparently bought us, to raise SD profile?

    http://www.intersport.com/about-us/history

  • 141 hibbitt // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:30 PM

    calvinzolamakongo /
    maybe you wouldn’t say it but he was a flop a step over show pony just not good enough for the prem like so many of carrs buys

  • 142 Rotonda heights // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:33 PM

    kk

    8m for a 30 yr old is amazing . Almost as much as we may have got for him in his prime. Throw in he’s mostly injured / disinterested / off to ACON and we have 2 new CMs makes a lot of sense to sell now.

  • 143 magscar // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:35 PM

    If you accept that Carr is working to a remit set by the Board/Ashley and that given how long he has been here and his recent elevation he surely understands exactly what is required of him.

    Many seem to think that his priority ( if not his only instruction) is to recommend younger players with a sell on value. That being so then it follows that any player on his so called list has to at the very least fulfill that essential criteria.

    So regardless of where Thauvin was on his list ( and he wasn’t by any means a cheap import like say Amalfitano) he must have been there on the basis that we could make a profit in due course. Much the same argument would have applied last year to Cabella and Riviere. Yet here we are again under a different manager with players not able to make headway in the PL. Is Carr watching too much French and Dutch football that he has forgotten how different the PL is and what is therefore required to turn a profit on a £12-14M player from France.

    I believe that if that is the transfer blueprint then it is and always was flawed. Now Carr as an intelligent footballing man with more power than any other chief scout current or past is in prime position to argue the case with Ashley that it has to change.

    Perhaps he has and failed but surely not as he hasn’t resigned yet (as some feel is the only option to those with “integrity” even if on an 8 year contract with not a chance of getting an equivalent job) or maybe he finds it easier to stick to what may have been his major selling point to Ashley as his chief scout and moneymaker and keep his head down.

    There are signs that the policy if not changing has been tweaked with the Shelvey signing ( Mac starting to make his play) but surely Ashley has to be asking questions about Cabella and Thauvin if only driven by “why am I losing money again”.

    The only person in a position to fully answer that is surely Carr as even though Charnley does the deal then the only person with football knowledge and able to pitch a players value has to be Carr. Clubs tend to have lists of players within certain value ranges for different positions and loans etc and the information that feeds those lists has to come from someone with football knowledge and it wasn’t AP previously nor Mac up – until now perhaps?

    If as we are told Ashley holds a post-mortem at the end of each season Carr is going to have to do some really hard selling I think if he is to stay in power.

  • 144 croftus5678 // Jan 14, 2016 at 5:37 PM

    i feel very sorry for thauvin tbh !

    accused and boo’d by fans after mbabu was brought off when he himself had done nothing wrong.

    and a flop after such a short time and after some pretty good performaces where he aint played half bad tbh !

    has he been at fault for anything ? i cant honestly think of any yet sissoko and janmaat who are at fault for a lot more get praised (not saying anything bad in that just that no player is perfect)

  • 145 goommy // Jan 14, 2016 at 6:22 PM

    Better bring Cabella back.

  • 146 Moonraker15 // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:29 PM

    Re Tiote; snap their hands off and thanks for nothing Cheik! If your not injured, suspended or off to the Acon, your giving away a free kick or a penalty. Lots of ability wasted! Goodbye and hello to Henri Saivet !

  • 147 Moonraker15 // Jan 14, 2016 at 7:34 PM

    Re Thauvin; don’t feel sorry for him, we’ve made him a millionaire and he’s going home. The fans weren’t even booing him it was the taking off of Mbabu that was the problem! He hasn’t got the guts to fight for his place like a man!




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