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Report – Andros Townsend To Move On Loan To Newcastle

9:41 am, Tuesday, January 19th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 128 Comments

The Evening Standard is reporting today that Andros Townsend is close to completing  a deal which will see the England International move on an initial six-month loan spell to Newcastle with the option to make the move permanent in the summer for a fee of around £12M.


Andros Townsend – moving on loan to Newcastle

Tottenham preferred a permanent transfer this month for £14M but neither Newcastle nor any other club was willing to meet that price set by Chairman Daniel Levy, so it seems this option serves both clubs well.

The deal seems to be some kind of compromise but why we couldn’t sign him now for £12M is puzzling.

One of the problems for Newcastle with this kind of deal is that if Andros does well then other bigger clubs could be in for him in the summer, and we could miss out on signing him permanently.

Townsend is said to be happy to move on loan to Newcastle until the end of the season and then look at what options he has in the summer.

The Evening Standard is reporting that Fiorentina were unable to match the wages offered by two Premier League clubs.

Watford were the other club wanting the England International winger and were willing to pay around £37K a week in wages, but Newcastle have offered in excess of £40K a week and are now in advanced talks to complete the deal.

In case the deal for some reason hadn’t been able to be agreed to, Newcastle were keeping tabs on Scott Sinclair of Aston Villa, but apparently the player would like to return to his former club Swansea.

We were also linked with Mat Phillips of QPR yesterday, in case we couldn’t get the Townsend deal completed.

Townsend will now have a chance at Newcastle to show England manager Roy Hodgson he is good enough to make the England squad for the Euro 2016 finals in France in June.

And Newcastle get a player who can immediately help us avoid relegation and gives us another option – a fast old-fashioned winger who can both score goals and create them and he can hit the ground running.

If the deal goes through quickly as expected, then Andros will be available for the game at Watford on Saturday and Newcastle could even allow Florian Thauvin to return to Marseille this month on loan.

While we would have preferred the deal to be a permanent one, it does get Andros to Newcastle for the vital run-in to the season and if he does well we hope we can make the deal permanent in the summer.

It does relieve the financial burden on Newcastle, who have already spent almost £70M on new players this financial year and if Townsend signs for us in the summer then that’s in the next financial year.

Newcastle have done well once again – if this deal goes through.

Now to sign a top-class striker – maybe Saido Berahino of West Brom before the end of the week?

Although reports today that Chelsea may be interested in the 22 year-old striker.

If we do manage to get Berahino in then that will be three Englishmen signed this month and Steve McClaren may be having more say on who comes into the club.

That’s good.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.

Tags: Loan Moves · Newcastle News · Recruitment · Scouting Network · Transfer News and Rumours · Transfer Target

128 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Reyantoon // Jan 19, 2016 at 9:43 AM

    Arretez votre peche à la traine. Je sais ce que vous essayez de le faire.

    WW….Refer back to Sutty’s earlier comment. He correctly summed it up about Berahino.And Sissoko as well!

  • 2 Stick It On Me Jonjo // Jan 19, 2016 at 9:46 AM


    “This club is nothing without Wijnaldum and Sissoko.”

    I understand you are highlighting the importance of these players for the club right now, but to say that the club is nothing without them is a bit over the top don’t you think pal? lol

  • 3 WWSBRD // Jan 19, 2016 at 9:49 AM

    All I can find is him saying Berah and Townsend may have an attitude and he is of the opinion Berah was a 1 season wonder…not sure how u could say that considering he hasnt played that much this season

    People said the same about Harry Kane and tbf am sure many say the same about our own Perez

  • 4 WWSBRD // Jan 19, 2016 at 9:50 AM

    Nothing referencing him being thin though unless I have missed one

  • 5 hibbitt // Jan 19, 2016 at 9:51 AM

    i think this could work a loan to see if he fits would be good send him back if he doesn’t………… but still think 12m is way to much

  • 6 WWSBRD // Jan 19, 2016 at 9:58 AM

    Does the price tag really matter to us as fans?
    I cheer on Perez (1mill) with the same voice as I cheer on Mitro (14mill)

  • 7 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 9:59 AM

    A loan is better than forking out the cash, but still don’t see where he fits in at all!

  • 8 ayecanny // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:02 AM


    I’d be more then happy if we got Berhinho and Townsend, expensive yes.. but young, English and will want to prove people wrong. If we can get them both for 25 mil I would be happy. Berhinho has big potential, over 85 prem appearances he just needs to sort his attitude out but that will happen. Also will be first time in a long time where competition for places is going to actually happen. puts pressure on sissoko to actually perform every game rather then 1 every 3 games and mitrovic – hard not to like mitrovic I do believe he will come good but puts a bit of pressure on his position.

    I had a look at contract expiring in the summer, need woodman and Aarons to sign up as they both end in the summer, Aarons hopefully will sort his injury out and I hope he gets sent out on loan ( Wolves would be the perfect club for him)

  • 9 optimistic prime // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:02 AM

    A loan deal is the best option for both parties IMO,, the lads only played 64mins in EPL this season.

    I’m not his greatest fan but haven’t watched him consistantley so can’t judge to harshly. I do think £14m is steep considering other options available.

    I actually though with WBA being in for him also we were only showing interest as we wanted Saido. We’d pull out of Townsend deal if wba sell us Saido.

  • 10 Goofy // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:04 AM

    The loan idea is better for both parties. If we go down he can leave and if he flops then bye bye, nothing gained nothing lost. £12-14 mil is way off the mark for a guy who hasn’t played since ?? and who seems like a bit of a gob.

  • 11 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:05 AM

    I don’t think Berahinho puts pressure on Mitro. Berahinho couldn’t play the role Mitro does so it would be to partner him, or to play wide.

  • 12 switch365 // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:06 AM

    £12m for Townsend = £6m player + £2m because he’s under 25 +£4m because he’s English

  • 13 toonincheek // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:07 AM

    Not keen on Townsend, but a loan deal shopuld be OK.
    He will be giving it his all to try to make the England squad.
    Then, in the summer, we can see how things stand.

    Obviously we want options with no commitment but maybe that’s expecting a bit too much.
    Loan deals often have provision for the deal to be made permanent subject to a specified number of appearances.
    That’s OK – I see him as an option, as backup, not first choice.

  • 14 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:07 AM

    Loan for Townsend is ideal. I am not sure why Ed thinks so highly of him. He isn’t really pulling up any trees at the moment. At least if we only loan him, we can see if he is a good fit here, and if he can gain some of the decent form he showed for England. If not, then we save 12M

  • 15 SPRINGY // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:07 AM

    it may be the case that newcastle are paying 2m to loan him and if he signs in the summer the rest the money(12m) paid then

  • 16 SPRINGY // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:11 AM

    on the townsend/phillips debate
    from my understanding townsend is possibly coming in on the left hand side as that has been our most troublesome position all season which needs sorting now,it will take a little bit of a reinvention of the way townsend has played but the lad has played on the left not as much as on the right but has played there and is a natural left footer,phillips is right footer and a decent player at that,but he is more of a right winger/sided player and would be good competition for sissoko but right now its not a priority where as the left hand side is….people are talking about the money being so much different 5 m/14m….townsend is a 24yr old english international which has played mid to top half of the table more often then not, which we all know means his price will be inflated… whereas phillips is a 24 yr old scottish international who’s been playing in the championship and relegated from the premier,and you have to ask why has no premier side not made more of an effort to sign him,not knocking him as he would make a great addition to our squad to push sissoko but its not a priority at the minute the left hand side is…..just my view although im not 100% sold on townsend he would seem to be the better fit for what we need right now…..just my opinion like

  • 17 nut meg // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:11 AM

    He’s played 64minutes of PL football this season! A poor player IMHO but if he comes to nufc Ill give every chance to prove me wrong. The question is if he does come in,will he be playing for the team or will he be playing for Andros Townsend trying to catch the eye of the England boss?

  • 18 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:13 AM

    Yeah, that sounds likely. I hope the permanent deal doesn’t have triggers, and it is more a case of a first refusal at that price, as with Luuk De Jong. Ideally he is a stop gap squad member until we can pursue better targets in the summer from a stronger position.

    I would have thought Townsend is demanding a starting berth though, as will Berahino so something will have to give from the current line up. They won’t be signing up having agreed that they had to fight for their place, not when Townsend wants a Euro berth and Berahinho is in the sights of stronger clubs, wealthier clubs.

  • 19 ayecanny // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:13 AM

    Lilongwe Geordie

    Yeah I see where you are coming from, I don’t believe playing two up front is something we are going to do anytime soon.. He would add pace and if he worked on this holding up play he would be a great addition. He defo has a better shot on him then mitrovic tho, I can’t seem to think time where mitrovic has ever scored a goal outside of the box unlike berhinho

  • 20 Goofy // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:14 AM

    Ifvwe changed the formation to 3-5-2 we’d be covered in just about every position and Mitro would have Perez or Wini upfront.

    We could get a LB on loan. Would seem a shame to drop Haidara or Mbabu when fit, so having a loanee would be the better choice.

    Our RB could be doing with a good back to give Janmast a rest. If we sign Townsend that would take some pressure of Janmaat getting up and down the wing. Janmmaat seems to love overlapping the winger but might burn himself out.

  • 21 optimistic prime // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:14 AM

    Extract from the mag article on Townsend
    Talking about NUFC wanting a loan move

    Not exactly surprising seen as it is 22 months since Andros Townsend completed a full 90 minutes in the Premier League, the 24 year in total having only started 34 PL matches in his entire career, scoring five goals.

  • 22 SuperShearer // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:16 AM

    I’m always slightly confused by people worrying about the club’s money. If the club want to splash the cash then I suspect Mr. Ashley has said “go ahead”. In other words, we can afford it. As long as we don’t do a Leeds or Portsmouth I’m not worried about the fees we pay. As long as we start winning and climbing the table that is all that matters.

  • 23 Jack Root // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:16 AM

    Maybe this isn’t the time to scapegoat Carr. However he does have form for buying pick and mix footballers. Thauvin clearly wasn’t McClaren’s choice. Although he is left-footed Thauvin played on the right of Marseille’s 4-2-3-1 last season. Before signing he said he would prefer to be in the hole behind a striker, as he doesn’t enjoy defending. Overall he had massively disappointed last season in that wide attacking role. He scored only five goals and reports suggest he was drained by his defensive duties. To give a balanced assessment I would point out that earlier in his career he did excell on the left wing at Bastia.
    McClaren was still getting his feet under the table but Carr I assume saw Thauvin as a means of improving the service to Mitrovic and Cisse. Mitrovic is the sort of striker who is heavily dependant on the right sort of crosses and service. For me Carr stands charged of not learning from the Cabella experience. Was Thauvin seriously seen as better than Cabella !
    Last summer it was being talked about that De Jong would play in the hole. The position that McClaren had spoken of Wijnaldum occupying.
    McClaren has said that Sissoko’s best position is wide on the right.
    Anyway the French media at the time thought Marseille had got the better of the deal.
    Cabella cost Newcastle £12m but struggled with the physicality of the Premier League. It’s been said that Carr saw Thauvin as a player who would delight a Newcastle crowd that had relished watching Ginola and Robert. Many toon fans think he is fixated with the tricky ball player types and not with the Premiership in mind. We need a total reboot of the scouting system and programme. It seems on the evidence that McClaren’s hand has been strengthened.
    Wasn’t Thauvin included in Liege 1 worst team of 2014/15?

  • 24 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:22 AM

    Townsend has played a grand total of 366 minutes on the left wing in the Premier league. Hardly vastly experienced there. If he was even half decent on the left he would have had more opportunities there at Spuds in the league, but he hasn’t.

  • 25 SuperShearer // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:22 AM

    @Jack Root – good points in there. I think what’s more worrying is that Thauvin was bought at a time when everyone bar those that had any say could see we needed a defender and a striker. Neither of those two positions have been filled. If Memba or Colo get injured we’re in serious trouble. If Mitro is injured we could be in trouble but at least it looks like the club are trying to buy a striker.

  • 26 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:25 AM

    I think people are worried about the spend because under Ashley we have learnt that the coffers have quickly run dry, so if £12 million is wasted on Townsend it is £12million less to bolster the back line or other positions that need it.

  • 27 rn2016 // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:26 AM

    Honestly think there’s no substance to these Berahino stories – just convenient journalism to make headlines. I don’t see where he’d fit in in the current set up, with Mitro up top doing great work off the ball (and getting into the right positions, crucially,), and Wij in the hole. Townsend more likely I reckon, but this whole £20m + for Bera – it’s still Ashley we’re dealing with here remember!

  • 28 optimistic prime // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:28 AM

    I’ve read Townsend had a spat with a fitness coach at the start of the season and has been frozen out since.

    The price Levy wants for a player they don’t want is ott, if Townsend knows he isn’t going to get a game why hasn’t he put in a transfer request?

    I’d find it strange if it was anything other than a loan deal and I still don’t understand that, £14m is ridiculous given Townsend and spurs position.

    Something smells a bit fishy IMO

  • 29 JackButler // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:30 AM

    £14 million for a player who is not wanted by his club is madness simp,y because he’s English, so a loan, if possible would be the best option as we are desperate for a striker and left back and no one knows how much they is available to spend

  • 30 lesh // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:30 AM

    Maybe the talk about loaning Townsend rather than pay £12m now makes sense.

    It gets him off Spurs’ payroll for six months;

    Provides Spurs with the opportunity of getting more than £12m if he does well with us;

    But if we have the guaranteed option of buying him at £12m, that’s good for us;

    Tiote hasn’t been sold yet therefore available cash could be limited until he is sold;

    If/ when Tiote’s sold this window, the cash could go towards priority needs such as a top striker – like Berhinio for example?

    And the fact that Spurs’ are denied £12m up front, it’s cash could be limited and stop them buying Berhinio.

    Thus the arrangement could be a good one for all but moreso for us.

  • 31 Jack Root // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:30 AM

    Super Shearer
    He was knocked back by JFK when he had come up with Douglas as the answer to our CB problem!

  • 32 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:32 AM

    If Townsend put in a transfer request he would likely lose his loyalty bonus that will have been agreed when signing the contract and is paid throughout. If you leave part way through, but don’t put in the request you receive it in full. Or that is something that is very common in contracts these days, so Townsend will likely have it.

    I can’t imagine Townsend having a massive bonus, but Levy likely wants to cover it.

  • 33 jazzyp // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:34 AM

    Great bit of business if this is true for both Nufc and Andros.Make the lad prove his worth as im sure he will give his all with the Euro’s coming up. And I can totally see why its the best option for Townsend in case the unthinkable happens and we go down.

    Personally I think the coffers have finally been opened whether to stave off relegation or some ambition is actually being shown…I welcome it. Something behind the scenes has happened to Thauvin to let him go back after just half a season and they obviously feel Rolando is not quite ready yet, So bring in Townsend and let him prove all the Basher’s wrong

  • 34 AncientC // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:35 AM


    1. Cabella did not cost £12 million.
    2. Cabella’s stats from the previous season were impeccable.
    3. Pardew had form for ruining flair players.
    4. It would not have been Carr’s choice to get rid of Cabella. The Thauvin deal likely hinged on Cabella going the other way, a means to get rid of Cabella.
    5. There were 3 other signings in the summer you failed to mention, and another two since then.
    6. Carr was tracking Thauvin before he joined Lille, there was a possibility to sign him then for a fraction of the cost.

  • 35 SuperShearer // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:36 AM

    @Lilongwe Geordie fair point mate. I just think Ashley is looking at the squad, looking at the league, seeing the potential for keeping us in it and saying “you know what, I spend big it’ll pay me back in less than a year and then some… if we go down… I’m kind of up the creek a little bit.” The man like a flutter and he’s done this before when we were teetering on the edge. I just hope that the West Ham game was merely the tip of the iceberg in terms of what we can do. With Wini playing in his preferred role and Shelvey supplying the ammo to Mitro and others I hope we can climb out of where we are.

  • 36 optimistic prime // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:38 AM


    I’d thought of that, but how desperate is he for a chance to play and get in the England squad?

    I’m questioning his commitment already 😉

  • 37 JackButler // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:40 AM

    everyone could see this mess was coming back in the summer, Christ its happening every season of late. We penny pinch in the summer and then panic come January, yes we spent decent money on Gini and the like, but we have so much ground to catch up we did not do enough in the summer. Shelvey is a good addition but we need three more quality players………………at least

  • 38 hibbitt // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:42 AM

    so how much do you think cabella + thauvin have cost the club bearing in mind we will end up with neither of them at the club this season

  • 39 jazzyp // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:44 AM

    Personally I hope Townsend comes in and does the Biz for us.I couldn’t give a toss about his past all I am bothered about is that he comes here and performs and hopefully that forms part of the jigsaw that keeps us up.

  • 40 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:44 AM

    Maybe so, but it won’t be a bottomless pit, and does a right winger really address any of the squads problems?

    I’ve said all season that we wouldn’t go down, we just had to start putting players like Gini into the right positions and get good service to Mitro. Little tweaks of style and formation were required, and we have made a start to that now.

    Shelvey is a good acquisition, but it should have been in the summer – not necessarily Shelvey but a player of his ilk. We were crying out for it, and it was fairly clear to see. Now we need a left winger if we aren’t giving Thauvin a chance, yet we go for a right winger….

  • 41 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:47 AM

    I’ve read reports that Townsend favoured a loan deal this window, not a permanent move. I doubt he would have wanted to move at all had it not been for the Euro’s.

  • 42 JackButler // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:47 AM


    I think most fans have some doubts over Townsends attitude etc etc, but given our current position, a proven EPL player is exactly what we need right now, he will have a point to prove, he will want a place in the euros this summer and a loan deal would be just about perfect for us as it could free up the funds for a striker

  • 43 NezzaNUFC // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:49 AM

    So Townsend now!

    Cracking player seasons ago but now though what does he offer?

    Fast on and off the ball but can’t cross and score? He can’t even pick a pass so for me I would look elsewhere because he’s another Obertan player I’m afraid!

    But it would be safer to only loan him first but 12 million for a second rated winger? Levy is another dumb ass who doesn’t understand football.

  • 44 optimistic prime // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:50 AM


    I’m unsure on him as a player, he’s training with the under 21’s and has had reported spats with coaches.

    I have real doubts and find it a strange transfer. Hope to be proved wrong.

  • 45 AncientC // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:51 AM

    hibbit, At a guess, I would say the club has lost somewhere between 2 to 4 million on Cabella. Going of the premise that the club will receive £6 million from Marseille.

    Hopefully Thauvin knuckles down and stays, or comes back next season into a side higher on confidence and starts showing his worth. He isn’t a lost cause yet, imo.

  • 46 SPRINGY // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:51 AM

    thats why i said he’d played on the left but not as much as the right and why he may have to reinvent himself a little…i’m not singing his praises as the next best thing,as im not entirely sold on him tbh but out of phillips and townsend for what i believe we need now,he seems the better option and just hope he comes in and does a good job and proves my doubts wrong.

  • 47 manxpie // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:52 AM

    Absolute no brainer if it’s a loan deal he’s desperate to play and impress for the euros both footed quick and tricky and can score from anywhere plus just adds another better option than thauvan

  • 48 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:52 AM

    Is 34 Prem starts Prem proven? Is just 815minutes of Prem play since the start of the 2014/15 season proven? Just over 9 games worth of playing time in 18 months is definitely not Prem proven.

  • 49 jazzyp // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:53 AM


    I agree buddy…..But everyone jumping on Townsend’s back before he has even kicked a ball for us is a joke. Like I said mate..So what if he fell out with a trainer at Spurs. yeah he has not shown the best form of late but a change could do him good.
    Andros on his day can be an excellent player, Look what he was like when he burst on to the English international scene. And at the end of the day if it doesn’t work out we send him back to his parent club

  • 50 davis_toons // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:55 AM

    Hopefully he does well..

    …he didn’t do too badly at QPR and there are no bigger clubs than us interested in him ed.

    Hopefully there will be even more spectacular player signing on at the end of the season after we are safe..

    A good loan that is aviliable at this current stage.

  • 51 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:55 AM

    But why are we even talking about signing right wingers to come in and play on the left? That is the bit I really can’t get my head round! I’d say if we sign him then Harley’s ‘mate in the know’ is likely right that Sissoko is on his way. Townsend and Sissoko will do similar jobs with similarly little end product.

  • 52 jazzyp // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:56 AM


    As you said in the summer Thauvin has been found out, And I think Carr is being found out to. Hopefully this is a change in the right direction now and we are signing proven talent.

  • 53 JackButler // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:57 AM


    Coming from the point of view that the last four or five wingers weve singed from France have all bombed and proven to be a massive waste of money, we are maybe getting a player who knows what the league is about, can handle the physical side of the game, is quick and has shown he can perform at this level, he’s a world away from the usual dross we sign and right now beggars can’t be choosers. He would not be my first choice but he’d be a massive upgrade on Thauvin

  • 54 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:57 AM

    He scored a couple of wonder strikes from about 60 attempts. For more than half of them I remember thinking that there were players far better placed as he flashed another high and wide.

    Wonder strikes fuelled by media hype. Not a team player and not good enough to be in a side looking to keep possession, that is why Pocchettino doesn’t rate him. The fall outs only came after he had been sidelined from the team.

  • 55 hibbitt // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:59 AM

    i know were all caught up with Townsend and Berhinio but even getting both these players in wont patch up the problem with the back 4 ……a LB is a must…. cover for the RB ….. a quality CB…. we still let in far to many goals

  • 56 JackButler // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:01 AM


    Agree mate, and it’s funny that the hero of the weekend Shelvey is reported to have fallen out with most people at Swansea but he put in a performance that got us the three points on Saturday and everyone was and is raving about the lad.

    I think people are simply being cautious simply because of the limited funds and limited squad places, that and the desperate need we have for reinforcements elsewhere in the squad

  • 57 BandB // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:01 AM

    The second goal on Saturday was a goal of the season contender. A brilliant long pass, perfect control and cross from Janmaat to the only person in our team who would have made that run and not missed it.
    We have to keep doing that. Over and over again for the next four months.
    I dread an injury to Wijnaldum. Or Elliot. This is still a small squad and it is being revolved this window, not evolved into a stronger one.
    At our very best we can get out of trouble. Below first team level we are a mixture of the unconvincing and the injured, and players are going out as well as coming in.
    We are third bottom on current form with just five points from our last six games. We are playing good football, but we need a goal scorer.
    I didn’t say a striker. I mean a goal scorer.
    Like Lil, I don’t see where Townsend plays. The main issue for me with Sissoko is that he doesn’t score goals or get into positions to score them. Will Townsend be better? Will he replace Perez? Would he score more goals than him?
    Townsend is a risk. He is a level below we need. But he fits the policy.
    Our relegation rivals have all made ground on us in the last six games. It might not seem that way, but look at the form table.
    We got good wins against Liverpool and Spurs. Hopes were high then that we were on our way to the toppermost most of the poppermost.
    But our parabola brought us straight back down with a bump.
    We can’t afford this rollercoaster graph.

  • 58 NezzaNUFC // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:02 AM

    On Berinho debate, I think some are forgetting we have Perez! Because if Berinho comes here where would Perez fit in?

    We need to strengthen what needs strengthen and not to complicate matters further, we have Mitrovic, Perez, Cisse and Riv as our strikers so since none of them are being sold or getting released I see no point in getting another striker atm, Mitrovic shooting boots will come it just takes times to adjust to new positions and new players to work off.

    Forget the strikers and wingers since we have Thuavin and Roland to cover LW what we need is a LB who can deliver a cross, beat his man and defend and a cover for RB like Bryam or similar then look for CB’S this summer along with a good clear out with Cisse and maybe Riv ( if he doesn’t get a chance ) followed by Willo ( if he hasn’t left already ) and Colo, then strengthen our strike force and defence in the summer.

  • 59 jazzyp // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:05 AM


    Maybe so but give the guy a chance to prove his worth pal.
    Saivet has a shocking past record for injuries…Makes SDJ look like the bionic man, But does that mean we write him off. Shelvey has hardly played this season but has that made him a bad signing ??
    Yes there is more pressing matters regarding positions at Nufc..Namely putting the ball in the back of the net, but hopefully that will be addressed in the coming days.
    All I am saying is give the guy break and let him prove his worth, Don’t think it is much to ask do you pal !!

  • 60 SPRINGY // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:05 AM

    he has some thing we have lacked pace and although he has played right wing he is left footed which macca might feel he can get the best out of him on the left….and to be honest theres not a lot left sided players around with premier league and international experience,pacey and young…thats maybe why they are going for him tbh

  • 61 Rotonda heights // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:05 AM

    over rated frenchman

    You interestingly said your rated Pochettino’s opinion if he was trying to get Berahino, yet it’s the same pochettino who’s trying to flog us Townsend.

    I have to say I rate Pochettino’s opinion on both. It’s also interesting to hear that apparently SM wanted Berahino ahead of Mitro who was allegedly Carr’s call.

    Lilo is right, we do need a fluid, fast goal scorer who can get in behind, not just rely on hopeful crosses all the time. A younger motivated remy if you like.

  • 62 nut meg // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:06 AM

    I feel sorry for the forward players who have to sprint 30/40/50/ yards to try and get on the end of a non existing incoming cross into the box.Is there anything more soul destroying when it happens time & time again?

  • 63 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM

    FA panel dismiss media driven attempt to ban Jonjo Shelvey – See more at:

  • 64 Rotonda heights // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:08 AM


    i’m worried what would happen to perez too, as well as aarons, who for whatever reason sm clearly doesn’t fancy

  • 65 Lindisfarne // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:09 AM

    Might not be popular but seeing the improvement made by the impact of Jonjo, maybe Riveire will revive his fortunes. He struggled to time his runs for the infrequent crosses he was trying to survive on, where as through balls will give him a chance to show his skills.

  • 66 JackButler // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:12 AM

    Nut Meg

    What’s soul destroying is seeing brilliant cross being out in the box on for Mitro to trip over his own feet, without Gini making his runs we have no one to finish what chances are being made

  • 67 jazzyp // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:12 AM

    Nut meg

    Sounds like Obertan….Marvs…Gouffy…….Thauvin….Tell me when to stop lol !!

  • 68 emperor // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:12 AM

    Im delighted we arent signing Townsend permanently. 14 million on a guy that has never scored more than 2 league goals when we gave away Ben arfa for free is ridiculous. Id hate for us to become one of those clubs that pays inflated fees just becauase a player is young and english.

    Townsend 59 apps 5 goals
    Gouffran 81 apps 11 goals

    Just to put it into perspective he is no better than gouffran.

    Mac needs to give aarons a chance he has more potential than Townsend.

    For those saying we should let Sissoko go and replace him with Townsend you must be mad. Sissoko on his day is unplayable. we should keep him till the end of the season and then perhaps cash in and rebuild.

    I dont think Thauvin has been given a proper opportunity he definitely has potential and were giving up on him too easily.

    Finally Berahino or Remy would be good options due to their pace which we are lacking and ability to play wide left or up top with mitro.

  • 69 Rotonda heights // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:13 AM

    Yes a good point Band B. I don’t think we need a striker per se, as we can all see what Wijni can do.

    Playing a false number 9, as Spain do so well can be extremely effective, especially when players like Wijni can make runs where he doesn’t get picked up.

  • 70 jazzyp // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:13 AM

    Interestin that Gini keeps getting on to these crosses and anticipating them as a forward should do. Makes you wonder where Mitro is

  • 71 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:14 AM

    I’m not knocking him because of injuries, or because of lack of appearances (although he definitely isn’t experienced in the Prem, or proven). I’m knocking him because he is the typical overhyped English player that becomes a world beater on the back of one strike.

    I’d love him to prove me wrong. Where does he fit though? Is he better than Perez? Probably not given Spurs want rid of Townsend and have interest in Perez. Is he better than Sissoko? Again, probably not.

    Who gets dropped for Townsend? He isn’t better than anybody who is starting, so we aren’t really improving our side.

  • 72 hibbitt // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:15 AM

    Rotonda heights
    aarons has never been fit enough to play nothing to do with Mc the kids just never been fit only now getting back to full fitness …….did hear he could go out on loan

  • 73 Rotonda heights // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:18 AM


    now we have the quarter back in shelvey, we need guerreiro LB and Koubilaly (CB) but that won’t happen till at least the summer now.

  • 74 SPRINGY // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:21 AM

    i think most people would like to see aarons given game time but the lads been injured all season and he’s not likely to regain his match fitness and sharpness to nearer the end of the season thats if he remains injury free and since it would’nt be fair on the lad to just stick him in the side and expect him to produce quality straight away, maybe send him out on loan get him playing,build his fitness and sharpness and bring him back strong,sharp and confident next season

  • 75 Rotonda heights // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:22 AM

    does make you wonder about townsend’s attitude to be sent out on loan 11 times. that has to be some record

  • 76 jazzyp // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:24 AM


    I get your point mate but the same can be said for Saivet ! Where does he fit in. Do Colback or Anita get dropped for an unknown quantity from france ??
    Personally I would love nothing more than for Rolando to break into the first team which ever side of the park he may occupy.If Thauvin is on his way back to Marseille then this could well be just cover until the summer…Who knows pal.
    But I would sooner have the problem of wondering where I am going to play everyone rather than the squad being wafer thin as it has been for many a season

  • 77 Rotonda heights // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:24 AM

    davis_toons // Jan 19, 2016 at 10:55 AM

    Hopefully he does well..

    …he didn’t do too badly at QPR and there are no bigger clubs than us interested in him ed.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    Oh…I wonder why!!

  • 78 Termijn // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:25 AM

    Thauvin > Townsend
    In my opinion
    A loan’s better than wasting 12M though

  • 79 emperor // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:26 AM


    I agree with that but there have been times hes been fit and has just stayed on the bench all game. Hopefully a loan move will get him up to speed and strength and he can come back for next season

  • 80 nut meg // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:26 AM

    Mitrovic strong point is his heading ability,he needs crosses into the box. The point I’m making is any crosses won’t be coming from Townsend unless he suddenly changes his game which is run,shoot miss.
    Townsend & Obertan are very alike…zero end product..

  • 81 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:29 AM

    To be honest I have a little chuckle when people say if we get a winger/full back to put the crosses in Mitro will be on the end of.
    Either Mitro is to slow/does not bust a gut to get on the end of the cross or does not anticipate the cross like Winjanum.

  • 82 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:30 AM

    Yes, I’d see Saivet given a chance. Anita doesn’t offer enough, Colback is average at just about everything. Both should be no more than back up, but both are reliable as back up. I’d have preferred Tiote to stay then signing Saivet though, or sign Saivet and let Anita or Colback go, given home grown likely Anita.

    Townsend won’t be coming here without a guarantee of game time and he isn’t good enough to be given that guarantee. It will likely mean Perez will miss out, which I don’t think is best for NUFC.

    What a clever move from Spuds, offload a winger they don’t rate and want rid of whilst simultaneously unsettling a player who is on their wanted list.

  • 83 SPRINGY // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:31 AM

    there has been times he’s been ready but theres weaknesses in his game,like tracking back,closing down and keeping the ball all of which were highlighted pre-season which are expected at his age but that means he cant be relied on as heavily as other players….a fit and confident aarons a few years down the line who has learned to do these things could be a legend for this club but as it stands now he’s raw… good but still a bit to learn

  • 84 hibbitt // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:32 AM

    as a loan think townsend is worth the risk 12/14 m upfront never …………just a question who is doing the uk scouting….. i was told it was simpson anyone know ???

  • 85 JackButler // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:34 AM

    Nut Meg

    Agree but the reality is we have no one able to consistently deliver quality crosses but we also have no one to consistently convert any crosses that are made apart from Gini.

    Mitro is still young but we need other options at this point, as well as wingers.

  • 86 jazzyp // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:35 AM


    That was exactly my point. I mentioned yesterday that for the sake of the club why not bring back Shearer as a coach for the forwards. Who better to learn off, Shearer would have thrived off some of the balls going into the box and he was never the fastest by his own admission.

    Mitro lacks the killer instinct at the moment but has all the attributes to be a success on the pitch

  • 87 jayphoto // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:36 AM

    not seen much of townsend but then who is really available in January anyway that would improve us? Still mystified as to why Swansea let Shelvey go?

    One thing im pretty sure of is that Townsend in and thauvin out improves us for the remainder of the season. Townsend has a point to prove, can play in the premier league and the fact that he got called up to england atall suggests at some point he had a run of form. Pretty sure hes never let himself down at international level? I know he had a row with a fitness coach but it was well documented since that he apologised almost immediately and it wasn’t over not working hard enough it was over warming up/cooling down.

    Not being funny but we’re in the bottom 3, and spurs are in the title race. Just because a player can’t get in there doesn’t mean hes not good enough for us at the moment. Heard a london journalist say that Townsend needs a move and to be settled as he’s been out on loan too many times and came through the spurs system and that a new club on a permanent deal could see him thrive.

  • 88 cyprus // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:37 AM

    Haven’t seen enough of Townsend to judge but have of Obertan. Surely one is not as bad as the other 😉

  • 89 Average_Contents // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:37 AM

    From SSN. The slug most definitely won’t be happy about this….


    Talks between Newcastle’s Cheick Tiote and Shanghai Shenhua have stalled.

    The Ivorian travelled to China on Friday after the two clubs agreed a fee of around £5m.

    However, personal terms have proved a stumbling block and it remains to be seen whether the deal on offer will be agreed by the midfielder.

  • 90 nut meg // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:38 AM

    I’m not saying Mitrovic will get on the end of crosses into the box but you surely have to give him the chance of doing so by getting decent balls into the box.At the minute that is just not happening. give him the right service then we’ll see.

  • 91 NezzaNUFC // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:40 AM


    The only difference between the two is the nationalities.

  • 92 jazzyp // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:41 AM


    We can all make assumptions and predominantly guess what is going to happen with townsend mate, But for all we know it could be for the Right wing slot and have no bearing on Perez who tends to play more left side….Again mate who knows !!
    As for Saivet again I hope he comes good but I see this as much as risk playing him at this time,Colback and Anita offer little going forward but know how to put there body on the line which is what we need while we down at the foot of the table

  • 93 BandB // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:43 AM

    We have been here before.
    No-one really fancied Cabella that much.
    Until it was clear here was coming, and opinions on him did an about turn, even when Pardew’s touchline eye-rolling made it clear the manager himself didn’t trust him.
    Few wanted Thauvin. They predicted he would flop and gave the reasons why. But once it became clear he was coming, opinions on him flip-flopped. And he turned out exactly as expected…simply not fitted to this league.
    Once Townsend is through the door we have to back him. But he’s not a Newcastle player yet and we aren’t obliged to cheerlead for him just yet either..
    When Ben Arfa was here, there was dismay around the ground when he wasn’t fit. Then Pardew did a hit job on his reputation which was swallowed wholesale and for exactly the same reason…that people think they are obliged to parrot whatever the latest club line is.

  • 94 jayphoto // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:43 AM

    don’t rate Sherwood as a manager, but he’s a great coach. Spurs are reaping the rewards of his work there as youth team manager. He bought Townsend through and knows him better than most. Hes a manager with no sense of tactics but he demanded 100% from his players and he tried really hard to resign him at Villa which is promising on the attitude front.
    Its a squad game and we have quite a weak squad, Townsend added doesn’t harm us.
    On Perez…. he’s looked better coming off the bench to me but its never a bad thing to have different options.
    In some games it may suit 4-4-2 with Perez up with mitro and Gini left, in others it may suit to go 4-2-3-1 with gini at 10.
    Townsend usually plays right i believe… unless hes played left before? Its a long hard season and we pick up injuries worse than most so even if townesend does mean perez drops to the bench he’ll still get opportunities off the bench aswell as im sure at some point some kind of squad rotation must come in when we have good enough players to bring in.

  • 95 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:45 AM

    Say it is for the right, that can only really mean Sissoko is off, as both will want first team before the Euros. I’d prefer to keep Sissoko.

  • 96 jayphoto // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM

    One thing i’ll say about Shelvey, Townsend and Berahino, they are all players that look for the offence rather than the safe ball ala Colback/Anita.
    I can’t imagine our side being boring and defensive with Townsend, shelvey, Gini, Sissoko, Janmaat in it. We’d have to attack each game like we did west ham. Least it’ll be good on the eye.
    Would rather a left back came in too….

  • 97 Lindisfarne // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM

    I still think a cheekh bid for Benteke, or even Lalana from l’pool might be productive.

  • 98 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:48 AM

    From what I’ve been told by a guy who was a coach in the Spurs youth set up Sherwood did very little of the coaching and more oversaw all developments, had very little hands on player development time.

  • 99 JackButler // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:49 AM

    I don’t see what the objection to a loan move for Townsend is?

    If we were paying out the reported £14 million that Spurs want then I’d see why people where against it, but a loan is a no brainier given our current state

  • 100 jazzyp // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:49 AM


    And I am definitely with you regarding keeping Sissoko. He is without doubt one of our better players and would be suicide to sell him and replace him with Townsend.
    I just wish he would stop dribbling in to blind alleys lol !!

  • 101 jayphoto // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:51 AM

    @lilongwe – really? thats interesting as he’s sure made sure he got all the credit for it…
    my point was really that he knew Townsends attitude better than most and still wanted him.
    To be honest i’ve never seen much of the guy, but my feeling is he’s probably going to hit the ground running quicker than someone from Ligue 1 like Allesandrini or Hamouma (generic Carr like signings) and really the club in this window have to look at the next 4 months rather than long term

  • 102 jazzyp // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM

    Your right it is a no brainer. we are in the bottom three for a reason and that is because the players have not been good enough for the first half of the season.
    Even bringing players in on loan may lift the existing crop and stop them taking things for granted that they will play every week.

  • 103 BandB // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM


    Loans aren’t free though, are they?
    Wages are THE key part of the transfer equation at Newcastle, hence the shovelling out efforts going on in sync with the attempts at signings.
    Townsend will be signed and someone else won’t.
    Someone who might make much more difference.

  • 104 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:54 AM

    Townsend is just as bad, if not worse for running into blind alleys!

    That is my point, Townsend will be looking for a guaranteed spot starting. He won’t want to be bit part or rotation. If he is coming in just to be back up, or an option off the bench, fine, but he won’t be.

    As I’ve said, I just don’t see where he fits in to improve our starting 11. I’d be happy for him to prove me wrong, but to do that he would have to be a different player from the one who has played for Spurs. Maybe the lack of playing time will have made him realise that he needs to be more of a team player, less selfish, and he has worked on the basics of a wingers game.

  • 105 jazzyp // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:56 AM

    Newcastle United will not sanction Florian Thauvin’s proposed loan deal to Marseille until they reach a firm agreement with Tottenham Hotspur over the signing of Andros Townsend – something which appears to be edging closer.

    Chroniclelive understands that, though the 22-year-old Frenchman himself has provisionally agreed terms with the Ligue 1 side, the Magpies are yet to sanction the temporary move.

    Negotiations with Spurs over the signing of Townsend remain on-going – the Magpies would prefer a loan move with an option to buy, while the north London club are demanding a £14million permanent deal – and that is stalling Thauvin’s return to Marseille.

    However, a breakthrough could be close in Newcastle’s pursuit of Townsend, with a compromise agreement of an initial six-month loan deal with a £12million option to buy being mooted by the London Evening Standard.
    Looking its going to happen whether we like it or not

  • 106 jayphoto // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:57 AM

    @BandB – who’s really available in January that we could realistically sign that would be better and make more of a difference in our next 10-15 games though??
    Not many players will want to move in a international tournament year unless they can’t get into their side at the moment. Not many are going to risk swapping to a relegation battling club either

  • 107 JackButler // Jan 19, 2016 at 11:58 AM


    Agree, but it’s a far better option than shelling out £14 million for the lad and it looks like we are going to pull up trees to get the lad here. Whether or not a loan would impact on any other potential deal will go unknown, as let’s be honest we are looking for scraps from the media to see what and where we are going this window.

    I do think we need other positions filled before adding the likes of Townsend, but again it wouldn’t be the worse piece of business we could do and as long as it’s not the last piece of business we do

  • 108 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:00 PM

    Yeah, he now works with a Premier league clubs feeder academies in Africa and he was saying that Sherwood’s arrogance burnt a lot of bridges with his fellow coaches at Spurs even whilst he was still in the manager’s seat. It could just be a case of a jealous ex employee, but he didn’t seem that type, he seemed fairly genuine.

    Sherwood only became Technical Director overseeing the youth in 2012 anyway, people like Kane and Townsend were out on loan most of the time by this point.

  • 109 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:05 PM

    nut meg
    I don’t think Mitro is the type of player/has it at the moment to get onto a quick breakaway attack like our second goal on Saturday or his goal against Chelsea.
    As Jazzy P puts it the TOON should approach Shearer and to coach him.
    Or as a forward coach
    Seems funny that a lot of clubs have
    Goalkeeper coaches
    defensive coaches
    but NO attacking coaches.

    Only one who comes to me who have a forwards coach is Leicester City with Philips – seems to be working for them

  • 110 mickybraham // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:06 PM

    Anyone know where I’ll be able to watch the game in town on Saturday?

  • 111 emperor // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:07 PM


    If were losing a game someone with his pace and dribbling can bring us back into a game late on. Rather aarons comes on than the defensive gouffran lol

  • 112 jayphoto // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:09 PM

    @Lilongwe – thats really interesting. Africa is a completely untapped resource almost for Premier league clubs it seems. If mbemba is anything to go by, and some of the players Senegal are producing etc, clubs should really be looking their more.

  • 113 jayphoto // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:15 PM

    Doubt Shearer would come back under Ashleys ownership in any capacity…
    If you look at Mitro, at anderlecht the technique was there. He doesn’t need it coaching as much, his problem I think is the pace of the game here, he needs fitness and vision. Reckon he’ll only get that by playing. Some of his link up play, flick ons, knock downs are brilliant. I think really what he needs is someone getting beyond him more frequently. Maybe Berahino would do that? The few times that Perez has done that it’s been effective (spurs away to name 1) but he doesn’t do it enough.
    Imagine a young craig bellamy or even a Jamie Vardy running on to Mitros knock downs and flick ons…
    Might be why the Gomis rumour surfaced? Hes a player that constantly looks to get in behind

  • 114 BandB // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:17 PM


    I think there is a complacent feeling crept in that we just need a few finishing touches and we have an excellent squad.
    I think Mitrovic and Mbemba were good signings. Wijnaldum is a coup. What’s more I FEEL something for them. I look forward to seeing them play in a way I never have with Sissoko or Janmaat.
    They are heroes we can relate to and care about, and I hope Shelvey becomes the same.
    But they didn’t turn us into a misfiring and unlucky eighth place outfit.
    They lifted us from being relegation certainties to a one in the relegation pack.
    My hope is that the club sees this, and that the head coach sees this. I hope we have no talk of turning a corner this week, because that emerged after the Spurs win and we lost momentum.
    Complacency is the default position at this club, and it has rubbed off on the fans.
    If we were eighth now, I have no doubt the rest of our season would be already charting the same one-foot-on-the-beach trajectory of previous years.

  • 115 Jib // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:19 PM

    B and B
    It was especially heinous of Pardew to feed ben arfa all those cream cakes !

  • 116 toon kk // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:20 PM

    If the club had been run propley in the first place 70 plus million wouldn’t have to been spent to try and save us from relegation. Penny pinching, buying players with the hope they’d do the job or not buying at all has got us in this mess.

    Will the board learn from its mistakes?
    I’m not so sure.

  • 117 SPRINGY // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:22 PM

    i agree if we are chasing a game then he’s ideal

  • 118 jayphoto // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:27 PM

    @BandB – Agree with what you’re saying. And the club definately needs to talk less about corners and confidence and just go out and get results.

  • 119 nufc_eire // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:29 PM

    I dont see why we dont try and gazump everyone for inaki williams if this is the price range we’re operating in. Hes the fastest player in la liga, tall, good scoring record and has a buyout clause of 15.3m and on 15k a week

    Way better option than townsend. I dont see what the harm will be in going for williams now and even if we get rebuffed, townsend will still be there because no one else is keen on paying anywhere near 12m for him

  • 120 beermonkey // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:30 PM

    there does look like there is a little power struggle going on between carr and mcclaren on the type of player we bring in
    McLaren it is rumoured has an 8 year deal on the table if certain things are met
    it looks like he is winning small battles if he didn’t think townsend will be a success why risk bringing him in
    McLaren has a lot to lose if townsend fails, he will be back to little say on transfers and ay not get te rumoured 8 year deal

    just a thought

    our squad is dire there is no way we can compete in cups and league how many of our players are actually good enough for first team football
    janmatt mbemba sissoko gini perez mitro shelvy

    back up
    anita colback savait dummett laschlees riviere cisse de jing darlow

    we have spent nearly 70mill and we are atleast another 70 80 mill away from a squad where players can be rotated

  • 121 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:30 PM

    Clubs are starting to tap into the area, but in South East Africa where I am (Zambia, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Tanzania, Malawi) there are 28million boys under the age of 14 that are not seen by any formal academy or coaching set up. That is a gap I’m working to bridge and I’m back in Feb and have a few meetings with top flight clubs in England and Scotland lined up to discuss the potential.

    There is a big problem with the standard of coaching though, and that is something CAF need to address. The CAF badges really aren’t good enough, and the CAF A is similar to a UEFA B, whereas it should be on par with UEFA A. This year they introduce the CAF Pro for the first time.

  • 122 jayphoto // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:33 PM

    Think theres alot going on under the surface in the boardroom too. Remember reading an article based on the old boro chairman talking about McClaren and how he is actually ruthlessly ambitious and very clever when it comes to manipulation and control. He’s not given the credit for these almost sociopathic qualities very often but i’ve got a feeling the signing of Thauvin and the use of Thauvin was a sign of it. He came in knowing that Carr is in charge of transfers. Something Pardew hated but couldn’t change. But he also knew Carr had made some mistakes, expensive signings of MYM, Cabella, Riviere all on big money, added to Marveaux on ridiculous money for his ability aswell as seemingly failed players like Amalfitano and Abeid who never made it here but picked up decent pay cheques, but was probably getting away with them based on the clash he had with Pardew. McClaren was well known to be Carrs absolute number 1 manager choice so Carr can no longer use that excuse that the manager wasnt on the same page. Just an observation that obviously the club has changed its transfer emphasis into something much more McClarenesque. English players in january? unheard of at Newcastle.
    Just wonder if steve gave Carr enough rope to hang himself with signing Thauvin in a bid to have more control of incoming players? I liked thauvin at bastia, but every french journo, agent, and to credit, 99% of people even on this blog knew that Thauvin was unlikely to succeed. And I don;t think anyone couldn’t argue even against the odds that Thauvin was thrown under the bus in terms of oppurtunities. Coming on in games we have had none of the ball etc Just wonder if the lad has been an unfortunate pawn in the power games going on

  • 123 toonincheek // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:33 PM

    To those who say Thauvin hasn’t been given a chance to show his worth –

    Things are tough when you come into the PL.
    You have problems. You have to fight.
    Thauvin is not a fighter.
    He’s given in.
    Just not right mentally.


  • 124 bills-son // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:43 PM

    Ed, you say about the Townsend deal;

    One of the problems for Newcastle with this kind of deal is that if Andros does well then other bigger clubs could be in for him in the summer, and we could miss out on signing him permanently.

    This of course is nonsense…

    It would be a loan with a CONTRACTUALLY AGREED OPTION to buy at £12M and we would only ‘miss out’ if we decided we didn’t want him.

    Why not stick to the facts Ed?

  • 125 Staindropmag // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:45 PM

    Hi wondered if anyone can help?
    I’m interested in going to some away matches and wondered if anyone had any information on a coach that goes to them ?

  • 126 Jack Root // Jan 19, 2016 at 12:47 PM

    Carr/ Cabella etc. Someone who understands FFP. Thank you for heading off and clarifying facts and opinions which cost a lunch hour yesterday.
    The list number / of points response, reminds me of The Chronicle reasons for, which is plain lazy Journalism.
    I am still not convinced that I am not undergoing an initiation test ( FFP/ Levy/ disputing transfer fees) to be accepted by you on the blog- ha ha .
    I don’t really understand your latest nitpicking response which didn’t address the point of my post. To question Carr’s modus operandi and the need to reboot the scouting system.
    If you view signing the Dutch footballer of the year as a good signing then I agree. However, since the Cabaye signing Carr’s standing has been in decline. With responsibility comes accountability. Not least to us fans. It’s very difficult to assess a manager n transfer activity anymore. Rodgers we now learn didn’t want to sign Balotelli, it was down to a committee..
    The Cabaye signing came at the end of his contract and just as he had broken into the French squad. Carr had nurtured the deal and fair play it was a brilliant signing. His 8 year contract came off the back of this.
    Cabella cost was initially undisclosed but subsequently shown as £12 million in a number of sources. Hibbitt makes a good point of the overall cost of Cabella and Thauvin.

  • 127 andrewsneill // Jan 19, 2016 at 1:02 PM

    Townsend and Obertan have played roughly the same number of premier league minutes since the 2011/12 season started (3101 and 2938 respectively) and have the same number of assists and goals combined as each other. How do you think Spurs would react if we quoted them £14m for Obertan?

    I suspect they would say the same as i do with regards to the potential Townsend transfer: I don’t want him for half that amount

  • 128 NUFCJOE // Jan 19, 2016 at 3:10 PM

    Just me that feels Townsend is some what of a diamond in the rough? Yes he’s made of glass, and yes, his performances are often questionable. However, you can’t say that during his England stint, when he was getting regular playing time at the top level for Tottenham, that he wasn’t an excellent young talent.

    So be it he’s a tad older now, and maybe not had the injury fortune. I really think that if he’s given a fair crack at the whip, he can rediscover is former self.

    I’d take the shot

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