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Potential Problem Arises In Newcastle´s Pursuit Of Striker

9:00 am, Wednesday, January 20th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 127 Comments

According to the local press, Newcastle are to launch a bid this week to try to get Saido Berahino to Newcastle and with Berahino not being in the squad for last night´s 3rd round FA Cup replay at Bristol City, the rumors were that a deal was close.

West Brom won the game 1-0 with a second half goal from Salomon Rondon and West Brom manager Tony Pulis has said he wanted to play Saido last night but that he had a stomach bug.

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Saido Berahino – West Brom may be loath to sell to Newcastle

This is what Tony Pulis said last night about the Saido Berahino situation:

“The first thing to say is that the valuation will be determined by the WEst Brom Chairman Jeremy Peace.”

“I was going to play Saido tonight but he’s not been well. He’s picked up a bug that Rickie Lambert and a few other players have had over the last few weeks, so we’ve given him a miss. ”

“But we want to keep Saido if we can.”

That last line is a twist on what Tony was saying over the weekend when the news was that Berahino was now for sale.

One potential problem to Newcastle signing the 22 year-old striker is that West Brom are not out of relegation trouble yet and we play them at home on February 6th.

West Brom are currently 6 points above is in the league table.

That could cause West Brom to be wary of selling the player to Newcastle, especially after Swansea sold Jonjo Shelvey to us and then he was Man of the Match last Saturday.

Jonjo´s brilliant play got us two goals and all 3 points against the Hammers and Swansea came in for some criticism for selling him to Newcastle.

That could either mean West Brom simply will not sell Saido or that they put a premium on him  if he is to move to Newcastle.

That´s one of the problems clubs have when they try to buy players in January, when they are also in the relegation zone.

The local news today is that Newcastle remain  confident of being able to get Saido signed.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.

Tags: Newcastle News · Recruitment · Transfer News and Rumours · Transfer Target

127 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Rotonda heights // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:04 AM


    wouldn’t be disappointed at all. spending for spending’s sake on townsend is not the answer.

    bera would be a different type to mitro as he can get in behind but do we need the circus that comes with him. someone like berahino who isn’t berahino would be great. there must be some rapid fleet footed goal scorer for reasonable money out there somewhere.

  • 2 FozNUFC // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:06 AM

    Love to see him in a toon shirt but overpriced at 18 million, we could go and get a quality CB and a LB with tht sort of money

  • 3 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:06 AM

    Marlon harewood, shefki kuqi and of course, Shola…..

  • 4 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:06 AM

    I wonder if Fred is available.

  • 5 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:08 AM

    If we want an experienced winger with lightening pace, we could maybe try and get Chris Waddle on a short term deal. He can also take the PeLaNties

  • 6 optimistic prime // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:12 AM

    Has the big day for NUFC started?

  • 7 Goofy // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:15 AM

    Reckon soccer sauce has missed the mark this time, (hoping I don’t eat my words) Surely there’s better out there for that price?

  • 8 jayphoto // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:16 AM

    I’m going to be honest, ive not seen any of Berahino, how have west brom got to a 20m+ valuation??
    I don’t think hes as much trouble as is being made out. Pretty sure West Brom broke some promises to him about being allowed to leave?
    Heard a pulis interview a while ago where he was saying Berahino is a pain who needs a kick up the arse every 3 months but it was all minor things like time keeping and that he was a bit casual and needed to be more professional. One things for sure, if his attitude was bad towards coaches or players under pulis hed have been headbutted and sent to train alone, he doesn’t suffer fools

  • 9 lochinvar // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:16 AM

    Pulis’ statements about Berahino are just part and parcel of the negotiation process – ” should he stay or should he go ”
    “We want him to stay – but didn’t play him because he was ill….” ( in brackets read..” we want as much money as possible to get rid of him, he’s not interested in West Brom and wants to be at a big club like Newcastle” )
    What will be will be.

  • 10 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:20 AM


    Its the same old story. Home grown player = hugely inflated price. 14 goals last season was a reasonable return in an average team? But you are right, he hasn’t REALLY justified a 20M valuation

  • 11 Goofy // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:21 AM


    Maybe he’s only wound his neck in knowing what Pulis is capable of. Mclaren doesn’t command respect like Pulis. If he’s a trouble maker we should leave him where he is, we already have Shekvey and Mitro, adding another hot head would be throwing fuel onto the flames. Not what we need at this moment in time.

  • 12 hibbitt // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:24 AM

    i see we are being linked with a boro youngster harry chapman 17/18.years old very good player can play on either wing big strong lad very highly thought of by boro coaching staff not sure were the stories coming from but its in the sun and 1/2 other papers have picked it up

  • 13 jayphoto // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:27 AM

    I agree, im not sure we have the dressing room characters to keep wilder personalities in check. Coloccini is a quiet man. Most of the squad is very cery young. Only person really shouting on the pitch is Elliot, saw he even leads and does the talking in the huddle.
    Even the coaching staff- cathro is younger than half the team and Simpson takes a matey good cop role.
    Reckon mcclaren can probably lose it here and there. Reckon hed have the respect of some of the dutch lads, his twente title win is the stuff of legend over there and hes well respected in holland

  • 14 jayphoto // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:29 AM

    Just a note on Elliot actually but when will he stop bring referred to as Kruls understudy? He’s played better this season that krul has in over 18 months. Can’t see how if he keeps it up they could even warrant Krul coming back in and walking back into first choice?

  • 15 optimistic prime // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:30 AM

    Good article in the mag regarding our complete lack of options on the bench.
    The bench on Sat would hardly have any of the starting 11 worried about their place, even the signing of Townsend and Berahinio wouldn’t make much difference.

    I still think something’s going on regarding the Townsend deal, Levy probs wants Perez or 1st option on him.

    Watched Inter Napoli last night and wasn’t impressed with Gabiadini at all.
    Offside as often as Cisse and not very mobile, surprised we’ve been linked unless his agent is the clubs buddy.

  • 16 nut meg // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:35 AM

    Plenty people on here were talking about 20+ for Perez a short while ago.

  • 17 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:37 AM

    The problem being for the fees being talked about we potentially could get better but what if we spend 20 million from a striker from Spain/France etc and he flops again with not being used to the league ?

    Berahino has at least shown when fully fit he will get lots of goals in the league remember he has been playing a Pulis team which is essentially like Allardyce and Pardew when he was here ! Hoof balls with no pass and move if he was in our team against West Ham last week the way we played he would have got a hat trick in the first half !

  • 18 toon kk // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:37 AM

    Our business is over for this window. The rest is speculation.

  • 19 The overrated Frenchman // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:45 AM

    Jayphoto, in response to your last couple of posts. I wonder if Colo has a but more influence off the field than he appears to have on it. I seem to recall it being reported that he jacked up against Ben Arfa in the club room because of his attitude and that contributed to his exit. And I agree we have lost nothing with Krul being out. Elliot has been more than capable, and as far as I’m concerned if he maintains that standard Krul shouldn’t walk back into side.

  • 20 The overrated Frenchman // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:46 AM

    That should read “bit” more influence..

  • 21 Jail for Ashley // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:50 AM

    Fully agree on Elliott, no way Krul should get straight back in.

  • 22 hibbitt // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:52 AM

    toon kk
    its only speculation that our business is over……. the truth is we don’t know one way or the other…….that’s only you speculating

  • 23 Goofy // Jan 20, 2016 at 9:53 AM

    If they let Perez go in this window we’ll be going down. The games we’ve taken points from this season was because of great performances from either Wini or Perez, (the team helped obviously) they both have that something special. I’ll be fuming if it’s something idiotic like perez plus mony for Townsend.

  • 24 mad-serb // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:01 AM

    This is just all part of the smoke screen of completing a transfer. Look at the summer with the whole Mitrovic debacle that went on for 3 weeks or so.

    One day he signs the next day Porto wants him and putting togther the money blah blah blah. In the end the player confirmed that he wanted to join us and it was the clubs discussing the transfer fees.

    This is the same thing that is currently happening. The difference is we have all the cards in our hand and penfold is trying to get away with as much as he can.

    Lets be honest, noboday is going to pay 14m for Townsend. Secondly is he going to just walk into the team = no. Perez will play there on Saturday and next saturday. He will start on the bench in anycase, so we are able to be firm on what we think is a good deal for us.

    Levy is playing hardball but we are just as stuborn as they are probably even more so. It will happen probably next week or the week after. I think we can see a winger will be brought in this month but their is no rush at the moment.

    If you look at our squad you can see that. Lets say sissoko gets injured in the run in, who plays in his position? Perez will probably move across and who ever we buy plays on the left. Gini is our most threatning player so to move him out to the wing is obviously and option but he is 10 time more effective in the number 10 role. So his cover is Siem which leaves us with the winger or striker/winger to fill.

    I think Berahino deal is more complicated as their might be some interest around but I do not see Chelsea buying him which leaves Tottenham probably as the main rivals their. Stoke have no change, just cant see him going their instead of us.

    Tottenham clearly unsettled Berahino and i think they told him some things and now its seems that they looking elsewhere. or is it just a ploy? He will leave in January as they WBA cannot have a striker of his ability not playing. i think they are still looking for a replacement so this is delaying the situation as well. This one will drag out till the next week at the very least.

    The only way this ends if someone places the bid and gets accepted and then we see what happens. Hope it is us but with a chairmen as complicated as us and theirs. Everybody will fight for their cents still somebody gives in first.

    Then we will see what Spurs reponse is. If they come in i hope we have an alternative as then this deal is dead.

  • 25 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:02 AM

    Nut Meg

    Were they? (20m for perez). I have only recently started posting here regularly again, so I missed that. However, with respect, thats a crazy valuation for a youngster. Unless of course its just to put people off buying him. It still isnt really justified though.

  • 26 optimistic prime // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:07 AM

    I’ve read Berihinio hasn’t started in 12weeks, a blanket would do WBA to replace him as I’m sure that would keep the bench warm.

    Pullis comments about wanting to keep him as he’s important to the team and squad also smells fishy, 12weeks on the bench. Whys he so important, is his arse ergonomically designed for the bench?

  • 27 Spoof // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:07 AM

    We were supposed to have received encouragement from Berahino’s agent, is that really true or is that his agent politely telling Daniel Levy to get his finger out.

    Another thing which has crossed my mind is why is Daniel Levy asking for £14m for Townsend which is way too much, could it be due to West Brom wanting £22m for Berahino which again is way too much, personally I would say that £22m is about £4/5m too much for Berahino and Townsend for me should be about half of what Tottenham are asking, I think Tottenham are holding us to ransom because West Brom are doing the same to them.

    I realise that Levy does this anyway but on this occasion I can understand why, what I would look at doing is to screw Tottenham and pay the extra for Berahino ourselves and then go for Matt Phillips, what we lose on Berahino we would save on Phillips and have the added bonus of getting a better winger.

  • 28 BandB // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM

    mad serb

    Next week starts on Sunday, January 24th and ends on Sunday, January 31st, as does the transfer window.
    There is no “week after.” And certainly no “week after at least.”

  • 29 Goofy // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:14 AM

    Pulis is trying to squeeze a couple of extra Mil out of the deal. They obviously don’t want him, they’re just delaying to get more bidders in and buming up the asking price. Could someone please come in for both of these overpriced gambles, it’s giving me a sore head, next!

  • 30 jazzyp // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:14 AM

    People worrying where all these hopefully new players are going to fit in…We cant drop mitro for Bera or If Townsend comes surely we wont drop Sissoko.
    Do you not think it is nice for a change to have these options of rotation rather than than having a wafer thin squad.

  • 31 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:16 AM

    Still worrying that it seems that we are not being linked with any left backs or centre backs though

  • 32 hibbitt // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:18 AM

    think the window closes on the 2nd of Feb

  • 33 nut meg // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:19 AM

    It wasn’t the club but some posters on here.I know it’s crazy money.You know what it’s like with supporters,score a couple of goals and some people call them world class.It’s easier for you younger guys but for this old wrinklie trying to get my head round 20+m for any player makes me dizzy.Time for a beer I think.

  • 34 toon kk // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:22 AM

    The situation we’re in is directly from a very poorly run club, MA penny pinching, wasting money on French flops so they’ll play under his wage cap or not signing players at all has ended up costing the club extra millions in the long term.
    Just bringing in one or two quality players in when they were required would have seen us pushing for Europe now.
    We’re left in the bottom three, having to spend big with an outside chance to stay in the premier league.
    This season has been coming for years, let’s hope we survive and the board learn from it.

  • 35 hibbitt // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:24 AM

    toon kk
    that’s only speculation

  • 36 beermonkey // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:26 AM


    people have forgotten that there are cups to play for and plenty of games to rotate players
    all we’ve done so far is patched the first team we are still along way from having a squad and options

  • 37 croftus5678 // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:26 AM

    imo patrick bamford is a better bet than berahino and would prob be half the price.

  • 38 JDdubai // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:27 AM

    WBA dont want to keep him, just Pulis playing the game. Also if he doesnt leave then they need the option of using him until the summer, easier to do if Pulis says he wants to keep him publicly.

    Get the feeling that most people arent really bothered if we get these 2 or not. Cant see them both being first choice players currently, maybe only if sissoko leaves in the summer.

    Value for money wise, better options out there. But then again, a bit of strength in depth is something we have never really had so if they both come then I think it could mean we will be safe.

  • 39 Sazzer // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:27 AM

    Not the first cover up from sauce but probably the worst one.

    Soccer Sauce @soccer_sauce
    #NUFC – when we say tomorrow is a big day, we mean that it could see a lot of progress on discussions. Don’t EXPECT any done deals

  • 40 toon kk // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:27 AM

    Is your keypad stuck? Or is it just speculation?

  • 41 Jib // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:28 AM

    Scott Sinclair is an interesting one.

    A similar career path to Townsend.

    At one time such a highly rated winger he got a dream move from Swansea to Man City.

    In Manchester his career stalled and after 3 years last summer he moved to Villa where things didn’t improve.

    The Mirror says he is going back to Swansea but this is what the Birmingham Mail (part of the Mirror Group ) is saying.

  • 42 ctommo // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:29 AM

    Make a take it or leave it bid on Berahino and Townsend if that’s who Shteve desperately wants, if WBA and Levy don’t accept . . . . lets move on and take Willems from PSV, go for a centre back and if a new striker is needed, Javier Hernandez would be first choice, otherwise i’d offer 5 or 6 million for Shane Long now Southampton have got Austin.

  • 43 Sazzer // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:29 AM

    Curtis or whatever his name was at Swansea also said he would like to keep Shelvey and so on.

  • 44 BandB // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:30 AM


    It does. Too much haste, too little thinking on my part.

  • 45 Jib // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:32 AM

  • 46 BandB // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:32 AM

    We train our telescope at a small patch of sky.
    We know which of the bodies that fit our study will be transiting in January.
    We will pursue the ones we’ve been waiting for and either land them, miss them, or wait for them to come round again.
    This is how it has worked thus far. I’d be surprised if we attempt to sign someone we haven’t been tracking.

  • 47 Reyantoon // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:33 AM

    Not trying to sound jinx but toon kk usually doesn’t know what he’s talking about!Lol

  • 48 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:33 AM

    Cups to play for? Not at this club.

  • 49 Spoof // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:34 AM

    YCMIU/nut meg

    is it not all relative though, if Townsend is worth £14m then what is Perez worth as for me Perez is a far superior player, but you could also say that if Wignaldum is a £14m player then Perez and Townsend should only be worth £4/5 as they are not in the same class as Gini, the transfer world is a crazy world and it always will be a case that a player is only worth what the buyer will pay, but it will never make sense.

    Mind £14m for Gini, I would sell his left leg for that, that was a steal !

  • 50 Goofy // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:34 AM


    Agree the squad is thin but we should be looking at better options for that price. They are both young and could potentially be great, it just doesn’t seem to work that way here, murphy’s law comes to mind.

    Ashley has decided to spend but do we really need Berahino? We have Armstrong who’s banging them in for fun. He’d be a great partner for Mitro but that would mean they’d have to change the formation, his beloved 4-2-3-1 that has done as great so far 😀

    Do we really need Townsend? We have/had Thauvin who was basically forced out of the club prematurely. The guy got 3 starts and 10 mins now and then when we were getting beat, totally shameful.

    We have Aarons back who definitely looks like a star of the future, who knows maybe even present.

    My point is use the £30 mil on a striker who is in form and a decent CB.

  • 51 hibbitt // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:38 AM

    toon kk
    no mate but we all do it thats all we can do were not privy to the inner workings of the club so we speculate that’s what makes the world go round were all the same grabbing at any bit of information we can even if it’s just someone speculating

  • 52 mad-serb // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:38 AM


    Actually there is a week after as the transfer window closes on Monday 1 feb at 23:59, but I was more trying to make a point that this will drag out towards the close of the window as the are no people standing in a cue to steal him from us.

  • 53 Spoof // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:41 AM


    you mention Aarons, I agree he is a star for the future and if he gets fit he could be a star now, but how long will he be a star for us, his contact runs out in June so he could already have a move lined up for the summer !

  • 54 BandB // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:42 AM


    I know. You are right that, for all the supposed secrecy, our transfer dealings are more often very drawn out public sagas.
    We do have next week. And even three days of the week after. But it can’t be “even later” than that.

  • 55 jazzyp // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:45 AM


    I think a lot of guy’s are forgetting where we are in the league mate. If we were in the top 6-7 then we would definitely be more of desired option for a player. But currently we are in a relegation fight and that is not an attractive option for most players.
    Yeah we would all love a Abdennour type CB or a Lacazette type player to come through the door ! Maybe the players we are linked with are the best option out there in our current plight

  • 56 toon kk // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:46 AM

    I agree mate, nobody knows what’s going to happen, if we’ll sign someone else or not, it’s the roller coaster of NUFC.

  • 57 optimistic prime // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:47 AM

    I thought the window closed 12noon on 1st feb.

  • 58 optimistic prime // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:50 AM

    Anyway sky says 12days 12gours and 42miins, beep beep beep

  • 59 jazzyp // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:50 AM

    ?@TheMatKey I’ve just been told that the transfer of #WBA player @SBerahino to #NUFC is all but complete. Player happy with contract. Medical pending.

    Gotta love the world of Tw@tter

  • 60 optimistic prime // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:51 AM

    Gours are like hours

  • 61 BandB // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:52 AM

    From the Barclay’s site.

    The January 2016 transfer window is open and will close at 11pm GMT on Monday 1 February.

  • 62 Spoof // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:54 AM

    If Berahino doesn’t come then who do we go for next, it does seem as though the club have a striker as a priority but there is little out there, Pato would be a silly move, he has not fulfilled his potential and nobody seems to want him, I wonder why, Pato is a Portuguese word, translated into English it means duck, I think we would be well advised to duck that particular player.

    Lacazette obviously doesn’t want to come and again his asking price without Prem experience would be a huge gamble, there isn’t really that many to choose from, for me we should push the boat out and pay what West Brom want as there doesn’t seem to be too many other options.

  • 63 mad-serb // Jan 20, 2016 at 10:56 AM

    Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    Jetro Willems is the left back we want but he is been out since the start of the season with a serious knee injury and he wont be back till probably April so they will wait till the summer to sign him, and also reasses him to see how he goes in the last couple of months of the season. will not benifit us in signing him now, we have enough injured players.

  • 64 Rotonda heights // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM

    don’t mind Berahino as he’s a different type to Mitro and offers an alternative threat

  • 65 nut meg // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM

    Willems is back.

  • 66 jazzyp // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:02 AM


    That is exactly my point bud !Realistically would any top player wont to come here when you look at the league table ??
    If we were top 6 every season then I doubt we would have as much of a problem in attracting top footballing talent.
    Would Lacazette turn us down…..Would Remy I don’t think so. Until such time we are back up in the higher echelons of the league then it is a case of rebuilding again.
    Shelvey is a big start if the last game was anything to go by, As he seems to have impressed his new colleagues around him. Which is a massive step in trying to keep these players like Gini

  • 67 emperor // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:08 AM


    Perez and money for townsend is hilarious because if tiownsend is worth 14 million then perez must be worth 20 at least

  • 68 emperor // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:09 AM

    Berahino and Shelvey link up would be awesome.

    Shelveys through balls to a quick striker that can finish. Or we can knock it up to mitro for knock downs to berahino…Good options to have

  • 69 Rotonda heights // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:10 AM


    when you consider wijni we got for 14m, then the amount asked for an over rated bit part player like Townsend is absurd.

    I don’t understand why english players hold such a premium.

  • 70 beermonkey // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:13 AM


    would Liverpool have been able to squeeze 40 odd mill for sterling if city didn’t need to buy a home grown player

  • 71 Rotonda heights // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:14 AM


    Point taken but sky have a world wide audience and zillions around the world would have seen that first 25 mins v west ham and I’m sure some decent players would have thought aye aye I wouldn’t mind a piece of that.

    If not for so many missed chances we’d be another 6 points clear by now. I liked SM’s passion and reaction when Mitro missed another sitter.

  • 72 jazzyp // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:16 AM

    Newcastle on the trail of Middlesbrough’s wonderkid winger Harry Chapman.

  • 73 mad-serb // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:17 AM

    nut meg

    Tx for the update, not sure if its good or bad news, as I know Man U and the liverfools was also tracking him as well.

    Hope Shaw makes a full recovery and nobody tries to buy Moreno then we need just gini to presuade his pal to join us 🙂

  • 74 BandB // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:17 AM

    I think the Berahinio signing may well go ahead. It is just a question of agreeing a price and personal terms and not being gazzumped.
    You’d presume WBA would want time to invest their windfall this window, as Pulis has apparently been told he can’t buy unless Berahinio is sold.
    The Tiote sale would have covered a chunk of the cost and the wage bill.
    Buying both Berahinio and Townsend at top price without selling Tiote was probably not Plan A.
    It comes down to how lucky our gambler is feeling.

  • 75 emperor // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:18 AM

    Rotonda heights.

    I dont understand it either generally english players are 1.5-2x more expensive than they should be its crazy.
    Im guessing its partlyt to do with the home grown players rules

  • 76 emperor // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:20 AM

    I noticed a lot of fans were annoyed we didnt go after cabaye in the summer.

    Wondering now what you guys think is the better deal

    Cabaye or Shelvey?

  • 77 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:22 AM

    The central defense is still our main concern I think. I could do with a loan deal for Remy if it meant we would get a proper CB.

  • 78 Spoof // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:23 AM


    Totally agree, my own opinion is that Ashley realised just how far adrift we had fell last season, Pardew had a good run playing with two banks of four using the pace of Ameobi, Sissoko and Obertan to hit teams on the break, it worked and saved us from the drop, we could possibly should have went down last season, I think Ashley realised this but was still of the opinion that cash can be earned from us but he must invest to avoid the drop which is why we spent what we did in the summer, we are still in a perilous position which is why we are still spending, don’t forget that a combined spend in excess of £100m would still leave Ashley in pocket if we stay up.

    So for me we aren’t being ambitious all we are doing is protecting our premier league status which is what we have done year in year out since we got back into the premier league, however the club could claim that what we are seeing is a change of direction which would be a great help when trying to attract a better quality of player, lets hope this does happen and if it does and we continue to try and improve then yes we could then say fair enough the club are trying to make us a force again, but for me I will not accept that we are being ambitious until the end of the transfer window in the summer of 2017, we need to survive this season build this summer have a much better 2016/17 season and then build on that improvement for me to believe that we are being ambitious, as far now I will give them a chance and hope that they can dupe good players into believing that we are heading in the right direction, even though 4th from bottom appears to be the right direction, which is pretty sad really.

  • 79 Rotonda heights // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:23 AM


    yes possibly.

  • 80 jazzyp // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:24 AM


    Agree mate we do look like a team on the up, But if it came between a choice of Us or Spurs..Who they going to choose this month ?
    If Spurs put in a 20 mill bid for Bera and we put the same bid in and offer the exact same salary and contract there would only be one winner, And unfortunately I doubt it would be us buddy.
    We have a nucleus of a top team and the addition of Shelvey could be instrumental in our hopeful rise up the table .I just wish we would cut out signing 3-4-5 mill players and hoping they turn into players we can sell on at a profit…or worse just be used as a stepping stone to the elite teams of this world

  • 81 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:25 AM

    emperor…it’s never the same the second time around. Cabaye moved on and we moved on.

  • 82 emperor // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:26 AM

    jesperfuglsang I think he could still have done a good job for us for the next 3 seasons. Im happy with shelvey though.

  • 83 BandB // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:30 AM

    We have one player who would almost certainly start in a top six team.

  • 84 Spoof // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:31 AM


    as impressive as Shelvey was I would still say Cabaye, apart from PSG Cabaye has always succeeded and only left because he wanted too, Liverpool got rid of Shelvey as did Swansea which to me is a huge concern especially when he has shown his ability at both of those clubs, with both clubs getting rid of such a high quality player you have got to ask why, no such issues with Cabaye and he is a great player so for me Cabaye.

  • 85 BandB // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:34 AM

    If Shelvey had debuted with a stinker or got sent off, only a fool would have claimed it proved he was a rubbish player.
    The reverse is also true.

  • 86 jayphoto // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:34 AM

    West Brom definitely need to sell. They’re not using berahino and arent clear of the relegation zone and need to add. Personally reckon they could be sucked in as Newcastle and Swansea have better squads, norwich and Bournemouth seem to have a team ethic and are spending and history says big sam might be able to keep Sunderland up. Surprised theyve not spent tho
    Baggies would be my dark horse to finish 18th

  • 87 Take a Chancel on me // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:35 AM

    Newcastle are now 7/4 favs to sign Berahino

  • 88 Bobbybee // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:35 AM

    The best way to get the best out of someone like Townsend is to stick him down the left wing and make his assist bonus higher than his goal bonus. That way he would be less inclined to take wild shots and concentrate more on sticking accurate crosses onto Mitrovic’s head.

  • 89 Spoof // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:35 AM


    That has to be Wijnaldum

  • 90 expatmag // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:36 AM


    Duck Pate………lol

  • 91 jazzyp // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:36 AM


    When you look back to the 90’s when St james rocked every home game, It was because on the surface the club looked like we were going in the right direction. Fighting for the league….in Europe…cup finals…Top players.. basically we had hope and belief.
    That has all been whittled away year by year to basically fighting for survival every season. I personally think we make to many mistakes in the transfer market when we are being pro-active. More failures than success is hurting us bad.
    As said we have always had a nuclease of a cracking side and with that bit extra in the transfer market there is no reason why we cannot be a top 6 side…no reason what so ever.Hopefully now SM is on the board our transfer targets will be more hit than miss

  • 92 Jack Root // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:37 AM

    Cabaye at present. However they’re both intelligent players and could adjust their respective roles and responsibilities depending on the state of play.
    We should have bought Cabaye in the summer but Ashley had already made a killing. He would have supplied the bullets for Mitrovic. Just as he did for Ba and Cisse.

  • 93 Spoof // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:39 AM


    would it not be better to get an out and out left winger rather than hope that Townsend may convert into one, why not keep Thauvin and give him an extended run, as little as we have seen of him we have seen enough to know that he has a superb delivery on him.

  • 94 Rotonda heights // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:41 AM


    is that the cabaye who went on strike to force a move

  • 95 Bobbybee // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:45 AM

    I’d take Shelvey over Cabaye. He’s younger and fitter and Cabaye refused to play for us, causing disruption in the squad. Cabaye hasn’t exactly set Palace on fire recently either – they’re on a losing run that’s causing concern. He was in his prime last time.

  • 96 hibbitt // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:45 AM

    shelvey never had a hope at liverpool could not get a game so many good players ahead of him …..swansea i agree major fallout with jenkins …….on cabaye he choose to leave for pastures new and never got a kick …..give shelvey a chance

  • 97 expatmag // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:45 AM

    Cabaye is 30 and on the wain.

    Shelvey is 23 and on the up.

  • 98 Reyantoon // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:48 AM

    Lil- not many options available to choose from to be fair.Even Berahino is unproven for me and still will be a gamble.The club looks to be forced to make overpayments as we are in desperate situation.Remy will be the best and safest option and I think they already offered him for us if I remember correctly.I don’t know Philips well but Townsend is still much better as he played more PL games than Philips.Whatever happens I’m still positive we’ll sign Townsend and either Remy or Berahino!

  • 99 Lilongwe Geordie // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:50 AM

    Townsend has played 200 more minutes of Premier league football than Phillips.

  • 100 Bobbybee // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:54 AM

    Spoof, Townsend started life on the left, but moved to the right. He’s left footed remember. Playing on the right he always cuts in and lets loose. Sometimes it worked, more often it didn’t. Personally I prefer to play left footers down the left and vice versa. That way they get to the byline and cross, instead of having to cut back onto their favoured foot. Just a personal preference.

  • 101 emperor // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:54 AM


    Fair points however dont forget Cabaye going on strike to force through a move. I think the main issue with Shelvey is that at liverpool he was young and struggling to get games so liverpool sold him. Much like we did with Abeid /kemen doesnt mean there was issues with them.

    We also offered Swansea a lot of money for him so Im not too concerned that he has left those 2 clubs

  • 102 emperor // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:57 AM

    I think the club probably considered Cabaye as well as Shelvey in the summer and weighed it up.

    If Shelvey has a good 2 seasons for us his value will rocket.
    No matter what Cabaye does his value will always be decreasing.

    As we know with our club resale value above all is the most important thing lol

  • 103 BandB // Jan 20, 2016 at 11:59 AM


    It would.

    Berahinio and Townsend would strengthen our squad.
    But they are coming in the expectation of starting.
    And if we do sign them, we will still only have one player who might be a starter in a top six team.
    Berahinio could be a good signing. But like Shelvey he’d be coming here because he’s under a cloud. We’d need to get out of him something others haven’t.
    We have a chequered record on that score.

  • 104 Jack Root // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:00 PM

    I see it’s being widely reported that Man U are looking to replace LVG in the summer with Pochettino and John McDermott who is the head of coaching and player development at Spurs. To compare and contrast what Spurs are doing with their academy and player recruitment shows that were light years behind.
    Brendan Rodgers, who’s probably got a book to sell, has said that he thought he’d clinched a deal to sign Dele Alli for Liverpool as he spent a few hours talking to him. Only to find that he had been snatched away by Spurs.
    Last November, Adam Armstrong during a visit from one of our scouts, tipped him off that Coventry had a midfielder James Maddison that premier league scouts were looking at. Apparently the feedback was that we would take a look and later that we were interested but would look to do business in the summer.
    Today The Times are reporting that Spurs are too increase their offer to £5 million before the window closes and are expected to sign him. OK maybe we have more pressing recruitment issues or just plain naivety.
    Sorry to keep banging on but I believe we need a complete overhaul of personnel at the academy and scouting network nationally and indeed globally. Speculate to accumulate.

  • 105 jayphoto // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:01 PM

    One thing signing berahino, Townsend, shelvey represents, whether they are good enough or not is that something has changed in the clubs awful transfer policy. Im happy for that alone.
    In terms of what they’ll offer…
    Id bet money that townsend will contribute more thsn thauvin
    Berahino will offer more than cisse and Riviere
    Saivet will give a damn more than tiote
    Shelvey will create more key passes per game than colback does all season.
    If someone in December said wed end up signing shelvey, saivet, townsend and berahino wed have laughed them off the blog.
    If the transfers happen we are much stronger than we were so dont see what the issue would be.
    Easy to debate that other players are better than townsend/berahino but question is, are they available, and would they even join, and would they adapt to the league quick enough to make a difference this season. My bet is not many players tick those 3 boxes

  • 106 Jack Root // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:02 PM

    Thought you might be interesting in AA scouting for us.

  • 107 emperor // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:04 PM


    berahino gini sissoko

    colback shelvey
    Mbabu colo mbemba janmaat

    I like the look of this, only problem is berahino wont track back to help mbabu/dummett or whoever plays lb

  • 108 Bobbybee // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:04 PM

    My point with Townsend is that we aren’t getting heading chances for Mitrovic. He had two belting shots v West Ham, which shows his timing is improving and I reckon he’ll come good very soon. He needs more crosses and right now it ain’t happening. As it looks like we’re set on signing Townsend, I just think playing him on the left would increase crosses – especially if his assist bonus was higher. Just a thought really.

  • 109 Hail Wor Ashley // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:05 PM

    £8-12m is an acceptable range for Townsend, if Spurs insist on any more I’d pull the plug. We can wait this one out with 18-months on his contract and him being young, the power will only shift more towards us as his contract runs down.

    Berahino – not convinced on his stats alone, then throw his questionable professionalism in to the mix, he’s hardly proven. One season does not make for a reliable PL ST and the amount of cash being bandied around for Berahino is baffling. Surely there’s better out there and like Townsend, he has 18 months on his deal remaining, so we can afford to wait, because I don’t think signing him would be the difference between safety or not.

    I’d be trying to get Remy on-loan for the season, then return to Berahino or others in the summer. Yeah Remy is a mercenary, but he’s honest about it and is as professional mercanry as there is and we know he can handle it and score goals up here. Him with Wijnaldum would be great fit, so much movement and pace.

  • 110 BandB // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:06 PM


    But if they are not good enough you should be concerned. Whether they are good enough is ALL that matters, not what we paid for them.

  • 111 Reyantoon // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:07 PM

    Lil – ha ha, well that still is more pitch time in PL in favor of Townsend isn’t it lol..
    The other way to look around is Philips cannot play on the left while Townsend can.Which is another bonus to have him than Phillips.

  • 112 Spoof // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:07 PM


    I totally agree m8, our transfers have generally been poor with the odd success, Cabaye, Ba on a free, Perez were are good signings as are Sissoko and Wijnaldum, but there have been many spectacular failings.

    Personally I have not been too impressed with McClaren as I feel his squad is better than what our results have been, however I must say that when it comes to this window he does seem to be getting or so far getting what he and we want, and I have to admit that he is doing it totally differently to how I would, me, I would have went for a commanding CB and a real powerhouse holding midfielder to work on his own, why have two deep lying midfielders, just have one and allow both Sissoko and Gini to concentrate on attact rather than have one eye on defence due to Anita and Colback as a pairing being to weak.

    What McClaren seems to be doing due to Shelvey is to protect our defence by having a deep lying midfielder who can turn defence into attack very quickly, we saw that against West Ham, as a result our opponents will not over committ as they could with Anita in the side because if they do then Shelvey can and probably will punish them as his passing is of a very good standard, we saw how Janmaat took advantage of Shelvey, for me that was possibly Janmaats best game for us as we always had an outball due to him, and McClaren also wants Townsend who would also take advantage of those long passes from Shelvey (I would rather have Phillips but that is personal choice) so at least there does seem to be a plan and a method to how these players could link up, so as much as I don’t rate McClaren I will say he does seem to have knocked Carr of his perch and he is getting players who he feels can help him.

    From day one it was clear that Pardew did not want or rate Marveaux, MYM, Amalfitano, Cabella, Anita etc, the same applies to McClaren with Thauvin ( I happen to like Thauvin, but thats not the point) the point is what we seem to be seeing this window is McClaren getting what he feels he needs, Pardew never had the chance to succeed but McClaren might, I just hope that he takes advantage of this opportunity.

  • 113 Hail Wor Ashley // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:08 PM

    Redmond also has 18-months left on his contract, I don’t know why we aren’t looking to him foremost, if we’re going for an English winger and have £12m+ to spend. Norwich will find it much more difficult than Spurs to turn down that kind of cash in their situation.

  • 114 jazzyp // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:10 PM

    Tiote’s move to Shanghai Shenhua had been placed into doubt, after reports suggested that the two parties had failed to agree personal terms.

    However, the Shields Gazette claims that the transfer is on track and will go through in the near future.

    Tiote is said to have agreed terms with the Chinese club, and Newcastle have accepted a bid worth around £5 million.

    Steve McClaren is said to be an admirer of Tiote’s talents, but with the arrivals of Jonjo Shelvey and Henri Saivet this month, he has dropped down the pecking order

  • 115 Take a Chancel on me // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:10 PM



    Newcastle have had two offers turned down by Tottenham for Andros Townsend – one of a permanent transfer and another a loan.

    However, according to Sky sources, the permanent offer was for £10.5m – still some way short of Spurs’ valuation, which is reported to be £14m.

    We do expect, though, that Newcastle will go back with a renewed bid for the England international.

  • 116 Hail Wor Ashley // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:12 PM


    Those are our players with 18-months left on their contracts. Can only see us trying to retain Krul and possibly Anita. Think the rest will be sold asap.

  • 117 emperor // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:13 PM

    Where has the sudden love and ratings come from for phillips?
    Was he very good in the prem last season?

  • 118 Rotonda heights // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:15 PM

    it’s funny how people rave on about crosses into the box. The reality is over 90% of crosses are headed away.

    Much more effective are through balls and cut backs from the byline to onrushing players to strike.

    Crossing is just playing the percentages and more often than not giving the ball away.

  • 119 SPRINGY // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:16 PM

    hows the back mate?
    im the same as you when it comes to wingers..much prefer left footers on the left and vice versa…always feel it gives the attacker the advantage when getting in the box as a right footer on the left has to check back which slows the play….like you, just my preference

  • 120 Bobbybee // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:17 PM

    Jack, why not? Arma is a special talent who will eventually set the PL on fire. If he sees someone he rates highly, he does right to speak up. Is Maddison the one who has played Arma in regularly? Can’t wait to get him back next season. His acceleration over the first ten yards is blinding and he’s by far and away our most natural finisher. This spell at Coventry has been excellent for his education and he’ll come back better for it. A star in the making.

  • 121 emperor // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:17 PM

    Hail Wor Ashley

    I agree redmond over townsend easily but redmond plays right mid a lot. I think there is a genuine lack of good left sided wide players which is perhaps what we need

  • 122 Pitmatic // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:21 PM

    Both Townsend and Berahino have 18 months left on their contracts. What would they be worth if we walked away for now and came back in the summer? I think they’d both be decent additions, but the prices quoted are way over the top. They’d surely be much cheaper in six months, even with the new TV deal, and if not, there’d be better options available. Of the front six that started against West Ham, the first player I’d be looking to upgrade is Colback, rather than Perez or Mitrovic.

    I still think Dwight Gayle could be a good option for us right now. He’d give us the pace we’ve been lacking, and could play down the left side. Decent squad player next year when we’ve hopefully shifted Gouffran, Marveaux and Riviere.

  • 123 Jack Root // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:21 PM

    Yes he was and is good value for £7 million. He’s played for Scotland.
    I keep reading that McClaren wants more pace in the team and Townsend offers that but Phillips is tmore consistent.

  • 124 BandB // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:27 PM


    Tiote deal goes ahead.
    Spurs take £12m for Townsend.
    Thauvin heads off on loan.
    Berahinio signs.
    £100m spent in two windows, as was promised and therefore what I expected.

    Time to run out the flags. Time for the neggers to celebrate our good fortune in having such a top owner and wait for our inevitable rise up the table?

    Wasn’t that the storyline after the summer window?
    Wonder what happened to that?

    We are playing catch-up after years of neglect, spending money the club hasn’t been allowed to spend.
    And all we had to do to trigger this plan was to wait into we were facing relegation yet again.

    I’m reminded of the Baldrick cunning plan that involved waiting until their heads had been chopped off before attempting to escape.

  • 125 2 goals 1 cup // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:28 PM

    for me i think its best to get some loans deals in why pay crazy prices for players who are not playing regularly thuran can play on the left if we need him is townsed really going to be any better the guy need confidence not to be made the scapegoat because were not getting the results we need the young lad has only played like 3 games. Berahino yerre he may get a few goals for us until he spits his dummy out and refuses to play for us because he cant get big money move away. we dont need a new forward like that

  • 126 Jib // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:29 PM

    A wee history lesson with some speculation at the end.

    The owner of Olympique Marseilles is the Russian born Swiss widow of French billionaire |Robert Louis-Dreyfuss , he was a life long Marseilles fan.

    Margarita (the widow) now has a new feller and is expecting twins in April so is not really interested in footy club ownership these days.
    The club is for sale for the remarkably low price of €100 million.

    The speculation

    It occurs to me that a lovely sweetener for a potential vendor would be 25% of the asking price cunningly disguised as returned transferees monies.

    Ashleys frontal assault on fortress Rangers has had too many repercussions for big Mike’s taste. Perhaps he is trying a more subtle approach ?

  • 127 mad-serb // Jan 20, 2016 at 12:31 PM

    Anyone know exactly how the rules for the Home grown players work? I read reports it will increase to 12 HG players by 2020. This is obviously the main reason why there is such inflated prices on these players and it will only increase in the next 4 years.

    had a look at our squad what we subitted at the start of the season.

    Vurnon Anita Gael Bigirimana (HGP) Papiss Cisse Jack Colback (HGP) Fabricio Coloccini
    Karl Darlow (HGP) Siem de Jong Paul Dummett (HGP) Rob Elliot (HGP) Curtis Good
    Yoan Gouffran Massadio Haidara Daryl Janmaat Sylvain Marveaux Tim Krul (HGP)
    Jamaal Lascelles (HGP) Gabriel Obertan Ayoze Perez Emmanuel Riviere Moussa Sissoko
    Steven Taylor (HGP) Florian Thauvin Cheick Tiote Georginio Wijnaldum Mike Williamson (HGP)

    Under-21 players
    Rolando Aarons, Dan Barlaser, Alex Gilliead, Kevin Mbabu, Chancel Mbemba, Aleksandar Mitrovi?,, Callum Roberts, Lubo Satka, Ivan Toney, Macaulay Gillesphey, Tom Heardman, Liam Smith, Jamie Sterry

    Mitrovic is 21 now so does he have to be included in the 25 man squad now at the end of the transfer window or only next season?

    Secondly i do not think we had a change of transfer stragety I believe we are ensuring he have the required number of HG players in our squad. We submitted a list of 8, of which Gael Bigirimana is on loan for rest of the season, and he is replaced with Shelvey. If we want to sell Williams he needs to be replaced which is why we probably trying to add an english winger.

    And if my understanding is correct next season we need 9 so if Berahino would give us 9 if we let taylor go in the summer.

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