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Relegation Remains Probable After Yet Another Defeat

5:33 pm, Saturday, January 23rd, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 57 Comments

Newcastle lost their 12th game in 23 league games today at Watford and remain in really deep trouble in the Premier League in 3rd bottom place.

But once again it was a day when Newcastle continued to miss their chances, and if this continues then we will become a Championship club in May – after only just avoiding relegation last May.

jamaal lascelles score watford

Jamaal Lascelles pulls one back for Newcastle

And that came on a day when Charlie Austin made his debut for Southampton after 79 minutes at Old Trafford and eight minutes later he got the foul on the right wing and then headed in the resulting cross for the winner after 87 minutes.

He’s already repaid some of that £4M and we could have done with Charlie’s finishing today.

Goals from Odion Ighalo a minute into the second half – a goal that looked offside – and Craig Cathcart after 58 minutes were enough to put Watford in firm control of this game.

That came after a closely fought first half where  Newcastle played some nice looking football.

And it took a defender – Jamaal Lascelles – to show the Newcastle forwards how to score a goal – when he headed in after 71 minutes, but we couldn’t get a second to level the scores and get something out of this game.

Every game like this when we manage somehow to lose – sends us that much closer to becoming a Championship club in May.

And Watford had lost their last four league games, but it didn’t stop the newly promoted side from picking up their third win this season against Newcastle.

And Steve McClaren may be right – when he says the relegation battle will go down to the wire – we assume that means to the very last game of the season.


What did we do to deserve this?

It’s all too depressing.

Next up is a game at Everton and since we will be expected to lose that one – we may even do well.

And if we are relegated we cannot complain too much we suppose, because we had enough chances to have won this game – but again we found a way to lose it.

Results are what matters these days when you are in the relegation zone – and although the display was decent enough in the first half – that doesn’t mean too much with the result being another terrible one.

Inconsistency will be the main reason we will go down – if that happens – and after two good performances – here is a game where 71% of fans though we could win it – and that’s always dangerous with this Newcastle side.

We were expected to win it and we lose it.

How many times has that happened this season?

And Steve McClaren may not be safe either if he cannot put a string of wins together soon.

If Newcastle are relegated it’s down of course to the woeful upper management of the club – and the lack of continuous investment in the squad, when we have been trying to just get by and managing the club on a shoestring.

It may be that Newcastle just waited too long to bring in all the reinforcements that we have done at the cost of around £70M since last summer.

This is the fourth successive away defeat for the Magpies since we beat Spurs 2-1 at White Hart Lane and we remain in 18th place – but Aston Villa, Bournemouth and Sunderland all picked up a point on us today.

21 points after 23 games is exactly where we were three years ago when we signed Five Frenchmen – and we survived that season, but it looks like this season it may take up to 40 points to be safe,

That’s another reason relegation is a real possibility for Newcastle after yet another defeat.

We have lost 52% of our league games this season.


Watford: Gomes; Paredes (Nyom, 88), Britos, Cathcart, Ake; Capoue, Watson; Behrami, Deeney (Amrabat, 90), Jurado (Almen Abdi, 77); Ighalo. Subs not used: Prodl, Anya, Guedioura.

Newcastle: Elliot; Lascelles, Coloccini (Riviere, 88), Mbemba; Janmaat, Saivet (Perez, 59), Shelvey, Aarons (Gouffran, 59); Sissoko, Wijnaldum; Mitroivc. Subs not used: Darlow, Taylor, Marveaux, Thauvin.

Goals: Ighalo 46, Cathcart 58, Lascelles 71
Bookings: Mbemba 51, Behrami 56, Britos 68
Referee: Andre Marriner (West Midlands)
Attendance: 20,611

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57 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Tsunki // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:36 PM

    Ashley Out!

  • 2 chewbaccy // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:36 PM

    none of the above

  • 3 Tsunki // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:37 PM

    Well I posted this before the game

    72Tsunki // Jan 23, 2016 at 1:29 PM

    We will have to see who does turn up today, it’s reality time because as usual we are favoured by the form book and everybody knows what that means, we usually gift wrap the season to some unfortunate stragglers, usually the mackems. At least it looks like the end for our dithering midfield personnel thankfully. it’s a good place to start, despite calls for defenders falling on deaf ears as per usual. Shelvey to get in on the act with assists or a goal today. If Wijnaldum has his on switch activated and mitrovic feels like breaking his streak we could get a good morale booster today. Could.

    it’s prudent to avoid being over optimistic with this setup.

  • 4 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:38 PM

    Having to go 3 at the back was what killed us but its the clubs fault for only having one left back in Haidara who is injured

    Dummett a centre half then has to cover and when he gets injured Colback a centre mid has to go there and then guess what he gets injured !!

    Should have had a left back the second the window opened !!

    The season has been a disaster we looked good against West Ham but 1 injury and we are all over the place

    Also Mclaren takes far too long to change things in games no point bringing Riviere on with 2 mins to go should have happened with 10 or 15 minutes give the guy a chance !!

    The difference today was Flores much better manager and made adjustments at half time which got his team the lead

  • 5 Jail for Ashley // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:38 PM

    It’s funny how Ed complains about the woeful upper management but went all out to side with them over the protests last year that forced them to change a couple of things.

  • 6 Toon Tang // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:38 PM

    Over 70% got it badly wrong eh

  • 7 89Norcal // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:40 PM

    he’s not a midfielder but I hope Gini can start scoring goals away from home. We always look our best when he’s on the scoresheet

  • 8 89Norcal // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:40 PM

    not a striker i mean***

  • 9 toon kk // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:41 PM

    I would vote for Saylor but haven’t got that option, he put the most effort in.
    How can there be a poll when every player was so poor, the travelling fans should get there money back out of the players wages.

  • 10 Toon Tang // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:42 PM

    I didn’t watch the game but voted lascelles simply for the goal. Why? Because I can..

  • 11 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:43 PM

    I’m at work today do haven’t seen the game. But Watford are shit. If we can’t beat them, what chance have we got?

    How did Saivet do? He looked poor last week; a mile off the pace anyway. I got short shrift for saying it. And Aarons. I’ve been warning about his unreadiness when others have been raving about him. How did he do?

    I won’t ask about Colo because if you love him you’ll say he was great and vice versa. I’ll check out the goals on MOTD and make my own judgment.

  • 12 West Lancs Geordie // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:43 PM

    Things can only get better!

    Can’t they?

  • 13 89Norcal // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:43 PM

    I missed the game and voted Colocinni as a joke, but he’s 2nd in the voting…lol

  • 14 WWSBRD // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:43 PM

    We have lost 3 times to recently promoted Watford this season…let that sink in for a minute


  • 15 chewbaccy // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:46 PM

    Not a thing to comment about today, apart from what a fcuking disgrace.

  • 16 NoahJ // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:47 PM

    before everyone starts panicking, we couldn’t have asked for much better results elsewhere (the damage, therefore, is limited). If swansea lose tomorrow (strong likelihood), then we’re not that worse off than yesterday.

    also, we are guaranteed to be in the relegation zone by transfer deadline day; one would think this would spring Ashley into evasive action once more.

    Thoughts on the match:

    1. the formation completely starved our creative players (sissoko, wiji in particular was dreadful); mitrovic looked like a lost lamb up front by himself. only after the change in formation did we actually do anything (lo and behold, we scored)

    2. we looked so sluggish, and I’m worried that mclaren has played the same players practically every match (including the festive games). He needs to take some part of the blame for that

    3. was good to see aarons back. he looked grossly unfit, but he showed some glimpses of skill

    4. jonjo was lost today. and saivet, completely ineffective (I will give him time though)

    5. the watford time wasting was borderline embarrasing

  • 17 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:49 PM


    Aarons wasn’t bad defensively but was fairly ineffective going forward cant really remember a decent cross he seems to have lost a fair few yards of pace since his injuries could seriously have done with a loan move but I think because of injuries will need to play left back against Everton next unless we sign a full back!!

    Saviet offered the same as Tiote won some tackles but is limited on the ball him and Shelvey looked a bit lost in the 352 as did Wijnaldum

    On the plus side Lascalles looked pretty good one slack pass in the first half aside was dominant in the air and scored and he defended well!

  • 18 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:51 PM

    We haven’t got time to give players. We can’t be schooling Saivet or anyone else on the demands of the EPL. Gross mismanagement.

  • 19 toon kk // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:52 PM

    Maybe other results went our way but our result went there way also and it’s another game gone with no points

  • 20 Blackley and Brownlie // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:53 PM

    I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Lascelles so far. He never gets a good word on here.

  • 21 WWSBRD // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:53 PM

    Should we not be panicking like? We go down I don’t think we are coming up for a few years

  • 22 Jail for Ashley // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:54 PM

    Saviet needs to be bedded in as Tiotes replacement not thrown in at the deep end. When will they fcukin learn.

  • 23 NoahJ // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:54 PM


    I agree, and this is why I said elsewhere that selling tiote (i.e. an experienced, bullish player) for only £4m is completely stupid.

    I only mean I will give saivet time generally, not as a starter (would much rather sissoko was moved centrally, etc.). if saivet doesn’t start owning games, then he needs to be dropped.

  • 24 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:54 PM

    If we don’t sign a goalscorer then we are DOOOOOOMED.
    Sorry Mitrotit not the answer got- pace of a slug always on his heels yatrd and a half off the pace sorry 5 yards off the pace. brain to feet takes a age- how many balls did we put into the box and where was he 5 yards behind

  • 25 hibbitt // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:55 PM

    Toon Tang sorry mate 87 % got it wrong…… we all know what we need but can any one in the club see the problems no they just stick there head in the sand …..time is running out in the window and the season …….nice goal by charlie austin today i dont think we were even in for him

  • 26 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:56 PM


    Yeah whenever I have seen Lascalles I think he has done well dont know why he gets such a bad word ! Hes a beast in the air and is quite pacy !

    We are running out of games though was a great chance to peg Norwich and Bournemouth back today !

  • 27 West Lancs Geordie // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:56 PM

    Look we’ve got the following injured:
    Krul, Haidara,Dummett, Anita, Colback, Cisse, Williamson, Obertan, De Jong, Mbabu,Toney, Tiote (in China) & Aarons & Saylor who have not played for yonks.
    In addition we have Riviere, Marvaux, Thauvin & Gouffran who we are looking to rid of.
    That’s 18 players who were not figuring in McLaren’s plans today.How do you plan anything from that?
    We have to prune the squad to bring players in but who wants these wastrels even for free? Big Problem

  • 28 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:57 PM

    @West Lancs

    Out of that list there is still only one recognised left back in Haidara and he got injured ages ago !!

    The club have known for years some of these players are not good enough and never done anything about it and its too late now !!

  • 29 toon kk // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:59 PM

    West lanks
    Prooves we’re a poorly run club, with a terrible scouting system

  • 30 NoahJ // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:59 PM

    @19 and 21

    Panic does nothing going forward. there is time to get out of this mess, but it may take 4 games before we can feel comfortable.

    I just feel we have the best squad than anyone around us, we play all of our ‘rivals’ at home (apart from norwich); there are 45 points left to play for.

    I totally know what you mean, it’s frustrating, classic newcastle (play well against the big teams yet completely don’t turn up against the small teams), but I believe we can manouvre our way out of this. it will just take time (and investment in the next week)

  • 31 West Lancs Geordie // Jan 23, 2016 at 5:59 PM

    JFA 23 He had no f…ing choice today because of my previous post. He hasn’t got options. We’ve a team in the sick bay!!!!!!!!
    Not making an excuse for him but it’s fact.

  • 32 Munster Mag // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:00 PM

    Well so much for my assertion that saivet wud be fine! I keep referring tk the fact that guys are obsessed with formations here as they try to show their game unsderstanding. Many praised smc for his line up at the start . Counts for little if the players dont apply themselves.

  • 33 West Lancs Geordie // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:01 PM

    LCBP I know I Know I’ve been banging on about it all day.
    NUFC Top people will you please f…ing listen to us before it’s too late!

  • 34 Munster Mag // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:02 PM

    Next thought …surely we have to sack smc if we barely scrape survival?

  • 35 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:03 PM

    @West Lancs Geordie

    Should just bring Ferguson back who is on loan at least he can play full back not great but better than shoe horning someone who has never played left back and is just coming back from a long term injury !

  • 36 terencelim // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:03 PM

    The owner is the cause of all problems in the club. We all know that except his ass lickers.

  • 37 Munster Mag // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:04 PM

    Noah sissoko cant play central midfield. He cant tackle and he cant pass so no point moving him there

  • 38 lochinvar // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:04 PM

    How do we sign players to get us out of the mire when they see how deep we are in it ?
    Or for that matter Who will sign ? – unless Ashley allows them an escape clause from the Championship.

    Or is the biggest betting scam in recent years about to kick in and we win loads of points in next games ?

  • 39 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:05 PM

    We have injuries granted, but good players. It’s just that we have poor management all around.

  • 40 Ron Knee // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:05 PM


    Percy was untouchable. Why should it be different for McClaren?

  • 41 Jail for Ashley // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:06 PM

    W Lancs,
    I’m not blaming Mclaren for that, you know who my anger is aimed at.

  • 42 Toon Tang // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:08 PM

    Hibbitt, indeed mate, I didn’t count the draw. Have we ever won an ‘easy’ game after a win over a good side? I would love to see the stat. I don’t think it’s ever been done

  • 43 manxpie // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:08 PM

    tbf its pretty hard to get consistency when we have injuries weekly!
    if we had a settled team each week i could see us having a chance as we have played well in games but this constant having to change is really costing us!

  • 44 brklyngeordie // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:08 PM

    few things i wanted to talk about:

    Yes i like Aaronns and think he needs to play when healthy but was today the right day to throw him out there idk and if a certain Thauvin would have done we he did today would hate to think of the stick he would have got really need to build his confidence he may still have a part to play i sure would put him in before Gouffran or Riviere just me..

    Never would have messed with the Colo Mbemba partnership either..

    Really must say again and again Sissoko sucks and pisses me off way more then he pleases if the Napoli money is on table please take it just look at what he is doing on 2nd goal in the box absolutely nothing with no effort this man is all about self cant wait for the day he is moved on

  • 45 TikiTakaAcca // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:08 PM

    Mitrovic offers so much going forward and most of our play comes from him. (His chance he won the flick on from the goal kick initially).

    His finish today wasn’t bad, and people need to stop giving him stick.

    Sissoko has 0 goals this season, where are the pitchforks for him?

    The set-up was all wrong today & Aarons should be nowhere near the team.
    We’ll get back to the team at West Ham next game hopefully & try to put it right.

  • 46 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:08 PM

    It almost felt like the amount of effort put in against West Ham the team decided they would stop working as hard we hardly closed them down at all

  • 47 AlwaysTOON // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:09 PM

    Do you think we’ll make it another season?
    I think we’ll scamble 20 point until may. Hopefully Swansea can keep that poor form.

  • 48 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:10 PM

    Evening Ron…it isn’t mate 🙁

  • 49 Jail for Ashley // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:10 PM

    I dunno what Perez done to get dropped in place of Aarons surely their places should have been the other way round today.

  • 50 calvinzolamakongo // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:11 PM

    Poor formation from the start Aaron’s is not a wing back any criticism would be harsh we changed to 4 at the back with 15/20 mins left and used the wings more and looked better as nothing was coming from down the wings before that ….saivet was ok but it quite week got pushed over by capoue to east for the first goal but others played as poor as everyone else sissoko and janmaat once again tried to attack all game but with no end product and this is the first game mitrovic actually frustrated me seemed he didn’t really try rarely challenged in the air and keeps doing his usual 3/4 stupid flicks a game on the counter

  • 51 goommy // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM

    “Yeah, we did well last game so we will change to 3-5-2 this game. And Ayoze, I know you did very well so I will sit you out on bench ok? Oh almost forgot you Mbabu lad. You shut out Hazard on Chelsea game and we short of LB so you will not on team today :)”

    Fxxk you Mcclaren!!

    ..Ok I’m done. Let’s fight together and avoid relegation. HWTL!! (And please don’t do shit like this again Mr.Mcclaren. This is not funny ok?)

  • 52 Jail for Ashley // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM

    This is the most unusual PL season in its history. Maybe we’ll be the first team to stay up on thirty points !

  • 53 mfw13 // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:15 PM

    It’s pretty hard to win matches when you can’t keep the ball out of your own net.

    We’re conceding roughly two goals a game on average….yet there hasn’t even been a hint of signing better defenders during the January transfer window.

    We don’t need a winger like Townsend, we need better defenders…

  • 54 greg // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:18 PM

    Hi Ed, we didnt miss any chance. We didnt get any clear cut chance. We just play a lot of long ball and hope we have some luck with them. Why we need townsend ? We need someone 2meters tall.
    Sack McC and give the budget to the new manager !

  • 55 AncientC // Jan 23, 2016 at 6:19 PM

    Saivet had a 55% pass completion, the worst on the pitch out of both sides.

  • 56 TroubledToon // Jan 23, 2016 at 7:27 PM

    Was watching Sam Byram today vs City.. Lad looks really good. Very confident on the ball. Yet another one we’ve missed out on… Rot in hell Carr!!! Retire already and fcuk off!!

  • 57 NoahJ // Jan 23, 2016 at 7:52 PM


    In his sky sports interview, mclaren say saivet was “terrific” today.

    This, to me, epitomises how out of touch mclaren is with the game. Saivet was possibly our worst player today (and that’s saying something, given that mitrovic was stood still for about 80% of the game, aarons looked around 30% fit, and wiji barely touched the ball)

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