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Manager Likely Reflecting On Ebullient Comments To Press

8:24 am, Thursday, February 4th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 107 Comments

Steve McClaren tried to find out what went wrong last night at Goodison Park when we were looking forward to watching an improved Newcastle side take on a side that hadn´t won in the league since Everton beat us 1-0 at St. James´ Park.

But what we got was a shocker, where to use words Steve McClaren likes to use – we must have taken five steps back with last night´s disastrous performance.

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Ross Barkley after scoring penalty

McClaren thinks too many players were below par last night:

“Too many players were below par.” “We can’t play like that in front of 52,000 fans on Saturday, we need a reaction, we have to do better than that.”

“In the first half you could see that the Everton players and supporters were nervous, we didn’t take advantage of that, we weren’t aggressive enough.”

“In the second half we had a go but it wasn’t enough.” “The second goal was decisive.” “Scoring the second goal made it a different game and allowed us to control things.”

Maybe we should have expected something like this happening because in Steve´s press conference for the game seemed far too upbeat, insisting repeatedly the Newcastle Board, of which he is a member,  had done really great in the January transfer window.

He also said we had a squad good enough to survive in the Premier League this season and there was never excuse for being relegated.

Here´s a reminder of what he said:

“I don’t think there has ever been an excuse for being relegated. ‘I didn’t expect any before, and I definitely don’t expect any now.”

“I’m delighted with what we brought in. The squad is a lot stronger than what it was at the beginning of the month.”

“I think we said from the outset in the summer that’s what we wanted. We wanted to take this club forward, and that will only progress through investment.

‘Really, it’s just the beginning, it’s not the end.’ ‘I think Berahino would have been a bonus.”

“The Board, when we got together and discussed it, it was ambitious, it was out there making a statement and I think it would have been a bonus if it had come off.”

“I think we have done great business. If you said we would have signed the likes of Townsend and Shelvey, two top quality young players, England internationals, by the end of the window.

We would have said you were crazy in the beginning.”

Steve may be reflecting on those words after what happened last night at Goodison Park.

With the position Newcastle are in most Boards would be in crisis management mode on how to correct an ever worsening situation.

But don´t expect much to happen from this Board anytime soon – they have caused a lot of the problems.

That´s unless the owner steps in with some decisions to try to save the club  from relegation, which is looking more and more likely as we continue to lose games.

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107 responses so far ↓

  • 1 archaeomag // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:26 AM

    “We can’t play …” that about sums it

  • 2 c-dog // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:28 AM

    No pace in attack. Unbalanced squad with players bereft of consistent quality. Nobody who runs in behind. Tactics non-existent. What do Townsend and Saivet bring?

  • 3 posada // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:29 AM

    In two games against Everton SM has not had a clue how to deal with them tactically.
    Sick of hearing he is a good coach. What about managing, motivating and tactics.
    An intelligent man who has spent his entire life in football should be able to coach. Managing is a different thing altogether.

  • 4 banjax // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:30 AM

    Time for another manager !

  • 5 Shot Bru // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:34 AM

    Seriously Wally…you and the boys club are the crazy fools!!!

    You gotta wonder why Shelvey has never really made it anywhere he’s been!

    Spurs can’t believe their luck they scooped 12 million for Andross!

    24 million for both players… Wally is not only outclassed by his Head coaching peers during game time…but is outclassed identifying players in the transfer market.

  • 6 catchy in norway // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:35 AM

    absalutly disgusted in Mac last night, he set the team up to lose the game, it seemed like the players were lost in what they where asked to do. i feel so sorry for Rob last night,, he was our only player to come out of last nights game..

    lascelles is a jole of a player,,

    Rolando is not a LB, he proved that in our last match,, but lets put him there.

    Everton were not that good last night, but we just let them do what they wanted

  • 7 Jail for Ashley // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:35 AM

    Judge me after 10 games ! If ever a saying was going to come back and haunt someone, when are they going to act, last night was the first game for him to get his players to issue a statement of intent, even if we’d have lost playing well it might have seemed like there was hope. When we bought the five that January we played out of our skins and beat Chelsea after going in front and then behind. They just did not turn up last night, they need to get rid and quick smart. I do not give a fcuk thaty we played well for 35 minutes against W Ham or a first half against M City, we need results now and a manager who can get them.

  • 8 ToonMatt // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:36 AM

    The blame still lies with Mike Ashley? McClaren was never good enough to manage the club and should never have been given the job, Same can be said of Charnley? He’s way over his head and was only given the job because he was cheap, Ashley looks like an even bigger fool now, Spending that amount of money on players while having these two in charge, If Ashley wants all this TV money next season he needs to sack them both before it’s too late and get someone who is proven and capable, It’s up to Ashley now.

  • 9 Jail for Ashley // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:39 AM

    I was just about to mentoin you.
    Despite what catchy in Norway says about this exciting football Schteve is trying to play the fact is that the amount of times we have been absolutely bysmal under him far outweighs those minutes of each game wher we have played well, he has basically brought his diabolical form from Derby with him. I very rarely excuse Ashley from any blame and he definitely is responsible for a lot o it but there has been 80M worth of players added to a squad the hapless Pardew had in eighth atone stage last season.

  • 10 catchy in norway // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:41 AM


    will answer later,

  • 11 Jail for Ashley // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:41 AM

    Works key boards are past their sell by date!

  • 12 Laurent Robert 32 // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:42 AM

    With two defenders injured, it shows that the CB and LB positions should have been filled in the window. It was glaring before, even without these two who are now out of action.

  • 13 Fabricio - out of position - Coloccini // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:43 AM

    Although I never thought we’d win yesterday I at least hoped the team would show some positive play during 90+ min.

    If Ashley is to make it as Newcastle owner he has to remove Charnley, Carr and McClaren. Then he needs to hire proper people with knowledge and experience to run this club. This is not Notts County!

    Money must be spent in the right areas, including the head coach position. I think it’s too late this time though. We have an incredible naive HC.

    Our CB captain is pathetic in any way. He has no presence… He gets bullied out of position, gets beat in the air and almost every player in the league is faster than him. In other words – he needs to out smart the opponent in every situastion, but he doesn’t. This is also the man McClaren wants to motivate and whip the other 10 guys out there. That alone deserves a relegation!

    I’m gonna take a break from Newcastle for a few days just to recover as a human being. Reading Newsnow and this blog is depressing as I see no end to the misery.

  • 14 Jail for Ashley // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:46 AM

    This is not Notts county. So fcukin true

  • 15 The next Mike Williamson // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:58 AM

    I think Wally meant judge me on ten games into NEXT season!!! or the one after maybe.

    Even with 80m he’s not doing much better than Carver, who actually did have injuries to first team players and an awful squad.

  • 16 Tsunki // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:58 AM

    Did everyone think we could just buy a few players and turn up as a majestic and close knit Unit? Ha ha ha

    Does everyone think that a this rests on the shoulders of the scout, the coach or the MD? Ha ha ha ha ha.

    Step forward Mr Ashley and behold! This is what you’ve done to our club, and you actually thought you could hire football misfits on the cheap and an office boy to run a premier league football team? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

    Remember whose door you said it all comes to? If anyone thinks he is anything other than a commercial plunderer for SD they are deluding themselves.

  • 17 Shot Bru // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:59 AM

    Jal for Ashley

    So you’re excusing Ashley for appointing McLaren and giving him 80 million of our cash to spend!

  • 18 TheToonKing // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:59 AM

    It’s probably too late for a new manger now.

    We just have to hope that a combination of this sorry coaching staff , half a team worth of players who don’t care and a couple of teams being worse then us, can just about keep us up.

    not looking good though.

  • 19 Tsunki // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:00 AM

    I’m sick of hearing about Old Man Carr or the Incompetent Charnley or Bungling Steve. it’s all one man’s fault.

    Ashley Out!

  • 20 Tsunki // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:00 AM

    Having said that, I think Steve might still cobble a team to just drag us out. Just

  • 21 Jail for Ashley // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:03 AM

    Ashley made a statement of intent by hiring McLaren. Unfortunately it wasn’t the type of intent we would have liked. It was a supposedly safe pair of hand that would see us nicely mid table, a manager that would not have to be sacked for not reaching targets, a manager who would not spit his dummy. To get that type of manager we had to rely on a sacked Championship one who was desperate for a job and just loves talking to the press, this losing mentality that he has brought with him seems to have manifested and bred with the existing one and we now have a hybrid super losing mentality in the dressing room.

  • 22 Jail for Ashley // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:05 AM

    Shot Bru,
    Not at all, he appoints all his lickspittle minions and is no way excused from any blame but he has put up 80M pounds and a lot of blame has to go to the manager.

  • 23 Fabricio - out of position - Coloccini // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:06 AM

    Jail for Ashley@21

    100% correct!

  • 24 Jail for Ashley // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:06 AM

    Norwich away and mackems at home are unbelievably high pressure games, just thesort that we have ipoded under recently,. We need a new manager and get rid of ha ugly cnut Charnley!

  • 25 goalseeker // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:08 AM

    Well, we were really shown up as a bunch of no-hopers last night. Instead of trying to create a situation where players were making a statement we got a post-it note. Who to blame? It lies at one persons door McClaren he set the team up to lose. Players play as they are told to play in the belief that the coach has studied the opposition knows their weaknesses and plays on them. They were nervous and their defence suspect so what did we do. We put a small attacker on his own, even if he is skilful and keen against two of the largest defenders in the league. We played without passion and too soon in the first half had decided that things were not working so just go through the motions. I lost count of the times a pass either went to a Toffee or our player stood with the ball and they came and said thank you and took the ball away. Ashley must bear some of the blame but he put Charnley in charge, big mistake but you only find that out afterwards and we all experts looking back and saying what should not have been done. The players have to turn up on Saturday and play at 100% for 90 minutes I do not care if McClaren sits back with a smug smile if we win winning is what it is all about. Every game is now a cup final if we are to escape and unlike some, I do not want to be relegated it would do us no good at all, schoolboys think otherwise and want the worst to happen out of spite and just to show them. It is no good crying for Jose to come in and rescue us he didn’t seem to be able to lift Cheslki when they were playing badly and unless he can spend millions without a thought his coaching must come into doubt. There are some very skilful coaches in the league who have a hunger for success that is where we should look and stop looking for names. We did that a while ago with players and got nowhere. It is up to the supporters to prove their worth by shouting the ball into the WBA net nothing stirs better than fanatical support. When looking at a new HC we need to look not just at the person, but their staff and the way they develop players we need a Raneiri type of coach.

  • 26 jimmysmith // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:09 AM

    McC dreadful as his record clearly is, probably does deserve the season, as most anyone would. And Ashley is loyal to his key employees, so long as they remain loyal to him, so he will be persevered with I suppose.

    Another thing is the squad has now changed dramatically, twice, in a short time and coming from a place of absolutely no momentum in the first place, and that is difficult to turn around.

    He’s looking a poor choice, but if we go down, our fate was very probably sealed by the lack of strengthening in the previous two seasons, and so despite spending 80 in the last two windows Ashley will still ultimately be to blame, along with those yes men who allowed him to have his way, Carr and Charnley, where at least Pardew had the character to quit, presumably in protest.

  • 27 The overrated Frenchman // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:14 AM

    Tsunski@16 – think what you are saying is pretty much spot on. Ashley hasn’t shown the intellect to realise that a PL football club can’t be run as just another arm of his tawdry business empire. I guess you have to say he has business smarts to some degree to make the money he has, but ultimately his lack of any real intelligence has found him out with this enterprise.

  • 28 magscar // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:18 AM


    Ashley out haha – you and I know full well that he isn’t going until he is ready.

    The others’ destiny’s aren’t in their hands but Ashley’s. He won’t wield the axe on Charnly or Carr as yet as that won’t influence our relegation fight (might next season’s however).

    His only card now is to get in a manager that can manage the imbalanced squad we have, defensive frailties included.

    I will be surprised if we lose badly on Saturday if Ashley isn’t at club (or on phone if otherwise engaged) banging some heads together. Yes the buck stops with him but that means other heads will roll not his and it must be McClaren who is mounting the stairs to the block.

  • 29 toon kk // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:21 AM

    Those who think Mash will sack Macca think again, his job is very secure.

    Macca’s tactics were terrible last night, I couldn’t believe how/why he set up with Perez as a lone striker. We’re desperately need goals ffs and our striker’s were on the bench.

    As for our players they need to hold there heeds in shame, disgraceful lacklustre performance. You can see why we’re in the bottom three.

  • 30 anthc // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:21 AM

    Surprised he hasn’t put it on the fans toes yet for Saturday, “we need the fans and atmosphere against West brom”. Even if we stay up and it’s a big if, Steve needs to go imo. 80 million and we still can’t put a performance in. It’s no good playing well and losing as this league is ruthless. Ugly grinding wins are what we need to get some points on the board asap.

  • 31 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:28 AM

    Tsunki…if we were sit down and find away through this and make sure it won’t happen again under new ownership, how are we suppose to do that if the only thing you’ll throw in the basket is “Ashley out”?

    How do one use that constructive and how do we get forward? That is actually what some of us are trying to work out. It doesn’t mean we don’t acknowledge Ashley is ultimately to blame just to simplify the matter.

  • 32 toon kk // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:29 AM

    We have a very lazy squad that are capable of so much more but our work ethic is shocking. Yes our team has weaknesses but so do most but they work harder to compensate.

  • 33 surreytoon // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM


  • 34 toon kk // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:34 AM

    We look a weak unfit side with no power and give up far too easily. There needs to be some stronger discipline within the club.

  • 35 ayecanny // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:35 AM

    Talking about the actually game/ players rather than just slagging steveee off.

    Wijnaldum – why is he so bad away from home? so you think that tactics or he is just rubbish people away from st james’.

    Sissoko – the man is so inconsistent – when he perform we normally win. I can’t think of any champions league team that he would get in.

    Shelvey – Had a shocker couldn’t pass a ball.

    Townsend – looked like he hadn’t played in the prem for over a year……..

    Perez – can’t play as a lone striker

    Mitrovic – did what mitrovic does, holds the ball up well and that it.

    The defence….. why are we so bad at defending?!?!

    its worrying times lads, the joy of supporting Newcastle.. upbeat after the man u game, back to miserable after the Watford game, a few transfers upbeat again then miserable after that shambles last night.

  • 36 The next Mike Williamson // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:35 AM

    Our chance of getting a good manager is slim. Charnley and Ashley’s knowledge doesn’t stretch beyond the premier league which only leaves Rodgers & Moyes who probably won’t join a team facing relegation. And Carr only knows France which means Galtier. But France is poorer than the Championship once you get outside the top 3 or 4 and Galtier is a defensive manager who will not be popular.

  • 37 BandB // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:37 AM

    Dear Mike,

    Sorry I missed your call. How do we get out of this, you ask?
    Well, I did tell you the main problem is that we haven’t been blaming the fans enough.
    A call to get behind the team this week will start a civil war. Divide and conquer, old boy.
    Remember, 90 per cent of those people who are moaning this morning thought you were the bees knees yesterday.
    They will revert like sheep to their default position of backing you to the hilt and calling people who don’t neggers. They haven’t the brains they were born with.
    Never fear. I’ll get the shills out in force and we’ll soon be flying up the table in their eyes, even if, of course, we aren’t.”


  • 38 reilly // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:39 AM

    we need a manager in who is going to put his boot reet up these lazy players arses.
    stick with mccalren and we will go down.

  • 39 magscar // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:40 AM


    Too right. Am I the only one who finds posters laughing at the state our club is in unhelpful.

    We need a sense of humour especially to get us through the bad times but this sniggering is unhelpful

  • 40 B1GSTEVE // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:42 AM

    Everyones mentioning 80 mill, when its only about 76, and 14 of that isnt at the clubat the moment (thauvin), who replaced 12 million cabella anyway.
    How long ago was it chaenley in his one and only interview with press said something like, we didnt buy a central defender this last window because he’ll be cheaper in the next one.
    Defenders seem to be a low priority at this club, most managers sort out the defense first, become hard to beat, then develop the attacking side as results improve.
    It actually cost us about 8 mill to keep collo in the summer ( 2 yrs wages and a couple of million palace would have paid for him)

  • 41 magscar // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:43 AM

    Oh and sarcasm dressed up as insight pleasures only a few and helps no one

  • 42 posada // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:43 AM

    Played well against West Ham.
    4 2 3 1.
    Then we change completely. OK some of that is due to players being injured, but I don’t think we have the ability to change from game to game.
    Wini only has one position for me and that is behind a striker in an advanced role.
    He simply is not a midfield player in any way as many on here believe.

  • 43 richyg01 // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:46 AM

    I would much rather see a young lad given a chance in his own position than us play another player out of position.

    Aarons is no left back, nor will he ever be. We know that and Everton knew that.

    All these fans calling for Mclaren’s head, I don’t really understand where we would go from here, who would come in in his place – seriously??

  • 44 TikiTakaAcca // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:47 AM

    There was one thing that stood out so much last night & something the team did not have.


    Yes, he’s stupid sometimes and silly and will make a mistake on the ball, but he’s steel in the midfield. You NEED a player like him in the team to run into people, show them we’re there & get a foot on the ball and try to keep it. Slow the game down.

    The best example is Arsenal.
    They crumble without playing a defensive midfielder who can put himself around.


    Yes, he missed another good chance, BUT we only started to create chances when he was on the pitch.
    *He actually won the original flick on from a long ball before his missed the chance*.

    He’s another person who needs to be in the team, especially away from home. He gets us up the pitch and keeps hold of the ball 9.5/10 times.


    Our team is worse now than it was before January.
    I like Shelvey, but after yesterday, the doubts come back in my mind.

    Townsend has always been useless, so there’s none of the ‘Give him time’. He was bad at Tottenham and will be bad for us.
    Saivet is also useless.
    Constantly just nowhere to be seen and the midfield was just bypassed with a single ball.
    When you used to be a winger & now play CM halfway through your career you know you’re bad.


    He’s not good.
    He’s just not good.
    He can’t beat a man to save his life & he’s so lightweight he can’t even run round people they just hold him off.
    Feel sorry for him playing LB, but even in attacking options he was so bad.

  • 45 BandB // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:50 AM


    I’m intrigued by your reasoning.
    You state bluntly that targeting Ashley won’t work.
    You may be right.
    Last night you argued that Ashley wouldn’t sack McClaren.
    You may be right.
    You say Ashley will intervene.
    In what way? You have cut the options down somewhat.
    I can see you being right all the time. But I still can’t see what action it is you are suggesting.

    And mascara….I knew you’d be first in with the “blame the fans” routine. I myself am not laughing, and find this blog nervous breakdown a bit sad.

  • 46 richyg01 // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:51 AM

    Never fear lads, Gary Neville will be available soon, he will get us out of this hole!

  • 47 magscar // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:52 AM

    The questions posters are posing about players away from home can I believe only be addressed by McClaren and the coaches who prepare the side and set it up each week.

    I said last night that other managers would get different from these players. We are clearly not getting the best out of each individual which isn’t simply down to their abilities.

  • 48 reilly // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:54 AM

    Gary Neville great pundit.
    Alan Shearer great footballer.
    Steve Mcclaren great coach.
    all piss poor managers.

  • 49 magscar // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:55 AM


    Glad I didn’t disappoint. Still doesn’t make sarcasm as insightful as you think. Did my post to Tsunki stir you then haha

  • 50 magscar // Feb 4, 2016 at 9:57 AM


    It is often quoted that those who can do and others talk about it ( or some such). Never more apposite than talking about football managers.

  • 51 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:00 AM

    Reellllleeeegaaaattiooooooonnnnnnnnnnn 😀

  • 52 Goofy // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:01 AM

    I didn’t expect the win last night, the record speaks for it’s selve. Everton’s not having a great season but are always hard to beat at Goodison, it didn’t help that we didn’t turn up and if we scored they probably would’ve went straight down the park and scored again.

    We have played great against the big teams and not shown up against the so called smaller teams, that needs to change now, not that we stop trying against the bigger teams, need to stop patting ourselves on the back for a good performance with another defeat.

    I’m not going to judge Townsend on that one game, he was definitely thrown in at the deep end. I hope Shelvey realises how crap he was. Pointing more than Williamson. I don’t think he won one clean tackle and seemed slow and heavy footed. Wini looks like he’s floating when he’s on form, Shelvey looks like he’s wading through mud, we need the form he showed in his first game.

    Sissoko and Janmaat were crowded out every time they had the ball, good tactics from Martinez.

    Mclaren should’ve changed the formation once we went one down. Perez was basically an extra midfielder having to come half way back into his own half to get the ball. If he had a partner upfront to hold up and lay it off he definitely would’ve had more chances. Why can’t Mclaren see that. We basically played a 4-6 formation. If he has two strikers, hard man and nimble guy they can still hrlp out the mid when we don’t have the ball, it would just be better when we are on the attack. I think we should have two strikers on the park every game until the end of the season.

  • 53 BandB // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:01 AM


    If you read the blog before, during and after the match, you’ll see that my input wasn’t as, of course, you will want to portray it.
    I don’t swing from ecstasy to recrimination.
    We lost a loseable game. Our position isn’t suddenly significantly worse, and I predicted yesterday that the feel good bubble would burst if we lost to Everton, which has proved insightful, has it not?

    I posted what I did @37 knowing what you’d be about this week…blaming the clubs’ ills on Tsunki and I.
    Don’t worry, It’ll work.

  • 54 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:05 AM

    You beat me to it. Ed says,

    “This is not what was supposed to happen as we had just finished a good January transfer window with four good players coming in – and the fans had got some of their enthusiasm back for the club.”

    It’s one game. The new lads need to time settle in and most managers would need time to figure out the right blend, but especially a head coach who has someone else’s choices of player foisted on him. I cautioned the other day that the players would need time to gel, time we can’t spare.

    So many people criticising Charnley, Carr and Ashley, yet those same people were happy and upbeat just 24 hours ago. Ed is calling for the manager’s head. Even Carver is not forgotten. Why can’t he and everyone else stick to their opinions for more than a day. As you’ve said, if we win on Saturday, it will all flip again. Their conviction in bashing everyone from Ashley down loses all credibility.

  • 55 posada // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:07 AM

    On Saivet.
    An observation. Just watched some of the game again.
    This player is another Carr Dud.
    Has no ability to defend. Barkley played a pass early in second half then made a run.
    Saivet, who was closest to him made no effort at all to track the run. In fact he did nothing.
    Just stood watching.
    That’s no sort of footballer.

  • 56 optimistic prime // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:13 AM

    There were some lack lustre performances to say the least but last night was down to Mclaren for me.

    The biggest mistake was Perez up front, any fool with 2 eyes would know he’s incapable of playing there alone.

    Gini has to play 10 otherwise we end up playing with 10.

    Mclaren seems a decent enough coach but he’s tactically naive and he seems unable to stamp his authority on the squad, again he looks to have favourites.

    If Ashley won’t get rid I think he needs to get Steeve a No2 with some tactical nous. Steeve needs to drop colo, if not from the team at least as captain.

    Do we have one player who can ruffle a few feathers, get amongst them and stand up as a leader? If there is he needs to stand up and be counted soon!

    Ashley out!

  • 57 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:14 AM

    It seems like a host of bloggers are wise before the event and then when it doesn’t turn out well, they’re wise after the event too. When it all goes Alex Song, they forget their soaring optimism from the day before (34% expected a win) and blame the owner, Charnley and Carr, who they think should know more than themselves about how to achieve footballing success.

  • 58 AndySco // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:14 AM

    I’d like to see us appoint Rodgers, he would use our secondment in the championship to install a style of play that we saw him do with Swansea. Would also love to see Armstrong lead us to the top of the championship as well! Not that I’ve given up on us surviving the drop this year…

  • 59 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:17 AM

    BandB…I don’t offer a quick fix or one solution to all problems!

    I just offer another route than the one others including you have been offering.

  • 60 optimistic prime // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:18 AM


    I love your condescending BS

  • 61 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:19 AM

    And I would openly and gladly talk about how we can move forward. Are our goals even the same or is the goal for some simply just to remove Ashley?

    …what comes after that?

  • 62 magscar // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:20 AM


    No I blame the clubs ills firstly on Ashley then his appointments. The solutions stem from him as well but he ain’t going. I offered a reasoned opinion on where we could go now if one accepts that fact.

    I posted last night that I wasn’t surprised to lose ( couldn’t understand where scores like 1-3 were coming from!!) but it was the manner of it that deeply concerned me then and still this morning after reflection as lessons are just not being learned and we are running out of road. The occasional good performance followed by rubbish just can’t go on if we are to scrape through.

    I was OK with transfer business but like most hoped for more but the squad we have surely should be doing better perhaps not top 8 but certainly not bottom 3.

    I am also sad and fearful at our position and can’t believe some find comfort in gloating or delight in seemingly being right. I am desperate to avoid relegation and if that is achieved by sacrificing McClaren then so be it – he was never my choice.

    I have suffered relegation as a fan too many times to glibly talk of it being a chance to put things right. It is the twilight zone and to be endured not enjoyed even when at top of Championship.

    I don’t mind the sparring but there are times when I think the club comes first and sincerely wish we all on here could find some common ground.

    Nice to have some dialogue after being sent to Coventry after recent run in with you know who 🙂

    Anyway have to go to Doc’s might be back on later

  • 63 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:22 AM

    Only 33% of the bloggers who voted were predicting a loss. I think less than 10% of us voted we were unhappy with the window. But now it’s all the owner’s fault. And based on what? One game? You couldn’t make it up. Flaky fans.

  • 64 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:24 AM

    It may be condescending but it’s true.

  • 65 BandB // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:25 AM


    My hope is a club that punches its weight. And not with that sneaky pound-for-pound caveat that’s inappropriate and insulting to a club of such comparative wealth.
    Anyone who believes Charnley is a man of iron will calling all the shots has never met Charnley.
    So then, how does Ashley “intervene”, as you’ve stated?

  • 66 VanToonMan // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:27 AM

    I think Mac is a good coach – he certainly has been able to improve our style of football when playing at home – which is why I think he would be a good assistant coach.

    What he is not however, is a good tactician, team selector based on the game and man motivator – hence why he is not a good manager.

    He would be a decent assistant coach to someone like SBR for example.

    Which is why we need a new manager – question is who? Harry (at the risk of getting abuse from you guys) is a good man motivator or at least he used to be – I think he would definitely get the best out of Sissoko, Townsend, Wiji, Perez, Mitro, Shelvey – however my one doubt is last year he went into QPR and couldn’t save them – albeit different squad of players (aging and overdone)

    But who else is there for the short term run in?

  • 67 VanToonMan // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:28 AM

    I think Brendan should take over in the summer – but for the short term run in we need someone who will inspire and motivate the players to play out of their skin.

  • 68 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:29 AM

    BandB…seeing as owns the club I would most on here will agree should he have to then he’ll take affair.

    …he just rarely have a reason to do so. Are you of the opinion that appoint at this club cannot fart without asking Ashley? If so do you believe that’s by design?

  • 69 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:30 AM

    *as he owns (Ashley)

  • 70 Lindisfarne // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:33 AM

    Up until the penalties we looked like we were in with a chance of an equaliser last night. Everton have a more experienced team that have been playing together for a season and a half. Where as we were fractured in our approach and play.

    I suggested a front two with Perez and Gini before the game, in order to combat their very strong midfield, but for a number of reasons it did not work. The high pressing and lack of experienced DMs left the defence exposed. The lack of an out ball meant the ball was too often given away in the middle. The players were generally having an off match, as nothing they were trying was going right and a lack of cohesion meant that individuals got exposed.

    Arguments can be put forward about individual players, but the unholy mess on display last night needs to be put right by the man responsible. At the moment he is failing as a manager and with the few resources available to him he needs to quickly work out how to stop conceding goals as a priority. Selecting players on a basis of the teams need rather than individual reputation. The slate was not rubbed completely clean at the beginning of the season and the opportunity to play for NUFC has not been earned but granted for political reasons.

  • 71 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:33 AM

    I’ll just try in English 😉

    BandB…seeing as he owns the club I would imagine as most on here will agree, should he have to intervene then he’ll take affair.

    …he just rarely have a reason to do so. Are you of the opinion that those appointed at this club cannot fart without asking Ashley? If so do you believe that’s by design?

  • 72 posada // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:38 AM

    Just looked through our squad.
    Not a single player in a squad of 40 who could play LB.

    Perhaps Colback. But we need him in midfield. He gets missed reviews on here but is a midfield player.
    Saivet is not. Cannot even do the basics.

  • 73 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:50 AM

    posada…both Colback and Anita can LB if needed. Mbabu has played there as well. I agree we need someone who’s a natural LB and accomplished.

    True, Colback does get mixed reviews, but someone did post on here that Sunderland supporters seemed to be of the impression that his best position was at LB.

    I don’t rate him that much in midfield, but that’s just my opinion.

  • 74 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM

    Last night we missed Colback or Anita or Tiote in the defensive midfield role had to many offensive midfielders who do not do the dirty work tackling breaking up play and giving the simply ball – mind you nobody on the team wanted the ball last night.

  • 75 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 4, 2016 at 10:56 AM

    Hahaha…this one just made my day 😀

  • 76 Jib // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:03 AM

    Yesterdays game highlighted the difference between Allardyce (the escape artist and saviour of clubs in trouble) and other normal managers (McClaren included).

    Fat Sam is relentless in pursuit of what is needed and operates totally pragmatically the rest don’t.

    What was needed last night was a recognition that a point would have been a great result .

    The team should have been chosen with no thought at all for entertainment for the public and with one view in mind , not conceding goals and frustrating the hell out of the opposition.

    McLaren with his selection of Perez up front and midfield formation , sort of tipped his hat in the direction of that kind of play but as a coach his pride and background make him figuratively hold his nose at it and we looked totally unconvincing.

    Of course as soon as Lennon rather fortuitously nicked Everton’s 22nd minute goal , that plan went out of the window and the necessity of getting back into the game contributed to all that followed , weird substitutions and penalties etc.

    B and B knows the folk on this blog much better than me and called it totally correctly.
    The pendulum swing of mood is quite alarming to the uninitiated.It puts me in mind of R P McMurphy (Jack Nicholson) in One flew over the Cuckoos nest when he walks into the ward an sees the inmates in all their glory.
    I shall resist the urge to call B and B , nurse Ratched , she doesn’t deserve that .

  • 77 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:06 AM

    Graham Carr has undoubtedly supplied the lead footballing input in the choice of Carver and Makro. 43 played, 8 wins, 25 losses. All of us could get a better return at pin the tail on the donkey.

  • 78 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:06 AM

    Funny you should mention”One flew over the Cuckoos nest” Jeff 😉

  • 79 archaeomag // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:06 AM

    At some point when you look at the performance of the teams that came up this year with modest squads that SM is under performing.

    What is strange is that we have played some of the best football I have seen us play for years – for the odd half an hour – then it all falls apart.

    I think the manager is lacking in confidence.

  • 80 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:10 AM

    Can a 3 ‘0 loss be excluded from our goal difference under your reasoning?

  • 81 toontaff2 // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:12 AM

    Jonjo, there’s this Dutch fella down at Swansea, taking the p.
    Wijni – bench for away games.
    Captain Collo – no one would let you near their wife or wants curly hair anymore.
    Perez – you were shocking, again! Forget Barcelona!
    Sissoko – Champions’ League-more like Championship!
    Time for home truths – pampered prima donnas!

  • 82 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:14 AM

    I hope we survive. But I’d like to see the arrogant Charnley, the man who knows best, who doesn’t want to revisit the mistakes of the past at fan forums, sweat till the last kick of the ball on the last day of the season.

  • 83 magscar // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:24 AM


    it was also my view that we were in it (thanks Elliot) until the penalties but if we had equalised ( Mitro?) wouldn’t it have simply papered over the cracks again ( Bournemouth and Spurs away anyone?).

    We have deserved better in several games this season but just haven’t managed a result and I was also cursing our luck. Yet how many times is McClaren going to repeat his mantra about good performances before he does something drastic and dropping Perez or Mitro isn’t the only answer.

    Ashley says we will make our own luck and we have to start doing so. From here on in the only one who can do something is the Manager by setting up differently, dropping out of form or non-performers etc. That is now either McClaren or A N other. I am rapidly losing confidence in McClaren being equipped to do so because he never seems to learn after abject performances. I appreciate that press conferences are for the usual PR guff as with any manager but behind the scenes you would expect a far different message. Either that isn’t the case or no one is listening.

    For those who accuse some of swinging I won’t be surprised if we do pull off a result on Saturday ( will be well pleased in fact) but that alone simply won’t do and we need a more consistent display week in week out whoever we play – over to you Steve.

  • 84 Jib // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:26 AM

    Last nights score was certainly no aberration.
    You could see it coming from miles away

  • 85 posada // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:33 AM

    Jesper Lemon Crew
    Anita and Mbabu could play LB true, but I think they are both injured.
    In the modern game we seem to play without wingers. It’s the fullback more often than not that puts in the cross.
    That makes the fullback position critical and more of a specialist role. We sold Simpson because we thought he could not do that in the final third.
    We have no cover for Janmaat or at LB.
    As soon as you start making do with a centre half there or someone right footed on the left the team has no balance. You can bet the opposition will latch onto that.

  • 86 magscar // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:33 AM


    Don’t disagree with most of what you say but McClaren is little more than a pragmatist – just not a good one. Most of his time at Boro he played so-so football and even in their Europa cup run was often lucky his desperate changes brought about an unexpected result.
    There were no tears when he left for England although as is often the case their fans didn’t realise what was round the corner. Good to see them back up if they finally manage it.

  • 87 Jib // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:33 AM

    Jesper smiles for his audience – Mr Tuff is on the far left

  • 88 SuperShearer // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:34 AM

    Very simple: win at the weekend or sack McClaren and get in Mourhino till the end of the season or Moyes on a two year contract.

  • 89 posada // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:34 AM

    The Clowns that call themselves a board have been panicked into action.
    Sadly they could not change the fact that they are Clowns.

  • 90 BandB // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:41 AM

    We have steadily been allowed to drift deep into the gravity field of a black hole and we are being sucked in.
    It was never going to be a case of turning on the financial after-burners and powering to safety with a few signings, even if McClaren knows what to do with them.
    I saw him at Middlesbrough, and said at the start of the season he’d fit what he considered his best 11 players into what he considers his best formation and stubbornly wait and hope for it to gel.
    He was still talking up this gelling process last night.

    The mood will swing again if we win on Saturday. But the truth is neither a win nor a loss is going to change much in what is likely to be a slog up to May.
    A lot of teams are either 10 points clear of us, or within shouting distance of it, and closing with safety.
    At the moment we still have backward velocity. No-one is going to enjoy the ride for a while.

  • 91 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:45 AM

    posada…I totally agree with you mate

    The fullbacks are essential to how the modern game of football should be played. Fullbacks are not just defenders anymore and wingers are more crucial central upfront to crowed the box. DM are just as much defenders and so and so…

    It’s no longer a game of defense, midfield and forwards, it’s more a game of the space between.

  • 92 magscar // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:46 AM


    Your assessment of McClaren at Boro is right but the twist is that many managers follow that formula even those as far apart as Pardew and KK . I believe it was simply that formula that ultimately cost us the title 20 years ago – but what a ride!!! and oh for more of that

  • 93 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:48 AM

    Jeff…go home!

  • 94 Wayayman // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:50 AM

    Morning lads n lasses. Last night was like a bad dream.

    I’ve been sitting here thinking about the midfield last night. At times there was a mahooosive gap between Saivet playing in Dm and Shelvey supposedly playing just ahead of him. Shelvey looked like he was in the no.10 role most of the first half which left Gini looking lost and was totally ineffective.
    Now, forget the fact that we had new lads playing together for the first time, Everton having a point to prove etc etc, in my mind there is no excuse for lack of focus and discipline. In the central midfield areas you need players who will do the dirty work without an ego. I actually thought Saivet was decent last night, he might have let a runner or two go but he can be forgiven as he made a lot of great interceptions and tackles and put his foot in as we’d expect him to. Saivet could be a great player for us in that position but we can’t expect him to do all of the MF work alone. With Gini missing and Sissoko totally bottling tackles yet again, it must be a very tough position to play, especially against a good Everton midfield.

    Hopefully last night Jonjo learned from Barry how to play in his position.

  • 95 Jib // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:52 AM

    I think we’ll be on 39 points when we play our last game at home v Man City who could be chasing the title !

    36 were enough for survival last season but not this methinks.

  • 96 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:53 AM

    The time to act was at the end of last season. A root and branch top to bottom purge starting with Lee “cup o’ char” Charnley.

    I cannot believe so many were saying midfield is our problem. Sort it out and our defence will prove it’s worth. 3-0 and none of Colo’s embarrassing errors cost us a goal. Never mind Lukaku, who was leaving him trailing in his wake, even Kone was blowing him over. Embarrassing. He needs his cut as well.

  • 97 Wayayman // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:54 AM

    Posada I totally agree on the fullback comment. How infuriating that McClaren played a young inexperienced left sided attacker just back from a long term injury in LB for the 2nd half and had another left sided attacker switch to the right and the right footed midfielder go to the left when Mitro came on!?!
    Talks about playing to peoples strengths, it makes me wonder how much Schteve really trusts his players.

  • 98 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:54 AM


  • 99 Rotonda heights // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:54 AM

    Players out of position, too negative, odd team selections and formations, strange subs, no plan B, hardly any shots on goal, defensively weak. All sound familiar?

    We have been plagued with the likes of SA, AP, and SM for far far too long. Look where those 3 teams currently stand in the table under these poor mediocre managers (12th, 18th and 19th.)

    If Ash was in any way likeable you’d almost feel sorry for someone who doesn’t know football and blindly handed over 80M to SM, Carr and Charnley to play and gamble away with.

    No CB or LB in sight. 13M on Mitro, 12M on Thauvin, 12m on Cabella, 6M on De Jong, 12M on Shelvey (one good half so far) 12M on Townsend….hmmm…….

    Not to mention the appalling amount of deadwood (Marv, Goofy, Obi, Rivi, Haidara, saylor etc)

    Wijni and M’Bemba yes, but just 2 successes of an awfully flawed regime.

    Where do we go from here? Even if we miraculously survive if Carr and Charnley are still in situ come May, even Ash’s loyalty to those 2 and previous inadequates must surely get tested at some point.

  • 100 Wayayman // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:57 AM

    Blackley @96 if you seriously think our midfield last night wasnt the problem then you to watch the game again. Defending is tough when you have no one in front of you doing anything to stop 6 or 7 opposition players trying to score against you.

  • 101 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 4, 2016 at 11:57 AM

    It all hangs on Doumbia.

  • 102 BandB // Feb 4, 2016 at 12:01 PM



    The last possible ace in our hand.

  • 103 clinath@ed // Feb 4, 2016 at 12:05 PM

    To me, it is becoming more and more apparent that SM is unable to motivate these players. Before anyone says they shouldn’t need motivating, we are talking about young men in their mid 20s, most of whom are millionaires and could stop playing now and still be well off for the rest of their lives. Of course they need motivating.

  • 104 Rotonda heights // Feb 4, 2016 at 12:07 PM


    Not sure I’d go near mourinho at the minute. He got a good squad near the relegation places this season. Jose is high maintenance and I don’t think he could do a lot with this group.

    And please not Moyes. Moyes is actually the type of manger we should give a wide berth to. Failed pretty dismally in his last 2 jobs and we don’t need any more defensive long ball (Fellaini) managers and my god haven’t we had enough dour miserable scotsmen in charge of us (souness, dalglish, steve clarke briefly.)

    The guy cathro was at valencia with before Neville and the recent Chile manger Sampauli would be decent shouts.

  • 105 TroubledToon // Feb 4, 2016 at 12:33 PM

    Is Nigel Pearson available? I know he’s not the best tactically, but at least he’d grab our shite players by their throats (literally)
    Cmon Macca.. It’s time to demand a performance. Enough of petting em on the back and saying”u played well. Tough luck “

  • 106 magscar // Feb 4, 2016 at 1:58 PM


    Agree with your analysis of the midfield shambles last night and it will be interesting to see what happens when Colback Anita and even Tiote are available. Perez’s lack of clear understanding of and suitability for his role last night also didn’t help but I don’t blame him for that.

    Your summing up goes to the heart of what concerns me about McClaren’s setting up and instructions to his players and his reaction to what he sees being played out right in front of him. His subs although partly forced seemed poorly thought through and whilst probably were not part of his original game plan should have been more cohesive.

    Visit to Doc’s complete but off elsewhere now.

  • 107 stripes1009 // Feb 4, 2016 at 8:52 PM

    There is a guy who could save us and l think the majority would love it to happen. It won’t but he has the know-how and the charisma to turn this very good set of players into a very good team……..unfortunately the owner lost a court case against him so l guess he would be very reluctant to give him a go. I think if KK was in charge of this set of players, we would see the football we want. Ok so it ain’t gonna happen because of past events but if the Owner could offer the ‘olive’ branch…..who knows…….Mr. Ashley, life is too short to bare grudges……KK and Newcastle United…..the perfect marriage……as a 67 year old, who bleeds black and white, to eat a little ‘humble-pie’ could reap great rewards!…..l don’t think you would regret it Mike!!!!

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