Thauvin Unlikely To Return To Newcastle – Here’s Why


Florian Thauvin has recently told the French press why he left Newcastle’s fight against relegation after only six months at the club and returned to the comforts of playing his football back at Marseille in the south of France.

But the reason he brings up is an odd one – and he says it was because he was not getting first team football on Tyneside.

But it was widely reported that Steve McClaren did not want him to leave the Tyneside club at such an awkward time – and that the head coach had promised him playing time – albeit from the subs bench.

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Florian Thauvin – back to France away from the battle

Here’s what Florian has said in the French press about his reasons for returning to the less physical and mental demands of the French League:

“It is true that I did not expect to return so soon, especially as early, six months later.”

“But I had the opportunity, I had a lack of playing time so I thought it was a very good thing for me.”

“It’s a pleasure to return to Marseille. Everyone knows my attachment to Marseille, I have never hidden that.”

“I am anyway very happy to be here to live this second adventure.”

If the reason is really that he wants playing time then he is unlikely to get it at Newcastle next season either,  especially since we have signed another winger – England International Andros Townsend – who has quickly started to look the part on Tyneside.

The fact that Florian left the club in the middle of a tough season for us also has to cast some doubt on his character and also on his mental strength.

While he may return in the summer we’d be very surprised if that happens.

And if he does come back it is unlikely he will stay too long unless he is determined to make a success of things in England.

It doesn’t look like that to us.

It seems like Florian is like Remy Cabella and Emmanuel Riviere – they are just not cut out for the physically demanding Premier League – where pressure on players is so much greater than in France.

And when they return to France and do well – like Ben Arfa has famously done this season at Nice to his credit by the way – the press brings it up as though it’s something that Newcastle are now missing.

But the truth is it’s much more difficult to play well in the Premier League than it is in the French League – much harder – because there are better players playing in England – where the big big money is.

Maybe we are simply being too hard on Florian – that’s a possibility – but we’d be very surprised if he ever returns to Newcastle.

A better bet is that he gets a loan spell somewhere next season – maybe at Marseille – as Newcastle figure out how to claw back some of that £13M we spent on him last summer.

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  • catchy in norway

    Feb 11, 2016 at 9:35 AM

    Comment #1

    4catchy in norway // Feb 11, 2016 at 9:30 AM

    Under CH we had leaders all over the pitch, that were signed by Ashley.
    Under Pardew we got rid of all the leaders that would challenge him.

    Under Shteve , we are now getting leaders back.

    P45 had more influence than people might think, maybe not in who they were replaced with, but definitely on who he wanted to keep, anyone who was a fan favourite was gone.

    Steven Taylor is the biggest puppet at the club right now, every manager we have had, he comes out and says how much he loves playing for them, some of the interviews he gave about joke in ear were cringe worthy

    5catchy in norway // Feb 11, 2016 at 9:33 AM

    http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/8781338/newcastle-defender-steven-taylor-backs-joe-kinnear-as-director-of-football

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  • Wayayman

    Feb 11, 2016 at 9:36 AM

    Comment #2

    A bit harsh putting Riviere with the other two, Ed. At least Rivi always has given 100% for us when he’s played. It’s just that sometimes a player isnt good enough for the league we’re in. I like Rivi and think he will do a decent job for someone who plays him in his natural position. He’s never been an out and out striker, more like a second striker who assists more than scores.

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  • Tsunki

    Feb 11, 2016 at 9:38 AM

    Comment #3

    Funny I thought it was because he was rubbish.

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  • Tsunki

    Feb 11, 2016 at 9:40 AM

    Comment #4

    Riviere has not played a bad game as far as I know. His shooting is comical, granted, but he’s a strong lad, holds the ball and passes well. I thought he just needed more playing time to be a decent squad player.

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  • Tsunki

    Feb 11, 2016 at 9:44 AM

    Comment #5

    I think Eds right about his mental composure, his head was never in it, he looked for all the world like someone making the best out of an agents’ convoluted back-slapping deal that was made ages beforehand.

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  • Tsunki

    Feb 11, 2016 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #6

    Catchy – that’s probably why we have held on to a crock like him for so long? Although marveaux hasn’t been very vocal. Maybe keeping your gob shut is also a highly prized characteristic in a player according to Mike.

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  • WWSBRD

    Feb 11, 2016 at 9:53 AM

    Comment #7

    McClaren said we would be top 10 and have a cup run and that we should judge him after 10 games not saying he’s a liar but I wouldn’t trust him saying Thuavin was going to get game time

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  • Tsunki

    Feb 11, 2016 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #8

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35546090

    For all those that say fan protest does nothing

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  • Tsunki

    Feb 11, 2016 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #9

    Check out Pulis’ comments and the last couple of paragraphs.

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  • jayphoto

    Feb 11, 2016 at 10:06 AM

    Comment #10

    My bet is Thauvin will definitely return, probably replacing sissoko in the summer who probably needs a move himself now. Makes sense for him going on loan as hes not strong enough and hasn’t adapted so wouldn’t play enough. Reckon the club will have put him on a certain training to slightly bulk and they’ll fancy with a full preseason with Newcastle he can live up to his price tag.

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  • jayphoto

    Feb 11, 2016 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #11

    Tsunki – ive long said Riviere has attributes. At A..S.S.E and toulouse he played wide in a front 3. At monaco he played number 10 behind falcao.
    At newcastle under pardew/carver they played him as a target man…. Its really not his natural game. His teamwork and work rate suit supplying a clinical finisher but his own finishing is pretty poor

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  • Rotonda heights

    Feb 11, 2016 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #12

    Thauvin is another huge black mark against Carr.
    For a club who allegedly vets players’ characters we’ve signed some doozies.

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  • AncientC

    Feb 11, 2016 at 10:33 AM

    Comment #13

    Some posters have taken a swing at Carr claiming £24 million has been wasted on Cabella and Thauvin, which is completely false.

    First off, the Cabella price was overstated at the time, with the fee around 8 million – the club got 6 million back for him, plus a season of football out of his career. A season in which Cabella was in the top 3 players in the league for creating chances, for the first half of that season. So, around a £2 million loss, less the value of services.

    The club could lose £6 to £8 million on Thauvin, grim, granted, but how much will the club get for Sissoko in the summer – more than the losses made on Thauvin and Cabella, with a hefty surplus left over.

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  • AncientC

    Feb 11, 2016 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #14

    Riviere in physical terms had taken to the Premier League like a duck to water, not sure where the alternative claim came from.

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  • manxpie

    Feb 11, 2016 at 10:44 AM

    Comment #15

    Catchy rewriting history there aren’t you?
    There was only 1 person who wanted Barton and Nolan out and you know who that was? and it wasn’t pardew
    Have a look at the Barton video on youtube he tells ya all ya need to know

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  • Rotonda heights

    Feb 11, 2016 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #16

    AP love in alert.

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  • Toon-Prodigy

    Feb 11, 2016 at 10:47 AM

    Comment #17

    I think he is home sick and probably missing that mint lass he has. His head has never looked right to me since he arrived. He has been lacking on the pitch.

    I think Ed is right, his mental strength should be questioned.

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  • JAMSHA

    Feb 11, 2016 at 10:52 AM

    Comment #18

    we dnt need thuvin, overrated as iv said b4 we signd him

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  • JAMSHA

    Feb 11, 2016 at 10:54 AM

    Comment #19

    Tsunki // Feb 11, 2016 at 10:01 AM

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35546090

    For all those that say fan protest does nothing

    Well it doesnt nothing for US..coz our fans are so loyal 1 win an they think of finishing in tp 5

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  • Mag52

    Feb 11, 2016 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #20

    AP hate alert.

    Unnecessary criticism of Saylor by a Norwegian rewriter of history. A leader on the pitch, leading by example irrespective of who the manager is.

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  • Tsunki

    Feb 11, 2016 at 11:09 AM

    Comment #21

    Alert alert. 🙂

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  • magscar

    Feb 11, 2016 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #22

    Little bit easier to reverse a decision not yet implemented which was universally panned outside of L’pool.

    Seem to recall the extensive SOS Save Our Seats campaign against Freddie Shepherd’s unwelcome manipulation of fans seatse which I joined in and contributed to but failed miserably. Perhaps L’pool fans are just better organised than us or it was an easy victory to concede.

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  • magscar

    Feb 11, 2016 at 11:40 AM

    Comment #23

    AncientC@13

    Such positive spin some might say a little bit of Bishop.

    Basically you win some you lose some on transfers – problem is the losses on recent buys are seemingly beginning to mount.

    When was last profit Cabaye 2 years ago? From those more likely to be sold in Summer we will probably take further hits e.g. Riviere Goufran Marveaux Obertan. Cisse and Tiote can be excepted on basis we have had some good service from them

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  • AncientC

    Feb 11, 2016 at 11:47 AM

    Comment #24

    Magscar, where is the spin? If could point it out, I would be greatful.

    The club isn’t taking a hit on the players you mentioned, due to the club having a negative net spend on players until the summer just past.

    “Basically you win some you lose some on transfers”.

    I agree, which isn’t the story being portrayed by some.

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  • AncientC

    Feb 11, 2016 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #25

    If you want spin, try “Carr is the DOF” or “Carr decides which players to sign from his scout list”.

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  • toontaff2

    Feb 11, 2016 at 11:52 AM

    Comment #26

    Jimmy Johnson has a fine looking lass, but went out chasing a schoolgirl – BFS has stated that as a paedo he will certainly find it hard to fit in and he cannot send him to train with the youth.
    I remember as a 17 year old in the forces 1 of the Corporals told me he had lost his Welsh accent due to being embarrassed by plebs like me! With all the talk of multiple ID’s on this blog, I must point out I am not the moan-free alter ego of the other sheep rustler on here and do have a sense of humour!

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  • AncientC

    Feb 11, 2016 at 11:57 AM

    Comment #27

    “we will probably take further hits e.g. Riviere Goufran Marveaux Obertan. Cisse and Tiote”

    Riviere – 4 million, you couldn’t buy a good championship striker for that
    Marveaux – free, waste of wages though. Another budget signing.
    Cisse – nearly a goal in two games striker, got what was paid for him.
    Gouffran – nominal fee, has helped the club survive.
    Obertan – 3.5 million, budget player, budget quality.
    Title – 4 million, worth the money, the club could have cashed in big time earlier. The club may still get their money back on him.

    Who set the budget for those players, and how much is the real loss?

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  • magscar

    Feb 11, 2016 at 11:57 AM

    Comment #28

    AncientC

    My spin would be Carr isn’t learning from past mistakes as to which French players can hack it in PL. Forget the mantra about budgets these players shouldn’t have been on his list especially Thauvin at price.

    As I remind our lass a bargain isn’t a bargain if all it does is sit in a cupboard or drawer unwrapped and unused.

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  • toontaff2

    Feb 11, 2016 at 11:58 AM

    Comment #29

    Leighton James was a great Welsh player, despite his unwashed connections, but why is he going on so negatively about Johnjo? If he really thinks Shelvey was so poor Swansea got lucky with 12 million- maybe they are just bitter because he was worth more and all they are doing is giving him more reason to show them- I hope so.

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  • AncientC

    Feb 11, 2016 at 12:01 PM

    Comment #30

    Magscar, are you forgetting about the 3 other players signed in the summer?

    The club could have had Thauvin for 2/3 million if they pushed for his signature when Carr was first scouting him.

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  • magscar

    Feb 11, 2016 at 12:05 PM

    Comment #31

    AncientC

    I have excluded Cisse and Tiote if you notice. My point is simple we keep ending up with players who can’t hack it in PL and who other PL clubs don’t want. No matter what the budget is Carr has been around the block enough to know what type of player is likely to function in PL- yet he keeps getting it wrong.

    Are you saying he is happy to just make up the numbers on his list on basis “the price is right” regardless of the likelihood they won’t make it – and then wash his hands of it as a simply not my problem.

    His star is on the wane.

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  • cyprus

    Feb 11, 2016 at 12:09 PM

    Comment #32

    Thauvin cabella two costly mistakes in a row.

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  • cyprus

    Feb 11, 2016 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #33

    Ed,
    I don’t know that lacazette but is it just between him and berahino? The lad looks trouble man, not fit either. I mean for 20 million I’d expect the very best, with no quirks.

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  • magscar

    Feb 11, 2016 at 12:13 PM

    Comment #34

    AncientC@30

    So Thauvin would have been a cheaper waste of money ( by the way I did have hopes for him after Northampton game I was at but he can’t hack it it seems).

    What we pay isn’t always the measure. If a player isn’t fit for purpose (likely to be at/ reach PL standard) it doesn’t matter what we paid except for loss is bigger the more you fork out and wages paid.

    On Thauvin at £14M (?) surely you are looking at a player expected to hit the ground running and feature regularly?

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  • AncientC

    Feb 11, 2016 at 12:15 PM

    Comment #35

    magscar – Do you suppose Carr decided that the club should move for Thuavin over Payet? He was scouting them both, why do you think he opted for Thauvin.

    Is it possible that it wasn’t Carr’s decision, and the club completely ignored Payet because of age; moving for Thauvin because of potential sell on value? If so, who has put in place the age barriers in regards to player recruitment, Carr?

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  • giimps

    Feb 11, 2016 at 12:17 PM

    Comment #36

    Leighton was probably not taking into acct Jonjo is English and therefore doubling his value, not sure he is worth 23.5m at the minute but if he keeps playing well, starts to get fitter and Schteve sorts his away tactics out….he may just be by the end of next season when we’re winning the league like Leicester ………………….lol

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  • nightfa11

    Feb 11, 2016 at 12:19 PM

    Comment #37

    I still think thauvin is better than townsend.. We spent the most money on wingers yet we still dont have a good one.. Zero goals, few assists.. Thats all they came up with..

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  • cyprus

    Feb 11, 2016 at 12:21 PM

    Comment #38

    AC
    Not sure why you are defending those transfers. In fact with the kind of money we have spent we should be top 8. Unless the coaches are truly that bad.
    In assessing cost you should also consider opportunity cost. Who could ve come in with that money instead of Thauvin.

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  • martoon

    Feb 11, 2016 at 12:22 PM

    Comment #39

    Thauvin and Cabella probably were mistakes but no club get’s it right all the time – every premiership club probably has it’s own version of Thauvin. Even SAF at Manure bought a few lemons over the years.

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  • AncientC

    Feb 11, 2016 at 12:22 PM

    Comment #40

    magscar “My point is simple we keep ending up with players who can’t hack it in PL and who other PL clubs don’t want.”

    Valid point, but that is what happens when the recruitment budget for the majority of players is anywhere from zero to £4 million. Not many Premier League clubs would be run in such a way, certainly none with anymore ambition than basic survival.

    There must be 100s if not 1000s of scouts, working all over Europe looking for players, working within the same budget restraints as Carr. There are also the bigger clubs who get first pick and snap up all of the best raw talent.

    Given that ‘Carr and his French Flops’ have kept this club in the Premier League without a net spend until last summer, is nothing short of miraculous.

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