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Thauvin Unlikely To Return To Newcastle – Here’s Why

9:31 am, Thursday, February 11th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 89 Comments

Florian Thauvin has recently told the French press why he left Newcastle’s fight against relegation after only six months at the club and returned to the comforts of playing his football back at Marseille in the south of France.

But the reason he brings up is an odd one – and he says it was because he was not getting first team football on Tyneside.

But it was widely reported that Steve McClaren did not want him to leave the Tyneside club at such an awkward time – and that the head coach had promised him playing time – albeit from the subs bench.


Florian Thauvin – back to France away from the battle

Here’s what Florian has said in the French press about his reasons for returning to the less physical and mental demands of the French League:

“It is true that I did not expect to return so soon, especially as early, six months later.”

“But I had the opportunity, I had a lack of playing time so I thought it was a very good thing for me.”

“It’s a pleasure to return to Marseille. Everyone knows my attachment to Marseille, I have never hidden that.”

“I am anyway very happy to be here to live this second adventure.”

If the reason is really that he wants playing time then he is unlikely to get it at Newcastle next season either,  especially since we have signed another winger – England International Andros Townsend – who has quickly started to look the part on Tyneside.

The fact that Florian left the club in the middle of a tough season for us also has to cast some doubt on his character and also on his mental strength.

While he may return in the summer we’d be very surprised if that happens.

And if he does come back it is unlikely he will stay too long unless he is determined to make a success of things in England.

It doesn’t look like that to us.

It seems like Florian is like Remy Cabella and Emmanuel Riviere – they are just not cut out for the physically demanding Premier League – where pressure on players is so much greater than in France.

And when they return to France and do well – like Ben Arfa has famously done this season at Nice to his credit by the way – the press brings it up as though it’s something that Newcastle are now missing.

But the truth is it’s much more difficult to play well in the Premier League than it is in the French League – much harder – because there are better players playing in England – where the big big money is.

Maybe we are simply being too hard on Florian – that’s a possibility – but we’d be very surprised if he ever returns to Newcastle.

A better bet is that he gets a loan spell somewhere next season – maybe at Marseille – as Newcastle figure out how to claw back some of that £13M we spent on him last summer.

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89 responses so far ↓

  • 1 catchy in norway // Feb 11, 2016 at 9:35 AM

    4catchy in norway // Feb 11, 2016 at 9:30 AM

    Under CH we had leaders all over the pitch, that were signed by Ashley.
    Under Pardew we got rid of all the leaders that would challenge him.

    Under Shteve , we are now getting leaders back.

    P45 had more influence than people might think, maybe not in who they were replaced with, but definitely on who he wanted to keep, anyone who was a fan favourite was gone.

    Steven Taylor is the biggest puppet at the club right now, every manager we have had, he comes out and says how much he loves playing for them, some of the interviews he gave about joke in ear were cringe worthy

    5catchy in norway // Feb 11, 2016 at 9:33 AM

  • 2 Wayayman // Feb 11, 2016 at 9:36 AM

    A bit harsh putting Riviere with the other two, Ed. At least Rivi always has given 100% for us when he’s played. It’s just that sometimes a player isnt good enough for the league we’re in. I like Rivi and think he will do a decent job for someone who plays him in his natural position. He’s never been an out and out striker, more like a second striker who assists more than scores.

  • 3 Tsunki // Feb 11, 2016 at 9:38 AM

    Funny I thought it was because he was rubbish.

  • 4 Tsunki // Feb 11, 2016 at 9:40 AM

    Riviere has not played a bad game as far as I know. His shooting is comical, granted, but he’s a strong lad, holds the ball and passes well. I thought he just needed more playing time to be a decent squad player.

  • 5 Tsunki // Feb 11, 2016 at 9:44 AM

    I think Eds right about his mental composure, his head was never in it, he looked for all the world like someone making the best out of an agents’ convoluted back-slapping deal that was made ages beforehand.

  • 6 Tsunki // Feb 11, 2016 at 9:46 AM

    Catchy – that’s probably why we have held on to a crock like him for so long? Although marveaux hasn’t been very vocal. Maybe keeping your gob shut is also a highly prized characteristic in a player according to Mike.

  • 7 WWSBRD // Feb 11, 2016 at 9:53 AM

    McClaren said we would be top 10 and have a cup run and that we should judge him after 10 games not saying he’s a liar but I wouldn’t trust him saying Thuavin was going to get game time

  • 8 Tsunki // Feb 11, 2016 at 10:01 AM

    For all those that say fan protest does nothing

  • 9 Tsunki // Feb 11, 2016 at 10:04 AM

    Check out Pulis’ comments and the last couple of paragraphs.

  • 10 jayphoto // Feb 11, 2016 at 10:06 AM

    My bet is Thauvin will definitely return, probably replacing sissoko in the summer who probably needs a move himself now. Makes sense for him going on loan as hes not strong enough and hasn’t adapted so wouldn’t play enough. Reckon the club will have put him on a certain training to slightly bulk and they’ll fancy with a full preseason with Newcastle he can live up to his price tag.

  • 11 jayphoto // Feb 11, 2016 at 10:10 AM

    Tsunki – ive long said Riviere has attributes. At A..S.S.E and toulouse he played wide in a front 3. At monaco he played number 10 behind falcao.
    At newcastle under pardew/carver they played him as a target man…. Its really not his natural game. His teamwork and work rate suit supplying a clinical finisher but his own finishing is pretty poor

  • 12 Rotonda heights // Feb 11, 2016 at 10:30 AM

    Thauvin is another huge black mark against Carr.
    For a club who allegedly vets players’ characters we’ve signed some doozies.

  • 13 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 10:33 AM

    Some posters have taken a swing at Carr claiming £24 million has been wasted on Cabella and Thauvin, which is completely false.

    First off, the Cabella price was overstated at the time, with the fee around 8 million – the club got 6 million back for him, plus a season of football out of his career. A season in which Cabella was in the top 3 players in the league for creating chances, for the first half of that season. So, around a £2 million loss, less the value of services.

    The club could lose £6 to £8 million on Thauvin, grim, granted, but how much will the club get for Sissoko in the summer – more than the losses made on Thauvin and Cabella, with a hefty surplus left over.

  • 14 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 10:38 AM

    Riviere in physical terms had taken to the Premier League like a duck to water, not sure where the alternative claim came from.

  • 15 manxpie // Feb 11, 2016 at 10:44 AM

    Catchy rewriting history there aren’t you?
    There was only 1 person who wanted Barton and Nolan out and you know who that was? and it wasn’t pardew
    Have a look at the Barton video on youtube he tells ya all ya need to know

  • 16 Rotonda heights // Feb 11, 2016 at 10:47 AM

    AP love in alert.

  • 17 Toon-Prodigy // Feb 11, 2016 at 10:47 AM

    I think he is home sick and probably missing that mint lass he has. His head has never looked right to me since he arrived. He has been lacking on the pitch.

    I think Ed is right, his mental strength should be questioned.

  • 18 JAMSHA // Feb 11, 2016 at 10:52 AM

    we dnt need thuvin, overrated as iv said b4 we signd him

  • 19 JAMSHA // Feb 11, 2016 at 10:54 AM

    Tsunki // Feb 11, 2016 at 10:01 AM

    For all those that say fan protest does nothing

    Well it doesnt nothing for US..coz our fans are so loyal 1 win an they think of finishing in tp 5

  • 20 Mag52 // Feb 11, 2016 at 11:03 AM

    AP hate alert.

    Unnecessary criticism of Saylor by a Norwegian rewriter of history. A leader on the pitch, leading by example irrespective of who the manager is.

  • 21 Tsunki // Feb 11, 2016 at 11:09 AM

    Alert alert. 🙂

  • 22 magscar // Feb 11, 2016 at 11:32 AM

    Little bit easier to reverse a decision not yet implemented which was universally panned outside of L’pool.

    Seem to recall the extensive SOS Save Our Seats campaign against Freddie Shepherd’s unwelcome manipulation of fans seatse which I joined in and contributed to but failed miserably. Perhaps L’pool fans are just better organised than us or it was an easy victory to concede.

  • 23 magscar // Feb 11, 2016 at 11:40 AM


    Such positive spin some might say a little bit of Bishop.

    Basically you win some you lose some on transfers – problem is the losses on recent buys are seemingly beginning to mount.

    When was last profit Cabaye 2 years ago? From those more likely to be sold in Summer we will probably take further hits e.g. Riviere Goufran Marveaux Obertan. Cisse and Tiote can be excepted on basis we have had some good service from them

  • 24 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 11:47 AM

    Magscar, where is the spin? If could point it out, I would be greatful.

    The club isn’t taking a hit on the players you mentioned, due to the club having a negative net spend on players until the summer just past.

    “Basically you win some you lose some on transfers”.

    I agree, which isn’t the story being portrayed by some.

  • 25 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 11:49 AM

    If you want spin, try “Carr is the DOF” or “Carr decides which players to sign from his scout list”.

  • 26 toontaff2 // Feb 11, 2016 at 11:52 AM

    Jimmy Johnson has a fine looking lass, but went out chasing a schoolgirl – BFS has stated that as a paedo he will certainly find it hard to fit in and he cannot send him to train with the youth.
    I remember as a 17 year old in the forces 1 of the Corporals told me he had lost his Welsh accent due to being embarrassed by plebs like me! With all the talk of multiple ID’s on this blog, I must point out I am not the moan-free alter ego of the other sheep rustler on here and do have a sense of humour!

  • 27 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 11:57 AM

    “we will probably take further hits e.g. Riviere Goufran Marveaux Obertan. Cisse and Tiote”

    Riviere – 4 million, you couldn’t buy a good championship striker for that
    Marveaux – free, waste of wages though. Another budget signing.
    Cisse – nearly a goal in two games striker, got what was paid for him.
    Gouffran – nominal fee, has helped the club survive.
    Obertan – 3.5 million, budget player, budget quality.
    Title – 4 million, worth the money, the club could have cashed in big time earlier. The club may still get their money back on him.

    Who set the budget for those players, and how much is the real loss?

  • 28 magscar // Feb 11, 2016 at 11:57 AM


    My spin would be Carr isn’t learning from past mistakes as to which French players can hack it in PL. Forget the mantra about budgets these players shouldn’t have been on his list especially Thauvin at price.

    As I remind our lass a bargain isn’t a bargain if all it does is sit in a cupboard or drawer unwrapped and unused.

  • 29 toontaff2 // Feb 11, 2016 at 11:58 AM

    Leighton James was a great Welsh player, despite his unwashed connections, but why is he going on so negatively about Johnjo? If he really thinks Shelvey was so poor Swansea got lucky with 12 million- maybe they are just bitter because he was worth more and all they are doing is giving him more reason to show them- I hope so.

  • 30 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:01 PM

    Magscar, are you forgetting about the 3 other players signed in the summer?

    The club could have had Thauvin for 2/3 million if they pushed for his signature when Carr was first scouting him.

  • 31 magscar // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:05 PM


    I have excluded Cisse and Tiote if you notice. My point is simple we keep ending up with players who can’t hack it in PL and who other PL clubs don’t want. No matter what the budget is Carr has been around the block enough to know what type of player is likely to function in PL- yet he keeps getting it wrong.

    Are you saying he is happy to just make up the numbers on his list on basis “the price is right” regardless of the likelihood they won’t make it – and then wash his hands of it as a simply not my problem.

    His star is on the wane.

  • 32 cyprus // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:09 PM

    Thauvin cabella two costly mistakes in a row.

  • 33 cyprus // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:12 PM

    I don’t know that lacazette but is it just between him and berahino? The lad looks trouble man, not fit either. I mean for 20 million I’d expect the very best, with no quirks.

  • 34 magscar // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:13 PM


    So Thauvin would have been a cheaper waste of money ( by the way I did have hopes for him after Northampton game I was at but he can’t hack it it seems).

    What we pay isn’t always the measure. If a player isn’t fit for purpose (likely to be at/ reach PL standard) it doesn’t matter what we paid except for loss is bigger the more you fork out and wages paid.

    On Thauvin at £14M (?) surely you are looking at a player expected to hit the ground running and feature regularly?

  • 35 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:15 PM

    magscar – Do you suppose Carr decided that the club should move for Thuavin over Payet? He was scouting them both, why do you think he opted for Thauvin.

    Is it possible that it wasn’t Carr’s decision, and the club completely ignored Payet because of age; moving for Thauvin because of potential sell on value? If so, who has put in place the age barriers in regards to player recruitment, Carr?

  • 36 giimps // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:17 PM

    Leighton was probably not taking into acct Jonjo is English and therefore doubling his value, not sure he is worth 23.5m at the minute but if he keeps playing well, starts to get fitter and Schteve sorts his away tactics out….he may just be by the end of next season when we’re winning the league like Leicester ………………….lol

  • 37 nightfa11 // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:19 PM

    I still think thauvin is better than townsend.. We spent the most money on wingers yet we still dont have a good one.. Zero goals, few assists.. Thats all they came up with..

  • 38 cyprus // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:21 PM

    Not sure why you are defending those transfers. In fact with the kind of money we have spent we should be top 8. Unless the coaches are truly that bad.
    In assessing cost you should also consider opportunity cost. Who could ve come in with that money instead of Thauvin.

  • 39 martoon // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:22 PM

    Thauvin and Cabella probably were mistakes but no club get’s it right all the time – every premiership club probably has it’s own version of Thauvin. Even SAF at Manure bought a few lemons over the years.

  • 40 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:22 PM

    magscar “My point is simple we keep ending up with players who can’t hack it in PL and who other PL clubs don’t want.”

    Valid point, but that is what happens when the recruitment budget for the majority of players is anywhere from zero to £4 million. Not many Premier League clubs would be run in such a way, certainly none with anymore ambition than basic survival.

    There must be 100s if not 1000s of scouts, working all over Europe looking for players, working within the same budget restraints as Carr. There are also the bigger clubs who get first pick and snap up all of the best raw talent.

    Given that ‘Carr and his French Flops’ have kept this club in the Premier League without a net spend until last summer, is nothing short of miraculous.

  • 41 magscar // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:23 PM


    Although we do tend to keep going after targets window after window there are examples of some where they were right in Jan but not following summer.

    The 2 you mention will probably be still in our sights especially if WBA got caught in relegation battle and went down. You would expect that even if they stay up and Berahino hasn’t signed a new deal then Peace at WBA is going to be hard pressed to hang on to him as his contract enters last 12 months.

    Problem would be that Jan might have represented our best chance of getting him as I suspect other more suitable options for him could see us squeezed out in Summer.

    McClaren if still here ( and we have survived) might have other ideas on targets as he is seemingly being allowed more say so list will probably expand.

  • 42 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:25 PM

    Cyprus “Not sure why you are defending those transfers. In fact with the kind of money we have spent we should be top 8”

    Four senior players were let go in the summer, more prior to that. Incoming – we had 1 senior player, and 3 youthful prospects, this… added to a team that finished the Premier League as the worst side in the division, looking nailed on for relegation next season.

    For me, there was little prospect of top 8.

  • 43 magscar // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:28 PM


    Problem is none of us know what goes on ( lack of any basic communication) but they is surely a pattern here and we are going after more expensive players ( 3 of 4 were over £10M in Summer).

    Carr is not the only problem here but he is by no means innocent and it his list that starts the ball rolling.

  • 44 magscar // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:34 PM


    “Given that ‘Carr and his French Flops’ have kept this club in the Premier League without a net spend until last summer, is nothing short of miraculous.”

    Most of his French flops didn’t figure in our last few relegation battles – perhaps that is why we ended up in them.

    Carr is not the only problem we have but he is more than just a cog in the wheel and as transfers are his major concern ( as well as on other football matters) he should take a lot of the flak.

  • 45 magscar // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:35 PM

    Thanks for chat – off out again

  • 46 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:43 PM

    magscar, – sure, that sounds about right to me. I am certain Carr is no doubt faultless, but I do not believe he is some Dick Dastardly, stuffing his inside pocket with brown envelopes from the Moondial agency.

    Some people would have you believe Carr flies home to Newcastle for the occasional break from his champagne drinking and cheeseboard munching, only landing back in Newcastle so he can bully McClaren and dupe Ashley one more time, all the while asking people where his glasses are, after forgetting they are on his head.

  • 47 catchy in norway // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:46 PM

    It confuses me this sell on stuff, how can a club that is in the top 20 clubs in the world money making wise , there is only a few clubs we can potentially sell to,

  • 48 Mister Tuff // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:56 PM

    Carr’s list of targets.
    We do not know exactly who is reccommending ALL -note all the targets. Certainly you would assume most come from the scouts but is it being suggested that no-one else reccommends players.

    We cannot have it both ways – saying we do not know the inns and outs but then say only Carr adds to the list of targets.

    Bottom line is we do not know.

  • 49 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:56 PM

    catchy, the club is only in the top 20 for revenue. There are clubs with lower revenue that spend more on players.

  • 50 Rotonda heights // Feb 11, 2016 at 12:59 PM

    Mag 52

    what a ridiculous comment. WTF has being norwegian got to do with anything.

    Do you think given the amount of games saylor has repeatedly missed, yet still drawn big wages, he deserves quarter of a million pounds annual loyalty bonus.

    He’s played the geordie card to the hilt and aside from a few decent games when he does get on the pitch, he turns slower than milk, has had shocking positioning in the past and who can ever forget his comical being shot antics when conceding another of a few needless penalties.

  • 51 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 1:01 PM

    We are not far away from Atletico Madrid, and will surpass them for revenue. Atletico Madrid were paying Aguero well over 200k a week, I don’t even think Aguero got a pay rise when we went to Man City. They were also paying Falcao vast sums. The difference = ambition.

  • 52 Goofy // Feb 11, 2016 at 1:01 PM

    The whole Mclaren out is a bit premature, he’s only been here 8 months and it would end with us getting relegated.

    The club has just had an overhaul with new manager, coaches, physios and possibly a tea lady. My point is look at the state John “the best coach in the world” Carver left the club in. Does anybody know what his tactics actually were? I don’t even think he did never mind the players.

    When Pardew was here it was a 4 day defensive training session, preaching total anti-football and broke all sorts of wrong records, most goals conceded, longest losing streak, worst start to a season since god knows when, yet the guy believed he was Alex Ferguson, completely deluded.

    Then Carver stepped in knowing he was already hated for turning on his own fans and spouting sh1t that Pardew was the best thing since sliced bread and kissing Arsely’s ass. A recipe for a total disaster.

    Today we are playing a faster passing forward game, there seems to be a bit of unity amongst the players. Yeah everyone can point out all the stats but should remember what kind of mess they/he gad to clean up.

    If our strikers were putting their chances away, we’d be sitting a lot more comfortable than where we are now. I’ve seen us play some excellent football and some of the worst. We have to believe the tide is turning.

    There will be no benefit in sacking Mclaren unless he is replaced by a Mourinho type. No top class manager is going to work under this regime.

  • 53 Toon Tang // Feb 11, 2016 at 1:13 PM


  • 54 beermonkey // Feb 11, 2016 at 1:22 PM


    it shouldnt matter whether taylor is a geordie or not the point is can we rely on him
    given his injury record the last few seasons no we cant
    let him go is my opinion

  • 55 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 1:23 PM

    I am unsure how much responsibility Carver should take for the mess that McClaren inherited. Carver should take the blame of being an assistant, but his time as gaffer was probably more a continuation of what Pardew already had in place.

    Carver possibly moved around a few chairs, tried his hand at a few different formations – but essentially it was the same brand with new packaging.

  • 56 catchy in norway // Feb 11, 2016 at 1:39 PM


    i know we are top 20 in revenue, but even if there are a few clubs with more ambition, there are not enough for a club of NUFC size, if you were lucky you might attract 1 of those clubs, but you wont ever make the money your looking for by playing in the bottom 5 clubs in the league, clubs only see value in a player if your a winning team, lets say the Southampton way, top half of the table and selling players.

    i think there is an effort going on behind the scenes to try and push for both a better postion and good cup runs, this is what drives the value of players.

  • 57 Bobbybee // Feb 11, 2016 at 1:46 PM

    Goofy, couldn’t agree more re Macca. He inherited the worst squad in the PL by a distance. Things that have improved since he came aboard include better communication with supporters and more openness. He has also clearly had an impact on transfers, looking to bring in a core of English talent. The hope we might finish in the top half was before he realised just how poor the squad was. More importantly is the improvement of the football, which is light years ahead of the past few seasons. He’s come in and is building his own team. That should be completed by the start of next season. The chances we’ve missed can’t be placed at his feet, but had we taken them we would be sitting comfortably by now. He has made a difference and imo should be allowed to continue. We now have the basis of a decent squad with money to finish the job off. The future appears brighter than it has for a long time. Our problems were never going to be overcome in one season, regardless of who the manager/HC was.

  • 58 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 2:05 PM

    Catchy ” clubs only see value in a player if your a winning team”.

    I doubt that one. Sissoko and Wijnaldum from our very own side would have little problem attracting suitors. Villa being a dour side were still able to get £30 million for Benteke as another example.

    Selling on a player at around 28/29 does not mean you have to make a profit on that player, even if you get slightly less than what you paid, you are making money back, as opposed to getting little to nothing for a player at a riper age.

    I am not suggesting I prefer the policy of buying players with sell on value by the way, but I see the financial sense of it.

  • 59 Ian Toon // Feb 11, 2016 at 2:06 PM

    Goofy- Some interesting thoughts.
    Macca was an upgrade on Carver. However, for the majority of the season he’s been unable to change much of what was wrong with the team’s performances. For the majority of the season we’ve been unable to take games to the opposition. We don’t dominate and don’t apply enough pressure without the ball to provoke opponents mistakes. Pre Shelvey passing was too slow and too safe. Macca sensed an air of negativity in the dressing room back in the summer and it has taken some time to overcome this, it’s one thing to recognise a problem but it takes time to resolve it. He spoke earlier in the season of the need to pass better and more often. Possession is the key to domination of games and we do have more possession now though it’s still often of the sterile kind with no end result. Frequently killing time without killing off the opposition. Much was also made of getting the team 20 or 30 yards higher up the pitch. One improvement under Macca is that we don’t sit back as much as previously but neither have we totally embraced the pressing game. This is not helped by Coloccini’s fear of being outpaced through the middle which often means he sits to deep and that has an effect on other players.
    Maybe this explains why Aarons was used at left back, to drag the team up the pitch by playing a winger in a deeper role. Something ManU tried. Last season Aarons presence made for vibrancy and forward momentum. He didn’t play very often but when he did his presence changed our team’s outlook, into that of an attacking force. The League Cup was his competition. Hopefully Townsend will provide the same momentum. Aarons has got something but lets see it with him running towards opposition goal lines and not ours. His time must come sooner rather than later.
    With Aarons attacking down one wing and Townsend the other, Shelvey pulling the strings and Wijnaldum arriving in the box, there are goals in the team and getting goals is currently our biggest problem. Mitrovic has made a start. You’ll note I haven’t mentioned Sissoko he needs to up his game. On the occasions we’ve looked potent this season we’ve also leaked goals. I sense that Macca will feel so be it and maybe we need to be braver and sometimes gamble. Is Macca ready to throw off the shackles! We’ll know soon enough maybe against Chelsea.

  • 60 AncientC // Feb 11, 2016 at 2:07 PM

    Time to make hay. Have a good day all.

  • 61 Ian Toon // Feb 11, 2016 at 2:12 PM

    Catchy- I agree with much of what you’ve said recently in contrasting Macca more favourably than Pardew. They’ve both suffered from the same problem. That of not having the players to play the sort of game they prefer. Undoubtedly Macca has more sway on the transfer front. Macca also if given time will bring on some promising youngsters.

  • 62 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 11, 2016 at 2:15 PM

    Ed…I do think you are missing the point here. Alot people on here are making the assumption that if you as a foreigner player fail at Newcastle it means you are not cut out for the PL.

    That’s an unfounded assumption to make. The failed at Newcastle and more foreigners than not seem to do that.

    It might have something to do with Newcastle as well and the fact that buy players a completely different system than the one we introduce them to here.

    Benny is doing well back in France and it will be interesting to see who Cabella and Thauvin will be doing.

    I think we need to adjust how we scout not what nationality we scout.

  • 63 John Akomfrah // Feb 11, 2016 at 2:34 PM

    The moral is
    don’t buy cheap foreign imports on the premise of just making a quick buck

  • 64 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 11, 2016 at 2:45 PM

    John…it has nothing to do with being cheap (which is not the case either) or being import!

    It’s simply about scouting the right player from the right system and playing him accordingly. Some take longer to adapt of course.

    Basically it all boils down to right kind of balance…

  • 65 hibbitt // Feb 11, 2016 at 2:46 PM

    Ian Toon
    if we are going to bring the kids on we need an upgrade on beardsley coaching them……. great player but a very poor coach !!!!

  • 66 Rotonda heights // Feb 11, 2016 at 2:52 PM


    Agree with your points, but people keep saying no top class manager would work under this regime, but is that really the case any more?

    it always used to be ash wouldn’t release funds, but that’s kind of been blown out of the water now. also ash has been very loyal (sadly in some cases) to his managers.

  • 67 hibbitt // Feb 11, 2016 at 2:52 PM

    agree it has nothing to do with cheap or imported but the product has to be fit for purpose and in a lot of cases what we are buying is not

  • 68 Rotonda heights // Feb 11, 2016 at 2:55 PM

    john akomfra

    like mahrez, kante, fuchs etc !!!

    Nothing wrong with cheap foreign imports if enough proper homework has been done on them.

  • 69 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:01 PM

    hibbitt…as with being fit for purpose, we definitely need to look at what we really need and how we play before we buy!

  • 70 Rotonda heights // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:01 PM

    stats do not always tell the truth. Prior to his arrival I was extremely sceptical of townsend, less so Shelvey.

    However, if wijni had scored from townsend’s excellent cross he would have had an assist against his name and if his shot had gone in off the post he would have had a goal. very thin margins sometimes.

    If we had put all our chances away (mainly mitro) at home we’d be well clear of danger by now. Just need to change the defensive mindset away from home.

    Either way generally a million miles better to watch than recent previous imcumbents

  • 71 Goofy // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:02 PM


    Ashley has made some good calls lately but doubt his reputation is out of the woods yet. Still don’t know how their transfer policy works. Was Mclaren given control last window? Shelvey and Townsend would suggest that he was but not sure myself. I’d like to keep sticking the boot into Ashley yet it would be pointless as he’s still going to be here. Just got to hope he has changed his ways.

  • 72 Rotonda heights // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:02 PM

    incumbents even

  • 73 manxpie // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:02 PM

    Rotonda it’s more the point no top class manager would want to for the crap wages
    i bet macca is still one of the worst payed in the league

  • 74 Ian Toon // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:11 PM

    hibbitt- We do. Assuming that we survive relegation the academy needs a massive reboot. Beardsley is heralded by the older fan as a player but he’s pretty poor in terms of player development.
    I would like a proper DOF and a younger ambitious ex player to head up the academy . Dave Watson is not pulling up any trees.
    Hope Macca will be around for a complete root and branch exercise. It’s what Arsene Wenger did when first arriving at Arsenal.
    We need to do more in the local community at half term kids used to watch training etc. Lot to do bug let’s start at grass roots – we’ve had too many managers who haven’t bothered with the academy. Under 2-‘s.

  • 75 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:11 PM

    Rotonda…I said before we bought Townsend that I thought he would fit McC just great!

  • 76 Online Guy // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:26 PM

    Give McClaren another two seasons and he will recruit the England B team.

    I think the crock from Liverpool is in his sights ..the new sick note…..Anyway it seems he’s getting the say so on players now ..Carr might just be looking at retirement ..although he’s on easy street. What a number.

    Any more ex England irregulars on the way .? .cant think of any but that seems to be the McClaren ideology just now ..Might be a good thing, instead of all the French Fancies.

    Who would you have come the summer Window ?

  • 77 John Akomfrah // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:28 PM

    Well i should have added dont let an old man loose with the bosses dough

  • 78 Online Guy // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:29 PM

    Shawcross please , Terry ?, Cahill?

  • 79 Hail Wor Ashley // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:29 PM

    Has the blog been rid of supposed multiples? Have the perpetual whingers finally succeeded in driving people off the blog?

  • 80 hibbitt // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:37 PM

    Online Guy
    we can but dream

  • 81 Online Guy // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:38 PM

    HWA.. I wont mention his name ..he came back a few times and tread wearily ..easily sussed when he came back under new names as he quickly got frustrated and blurted out a load of shite ..dropping himself in it every time , if he’s back then he’s behaving because there has not been to much rubbish Wednesday and today ..

    I can put up with the odd idiot and have a laugh at times but the latest idiot seemed to be getting all his school friends to join in ..ruining the blog ..Posting song after song and writing real embarrassing crap .. it was ridicule and farce..not a place to visit if it continues…some Mother’s

  • 82 Mag52 // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:38 PM

    Looks as if Ashley has a convert eh Rotunda ?
    In a desperate attempt to avoid the loss of revenue which relegation would bring, he opens his wallet.
    Doesn’t take much to win some people around does it.

  • 83 beermonkey // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:44 PM

    online guy

    another sicknote phil jones from man u
    would suprise me if utd let him go

    not top of my list but if mclaren is going for englands b team he might want him

  • 84 Online Guy // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:48 PM

    With the thought in my head that Ashley had bid 24 million for Berahino ..I think I was more exited about the amount of the bid than The actual player .

    When the mist cleared, I thought a lot on here were getting exited for the same reason , that Ash had finally decided this Club was worthy of him spending serious money

    When it all settled down I was slightly less exited about Berehino coming here on account of his childish behaviour ..he might turn out to be a good Un’ but right now he ain’t puling up any trees so to speak.

    Have we had a lucky escape ?..that amount of money should not be buying potential it should be buying the well proven finished article ..look what happened with Cabella the lightweight and Thuavin the wee Fairy .. money wasted and a complicated mess.

  • 85 Online Guy // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:53 PM

    Aye Hibbet

    Hello beer monkey me old china

  • 86 Online Guy // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:55 PM

    hibbit even

    got to dash lads.

  • 87 giimps // Feb 11, 2016 at 3:57 PM

    Does anyone know if Carr is only scouting from a set few agents rather than the whole pool of players available to all scouts?
    It would be interesting to see if he has been getting a finders fee from those agents and is why we are only after certain players (other than the restrictions on age, wages and competition from other clubs) rather than the players to fill needed positions within the formations attempted………..there must be a reason forCarr to be so determined to use imports other than cost

  • 88 Online Guy // Feb 11, 2016 at 4:01 PM

    We got 3 England players now Taylor Townsend , Shelvey ..anymore ?

  • 89 TroubledToon // Feb 11, 2016 at 5:44 PM

    Thauvin, u ain’t fit to play even in the championship!! Fcuking piece of shit. Carr shud face a life ban for the crime he committed by signing him for 14M!!

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