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Steve McClaren To Have A Big Rethink

9:10 am, Monday, February 15th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 101 Comments

Steve McClaren admits he may have to have a big rethink on how he has Newcastle play away from home and who he will play on the road in the remaining six vital away games left this season.

Our away record is simply pathetic with just two wins in 13 attempts on the road and only 7 goals scored and only 7 points gained and 10 defeats.

And in three of those games we have conceded a massive 16 goals including six at Manchester City and five at both Crystal Palace and at Chelsea last Saturday.

We have failed to even score in seven away games this season.

steve mcclaren - cheslea had just equalized

Steve McClaren to have a big rethink about away games

If we cannot get at least a couple of wins in those six remaining road games we could take the drop this season.

And four of our next six league games are away from home.


This is what McClaren has said about the road games:

“We need to start collecting points away from home because winning at home but then losing away is not going to be good enough,”

“We have to find a way to win away from home because, at the moment, that’s not happening.” “If that’s a different approach, or different personnel, then we’ll have to do that.”

“It might mean a different way of playing.” “That’s why we are where we are – we’re inconsistent,” 

“There’s a lot of games where we’ve kind of performed but not scored goals, but we’re losing games because we’re not scoring enough goals and we’re not keeping clean sheets.

“We have to somehow solve that.”

Our record this season is the worst it’s ever been after 26 games played in the Premier League.

24 points and we are 4 points behind where we were even in our relegations season seven years ago.

Newcastle must start winning games otherwise we will take the drop and it will be a complete and utter disaster for the club and all those associated with it.


Comments welcome.

Tags: Coaching · Newcastle News · Prayer · Premier League · Press

101 responses so far ↓

  • 1 WWSBRD // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:16 AM

    Damnit thought it would be his career choice….that was mean wasnt it

  • 2 magscar // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:19 AM

    Last thread

    I think there are some very difficult decisions to be made with players coming back. A manager has to be strong and take dressing room with him or at least the leaders. Signs are not looking good that should he drop any of Sissoko,Coloccini,Gini which he arguably could that he will carry the day. On our run in we need a together squad and normally the Captain is important to that. I am seeing signs that there may be a schism developing since new players such as Shelvey and Townsend arrived. Dressing room needs sorting out

  • 3 magscar // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:22 AM

    posted before finished

    …. McLaren has taken relatively easy decision of dropping Perez and Mitro but they are probably not the forces in the dressing room however much they may have smarted.

  • 4 magscar // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:25 AM

    Blusterman yes that has relevance in the NOW

  • 5 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:25 AM

    Well at least he has finally realised he needs a rethink….. He needs to do it quick, 4 of our next 6 are away.

    Very true, he has dropped players that are easy for him to drop, whereas others seem to get selected regardless. Neither Mitro or Perez will rock the boat if dropped, it is the cowards way out, rather than really addressing any problems.

  • 6 WWSBRD // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:26 AM

    Sadly I think ur right

    I also dont think the players have much faith in McClarens decision making after the last game during the first 20 minutes they kept looking to the bench for help or instructions and nothing came

  • 7 magscar // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:31 AM


    That was the reason I also referenced England as he couldn’t make the difficult decisions then either.

    Trouble is the approach of tougher managers like Alladyce, Pulis can irretrievably upset some of the softer types and we may have too many of those to keep happy. As many have said we lack leaders and fighters who would sort dressing room out when things get tough.

  • 8 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:32 AM

    magscar // Feb 15, 2016 at 8:39 AM


    Is the apoplexy really necessary? Ashley is to blame overall for our current problems. I believe he even said something about where the buck stops.

    Apoplexy? Is that how it comes across? I too am an ‘older poster’. I fail to see how a call to wake up and smell the coffee amounts to a rage fuelled outburst. So you actually think that Ashley has to do no more than admit he’s the man who oversees this fiasco and that’s him absolved of all necessity to fundamentally change the methods that got us here? That’s a bit of an ostrich view imho. I thought I was just pointing out that talk of replacing coaches and office staff is not the real issue. The 100% owner has a remit to make himself richer through SD by making his cash cow crunch the expedient numbers, no waste, no frills, just get by on frugal means,and watch the cash roll in to this self sustaining shop while the advertising tool does it’s worldwide brand magic for his sports tat firm. Not apoplexy. Observation.

  • 9 magscar // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:34 AM


    Yes and there in features another problem of lacking an organiser on the pitch when things go awry. Shelvey may be the answer but can he temper his contributions and get others onside?

  • 10 beermonkey // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:36 AM


    there is a lazy culture at the club its been allowed to grow and fester
    born from the attitude of not wanting to win and if we avoid relegation its ok

    how many times do you see the same faces walking back when we conceed, colo janmatt sissoko tiote, for me colo is the ring leader as when he goes missing those others are not far behind
    these players also know no matter how bad they are they will start the next game
    i dont think mclaren is strong enough to sort this but even if he wanted to drop them who can he play in there place

  • 11 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:38 AM

    If we are going to see any improvement at the club, the pressure needs to be on the man who calls the shots in recruitment. If nobody is knocking on Ashleys door he won’t feel the pressure.

    When you go into a store to complain about something you’ve bought and you get an operative who gives you a useless answer, who do you ask to see? The cleaner?

  • 12 nut meg // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:40 AM

    If we had addressed the problems with the defence in the summer we would’ve had stood a much better chance of keeping a clean sheet! Self inflicted wounds……zero sympathy from me.

  • 13 Lilongwe Geordie // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:40 AM

    I’d rather he upset the soft under performing players and set up a team with tactics rather than 11 individuals. Couldn’t care less if they get the players get the hump, there are tens of thousands of fans being let down on an almost weekly basis by them.

  • 14 reilly // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:41 AM

    the club should scrap this jolly to spain,and get them down to whitley bay in the snow.

  • 15 bladeuser // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:50 AM

    the man’s a genius but mr wally you have won hardly any games at home either
    And he decides to put the away form right with 12 games left
    a few bloggers see relegation if it happens as one way of getting rod of that cancer ASHLEY and I thought so to
    but I think the fat oaf is going to hang on for years to come so I am afraid we are stuck with him but not with wally
    now I know it won’t happen and you know my stance on the sheep but the next home game SMAC needs to be hounded out because u know and I have known from day one this dinasaur is past it and he will be spouting his crap after the last game saying NUFC will bounce back from relegation
    But like I said loyal I will give you but along with fat oaf wally and all the other crap that is Nufc you lot are the pits with no greater example on Sat when you applauded them off after that inept shocking performance
    Some of you would have payed well over £100 to witness that shit and all you can do is put your hands together you really are pathetic mugs who deserve to see Nufc take on championship teams
    Applaud them if we lose and they have shown some fight but what the hell is wrong with you really think you are spending hundreds hours of your time getting up before daybreak in freezing conditions and you applaud a pathetic team who some will forget it as soon as they hit the club’s that same night aka Julian lesscot who tweeted a pic of his new sports car driving home from villas 6-0 defeat yesterday
    I do not want Newcastle United to go down but If it happens what I will take from it is not the deadwood being shipped out but you zombies having to follow them

  • 16 Jail for Ashley // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:55 AM

    Will they sack him if he takes us down, probably not. Then he can carry his losing mentality from last season and this season into next. The guy is a shite house, after what he put Derby through he should have had the good grace to resign instead of hanging around for his failure payoff. The guy is a millionaire due to continued failure.

  • 17 AncientC // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:57 AM

    Like a monologue by Homer.

  • 18 magscar // Feb 15, 2016 at 9:59 AM


    Can’t get cut and paste to work but your comment ” it is the NOW not THEN” or similar that was only missing the exclamation marks to make it leap off the page. I also smell the coffee by the way my olfactory senses are unimpaired with age.

    I believe in all the to and froing with a nemesis of yours you referenced your business credentials. So you can presumably agree that if you buy a business, put in place personnel that you believe can achieve your objectives (however limited or challenging) you can leave them to it largely while you get on with your real business but get progress reports.

    If things keep going pear shaped you might be loyal and retain them after a pep talk but if things don’t improve do you sack yourself as being the one who set it up or look to replace some of your failures when the opportunities arise. Rhetorical I know but you get my point.

    Ashley has belatedly opened the purse strings and must be assessing the Boards achievements since the televised Damascus moment. I don’t believe he is going to see it as a blip after years of underspending and he will be looking to apportion blame further from himself this time. Staying up might mellow him but another relegation fight will not be on the agenda – mid table rather than challenging higher OK but he won’t want to gamble with bottom half target as too close for comfort.

    We might see a root and branch review but the top of the tree will be making it and will survive for sure. Perhaps a tree surgeon in the form of a proper DOF is what he really needs to carry out the task

  • 19 Jail for Ashley // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:01 AM

    The players simply couldn’t have been unaware that club policy was to exit cups as soon as possible. This goes against the instinct of any athlete or sportsperson, they are born winners hence being at the top of their game while tens of thousands others don’t make it.

  • 20 Jail for Ashley // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:02 AM

    Aiming for mid table when we should be aiming higher is what got us in this mess.

  • 21 magscar // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:03 AM


    Don’t disagree but can McClaren hack it?


    Not the cleaner but as likely to be duty manager or store manager in any large organisation certainly not the owner.

  • 22 magscar // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:08 AM


    Cups in other countries don’t carry the profile they do here and even FA cup is not what it was to us old fogeys 🙂

    @20 yes probably right but in fact the aim was apparently top 8 so maybe look at Leicester and aim for title so we might get a CL place next season

  • 23 welshgeordie9 // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:13 AM

    Bring back pardew, carver or even kinnear, anyone than this muppet.

  • 24 Ian Toon // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:13 AM

    Macca has failed to date to change the team’s losing mentality. Players need to take responsibility. Talk of looking to the bench- the answer was not to lose possession but show experience of what’s required in such situations and character. We passed the ball too slowly and inaccurately. We created our own problems and the goals conceded were self inflicted. We don’t need a poll to identify defensive weaknesses as they’ve been all to apparent for seasons.
    Time in Spain should be laboriously spent in drilling the defence and working on the need for movement off the ball and willing runners in midfield. Contrast our movement off the ball to Chelsea’s.
    Wijnaldum was the worst player on the field before removed. It’s often said that Sissoko always plays well in televised games because he’s after a move to a CL team. Well he was appalling as well. Colback is often criticised but he is an honest trier as he showed when introduced.
    We are where we are and encouraging performances are all well and good but we need points on the road and fast.

  • 25 expatmag // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:14 AM

    The scenario is clear.

    We will go down.
    Ashley will conduct a fire sale
    McLaren and Co. will be sacked
    Moyes will be appointed
    We will sign a few freebies journeymen and kids
    But this time, we will not come straight back up.

  • 26 magscar // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:15 AM


    An unusually long post which may be worth reading but your self inflicted reputation for invective and nothing else will mean it has been read by few including me. You do need to question your approach if you want to be taken seriously.

    Yeah I know I could look at my verbosity but I am being serious as the Blog is a better place for measured comments.

  • 27 welshgeordie9 // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:15 AM

    Have a rethink in how to play in away matches, should have done that at the beginning of the season, not with a couple of games to go.

  • 28 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:16 AM

    Magscar if by nemesis you mean the hopelessly apathetic Blackley who has a trail of failed ridiculous arguments to fall on, and by business credentials you mean my mentioning how I am not unfamiliar with the rudiments of running a company as a way of qualifying the I do understand where good and bad decisions can be made ( by sometimes bitter experience) , I don’t see your point other than to jump on his bandwagon of naysaying reasonable proposition. The caps thing was an emphasis, not a vein – popping rant. Emphasis because everyone’s going on about what’s going on down on shop floor, while the overseer of all things presides on the same mess year after year. And the reason we see exactly the same scenario played out is because the big guy is comfortable with it. He is comfortable because we are comfortable, evidently because we keep buying from him and supporting his ideal no matter what lousy thing he does.

    For candour sake, I posted after Pardew left that I couldn’t believe that a successful man like Ashley would leave a caretaker in charge. But I was dead wrong. I’m not as patient as you evidently, I fear that I’ve seen ” root and branch” in print many times after all these pathetic seasons. There’s only so long you can excuse a top boss from relying on “progress reports” before he actually has to get his hands dirty and for something.

  • 29 welshgeordie9 // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:18 AM

    I wonder if the players still have faith in mcclaren, if they have then it won’t be for much longer.

  • 30 Ian Toon // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:21 AM

    We need a Chris Mort type to replace Charnley. A thoroughly personable professional individual who was a credit to the toon. He was a quick learner and made a point of talking to travelling fans.
    A DOF who is an experienced football type. A Chief Scout who is younger and hungrier in his networking.
    At least Sherwood thinks we will stay up- maybe he’s after Macca’s job.

  • 31 welshgeordie9 // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:21 AM

    People having a go at Gini, Christ he can’t do everything on his own, same as mitrovic, some have got short memories, praise them one week and then calling them crap the following week.

  • 32 magscar // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:25 AM


    Not certain of relegation as others failngs could save us has last season and others.

    Can’t shake the feeling that Ashley personally will be considering a replacement for McClaren but will depend on if he can identify someone who can not onky fight fires but continue into next season. He may come up with no one then your nightmare scenario could come to pass but without Moyes unless he comes now

  • 33 Wayayman // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:30 AM

    Blade user, I thought I’d read your post since you took time to write your thoughts down. I can see past the lack of punctuation which I’m used to from your posts and this is a football blog after all, not a school.
    I was pleasantly surprised to see you writing something with substance for a change, but just as I was warming to you and your ever so friendly username, there you go again targeting the fans and tarring them with the same brush. How do you know that ‘all of you’ clapped the team off? Where you there? Why do you have so much anger towards people who are supporters of the team you love? Don’t call us sheep, we support NUFC, not the owner or manager or even he latest signing. We’ve been there long before Ashley and will be there long after. It’s called loyalty. It’s tribal, it can’t be switched off on demand.

    Ashley out macca out fullstops and commas OUT!

  • 34 AncientC // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:32 AM

    Somebody posted yesterday that the running of the club was Einstein’s definition of insanity – repeating the same processes and expecting a different result.

    The fault with that claim is that the owner hasn’t expected a different result whatsoever.

    Survival expected, based on periods of famine, followed by cash injection when relegation form comes into the foray.

  • 35 beermonkey // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:35 AM


    look at the start or last season and the one before
    pardew spouting on about champions league and best squad in years
    imagine what he was saying to the players

    i think it was an easy sell for mclaren this season as he was going to rebuild


    if we go down thats us far to many clubs in the championship that do it right with players and academys, cant see any of the first team sticking around except elliot and colo dummet

  • 36 toon kk // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:36 AM

    A blind man can see what our problems are. A
    Poor defence which lacks quality and pace, we’re always going to concede.
    Work ethic among the squad is shocking. Also even when we play well we have no cutting edge in front of goal.
    Don’t blame Mitrovic, Gini, Townsend and Shelvey they’re the back bone of our squad, it’s there team mates letting them down.

  • 37 Sav // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:37 AM

    “We’re losing games because we’re not scoring enough goals and we’re not keeping clean sheets. We have to somehow solve that.”
    This may sound like a crazy, left-field idea but hows about you buy some decent defenders and a striker who knows where the net is? Does Carr ever watch Newcastle? Does Macca not have his number? Can Mitrovich play CB? He has all the attributes while he seems to lack the one component necessary for a comfortable life as a striker. Perhaps he was just ill-advised as a teenager?

  • 38 Ian Toon // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:38 AM

    blade- I plead guilty and even at those prices. It’s less of a habit these days but I saw us win at Spurs which was a real adrenaline rush and get hammered at Palace. We were humiliated and I didn’t personally applaude the players but many did.

  • 39 toon kk // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:38 AM

    Welsh in
    Maybe our players should start putting more effort in.

  • 40 AncientC // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:41 AM

    If probably isn’t that the club did not want to buy defenders, it’s more likely that they couldn’t find any that fit the strict transfer policy.

    Last defender signed… a 20 year old that the club probably wrangled a deal on because they were buying Mitrovic from the same club… buy 2 get 5% off.

  • 41 magscar // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:43 AM


    Will ignore most of your post for brevity as I was taking you at your word ( as far as I recall it was the only mention you have ever made of your business past on here).

    Suffice to say what I am driving at is Ashley will get his hands dirty but that won’t include seppuku.

    I think the Carver appointment was Charnley left to his own devices after failing to get McClaren then and convincing Ashley that it was safe to wait until end of season as we had enough points on the board to scrape by.

    I know root and branch is often mentioned but so was we need to spend all the profit.
    Ashley will be asking some hard questions at the end of season recap and is likely to be less and less convinced at what excuses and reassurances he is being fed. His loyalty and self blame will only go so far and it is possibly only that too much major surgery at the same time might kill of the patient could reprieve some but on a warning.

  • 42 toon kk // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:55 AM

    Last time we went down we had a harder working team, that actually had more spirit.
    We worked very hard together in the championship to do so well and get promoted.

    It won’t happen with our current players.

  • 43 John Akomfrah // Feb 15, 2016 at 10:56 AM

    Here, here, blade user your hitting the nail on the head but your thumb is in the way.

  • 44 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:00 AM

    Magscar all I am pointing out is that, contrary to the apathetic view that Ashley can’t be forced to change his course, I feel that the fans have shown there is enough power to get to him as the heart of the problem. We are the customers and as long as we are deriding managers and board members the major shareholder, the big cheese, is just joining in with us while continuing to rake in the TV money. He has his scapegoats in place and we are collectively lapping up this nonsensical view it’s player A or coach B or Director C etc that’s to blame.

    it’s not just seeing there is a wound but there’s something I there and it needs to be got out. Maybe he can’t be forced to sell up and move on, I think it’s highly unlikely that he will given the benefits he enjoys, but his advertising placing can be made toxic enough to force a mood swing and stop some of this rot.

  • 45 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:03 AM

    I also fail to see how any harm can be done to a team that is already going down can be done by putting pressure on the owner to pull his finger out or we’re not buying until he does.

    Trouble is for some that voting with your wallet as all composed customers do is equated with being disloyal or less of a supporter. Nutters.

  • 46 lesh // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:04 AM


    Given Ashley’s profession of ambition in May and add to that the near £80m spent since then, I’m astonished that he’s allowed the malaise of last season to fester.

    Had he been serious he would, like most other owners, have acted to change things to protect his investment. But he hasn’t. Why?

    Could it be he’s not interested in the Club?

    Surely Ashley can’t be oblivious to the state of the Club?

    Maybe his May statement was nothing more than bullchit aimed at taking the heat away from his two puppets – Charnley and Carr?

  • 47 stuart no9 // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:07 AM

    And its taken Macca all fu”’ing season to work that one out ?? shite we are in trouble

  • 48 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:07 AM

    Head bowed in slough of despair McLaren photo stock.

  • 49 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:10 AM

    I think the “we have to somehow solve that” statement tells you all you need to know. He, the Head Coach, does not know how to solve it.

    Thank you. And goodnight.

  • 50 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:11 AM

    Be careful. Here’s the intimidating bit for you. The bit Tsunki likes to keep up his sleeve as he invites you on before landing the sucker punch. Tsunki is a helper to a business owner. And you know what that means? That trumps all other views, so he doesn’t even need to know his interlocutor’s credentials. It even means he can ignore the financial information and statistics and the words of independent financial analysts and solicitors.

    He bangs on about free advertising but this free advertising must be the most expensive free advertising ever known. He talks about going in shops to complain. If I want a new parrot coat, I buy it from the clothes shop. I don’t buy the bloody clothes shop, and take all the risk of and headache of running a shop and selling parrot coats, do you?
    And then lend the shop £130m interest free, just to get some free advertising that I could have bought from the advertiser at arms length.

    The trouble with Tsunki is that he hates Ashley so much it taints his views. He can get apoplectic and then starts to play the man. It’s a pity because I like him and he brings good humour to the blog.

  • 51 magscar // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:18 AM


    Apathetic Realistic whatever? Have no problem with your view on trying to get Ashley out but just don’t see him going until he is ready – each to their own.

    There are other realistic targets for blame ( not simply scapegoats) that can be replaced more easily and they start with the Board and especially Charnley and Carr. Better appointments in post and fit for purpose even with whatever Ashley’s policies are must offer an improvement.

    Anyway having wasted the morning on here must get on.

  • 52 magscar // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:22 AM


    I don’t think I want to go there an argument that didn’t need me 🙂

    I do agree that Tsunki does bring genuine amusement to the Blog that I am actually still able to get.

    I’m off – duties call

  • 53 ilovetoon8788 // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:23 AM

    how many times has mclaren said what he just said only with a different way of saying it.

    he’s like carver. totally and completely out of his depth and this level. and he’s now annoying gini and he might just force gini to leave us with us rubbish way of handling the players and this club.

  • 54 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:27 AM

    Ah Blackley pops up right on cue with his ‘helper’ dig again. You know the reason I mentioned my business involvement, quite mundane admittedly – I have apparently no more lofty button than to be a kitchen fitters to the blog regulars 🙂 – was merely to outline I wasn’t unaware of basic business practices, no more no less. So the pathetic waa-waa stuff you use to support your apathetic musings churns on. Ok do that then if it entertains you.

    I’d love to hear your final answer, not given yet, on why the advertising is the most expensive type, but I fear that what is coming us yet another tsunami of bilge akin to the recent peristaltic offerings such as the Carr one about his decision making being flawed due to age-related mental deterioration, or the side-splitting goon logic of Carver keeping us in the premiership and maybe we can go back to the legal letter writing antics with his brother or arguing his way deftly out of membership of another blog.

    You Could Not Make it Up. I believe is the phrase. 😀

    He is like the dear departed Jeff, but on steroids. At least jeff would have the grace to be silent when he’s made a complete balloon out of himself, but hats off to Blackley you can’t keep a raving lunatic down

  • 55 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:36 AM

    I also couldn’t follow with complaining about a faulty parrot coat ended up with a dispute over £130m I should be so lucky 🙂

    What about ” Oh no my Parrot coat I just bought is faulty and falling apart at the seams and also has a patch on the bag that says ‘ I’m a mug’ – but I won’t do anything about it because I’ve always been a loyal supporter if this shop, me and my dad before me. In fact I’m going to buy some more coats just like this one”

    Blackleys Goon Logic.


  • 56 nufconceandfuturekings // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:36 AM

    Is it possible to use a different picture of Steve? He must have a crick in his neck after being in that pose all this time.
    However, as fans, the pain in our necks is much bigger, far more serious and potentially chronic – very, very chronic. We all know the truth, as fans. We all know our club is being run disgracefully. We all know we would end up, eventually, running out of the minimal luck we’ve always had as a club. I can smell burning – AGAIN. Like last season, Nero’s busy fiddling again; and that’s not a euphemism, by the way.
    A win against Stoke or that’s it.

  • 57 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:38 AM

    Nufc once – we have to use the ‘ mood for the day ‘ photos mate. At the moment we are back in the clarts. As soon as we win though, Ed will open the ‘ happy days mclaren’ folder again. Be patient.

  • 58 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:40 AM

    I wasn’t involved today until I read from you of “the hopelessly apathetic Blackley who has a trail of failed ridiculous arguments to fall on”.

    You appear to be re-writing history. You announced your credentials in a fanfare of “here’s the intimidating bit for you”. It was an all time blog classic. I’m not going to forget that in a hurry despite my failing memory.

    I’ve read a lot from Magscar and he always makes reasonable and reasoned points. You may not agree with them but you don’t have to get apoplectic.

    I won’t respond to all the insults in the rest of your post because you’ve not made a single argument to deal with. When you play the man as you do, you show you’ve lost any argument and all credibility.

  • 59 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:41 AM

    I wonder if that shop is Mrs Muggins’ Pie (in the face) Shop?


  • 60 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:48 AM

    Yeah Blackley it was intimidating because for one thing you thought I was an idiot who could be taught a business lesson on why a 100% company shareholder would forego advertising revenue on the basis of loaning himself some money, and the second being just as good is that you keep banging on about it! So it was, wasn’t it? And I’m not apoplectic ( word of the day I think) I’m actually laughing here as I type this. I’m not getting angry with Magscar and yes he does make reasonable points. I thought I was debating a difference of opinion on blame apportionment.

    You on the other hand have a hard time getting away from arguing yourself into a hole where you have to jibe your way sideways, or do this play the man thing you like to quote. it’s not my mantra Blackley, so I wouldn’t pursue that as being a failing or my part either. I enjoy playing the man when he presents his backside to be kicked. it’s comically fun.

  • 61 BandB // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:48 AM

    So Saturday was about damage limitation.
    Damage to whom?
    I doubt whether it was the morale of the players, who don’t seem to have any, unless everything is going their way.
    Indeed, Wijnaldum’s gnomic statement offers the possibility his substitution and apparent scapegoating (no-one likes to be hauled off at half-time precisely because it suggests they are being blamed) has had a detrimental effect on his morale.
    Chelsea missed two one on ones with the keeper. It could’ve been eight nil. Enough to arouse the hierarchy from their slumbers.
    A late consolation goal, nothing to do with improved team play or tactics but the result of one player showing some initiative, kept the scoreline within the bounds of the unexceptional.
    It bought McClaren some time. McLaren was saving his own skin with his damage limitation.
    There was never a thought after three-nil that we had levelled at four-four against this team in recent memory.
    It does not bode well.

  • 62 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:50 AM

    Rewriting what history? The I’m in debt to me/free ad giveaway argument? The carr/age argument or the carver / relegation saviour one? Can you narrow it down Blackley?

  • 63 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:52 AM

    You appear to misrepresent or simply miss the point of Old Blackas “goon logic” as you call it with glee. If you want something that you can buy from a service or goods provider, you buy it at the best price from a range of providers. You don’t go and buy the whole bloody company. I want a parrot coat so I buy the Bird Coat company.

    My point is that the advertising is thrown at Ashley as some great wheeze. It’s paltry relatively speaking. Trivial. Claude Littner knows something about running businesses. A little more than you I might add if that impressed you. I asked his view. He said exactly the same.

    Ashley stood to lose an absolute fortune running NUFC when he took over. And he was down from the moment he signed the deal. He could have bought advertising anywhere in the world for a very modest sum in comparison.

    You may not sccept it. But it’s a readonable point to make. You don’t have to insult Old Blackas for making the point.

  • 64 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 15, 2016 at 11:58 AM

    The re-writing bit is you bringing your credentials into a debate. Why would anyone do that? It has nothing to do with the points. But it just makes you look ridiculous that you think that you can trump an argument by it. And especially when you have no idea of the other person’s credentials. And you say it with “And here’s the intimidating bit for you”.
    OMG! Haha! Blog Gold

  • 65 Average_Contents // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:03 PM

    Why mention his name tsunki. Waughty tsunki.

    You’ve inadvertently kicked it all off again.

    Round and round we go. Filling the blog for 2-3 days because he can.

    And to think, the blog was just about in recovery mode after ed’s purge.

  • 66 Ian Toon // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:05 PM

    BandB- It was Arsenal we drew 4-4 with. I think Macca sees GD as possibly determining PL survival. The game was already lost.

  • 67 WWSBRD // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:05 PM

    As Ken Watanabe said in that awful Godzilla film ‘Let them fight’

  • 68 bladeuser // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:06 PM

    Stop banging on about full stops and commas I can’t b arsed to put them in
    Simple as that
    And once and for all my username is a password I use at work it’s got nothing to do with blades if that is what u think
    If u want to comment on my punctuation feel free petty lad u u u u u u or would u prefer you
    I am sure u r at your curtains now looking for litter droppers if u want to applaud a bunch of passionless losers feel free to do it
    Your money your time Why don’t u applaud them off on the day we r relegated shake SMAC hand and wish him well in the championship
    Sorry about the lack of full stops but like the players I couldn’t give a rats arse

  • 69 BandB // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:06 PM

    None of this is blog gold.
    It’s like watching two men slugging it out over the girl in a burning building in a cheesy old western.
    Ashley has no cards to play now but to replace the manager and insisting on a step change choice of replacement.
    We won’t muddle through to safety, which seems tone a widespread expectation.
    After 26 games we are still averaging less than a point a game. That has not improved in seven months. That would give us 36 points.
    Some say we have an easier run in, and rely on our rivals to lose. They are unconcerned.
    But nearly everyone we have to play has something to play for.
    I think we have shown little evidence we are the team that will knuckle down to a relegation scrap.
    We look the least likely.

  • 70 BandB // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:08 PM

    Ian…it was.
    Hands up. I goofed, but I guess you get the point.
    How was your tricky day?

  • 71 Average_Contents // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:08 PM

    It’s like a jack Russell nipping away at your ankles only to find it’s previously soft jaws now lock like a bull terriers.

    Split the back legs and you’ll release the lock. Or don’t mention lol.

  • 72 toon kk // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:10 PM

    Let’s sum up our club, our owner hasn’t a clue about football, neither does the board, Carr is past it, our manager is lost, most of our players either aren’t good enough or can’t be arsed and then we’ve got the fans, who either actually think we have a good side or just simply don’t mind paying to watch dross.

    What a mess.

  • 73 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:13 PM

    Keep your head down Tsunki. The blog police are appearing. They’ve pulled us over. Just to check our credentials and give us some friendly blog police advice, while letting most others pass without even noticing them. Let’s follow what they have to say. Because they’re in charge and there’s simply not enough free blog space for us.

  • 74 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:14 PM

    Yah you’re right everyone it’s pointless. I’ll just get back to my serious day job and get that printer filled with A4 and run down to Costa for the coffees. Hopefully you-know-who won’t be there to be intimidated by my pencil-sharpening prowess. 🙂

  • 75 BandB // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:14 PM

    There’s plenty of free space.
    You have created it.

  • 76 croftus5678 // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:16 PM

    we need to play 2 strikers.

    our defence is rubbish but its dragging the rest of our team with it and there performances turning them negative.


    i’m not confident that jan and townsend can do the full defensive job but they are good at going forward and do track back so why not play to their strength’s without leaving us weak.

  • 77 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:18 PM

    Actually BandB’s observation is uncomfortably recognisable ha ha. Only there’s no lass just fat Mike. That’s the intimidating part 😀

    Don’t feel hurt Blackley, at other times I enjoy your ribbing of the incumbents (I genuinely enjoyed your ‘ couldn’t handle/mamage/control the ball ‘ observations – I actually did an involuntary laugh in company and had to lie about why, as you often have to) but you do have a job hiding that Ashley love 😀

  • 78 Ian Toon // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:22 PM

    toonKK- Being a fan is unconditional. We could survive this season and morph into Leicester City. You’ve gotta ride the waves.

  • 79 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:22 PM

    Anyway, onto more pressing issues – how long do you think the grass is at Stokes ground? I’m getting slightly concerned about it as spring is approaching.

  • 80 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:28 PM

    Personally I find Claude Littner intimidating. I find Claude anything intimidating to be honest.

  • 81 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:28 PM

    Whenever Ashley is mentioned by some people on the blog, you just know the next words will be advertising of the free variety. And it happens a lot. It’s a fallacy. So now and then I pipe up to say that.

    I’m wiling to debate it with anyone. But I’d prefer not to get personal because it detracts from the arguments and it all gets out of hand. I’ll happily debate any point of difference we’ve had previously, provided we don’t go off on one.

  • 82 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:32 PM

    Don’t worry. I never feel hurt. I feel frustrated at times. Like today when I’m trying to bang off posts on my mobile (most times) instead of my pc. And then walking around for 3g. It feels like I’m trapped and gagged in a box.

  • 83 Toon Tang // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:35 PM

    Oh my frigging jeez, did he not think to have a big rethink after the very first away game we got slaughtered in.

    Is this story a joke or have I misread it?

  • 84 toon kk // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:38 PM

    Ian Toon
    We’ve certainly road the waves.
    Don’t expect to much though, you’ll be disappointed. We’re sh.t.

  • 85 cyprus // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:38 PM

    The score flatters Chelsea though Steve must adjust the way we play, true. When you give Chelsea space they have difficulty because they are a defensive team.

    We can’t of course play the same way with every team. For most teams we should play high pressure.

  • 86 posada // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:40 PM

    If we brought a real manager in he would keep it simple.


    Arons/Wini Sissoko Townsend

    Shelvey Colback

    Dummet Mbemba Lascelles Janmaat

    Sissoko as a 10. Had his best game there for Newcastle against Chelsea just after he signed. Due to poor defending and passing you cant play him anywhere else. Other than against poor teams.

    Collo. Out. Too slow and he is always at the centre of things whenever it comes to poor attitude. Dressing room discord. Really don’t know what hold he has on NUFC. Should have been out years ago and would not get a game at any other prem club.

    Toite – Bad attitude and a liability.

    Also, Perez and Mitro could feature in the three behind the striker.

    Need power and pace up front. Our last hope is Doumbia can provide that.
    The Tufted Wonder won’t do this. He is not brave enough. Also, the manager and his team would have to get the best from a young centre half pairing. TW can’t.
    Always goes for established stars and tries to fit them any way he can into a formation.

  • 87 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:41 PM

    Blackley I feel we have common ground at last. We are bored with it, and for sure I think the blog is bored with it 🙂

    Anyway, so…the Stoke ground – I hope they’ve used that Blade Length Standardising Machine, oh what’s it called, begins with an L don’t tell me I’ll get it. I’d hate to think SM had another excuse as to why our players couldn’t manage to put in half a show. Did someone send him the link to Pards’ excuse generator btw? Save him a lot of bother for his pressers. 🙂

  • 88 Toon Tang // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:41 PM

    No, I reread it people and it definitely has a direct quite from sm stating that we have to start playing differently away from home.

    Is he honestly having a bastard laugh at our expense?

  • 89 Toon Tang // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:45 PM

    The damn stupid idiot.

    I’d woke up in a relatively good mood for a Monday morn, but this story has peeved me on a biblical scale.

  • 90 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:46 PM

    Funny isn’t it how our tradition of randomly handing out half-dozen goal gifts is still being upheld with the new boy? That’s three coaches who’ve kept that mighty trend on the go. I expect another handsome defeat at the hands of our merciless mackem rivals to continue this fine course of humiliations.

  • 91 Tsunki // Feb 15, 2016 at 12:54 PM

    You have to remember this about Steve. He made Downing a first pick at boro and made him an England player as well. I’ll leave that there.

  • 92 AncientC // Feb 15, 2016 at 1:04 PM

    “Ashley’s ambition”

    My ambition for Ashley:

    How about Ashley charging for advertising. This nonsense about a soft-loan benefiting the club, with the club owing Ashley something? It is Ashley’s club, he benefits from the soft loan. It isn’t going to wash with the majority of fans.

    How about removing the Wonga logo from the shirts and allowing & logo conscious players to have some pride in wearing the shirt again.

    Would it be too much to ask that the club have ambitions for growth, including holding onto the honour of being a club with one of the biggest stadiums, the club got itself to that level, continuing the trend of being one of the biggest stadiums should be the easier part… especially when you have 1 club dominating a whole city.

    How about getting the new training complex finished. Debuchy mocked the facilities at NUFC after moving to Arsenal. Not only was there no rebuttal, the training facility improvements were delayed.

    A novel idea would be to give St James’ park its name back, not on lease to Wonga who could change the name at the drop of a hat. Come out and officially state that the future of the stadium’s name up isn’t up for sale, once the Wonga deal runs out.

    Remove the incentives built into contracts, these are professionals, SD workers are not impressed with incentives, how do they think professionals will respond to the dangling carrot stupidity.

    Buy quality players for positions that need strengthened, there is zero financial gain is waiting for a bargain whilst league position suffers because of weakness in certain areas.

    Reform the board and bring in experts, hiring what resembles a motley crew is fooling absolutely nobody. Compliant board members who ask no questions and turn a blind-eye are of no benefit to the running of the club.

    Finally… Ashley could stop being a disgusting swine. Lose weight, become a proud football club owner, if not for the better of the club, for the betterment of himself.

  • 93 hibbitt // Feb 15, 2016 at 1:09 PM

    toon kk / ian toon
    not just waves anymore its a full blown Tsunami

  • 94 Toon Tang // Feb 15, 2016 at 1:14 PM

    Tsunki, the lads an absolute crackpot eh, I’ve given him the benefit of the doubt this season and not judged him on his quota of 10 games and then 12 games etc etc. I’ve given him time due to injuries to the rearguard and midfield and blatant chances missed by strikers.

    But this story here is the final straw for me. How he can come out after a while host of shocking away games and say we may need to change something is above and beyond.

    How is it that fans sat at home have seen it all season and the ones getting paid thousands a week are only just seeing it. Must be a case of cataracts floating around the training ground or summat bloody hell fire

  • 95 Average_Contents // Feb 15, 2016 at 1:16 PM

    It’s only taken shteve 2 wins, 6-7 goals scored and numerous batterings out of how many away games to realise we have to try something else.

    The man’s a fcuking genius.

    Perhaps the measure is as tsunki stated. He made downing a fully fledged England international.

    Useless tw@t and whilst your at it shave that bonce ffs!

  • 96 Toon Tang // Feb 15, 2016 at 1:17 PM

    And that bloody cheeky looking comedy face he’s got is wearing me down man. Twisting my melon good and proper man

  • 97 AncientC // Feb 15, 2016 at 1:21 PM

    Somewhere at SD somebody has their head in their hands just like McClaren in the above picture… the act of being a firewall for a neglectful owner.

  • 98 LGFUAD21 // Feb 15, 2016 at 1:25 PM

    Dont see the point in sacking Mcclaren now.

    I’d only do that if Pulis was available.

    Moyes would be suicide. Our players wouldnt suit his style. We’d get even more injuries and we’d score even less.

    Might as well pray until summer and bring in a top manager like Benitez.

    Out of managers known to be available my picks would be:
    – Benitez
    – Rodgers – Although I despise the man
    – Nuno Santo – Wild card but worked with Cathro

  • 99 AncientC // Feb 15, 2016 at 1:38 PM

    Rodgers and Moyes would be too expensive. You couldn’t get either of those for around £1 million per year with added incentives.

    The club would have to overpay for a new head coach, considering the risk associated with the club going down. Not many managers/head coaches want that kind of achievement on their C.V.

    The best the club could hope for would be Nigel Pearson. Unless Ashley has an epiphany and decides to pay around £3 to £4 million per year for a head coach, which a club of Newcastle’s size should be paying… the options would be extremely limited.

    There is always Mourinho, who was pulling in around £11 million a year at Real Madrid, and would want more than that to sully his CV.

  • 100 Wayayman // Feb 15, 2016 at 1:40 PM

    BladeUser. Are you this aggressive with everyone in your life?

  • 101 Moonraker15 // Feb 15, 2016 at 3:11 PM

    McClaren just hasn’t got what it takes at the top level but will never be sacked by the man who also hasn’t got it, Charnley.

    His decisions are based on a romantic Roy of the Rovers theory and are quite unbelievable at times.
    I think most fans were surprised by Aarons’ good game against West Brom, but they didn’t even attack us and to put the lad in against Chelsea away with those forwards was criminal. In fact it may even have cost us the game because our players are not that bad. For the defenders to be looking to the bench for a plan and getting nothing was pathetic and McClaren was exposed as a fraud at that moment.

    You wonder just wtf was his role at Man u !

    I genuinely fear for us now because if we lose heavily at Stoke we could be in big trouble because we need at least 4 wins plus whatever we get away from home and I think you will need 40 points at least this year.

    Ashley has spent big but badly advised by the incompetent fools chasing Berahino instead of a top full back and worst of all, failing to get one with a month to do it!

    Now will Ashley bite the bullet and bring in a man who can save us.

    McClaren has the body language of a man who is scared, shrinking into his seat and not showing leadership.

    He’s gonna take us down I’m afraid!

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