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Graham Carr’s Six Flops To Leave Newcastle This Summer

12:24 am, Sunday, February 21st, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 30 Comments

Our Chief Scout Graham Carr hasn’t exactly had a good time of things over the last eighteen months or so with signings such as Remy Cabella, Emmanuel Riviere and Florian Thauvin – who have all been monumental flops at Newcastle and it’s likely that all three will leave Newcastle in the summer and head back to France.

That’s around £30M of money spent on those three forwards and we’ll maybe get only about £15M back.

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Graham Carr – not successful over last two years

We still can’t understand why Thauvin was brought in one year after a very similar player in skill and physique – Remy Cabella – had just failed miserably on Tyneside the season before.

Maybe that’s a good question for Lee Charnley at Monday night’s Fans Forum meeting.

One other French player who will be leaving the club this summer is Gabriel Obertan who has been out for long periods at Newcastle with injury and who we signed from Manchester United for £3M.

Gabby will become a free agent in the summer and his contract will not be renewed.

Sylvain Marveaux has been at Newcastle for five years since he joined us as a free agent from Rennes in 2011, yet he has only played 55 times for the Magpies.

Sylvain hasn’t played for the first team in two years and will definitely leave this summer, with his contract not being renewed.

Yoan Gouffran was one of five Frenchman who joined us in January three years ago to help rescue us from possible relegation and he will also be allowed to leave in the summer, even though he will still have one year to run on his contract.

So there are six Frenchmen who have signed for us in the past and not one of them has been a success on Tyneside.

Maybe it’s time for Newcastle to pay that little bit extra and bring in more English (British) players this summer?

Comments welcome.



Tags: Newcastle News · Recruitment · Scouting Network · Transfer News and Rumours · Transfer Target




30 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Silk Cut // Feb 21, 2016 at 12:37 AM

    Those 6 players will not be missed, I agree Ed bring more British players in

  • 2 beermonkey // Feb 21, 2016 at 12:40 AM

    i dont think goofy was a failure
    very willing and never moaned
    the club ruined him but payed him well

    firebug

    just having a few of these players in and around the might help some to adjust a bit quicker

    the only reason none of our ex players are welcomed is because they might speakout
    i know paul scholes has spoken out about lvg not sure whether he still is but he was coaching at the club vocal or not i bet he will always be welcome there

  • 3 Mister Tuff // Feb 21, 2016 at 12:43 AM

    Looks suspiciously like another knacker has appeared on the previous thread.

    Come on lads the decent bloggers should not be rucking when we are under attack from some knackers – vent your anger towards them.

  • 4 blew // Feb 21, 2016 at 12:44 AM

    All with the agents Mondial Sport Management, the only
    people to benefit from the 9 players Carr has brought in
    from these agents are the shareholders. Which makes me
    wonder.

  • 5 Mister Tuff // Feb 21, 2016 at 12:46 AM

    It is like the Battle of the Bulge – most folk have commented upon these troll – -funnily enough Jib has been behaving himself and not made any comment at all about these knackers -must be his guilt keeping him from commenting.

  • 6 Mister Tuff // Feb 21, 2016 at 12:47 AM

    Lesh – not a 100% sure you do “jump in” -have you ever considered a name change.

    http://www.blurryphotos.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Spring-Heeled-Jack.jpg

  • 7 Mister Tuff // Feb 21, 2016 at 12:50 AM

    Quite a few of the pathfinders/trailblazers of these idiots who are apppearing on the blog – must mostly be on their holidays – thought a few would have appeared to voice their disapproval.

  • 8 The overrated Frenchman // Feb 21, 2016 at 12:57 AM

    Would be a dream come true to see that lot packs their bags. They’ve all been basically a waste of space to varying degrees. It’s all very well signing these Frenchman because they come cheap or whatever, but most of them are overrated, or at least not suited to the PL.

  • 9 The Diamond dogs hoojars // Feb 21, 2016 at 1:24 AM

    That stupid tuft of hair Mclaren has says a hell of a lot about his personality!

    Just crop it down you daft get.

  • 10 No Defence // Feb 21, 2016 at 1:45 AM

    I really can’t believe that Marv has been here for five years, I really can’t remember the last time he kicked a ball for the club.

  • 11 JackButler // Feb 21, 2016 at 2:14 AM

    Please someone tell me that Carr is going to be shown the door in the summer as well and that he will be replaced with someone who actually knows what the hell has doing

  • 12 Veltman // Feb 21, 2016 at 2:33 AM

    JackButler
    Agree,Carr’s time is up by the looks of things in recent years.Not every scout gets it right every time but his scouting talent appears questionable of late.

  • 13 toonincheek // Feb 21, 2016 at 5:33 AM

    Obertan was not a Carr pick, AFAIR.

    Marveaux and Obertan – not big fees but wages over 5 years makes your eyes water when you consider their contribution.

    Probably we will not lose too much on Cabella, and he did give us some good performances in a struggling side.
    Thauvin is just ridiculous.

  • 14 Premiership Manager // Feb 21, 2016 at 6:13 AM

    If you look at the players who have been successful vs the player who have been a flop + the over inflated prices we have played for some players it makes a mockery of both the scouting system and our transfer policy.

    Everything we set out to achieve has been compromised by the lack of a sound football infrastructure, poor management and bad business decisions not to mention the poor ability of the club to plan successfully for the future.

    This year Ashley has put his money forward as he said he would however it has been a huge gamble based on the old adage that you need to speculate to accumulate given the loss of revenue we will suffer should the club go down. If we do go down it could be a mitigated disaster as there will be a bomb burst of players who will want to leave the club and the second rate players who blight the club will finally get their chance to play all be it at a lower level where at least they will look comfortable.

    We’ll make a profit on Sissoko, Perez, Janmaat, Mbemba, Aarons and possibly even Wijnaldum, however we are unlikely to see any profit on our latest acquisitions Shelvey, Mirovic and Townsend, or the rest of the squad who have underachieved. Worse still the squad will not be good enough to come back up which could leave us in a similar situation to that of Notts Forrest or Leeds both huge clubs who should have never dropped two divisions.

    If we manage to stay up, Ashley needs to have a board clear out and totally restructure the club. The youth system and development squad are a shambles, it should be one of the best set ups in Europe, our scouting and purchase policy are a farce and the management side of the club has far more minuses than pluses.

    If you look at the good squad players with potential V established established EPL players who could walk into any team V the also rans we have a 30/70 balance when it should be 60/40 accounting for development players. The top teams like Chelsea and City have a 75/25 structure. We are a very long way from where we need to be if Ashley wants to win something.

    We could learn a great deal from Leicester however they have one of the best managers in the world, how did we miss that opportunity not to mention players Vardy, Mahrez and Payet?

    MaClaren is a very good coach, however without the right balance in the squad and the right calibre of players to call on he’s onto a loser. I actually feel sorry for the bloke. I’m also one of the few who doesn’t think that getting rid of him will solve our problems as they run much deeper than just the manager.

    If I’d invested as much as Ashley I would be fuming as a poorly ran football club can lose money quicker than any other asset or business you could care to name.

    It’s easy for somebody to see the flaws, point them out but ultimately it’s up to Ashley to put it right, however at the moment we need unity and stability to get us the points we need to stay up, after that there needs to be clear out starting in the board room, the backroom and then of the deadwood in the dressing room.

    Give me a sacking stick, a 10% pay increase for my first year, a relocation allowance and I’d start tomorrow.

    On second thoughts, I’m a practical manager who deals with real people in the real world, making decisions how to shape and change a business so that it runs successfully, building a good business model for the future. I’d upset the board room, make people accountable and not fit within the current management structure of over paid , under achieving board we currently have. I also wouldn’t tolerate some of the antics at the club and would probably end up digging my own grave because I’d more than likely be the only person at the club who gives a damn about his job and the future of the club.

  • 15 ilovetoon8788 // Feb 21, 2016 at 6:33 AM

    Carr should also be shown the door following the flops out. most overrated scout ever.

  • 16 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 21, 2016 at 6:36 AM

    I am sure what the problems is / are with the players we scout?

    …it’s the players we buy and don’t buy that’s the problem. From where I am sitting that’s still Charnley (Ashley)

  • 17 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 21, 2016 at 7:00 AM

    *not sure

  • 18 John Akomfrah // Feb 21, 2016 at 7:05 AM

    I just dont respond now to the b,f,w.

  • 19 jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew // Feb 21, 2016 at 7:08 AM

    PM…you raise a lot of good questions, but one of them are also why we keep on appointing these poor managers!

    …there is no need to feel sorry for McC!

  • 20 Ron Knee // Feb 21, 2016 at 7:28 AM

    Morning jesper

    If/when we get relegated, why are some posters assuming we’ll continue falling into league one?

    It’s more likely we’ll muddle along in the Championship. We might even do well like Hull and Burnley. Who knows?

  • 21 Jail for Ashley // Feb 21, 2016 at 7:43 AM

    Godan dag Jéspàr 🙂
    I think this is going to be a long week regarding news.

  • 22 Jail for Ashley // Feb 21, 2016 at 7:56 AM

    Ron Knee,
    A lot of people used to say we were saved from doing a Leeds by Mike Ashley, I’ve always stated that I think we’ve got more chance of doing a Leeds under his shambolic ownership and with hindsight I don’t see how we’d be any worse off if we had, we certainly wouldn’t have the mackems boadting six in a row if we had.

  • 23 Ron Knee // Feb 21, 2016 at 8:07 AM

    Jail

    Everything depends on Ashley. Will Charmless’s head be the first to roll when we get relegated? Or will Ashley stick with him (and McClaren) for our first season in the Championship?

    I think mid-table mediocrity in the Championship is the most likely.

  • 24 one fine day // Feb 21, 2016 at 8:17 AM

    Yes these players do need moving on but that solves nothing
    Questions need to be asked as to why they were here they were here in the first place .?
    Why was Carr given an 8 year contract ffs?
    Charnley needs to be gone.
    Loved Beardsley as a player but the whole set up needs a rethink ,no more jobs for yes men .
    Moncur as a meet n greet is ok ( does serve to embarrass me though as it illustrates just how long since we won anything of note) but should be no where near anything that effects what happens on the pitch .
    We dodged the bullet last year because three teams were worse .
    This year I don’t think we have the worse players in the league by a long way at least technically .
    They just seem to have huge character flaws which is worrying .
    Put that with 4 or 5 actually not in there most natural positions and it’s no wonder confidence is low and we set up to defend/ not loose .
    Defend ? Well I think a loose term for what I see of us in games
    And this year there will be Gutierrez to come to the rescue .
    Hard to see us getting anything in the next few games and nothing I have seen coming out this week in the sun makes me feel any different

  • 25 Harley // Feb 21, 2016 at 10:15 AM

    I think out of those players the only decent signing was Goufran. Considering he was around 1 million I think he was good value for money.
    The others have been a waste of time, space and money.

  • 26 The American // Feb 21, 2016 at 1:38 PM

    Ed

    Calling Gouffran a complete flop may be a little harsh. After all, his prime directive in the buy was to help us survive the season we bought him. He scored a decent amount of goals and was no small factor as to why we survived. Ever since he has been a loyal and hard working servant if the club who in for 1M £. Quite similar to Mike Williamson, a man who just left the club and you lamented his exit. The others are fair to call flops as they haven’t performed to standard. However, paying out extra money for British players is only acceptable if they are proven commodities. If they fail to pan out you could be seeing even less bang for your buck than the Frenchmen.

  • 27 posada // Feb 21, 2016 at 2:03 PM

    There’s something not right about the set up with Carr. He would not have this influence at any other club.
    Can’t understand why Ashley never holds him to account for stupid buys.

  • 28 chuck // Feb 21, 2016 at 5:55 PM

    How can any0ne claim Marveaux was failure when he was never given the opportunity to prove otherwise ?

  • 29 chuck // Feb 21, 2016 at 5:58 PM

    I might add, by some of the worst manager/ coaches ever seen in Newcastle, who hadve/had no idea what to do with flair players.

  • 30 benjohnsen // Feb 21, 2016 at 7:48 PM

    I love when people have the discussion British vs. non-British players. It is completely irrelevant. We have plenty of English players who hasn’t been good enough for Newcastle and plenty of foreigners.

    The foreign players we buy are not exactly the elite of foreign players coming into this country. Why do you think players like Aguero, Hazard, Costa, Da Silva, Sanchez and Ozil doesn’t play for Newcastle? These are real stars and we used to fight for these signatures.

    I remember we fought for Alonso at the time. Think about it. If you buy good foreign players it will also cost money, but it will also return alot.




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