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Newcastle’s Answer To Why No Accountability For Failure

5:52 pm, Thursday, February 25th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 64 Comments

We have just read through the questions and answers from the minutes of the Fans Forum meeting on Monday night and we have to say they are very disappointing.

The questions are not really being answered in any substantial way, but rather they are high level responses which basically end up saying – things are really OK.

A good example is with Newcastle doing so poorly and missing targets right left and center recently,  why is there no accountability for failure at the club.


Lee Charnley – Newcastle’s Managing Director

Taylor Payne (TP) asked this very good question on accountability and noted the only manager that has been fired is Chris Hughton and most fans though Chris did a great job for us in the 18 months he was in charge.



TP: “Why is there seemingly no price for failure at NUFC. For a number of years now the club’s own targets have been failed to be met by those tasked with ensuring they do both at a coaching and boardroom level.

The only person to lose their job at NUFC in the last eight years at these levels was the one man who achieved his target and that was Chris Hughton.

This worrying trend is mirrored in the playing staff, where poor performances by so-called big name players are rewarded by another start for the first team due to a lack of options and depth in certain areas.

How does the club expect to improve when there is seemingly no price or consequence for underachievement?”


The club believes the squad now has strong options in most positions, enabling changes in team selection to be made where the head coach sees appropriate.

The club outlined its work to achieve a stable base, which it believes will help it to realise its aims in the medium and long term.

It was stated that frank discussions do go on internally and that the club’s models and systems are continually challenged in order to understand why targets aren’t reached.

The club identifies where it has gone wrong and then works towards the solutions.


Can somebody tell us where they answer the question that there seems no accountability at the club?

That’s hardly an answer to the question.

We don’t like to be too harsh, but at a first read through of the Fans Forum minutes this answer is very typical of the high level answers the club gives – which don’t really address the good questions being asked.

The word that comes to mind is whitewash.

Here are the minutes.

Comments welcome.

Tags: Fans · Fans Forum · Newcastle Fans · Newcastle News · Premier League

64 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Mister Tuff // Feb 25, 2016 at 5:59 PM

    Ed – agreed a whitewash job.

  • 2 Jib // Feb 25, 2016 at 6:03 PM

    The Ronnie Gill’s take on the forum

  • 3 Dime Bar // Feb 25, 2016 at 6:04 PM

    Is there any point to a fans forum as it seems nothing of any substance was asked or answered?

  • 4 firebug666 // Feb 25, 2016 at 6:26 PM

    So having just read the entire minutes from the FF meeting, it seem that yet again we are left with more questions than answers.

    The club NEVER give a straight answer to a question, but waffle and fluff their way around them.

    It seems that the FF is just a spinning wheel revisiting old questions that were never answered to receive another none answer, and new questions glossed over.

    However one thing we do know, if we get relegated the club have absolutely no contingency plans in place, as far as they are concerned it won’t happen so lets do nothing about that.

    “Incompetence”… Is an understatement.

  • 5 croftus5678 // Feb 25, 2016 at 6:32 PM

    would knowing who’s at fault for our poor results help us ?

    if so i could prob help on this side of things ! lemme see now *caugh

    lets start with erm…the lack of quality cb’s ! yes mbemba was brought in and this improved us by 1 decent cb over last year ! tbf that is a step in the right direction just not enough of a step imo so slight blame lies here.

    next the manager and his tactics who have not always got it right ! i’m not going to jump on him as a lot of the times i dont see a problem and he plays mostly positive but on a few occasions he’s got it wrong so again slight blame there.

    next is the creativity and goals ! not great here imo not the worst mind just a little under avg and tbf this is one area we have improved on with shelvey and townsend ! so problem a little to blame but not anymore imo as its been addressed.

    lastly and mostly to blame is imo our stupidity at defending or lack of it which i can honestly say imo makes up for 80% of the blame and if we had avg defenders we would be no where near our current position imo as i’m pretty sure every person out there even if they do not play footy would know to close someone down or to not let a person have an easy shot or to turn their backs on an advancing player.

    their sorted 😉

  • 6 toon kk // Feb 25, 2016 at 6:39 PM

    It all boils down to the idiots in charge of the club totally lacking football knowledge and turning a blind eye to genuine issues or genuinely thinking were fine when we’ve clearly not.

  • 7 Jail for Ashley // Feb 25, 2016 at 6:40 PM

    What is it trying to achieve ?

  • 8 Ian Toon // Feb 25, 2016 at 6:43 PM


    Read the latest updates


    The latest meeting of the Newcastle United Fans Forum has taken place at St. James’ Park and we have now posted all the discussion points and updates online for all supporters to read.

    For those who aren’t familiar with the Fans Forum, it is a group which includes 15 supporters – each representing a specific area of our diverse fan base – and members of the club’s board and senior management team.

    The Forum meets during the season to discuss all areas which affect supporters, with on and off-field matters debated around the table. You can find out more about it here.

    The latest meeting featured discussions around the club’s current league position, with the club outlining the work going on behind the scenes to address it – including just why a recent first team training camp in La Manga could be so important.

    The meeting minutes also confirm that the club did look to add strength to defensive and offensive positions in the January transfer window, with the club adding that talks will be resumed in the summer to bring a number of targets to Tyneside.

    Meanwhile, the club disclosed that there have been significant changes to its proposed new training centre building, with a “superior facility” now planned.

    To find out more on all of the above and to read updates on tickets, facilities and a new project which will see Fans Forum members helping to shape the club’s new digital platform, please take a look at the meeting minutes here.

    Best wishes,

    Lee Marshall
    PR and supporter liaison manager
    Newcastle United

  • 9 firebug666 // Feb 25, 2016 at 6:45 PM

    Toon KK

    Unfortunately we can do nothing about those idiots, as i said above mate:

    “Incompetence”… Is an understatement.

    This lot running our club are well beyond mere incompetence, they are sailing directly at the ice berg, they can see it looming up closer and closer, but are they worried, of cause not; we are unsinkable they have told us so!

  • 10 firebug666 // Feb 25, 2016 at 6:48 PM

    Jail @7

    I have no idea mate.

  • 11 WWSBRD // Feb 25, 2016 at 6:50 PM

    Problem is if the members question too much they are removed so they have to put up with this level of ‘answers’

    Are other fans meetings similar to this? From other clubs I mean?

  • 12 Jail for Ashley // Feb 25, 2016 at 6:50 PM

    Lee Marshall is a lying smoggy tw@t!

  • 13 firebug666 // Feb 25, 2016 at 6:51 PM


    I would be removed then, because I would ask them the important questions and demand full answers. 😀

  • 14 ROSHAN MAGPIE // Feb 25, 2016 at 6:57 PM

    this club is rotten only good thing about this club are supporters but too much deadwood we deserve to be relegated

  • 15 AncientC // Feb 25, 2016 at 6:58 PM

    How could the club not have discussed what happens to the training complex, in a scenario where the club gets relegated.

    Imagine if the club does go down at the end of the season, then some bright spark comes up with the idea that the training complex being finished would increase the clubs chances of gaining promotion from the Championship. A few phone calls are made to see if the training complex can be finished before the start of the season… with the resulting answer being a no.

    It would be understandable if they stalled the training complex to help finance a bounce straight back up – should the worst happen. The fact they don’t know because they haven’t discussed it, is very telling.

    Hubris – the new club strategy.

  • 16 BandB // Feb 25, 2016 at 7:06 PM

    The only thing that’s surprising about the Fans’ Forum is that people set any store by it.
    Each time it is the same. “When’s the Fans’ Forum?” is the inquiry for months in advance, and there’s impatient anticipation of the minutes being published.
    And each time it is a damp squid. A litany of toothless questions that bear no relationship to the Newcastle-related topics that have been exercising everyone else, from pundits to bloggers.
    Part of the trouble is that the members have accepted the club making it clear they are in a privileged position that can be withdrawn. They ask questions from a “by your leave, sir” mindset.
    Mark Douglas suggests there was no question on McClaren’s performance because the club didn’t want to be dragooned into giving him a vote of confidence.
    What a delightfully helpful spin!
    Common sense seems to suggest the question wasn’t aired because the matter is, like everything else, not in question.

  • 17 toon kk // Feb 25, 2016 at 7:07 PM

    K honestly think our so called board and MA are in for some home truths come the end of the season, we will be relegated I just can’t see us surviving.
    All we can say is what did they expect?

  • 18 Dime Bar // Feb 25, 2016 at 7:17 PM

    So the basically the fans forum isn’t fit for purpose?

  • 19 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Feb 25, 2016 at 7:20 PM


    Nufc isn’t fit for purpose. Mashley has made us a joke.

  • 20 banjax // Feb 25, 2016 at 7:25 PM

    In answer to Ed’s question, the gobbledygook of a reply is because of the ineptitude of the board’s own Chairman Lee Charnley to take decisive action on replacing the manager and taking control of who scouts and recommends buying talent. So what we get is non specific reply to searching questions that need honest, accurate and blunt answers for supporters who are agonising over their club. The current regime do not deserve the support they get from us and they know it, but in reality we all know we won’t desert the club we love and that my friends is where the board know they have us !

  • 21 BandB // Feb 25, 2016 at 7:28 PM

    I’m not surprised at all to see the club waving away any notion of relegation.
    The doctrine of dodging tricky questions comes right from the very top.
    These people seem to genuinely believe that if they put all their efforts into keeping up a granite edifice of obfuscation and evasion the battle is won, and the points we actually need to stay up are an irrelevance.

  • 22 firebug666 // Feb 25, 2016 at 7:28 PM

    Deserting the club is never an option, Making life uncomfortable for those idiots in charge and Mr Ashley however is.

  • 23 Jail for Ashley // Feb 25, 2016 at 7:35 PM

    You try and give them the benefit of the doubt and they come up with something like that. Like Ed said, that one about CH didn’t even vaguely resemble an answer to the question, it does grate when the most popular manager we’ve had since SBR (KK excepted) was ruthlessly fired while we sat in tenth or whatever it was yet his successors have had some abysmal runs and results yet are allowed to continue

  • 24 BandB // Feb 25, 2016 at 7:44 PM


    What do you expect them to say?
    “The owner wished to the introduce employment and commercial practices that made him undisputed King of the Discount Warehouse, and Mr Hughton lacked the necessary conviction that it would be as easy as falling off a log?”

  • 25 Ian Toon // Feb 25, 2016 at 7:58 PM

    Jail- Re CH. Maybe because it was a statement by TP and not a question. It therefore didn’t require a specific response.
    As such it can simply be viewed as an opinion.
    ” Why is it that” -( Restated ) that – and then direct question on CH.
    would have required a direct response.
    It could of course not been correctly reported in the minutes.
    It’s something Uni students employ when asking questions of visiting so called dignatories/ politicians etc.

  • 26 Jail for Ashley // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:01 PM

    I don’t think they could come up with an answer and that’s why we had gobbledygook, as much as I enjoyed the fifth place season I honestly think it’s the worst thing that could have happened to us as it totally vindicated getting shot of CH.

  • 27 Dime Bar // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:07 PM

    Man Utd have the kids in they are gonna get thrashed

  • 28 Jail for Ashley // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:08 PM

    I always thought why and how were questions and therefore should be answered with relevant answers.

  • 29 Ian Toon // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:09 PM

    Ask BandB to explain it to you. I am watching football.

  • 30 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:10 PM

    The FF is far from a damp squib. It’s a little window in time on the people who run the club. Each time it shines a spotlight on the club’s arrogance, complacency and incompetence. I really believe the club hierarchy thinks it’s doing a sound, professional job and it’s genuinely surprised by events on the pitch. Charnley and Co have no idea that they should’ve strengthened in other areas long ago. They wouldn’t be in this mess if they had listened to the fans, but they still don’t get it. And saying they are confident of avoiding relegation is crass stupidity. Incredible. You couldn’t make it up.

  • 31 Jail for Ashley // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:14 PM

    I still don’t know who makes the footballing decisions on player recruitment.

  • 32 Jail for Ashley // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:16 PM

    Ian Toon,
    I don’t need to, despite my lack of a degree I know what a question is!

  • 33 Blackley and Brownlie // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:20 PM

    Knowing how the club answer question, the FF should take a fifferent approach. I’d love to ask “Who in this room has experience, expertise and competence in running a successful football club and what do they know about achieving footballing success?”

  • 34 bettyswallocks // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:25 PM

    Dime Bar….. Yeah you’re right. I agree. Good point well made mate.

  • 35 Jail for Ashley // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:26 PM

    It would have taken another three days to publish if someone asked that?

  • 36 welshgeordie9 // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:27 PM

    Right with the FF out of the way, lets concentrate in getting Pardew back to our club.

  • 37 Dime Bar // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:28 PM

    welshgeordie9 you cannot be serious?

  • 38 Jail for Ashley // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:29 PM

    How do you know that Dime bar is the shite house Rob Vollans etc does that mean every new poster is a fraud. Is it a closed shop on here now?

  • 39 Jail for Ashley // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:29 PM

    Why do you do it?

  • 40 Dime Bar // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:31 PM

    Jail for Ashley That is not my name, I’m new that is all and bettyswallocks decided to lay into me!

  • 41 Dime Bar // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:34 PM

    nice goal for the Danish team

  • 42 Dime Bar // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:38 PM

    lucky goal from man utd

  • 43 BandB // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:38 PM


    You are showing admirable commitment in persevering in the face of such insinuation on a blog you only discovered at the weekend.
    I know a bloke used to post updates to a blog he had nowt to do with just hours after heart surgery.
    We’ve missed that type of pluck.

  • 44 welshgeordie9 // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:40 PM


    Do what.

  • 45 hibbitt // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:42 PM

    dime bar = chancel = vollens = WUM= TROLL

  • 46 welshgeordie9 // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:42 PM

    Jail are you picking on our newbie.

  • 47 BandB // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:43 PM

    Dime Bar is Rab Emid spelled backwards.
    Taps side of nose.

  • 48 Dime Bar // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:44 PM

    BandB I am here to have a decent discussion with like minded people, I’m not here to be laid into and be accused of being some idiot who used to cause trouble on here. I understand from Tsunki that the timing of my arrival is not good but I can assure you and everyone else that I found this website at the weekend and decided it would be a nice website to join.

  • 49 Jib // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:45 PM

    I’m Spartacus

  • 50 Jail for Ashley // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:45 PM

    Your stupidity has no limits!

  • 51 BandB // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:45 PM

    It used to be Rab.

  • 52 bettyswallocks // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:47 PM

    Jail….. I just know. If you want to give him the benefit of the doubt then that’s your choice.

  • 53 BandB // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:47 PM

    You are Jib.
    …….Can someone crucify that man!?

  • 54 Dime Bar // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:47 PM

    Do I have to provide my Passport, drivers license and National insurance number just to be accepted or is everyone just gonna treat me like something from the bottom of their shoe?

  • 55 welshgeordie9 // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:49 PM


    Thanks for the compliment, you don’t realise it takes years of training.

    Ha ha ha

  • 56 welshgeordie9 // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:50 PM

    Dime Bar

    You say what you like, don’t let anyone stop you.

  • 57 Jib // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:52 PM

    Just your sort code and a/c number will do

  • 58 Dime Bar // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:53 PM

    Jib I think not 🙂

  • 59 bettyswallocks // Feb 25, 2016 at 8:53 PM

    Jail….. I’m disappointed in you. Thought you were a bit more worldly than that last comment. Use your heed for more than a means of keeping your ears apart man.

  • 60 Mag52 // Feb 25, 2016 at 9:01 PM


    While I can agree with you about Hoots, you can’t go firing managers for bad runs of results.
    These can happen for various reasons, from a sequence of injuries to the team,or, due to the luck of the draw, a particularly tough series of matches. Several clubs go through them during a season. It’s how you come out of the bad run, and where you finish in the division which counts.

  • 61 terencelim // Feb 25, 2016 at 9:02 PM

    The board doesn’t bother the way they answer because they knew in the end there are always Ashley ass lickers do the PR for them.

  • 62 jimmysmith // Feb 25, 2016 at 9:11 PM

    “Newcastle don’t do knee jerk reactions”. That is apparently true and in the main an admirable approach, but the period of no spending then suddenly full throttle spending is the cause of this dissonant form and lack of points, and I’m sorry to say, no one actually thinks we aren’t in real peril as a result, no matter what the club might say.

  • 63 Jib // Feb 25, 2016 at 9:12 PM

    The only time I have ever had a truly WTF moment when a Toon manager was sacked was that Tuesday when Chris Hughton got the chop out of the blue.
    He was really personable and a hell of a good communicator.

    I think there were two main factors that contributed to his sacking.
    1 He was perceived as being too soft with the big personality players at the club.
    2 He was perceived as not being ready for the PL.
    His subsequent experience at Norwich City seemed to bear out point 2.
    As for point 1 I think we’ll have to wait for some autobiographies to come out to find out what really happened.

  • 64 Ian Toon // Feb 25, 2016 at 9:30 PM

    Before the Liverpool game the rumour was that Macca had two games to save his job. Those games were at home to Liverpool and away to Spurs so not surprisingly many On here saw him as a dead man walking. Well surprise, surprise we won two on the trot which hasn’t happened too often in recent times. Ashley has never shown an inclination to pull the trigger too rapidly anyway but it signified a reprieve for Macca. Well were back to growing rumours again. Is there anything to change that view of an imminent sacking? Well arguably not as were in the bottom three.
    Mind, unless we really bomb at Stoke and don’t win at home to Bournemouth , it’d be a surprised if Macca didn’t get to see the season out with his new players. Though surprises have been Ashley’s stock in trade and often when you least expect them. What a waste of time anyway, trying to guess the plan of someone who probably doesn’t have one.

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