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Latest Betting Odds On Who Will Replace McClaren

7:51 am, Tuesday, March 8th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 141 Comments

Former Everton and Manchester United manager David Moyes has odds of 11/8 at Ladbrokes to become the next manager at St James’ Park, assuming Steve McClaren is finally given the sack today.

The news is that one man on the Board is reluctant to fire McClaren and that man is thought to be Managing Director Lee Charnley who has protected McClaren all season long, even with Newcastle now second bottom of the league.

Why?

david moyes

David Moyes – while at Manchester United

David was long thought to be the perfect manager for Newcastle after the fine work he did at Everton for 11 years from 2002, when he didn´t have much money to spend in the transfer market and yet often had the Toffees in the top six.

Former Leicester manager Nigel Pearson is in as second favorite at 11/4 and he was at Newcastle from 2006 for about 18 months as assistant manager and the 52 year-old did a remarkable job last season in saving Leicester City from relegation, before he was fired in the summer.

The next two in the betting are two former Liverpool managers in 43 year-old Brendan Rodgers and 55 year-old Rafael Benitez are each at 9/2 to take over the troubled Newcastle club.

The fifth favorite is 69 year-old Harry Redknapp, who would likely come in only on  a temporary basis through the end of the season.

Here is the latest betting on Ladbrokes.

David Moyes  11/8
Nigel Pearson  11/4
Rafa Benetiz 9/2
Brendan Rodgers 9/2

And here is a poll we are conducting on who Newcastle fans want in the job.

Which Of The Following Available Managers Do You Want At Newcastle?

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Comments welcome.



Tags: Coaching · Management · Newcastle News · Prayer · Premier League




141 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Tsunki // Mar 8, 2016 at 7:52 AM

    McLaren Out!

  • 2 Tsunki // Mar 8, 2016 at 7:53 AM

    …and give Ashley a lift to the train station..

  • 3 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Mar 8, 2016 at 7:54 AM

    Another 24hrs have passed and still F**k-all done.

    Like to see a club run where season ticket holders can also become shareholders who can have a say and can ask for an extraordinary meeting to vote management off the board

    Never happen

    YEAH – charmless is against McClown being sack – cos he was the man that chased him for six months and if McClown is sacked then Charmless would have to go. GO the bloody pair of you and take Carr with you

  • 4 firebug666 // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:00 AM

    Repost

    Lil

    All newspapers by enlarge sensationalise their stories, but to get so much wrong in one article……

    But that’s the gutter press for you!

    On the club:

    When have the club ever done anything the fans wanted, or when have they ever told us what is going on?

    They avoid passing on information to the fans as long as possible, even though they keep saying we are all in this together, they still create an us and them scenario.

    The real crux is they know that it is them that have fcuked this club up not us, they know we are demanding answers from them, but they are unwilling to admit their failure.

  • 5 chicousa // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:00 AM

    McLaren Out! Please!!!!

  • 6 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:00 AM

    What is the point of these Polls Ed?

    Nothing will change until Ashley walks…. Its blowing hot air this its pointless….

  • 7 WWSBRD // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:07 AM

    We also need an actual board, a real DoF, huge cash into the youth set up, coaches for every level in the club and those ever dangled training centres

  • 8 banjax // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:16 AM

    McLaren will be sacked before the next game. But choosing the right man to replace him is even more important. There’s a lot of work to do in that area, work that should have been laid down weeks ago, it’s called contingency planning. Even Mike Ashley knows that if McLaren is still in charge for Leicester he loses another 3 points in the relegation battle and more importantly, he loses the trademark large attendances for next home games due to boycott. Another fine mess !

  • 9 Lilongwe Geordie // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:19 AM

    Firebug,
    I don’t think them making an announcement has anything to do with keeping the fans informed. Telling us who exactly awaited to keep him, and why would be for the fans, but the statement would reduce the number of rumours and rumblings of things happening behind the scene which would allow Macca, his staff and the players to get on with it knowing where each stands and without media chatter undermining everything.

    It would essentially be the last role of the dice for the club if they decided to keep him.

  • 10 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:19 AM

    If Ashley decides to continue with this charade that it is up to his phoney board. the best we can hope for is a Cheshire Cat grin and a thumbs up from him on the final day again.

    Does anyone have any enthusiasm for another season of this?

    If McClaren is backed it will be pointless screaming for him to be sacked any longer. He will need support.

    Instead the ground should aim all that fury at Mike Ashley and Sports Direct, in who’s interests every single thing is done.

    Can’t get satisfaction? Take it up with the boss.

  • 11 Lilongwe Geordie // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:20 AM

    *who exactly wanted to keep him….. Not sure how I managed to type awaited there, it has been a long few days….

  • 12 lochinvar // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:22 AM

    If everything isn’t black and white, I say why the hell not?
    John Wayne

    Odds on him getting the job aren’t great but suggest his picture and quote are painted on the Managers wall and in the dressing room

  • 13 sing in the corner // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:23 AM

    Time is of the essence. You would think the club would be aware of that. Whatever they’re gonna do they need to do it quick. As each hour / day goes by there’s less time to begin to sort it out. It makes me think that there is a choice of 2 outcomes…either they are finalising his replacement yesterday or today, or gonna keep him til the bitter end.
    It’s telling that there has been no statement of support for SM by anyone within the club.

  • 14 WWSBRD // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:23 AM

    BandB
    I second that

    As for being up for another season of this honestly I find the idea of us next season incredibly draining

  • 15 lochinvar // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:24 AM

    If everything isn’t black and white, I say why the hell not?
    John Wayne

    Odds on him getting the job aren’t great but I suggest that his picture and quote are painted onto the walls of the Managers office and the changing room

  • 16 magscar // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:24 AM

    So nothing new. It occurs to me that following the crowd reaction on Sat, FF open letter and all the speculation on TV radio and press that if they intended to retain McClaren then there is nothing to gain by not announcing that the soonest. Delaying annoucement will not make the news anymore palatable -in fact it will only ramp up the adverse reaction. Surely If Bishop is advising Ashley he isn’t counselling as it is the Mackems who are next up at home tribalism will trump any residual bad feeling against McClaren!!! The match could see the support go into meltdown. I was at Gullit’s suicidal game against Mackems and that atmosphere is certain to be surpassed .

    My head and my heart are telling me delay has to be because there are crucial negotiations on going and as usual (and not unreasonably) the Club are keeping it fully under wraps.

    Even if that is so, of course we all realise that any such negotiations are taking place in a minefield which at any moment could blow up.

    There are for me 2 nightmare scenarios

    In the absence of any viable candidates they can persuade to join the circus McClaren gets a reprieve until the summer.

    Or, they realise that is going to be pouring petrol on the fire and go for a Carveresque appointment from inside or even outside just for changes sake.

    Not sure if I can waste more time today checking here, on Newsnow, SSN in forelorn hope that there will be news of the good type hopefully. What it is to be blessed with supporting NUFC 🙁

  • 17 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:27 AM

    Lil

    People get 99.9 per cent of their information about the world from “media chatter.”
    Or does your information fall out of the sky into your head?
    You seem to have a deep seated problem with it, though understanding spin is far more central to understanding the way our club is run than earnest analysis of what football people would do. We have have no football people taking decisions.
    Why not stick to the football analysis?
    Horses for courses.

  • 18 hibbitt // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:31 AM

    lochinvar
    david craig lives in yarm think he lives in durham Mc lives in yarm

  • 19 sparky55 // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:32 AM

    This played out the same way at Chelsea…I reckon the delay is simply down to negotiating the settlement of Maclarens contract.

    In Macca’s delusional mind he’ll be saying you haven’t given me enough time to realise the plan therefore you should pay up my contract in full.

    Ashley hates giving anyone a single penny for failure…he doesn’t do it anywhere else in his business empires and doesn’t get why managers and footballers should get paid for failure either…so I think this is all about negotiating his release because he won’t resign through principle and greed.

  • 20 Lilongwe Geordie // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:34 AM

    BandB,
    Sorry, what is that related to?

  • 21 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:35 AM

    From the start it’s been the ex-pros and the managers who have failed to grasp what’s going oat our club. Embarrassingly so.
    That’s because they have their footballing heads shoved so far up their footballing backsides it wouldn’t occur to them that their are people running this club who absolutely don’t care about anything to do with football.

  • 22 RonVanDam // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:40 AM

    I swear this club is run by incompetent idiots. No wonder we are lingering at the bottom of the league.
    As for Moyes, it wont be much of an upgrade to SM. Of the 4 avail, taking into account the long term stabilty of the club, i would rank them as follows:
    Rodgers
    Pearson
    Benetiz
    Moyes

  • 23 Lilongwe Geordie // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:40 AM

    BandB,
    I presume you are talking of my post to Firebug regarding an announcement from the club on what is going on? Not sure what relevance your point has to mine.

    The club would be better off making the announcement which would reduce the number of articles relating to him being replaced and would let all know where we stand.

    What this has to do with where 99.9% of the world get their information from is unclear.

  • 24 ravz09 // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:43 AM

    Mclaren arrives through a back door to take training! Wtf

  • 25 Lilongwe Geordie // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:43 AM

    That in’t saying I want them to keep him, more that the longer this situation festers, the more damaging it is to our chances of staying up. I’d rather see him replaced, but in the event that they aren’t going to an announcement from the club is required.

  • 26 RonVanDam // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:47 AM

    This is a good read
    http://www.themag.co.uk/2016/03/im-an-aston-villa-fan-but-i-come-in-peace-newcastle-united/?

  • 27 cyprus // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:50 AM

    Having gone through the anger and the fire them all stage, I’m not quite sure myself what is right to do. This guy maybe should have been fired by Xmas. But now with ten games remaining no one could have a chance to properly assess what we have and turn it around.
    Perhaps a wily tactician can be introduced to the team. We’ve done the panic thing with Shearer.
    Ed, your favourite coach may yet save us 🙂 he’s on an amazing run himself.

  • 28 davetoon // Mar 8, 2016 at 8:54 AM

    @sparky55 God I hope you are right about the delay being negotiations on settlement for McLaren

  • 29 Veltman // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:06 AM

    Sparky is right.That’s exactly my thoughts too.
    Can’t help but McLaren being a board member may make matters complicated.

  • 30 firebug666 // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:08 AM

    David Moyes is set to be named Newcastle United’s next manager as they prepare to sack Steve McClaren.

    The former Manchester United manager is keen to return to the Premier League and seems set to accept the role after talks.

    According to The Sun, Moyes is happy to take the role despite a rival offer from Celtic as he wants to return to the Premier League.

    Moyes looks a solid replacement for the Magpies, with the Scot having worked well with limited resources during his time in charge of Everton.

    Meanwhile, McClaren’s exit is expected to be confirmed in the next 48 hours, with the Guardian reporting he’s as good as gone.

  • 31 AncientC // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:09 AM

    McClaren has left the training ground. Looks like phase 1 is done.

  • 32 ilovetoon8788 // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:11 AM

    Mclaren has apparently left the training ground after less than an hour.

  • 33 ilovetoon8788 // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:13 AM

    I have very little faith in Moyes. But if he comes in I’ll support like what I did with mclaren. We are relegation fodders and can’t expect world class managers.

    If we can stabilise as a bottom half club under moyes for 1 or 2 seasons that would be fine.

  • 34 firebug666 // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM

    I will support any manager we get as long as he does his job, if he fails that’s a different story.

    Moyes is not one of my choices, but he will get my backing.

  • 35 Laurent Robert 32 // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:22 AM

    Ancient and ilove, where did you hear that? Twitter? Twitter on my temporary phone is off at the minute so I can’t check.

  • 36 Goldmbemba // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:23 AM

    here we go!

    ‘The former England manager turned up at the training ground but left shortly after.

    According to reports he was there for under an hour and left through a back door to avoid being photographed.’

  • 37 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:24 AM

    Sparky

    ” Ashley hates giving anyone a single penny for failure…he doesn’t do it anywhere else in his business empires and doesn’t get why managers and footballers should get paid for failure either”

    And yet Ash employs carr and charnley who have wasted millions on perma crocks

    Marveaux
    Obertan
    Riviere
    De Jong
    Haidara

    and more flops like

    Cabella
    Thauvin

    and 2 promising youngsters (kemen especially) from the academy sold for peanuts.

    No wonder Charnley wants SM to stay, they are both complicit and mired in mediocrity and lack of imagination.

  • 38 Goldmbemba // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:26 AM

    George Graham has said that no respectable manager will take over.

    I think he’s got a point, and therefore i wouldnt be surprised if an incoming manager would sign til the end of the season and then take stock. Its a massive gamble for any of the ‘big’ names on the list.

    The only one we’ve been linked who might sign on and be prepared to stay in the championship is Pearson. The others see it as a poison chalice.

  • 39 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:28 AM

    absolutely the least preferred choice of the fans Moyes is nailed on. Ash has never listened to the fans so I guess he was never going to start with making an uplifting exciting appointment now.

  • 40 Lilongwe Geordie // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:28 AM

    Laurent,
    Luke Edwards tweeted it.

  • 41 lesh // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:29 AM

    Why is McClaren to state his case? Because they’re frightened he’ll hit them in court.

  • 42 AncientC // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:29 AM

    McClaren didn’t leave training after all, it was his driver… false alarm. Sigh.

  • 43 ochytoon // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:30 AM

    Pete Graves of sky sports has said he’s 100% still at the training ground and Luke Edwards has gone back on what he claimed

  • 44 firebug666 // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:30 AM

    Taylor and Besty ?@TaylorandBesty 49s50 seconds ago
    Taylor and Besty Retweeted The Chronicle
    In out in out shake it all about, you do the Steve McClaren and you turn around, that’s what it’s all about… Taylor and Besty added,

    The Chronicle @ChronicleNUFC
    Further update: McClaren didn’t leave training ground. Club say he WILL take training

  • 45 AncientC // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:30 AM

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-live-steve-mcclaren-11006096

  • 46 firebug666 // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:31 AM

    Mark Douglas ?@MsiDouglas 1m1 minute ago
    Mark Douglas Retweeted Chris Waugh
    Car-gate Mark Douglas added,
    Chris Waugh @ChrisDHWaugh
    McClaren is still at training ground – car has left, he is still there. Club say he will still take training:

  • 47 nut meg // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:32 AM

    SM is still at the training ground…….luke edwards tweeted

  • 48 Laurent Robert 32 // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:32 AM

    Lilo, cheers.

  • 49 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:33 AM

    Luke needs to put his phone down.

    Moyes could stabilise us in the bottom half, working within the constraints, then move on with his reputation restored. We could then find another Moyes.

    It’s the vision thing 🙁

  • 50 Goldmbemba // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:33 AM

    Actually, I fully expect it to be pearson. Here’s the reasoning:

    – he’s got most to gain from taking the job,
    – he’s probably the most willing
    – the cheapest
    – the least ambitious appointment (consistent with the Ashley era)

    IF BigMac’n’Cheese does go, who would take over whilst they search for a new manager? Steve would take Paul Simpson and the rest of the BigMac travelling circus with him presumably.

    Meaning we’d be left with Peter Beardsley in charge?
    – likely to stay if we go down

  • 51 ToonRich // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:33 AM

    Remember it was Moyes who gave Rooney his debut, perhaps he can bring Arma through in the same way & get the best from him. He’s worked well under restricted budgets before, and has PL experience, so that has to have some merit?!

    He’s not my first choice, but I dont think he can be any worse than SM!

  • 52 21st Century Schizoid Man // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:34 AM

    Iantoon

    Put your crayons away.
    The explanation on attendances is that Toon fans still live in hope. It really is as simple as that.

  • 53 Goldmbemba // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:36 AM

    @ToonRich

    I think the thing with Moyes is, can he handle a relegation dogfight? Were Everton ever at risk during his time there? Cant remember…

  • 54 21st Century Schizoid Man // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:40 AM

    Don’t you think it is the ultimate humiliation to have to take training and then be sacked ?
    He knows, the players know, yet they have to got through a meaningless and embarrassing charade.
    I wouldn’t wish that on Tufty. Or the players. What a waste of time.

    Again, it points to Charnley’s abysmal understanding of people management and appalling indecisiveness. He has to be next for the push.

  • 55 toon kk // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:41 AM

    IF which is a big IF any other manager does come in will he save us? I don’t think so.
    Our squad is too weak to compete in the premier league.

  • 56 Lilongwe Geordie // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:42 AM

    GoldMbemba,
    Moyes took over when Everton were in a relegation fight sometime after the halfway mark in the season. He kept them up.

  • 57 21st Century Schizoid Man // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:42 AM

    Goldmbmemba

    He’s a Weegie !

    http://toffeeweb.com/club/managers/moyes.php

  • 58 John Akomfrah // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:43 AM

    Look at it this way a loss against both leceister and the makems with the Wally in charge this shit will most definitely hit the fan .there will be riots

  • 59 toon kk // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:47 AM

    Pity we couldn’t sack half of our squad as well, useless a holes.

  • 60 AncientC // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:49 AM

    21st, sacking him after training would be abhorrently dispicable. It reminds me of a Tibetan sky burial.

  • 61 firebug666 // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:49 AM

    My guess would be that if he is taking the training (and he is) then he will be staying, if he was being sacked and he knew it he would be off, so I guess he has some assurances from the board that he still has a job.

  • 62 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:52 AM

    I think McClaren looked at Pardew, who swallowed the rubbish in order to re-establish himself as a premier league manager, and thought “if he can do it, I can.”

    I hope Moyes isn’t thinking the same. I hope whoever they are sounding out is insisting on some serious changes to the job description and not thinking they can survive a couple of years in the same hole.

  • 63 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:54 AM

    If a new manager had said yes on Sunday it would have been cause for alarm.
    I hope the guy who gets the job is playing hardball.

  • 64 Whumpie // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:56 AM

    My guess is that they’re finalising terms with a replacement – probably someone not on the list in this article – and Schteve will be gone tomorrow. It’s sad because he’s a genuine bloke (nice change after Pardew) but not what we need. The league doesn’t lie.

    I’m actually optimistic right now for two reasons:
    1. That was an awesome coffee I just had
    2. Because the club showed a positive, if badly executed, change in tack over the last two windows, we may be able to attract a good manager.
    The massive spanner in that theory is the word “manager”. Nobody worth his salt will take a head coach role with Carr calling the big shots. Will they re-structure this time and give a new guy the whole job?

  • 65 Slank // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:56 AM

    21st @ 57

    That’s a very good link to Moyes’ career.

    The question is whether the Toon fans would give him 11 years like they did at Everton. In most of his time at Everton they were consistently in the top half but there were no trophies to show for it.

    Given that we have not won a trophy for nearly 47 years I suppose it is something that we shouldn’t really criticise him for.

    His one mistake was accepting the ManU job. This was a poisoned chalice whoever took over from Fergie.

    He is probably the best British manager there is. Solid and unspectacular.

  • 66 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:58 AM

    band b

    my only hope with the deadly dour, dull and sterile moyes is that he sets his own agenda, ie picks his own players , not carr’s endless misfits, as a forerunner for any future managers coming to NUFC, when his tenure inevitably ends in tears.

  • 67 magicmac // Mar 8, 2016 at 9:58 AM

    We all know Mc Claren has to go, thats the obvious fact, but the real blame and the real shame is those other 2 clowns Charmless and old man car will still be in thier jobs after the dust has settled, and those 2 are a total waste of space, they are simply a cancer in our club, car is an old man now, probley senile now going by the amount of shit players he has wasted Ashleys money on the last few years, also at what properly run club would a head scout be in charge of the players who come into the club, and the players who go out of the club, and dont even start me on that little turd Charnley, he simply hasnt a clue about football, and how on earth that stupid little toe rag is still in his job at Newcastle is beyond me, i honestly think most Newcastle fans would like to also see the back of his little ugly fat face, no point in saying anything about moncur as nobody knows what his job on the so called football board is, he doesnt know either he he, we have clowns running the circus, thats why our great club is the laughing stock throughout the country, and who put these clowns in thier positions at Newcastle? Yes Mr Mike Ashely see where iam coming from the blind leading the blind, nothing is ever going to change under ashely, its so sad.

  • 68 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:00 AM

    LVG gets CL in his first season, moyes didn’t even get europa after paying fortunes to play long ball negative football to Fellaini etc. It doesn’t augur well.

  • 69 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:02 AM

    Moyes did take on a poison chalice at Old Trafford, and he must have known it. That worries me.
    It worries me because all of the fears he must have discounted and set aside came true.
    He couldn’t win over a bolshie squad to his hard working methods.
    Here, some of the players will be eyeing relegation as a get out of jail card.
    Will he even be allowed to sort them out?

  • 70 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:02 AM

    whumpie

    i used to think SM was quite a nice chap but the delusional arrogance of the bloke is staggering.

  • 71 Slank // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:03 AM

    BandB

    I tend to agree with you. Whoever they are talking to will told all the cards and will therefore want assurances which will have to be discussed and agreed to going up to the very top.

    The club are in a weak position and any replacement will drive a hard bargain and therefore it might not be concluded any time soon but you never know.

  • 72 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:04 AM

    Rotonda,

    I think they have to be.
    Even Carver thought he was top dog.

  • 73 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:07 AM

    band b

    it’s a bit like the other dour scot souness replacing SBR to supposedly crowbar a bolshy squad into submission.

    Moyes was awful at manu and Sociedad where his rigid methods and a lack of a plan B had the white handkerchiefs out.

    just the last thing we need. Moyes was effective back in the day, but this is not his day any more.

  • 74 Jib // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:07 AM

    I spent a fair bit of time yesterday perusing Swiss Ramble and learned that with the new relegation parachute deal that if NUFC dropped a league , over 2/3 years they would recoup about the same amount of money that they pledged to spend over 3 windows.

    I’m not saying it was part of anyones plans to do so badly , but if they at any stage did a worst case scenario exercise , failure to stay in the PL is not as devastating as some folk think.

    It could also explain why the new players contracts maintain their wage levels in the 2nd tier.

  • 75 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:10 AM

    bandb

    but ususally there is something justified to base it on.

    Hiddinck and Benitez for example are 2 pretty affable guys with honours the length of their arms.

    Have SA, AP, JC and DM ever won anything between them.

  • 76 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:10 AM

    Jib

    You may find a bit of loyal scepticism is very well suited to your digging talents.

  • 77 anthc // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:12 AM

    Nigel pearson if we change imo although I will not be surprised if mclaren stays. Either way we are down, the players have given up, the coach is garbage and fans totally deflated. We all know it we just have difficulty accepting it because we love our club and deserve better.
    Unfortunately our club is a laughing stock and badly ran from top to bottom the ex professionals can see it, the pundits can so why can’t bloody ashley!

  • 78 Slank // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:12 AM

    Rotunda

    All football managers have to have a higher degree of arrogance than us mere mortals. It’s an essential ingredient for the job alongside a thick back.

    Some don’t flaunt it. Sir Bobby and Pellegrini come to mind, but it is still there.

  • 79 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:13 AM

    Rotonda

    I’ve never met even the most cack-handed manager of a hapless under-8s team who didn’t think he was a football guru.

  • 80 Lindisfarne // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:13 AM

    IMO the club is trying to Carr th on as normal, giving Ni credence to press speculation by not reacting. Too late as the horse has already bolted, become lame and should be shot before any more damage takes place due to berserk actions.

    The Fans Forum need to follow up on their Open Letter by tomorrow, perhaps by calling on Season Ticket Holders to turn up at the stadium one evening, or at least get the ball rolling around direct action towards SD. The resulting media frenzy will at least focus the clubs attention and perhaps they will actually make a decision.

    Compensation, replacements, board room posistions are all arbitory to the fact that SMC has failed to secure the clubs PL status and should be relieved of his duties.

  • 81 Lindisfarne // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:15 AM

    Sorry about the spelling mistakes – battery very low

  • 82 AncientC // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:18 AM

    The parachute payment is £64 million over 3 years, perhaps slightly more.

    That is nowhere near close to the alleged transfer budget of £50 million over 3 windows.

  • 83 AncientC // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:19 AM

    £50 million per window x 3 that is.

  • 84 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:21 AM

    Magicmac
    Not my words but all my sentiments.

  • 85 Ian Toon // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:22 AM

    It’s Carr following on the heels of Macca through the swinging door for me. There’s a growing trend for football clubs to try to improve their fortunes through the use of computer analysis of players, Moneyball in common parlance. Though I am not sure that Carr has signed players using these techniques, because since Cabaye very few have been a success. Carr, like it would seem 99% of all scouts is an ex league manager but he’s certainly no David Pleat . The basic point of Moneyball methods is to identify value in players, those who can be acquired more cheaply than their talent should allow but provide re- sale value.. That sounds very much like our own recruitment policy to me, up to around season 2011-2012 which prompted the provision of an 8 year contract to Carr. The Cabella signing followed by that of Thauvin clearly showed that Carr and indeed Charnley had lost the plot. They had learnt nothing.

  • 86 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:24 AM

    A grind-it-out manager with a talent for intimidation would only be a short term solution at best and a failed millstone round our necks at worst.
    Better to bring in an enlightened manager who commands respect naturally who can get us playing attacking football and scoring goals.
    A few goals wouldn’t half help.
    Better to do things right from the start.

  • 87 sparky55 // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:25 AM

    Can you just imagine the awkwardness of Maclaren meeting up with all the players yet again this morning when everyone on the planet except Maclaren expected him to be gone.

    The players for sure will be very disappointed he’s taking training an dMaclaren already knows he’s lost the support of most of his squad…so how awkward is that going to be!

  • 88 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:26 AM

    Lil
    When Ed was taking the big positives about Makro’s appointment and the newly constituted Board, I was as frustrated as he is now because I could not see how he could write such guff. I felt similarly frustrated at the idea that the club had enjoyed good transfer windows. Nonsense to anyone who knows about football and this club in particular.

  • 89 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:29 AM

    sparky

    If he doesn’t go today he may get all week. Maybe two or three.
    It’s a shocking situation.
    But I’d far rather that than have another “Yes Sir!” manager jumping at what they fondly hope is the chance to save their career.

  • 90 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:30 AM

    Ian
    I keep wanting to read your posts but I know my mobile phone battery won’t last the distance so I have to skip them.

  • 91 Goldmbemba // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:33 AM

    I think i can get my head around being relegated. Its not great but i expect we’d bounce back within 1/2 years. The fans would moan but inevitably come back.

    The most disappointing thing for me is that we have the potential makings of a decent prem team (defence aside). I’d love to see Wini , mitro, perez and shelvey come good. But being relegated id fully expect a bunch of our players to leave. Wini who i really really like could conceivably go to a top 6 team easily – he’s deadly when he’s on his game, and when managed by a decent mangaer i think he’d do very well.

    Mitro would probably stay because he hasnt done enough to warrant a move, but i wonder about his discipline in a lower league. But he’d probaly bully champ defences.

    Perez would be snapped up , im pretty sure. Even his admirable loyalty to the club would be tested when someone like spurs inevitably bid for him.

    Sissoko, well he’d be off but maybe not to the top team he feels entitled to.

  • 92 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:35 AM

    We had a shit squad last season. Fans were buying into the club’s notion of improvement over several windows. We bought four players, one of which was Thauvin. What did anyone expect in terms of results, bearing in mind other clubs were spending money and trading players too? Absolute negligence. And with Wally in charge!

  • 93 The next Mike Williamson // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:35 AM

    If we get moyes he will not be able to work with Carrs signings. Carr likes dainty french flair players and moyes prefers British grafters, preferably 4 or 5 defensive midfielders.

  • 94 Ian Toon // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:37 AM

    Rotonda- With your track record on the relative merits of Martinez : Pochettino. Mind, we disagreed whilst Pochettino was at Southampton and Chelsea and Man U had not expressed an interest in his services.
    The majority of Everton fans would prefer Moyes as manager next season rather than Martinez. Don’t take my word for it!
    Given our defensive frailties Martinez at the toon would make matters even worse.

  • 95 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:39 AM

    Perhaps the best thing that could happen now is that Ashley discovers he can’t get a fit for purpose manager for his pocket money budget.
    Then he has a hard choice to make. Does he open the purse strings or risk losing out on a fortune?
    He’ll want it both ways. I hope he doesn’t get it both ways. It might teach him something.

  • 96 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:39 AM

    tnmw

    that’s the only plus point i can think of moyes is that he may drive through buying his own players.

  • 97 Ian Toon // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:43 AM

    Blackley – Some missives are worth reading. You’re one of the first on my must read list. Your football comments are worthy of a regular at SJP. Bobby B is good value as well. I miss not being a regular at the Cathedral.

  • 98 magscar // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:44 AM

    This “apparent” inertia is just that and not real – until he is sacked McClaren has to carry on regardless. He is still contracted so refusing to carry out training puts him in breach of it. Beside that he is clinging to the small hope that the club can’t get anyone they want to come in on their terms.

    As BandB said Pardew rode out the rancour which may give McClaren some unextinguished hope but I am not sure we are looking at a similar situation.

    He is not on as long a contract as Pardew was and not so much hung out to dry as he was. Expectations of him by Ashley and fans, even if at different levels, must be that he is not achieving nor is likely to.

    For their part Ashley, Board can’t sack him until someone is prepared to take up job.

    Unfortunately whilst this seeming inertia can and may well go on for some days until we reach an acceptable solution there is no guarantee that the unavoidable process they have put themselves in will have a happy ending

  • 99 Jib // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:45 AM

    Ancient C
    I’m blogging while doing a bit of gardening so I’m missing stuff out of my posts.

    I meant parachute payments (55% of £65million)£36 million plus coming back up as champions approx £120 million (esp if there are televised play off games)

  • 100 sparky55 // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:45 AM

    B&B

    I’m lost for words to be honest….they can’t possibly think he’s gonna save us so either they’ll keep him for the championship but that’ll mean most of the current team will leave because they don’t believe in Maclaren and don’t want to play in the championship, or if not they should dump him now.

    A complete squad change may actually not be a bad thing…assembling a team like Leicester’s with hard working gutsy players with the right attitude is what the supporters and club need to get them out the championship…but Maclaren has already proven he’s rubbish at getting anyone out the championship.

    I’m rambling now…just can’t get my heed round why he’s still here in any capacity whatsoever.

    Even if the club internally admitted to themselves it’s too late and we’re going down, they should still sack maclaren for putting us in this position and plan for a manager like Pearson to get us back out of the championship.

    IMO THERE IS NO SENSIBLE ARGUMENT BACKING THE CONTINUED EMPLOYMENT OF MACLAREN IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM…HE’S INEPT AND TOTALLY OUT HIS DEPTH

  • 101 21st Century Schizoid Man // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:46 AM

    Every successful EPL manager has to be able to grind out results.
    It is called resilience.
    Pardew failed at it, and still is, tehe.
    Tufty has failed to get any meaningful results despite slight improvemens in style of football.
    SAF would grind out results, so did the Sacked One.
    Moyes can also do that. So did Rafa.
    Not every game is beautiful and if you want EPL survival – accept it.
    Beautiful losers can easily end up in League 1.
    I’d rather see us 12th in the EPL than 12th in the Champiionship or League 1.

  • 102 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:47 AM

    magscar

    We have another lose-lose impasse it seems.

  • 103 davetoon // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:47 AM

    The bad thing about last seasons narrow escape is the illusion it has given those at the club that all will be ok.

  • 104 sparky55 // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:49 AM

    If we hadn’t beaten Spurs and Liverpool last year I think he would have been sacked before the Jan Window…those two good results unfortunately bought Maclaren some time…too much time as it turns out and now it’s all gone to sh!t since then and now it’s too late

  • 105 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:50 AM

    In an official club statement Championship side Huddersfield Town today confirmed that they appointed Julian Winter as the Club’s new Chief Executive.

    The Huddersfield-born 50 year-old, who played for the Club between 1984 and 1989, brings good knowledge of the football industry having previously held the role of Chief Executive at Watford, Sheffield United and most recently Notts County.

    Why can’t NUFC find a local with footballing and relevant business credentials to take over from Charnley? Sounds like a very good appointment by the Huddersfield owner.

  • 106 Spoof // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:51 AM

    I don’t want Moyes as he is too similar in tactics to McClaren, the only time we have looked half decent this season is when we have tried to press teams back, close them down quickly and try to play on the front foot, of the names linked with us Brendan Rodgers tick’s most of the boxes which we seem to require to get a quick fix, for me it has to be Rodgers, here’s hoping !

  • 107 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:52 AM

    Ian toon

    I think your mask has slipped again. Carl said something eerily similar to me.

    I like Martinez and Pochettino, though obviously Pochettino is in another stratosphere now. Everton fans loved the everton of a couple of years ago under martinez, but people are fickle.

    Martinez may not be the best but nowhere near as poor as AP and SM and his teams always play football. Look at the WHU game, everton 2-0 up, suddenly down to 10 men for most of the game and miss a penalty. On such margins empires fall.

  • 108 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:54 AM

    Sc1

    Would you dispute that clean sheets are less important than the simple requirement to score more goals than the opposition?
    I was talking about the need to attempt a culture of balanced, enterprising football.
    Inspiration might have a more immediate impact on this recalcitrant squad than the threat of perspiration right now. I think they feel brow-beaten enough already (poor things.)

  • 109 ilovetoon8788 // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:56 AM

    no decent managers will touch us with a barge pole. forget about Benitez et al. no one with a decent calibre will want to work under Ashley and is his failed Model with Carr calling the shots on transfers.

    we are bound to get a desperate coach who only wants the paycheck. same like how mclaren came to us in the first place.

  • 110 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:59 AM

    BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 10:24 AM

    A grind-it-out manager with a talent for intimidation would only be a short term solution at best and a failed millstone round our necks at worst.
    Better to bring in an enlightened manager who commands respect naturally who can get us playing attacking football and scoring goals.
    A few goals wouldn’t half help.
    Better to do things right from the start.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    One of your best.

  • 111 Jib // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:01 AM

    Elliot
    Janmaat
    Mbemba
    Coloccini
    Dummett
    Sissoko
    Anita
    Colback
    Wijnaldum
    De Jong
    Cisse

    Above is the team that worked it’s tits off against Liverpool and Spurs (it was unchanged for the 2nd game)
    Noticeable
    Cissé an experienced striker
    Wijnaldum in his favoured central role
    De Jong floating up front

  • 112 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:02 AM

    Ian

    Your track record is allegedly being ” besties ” with the maligned, misunderstood AP. Just a little bit of a credibility stretch there when identifying good managers.

  • 113 lochinvar // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:04 AM

    First picture of Charnley after he gets around to firing McClaren

    http://imgur.com/gallery/cD1wVi7

  • 114 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:07 AM

    Rotonda

    Thanks.

    I genuinely think an injection of belief and inspiration is what’s needed now. A general with charisma and luck to raise morale, as Napoleon would have picked in a backs to the wall situation.

  • 115 21st Century Schizoid Man // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:07 AM

    I too would like to see De JOng in the side.
    He really does have something to prove at the Toon, whatever his previous record.

  • 116 Ron Knee // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:07 AM

    How good is McClaren’s replacement at striking despairing poses? Does he have some RADA training on his CV? These are the types of questions Charmless should be asking.

  • 117 neverwin // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:09 AM

    If he survives and is still in charge against Mackams and players again do not show up the atmosphere -especially with Mackam supporters joining in as well- will be toxic and he will be totally humiliated.
    As supporters we are used to it but the bile directed at him he will find unbearable.
    Sticks in my throat but I think Sam will have them really up for it and in this situation he is more used to it than McClaren – fighting relegation is the only thing Sam excels in unfortunately for us.

  • 118 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:09 AM

    The lost opportunity was very much down to Moyes through a momentous series of transfer failures/non-transfers, leaving the squad at the beginning of a Championship League year depleted, paper-thin in most positions and devoid of quality and leadership. And playing the direst excuse for football. So one-dimensional and tactically homogenous that the whole world and his dog had worked out how to stop Everton winning for the rest of the season.

  • 119 21st Century Schizoid Man // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:11 AM

    As far as Napoleon goes. After Austlerlitz, came Moscow and then Waterloo.

  • 120 Ian Toon // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:12 AM

    Rotonda- I get it wrong but don’t create a smokescreen. To put into perspective. Pardew got us a 5th place finish as did SBR. He’s also managing a Palace side still in the FA cup.
    Shepherd sacked SBR. What goes around….

  • 121 Lilongwe Geordie // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:13 AM

    Blackley,
    There were quite a few bemoaning both the transfer window and the pronouncement of our new look board in the summer. However some on here were very pleased with the new board and the bright new dawn that was being embarked upon. I think that tide has finally turned following the Bournemouth shambles.

    I don’t think the squad is as bad as they have performed this season mind. More should have been done to get rid of those who had failed to turn up in the second half of last season (and on and off for the previous 18months). There was too much deadwood and the club didn’t make their own luck by just cutting ties, releasing players or terminating contracts to enable them to rebuild.

    I think you termed people like myself who weren’t happy with the slow pace/lack of activity as “flappy birds” at this stage. Still, you said you would judge at the end of the window, and I agreed with you at the time, not enough was done.

    McClaren hasn’t been able to get a consistent tune out of them, and has more often than not hindered players through tactics, and continued selecting players that have been consistently poor. Although there are issues with squad composition still as well which he has had to deal with.

    For me it is the same as the last few years, every single one from Ashley down to the first team squad are culpable for our current position. Some aren’t up to the task appointed to them, some are lazy, some couldn’t care less, and some have other interests ahead of on field success – some of them tick all those boxes.

    The whole club needs an overhaul, hopefully we won’t get any of the nonsense about too much in one period would be damaging. It can’t be anymore damaging then the current setup being allowed to continue.

  • 122 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:14 AM

    David Moyes won just two La Liga games as Real Sociedad manager earlier this season.

  • 123 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:16 AM

    I agree 21c.
    Yet no-one really thinks of him as a historical nomark, do they?

    My description above sounded dangerously like Arry.
    Time for a lie down.

    McClaren may simply be going to plead his case today…as leaked.
    Don’t forget to breath folks.

  • 124 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:23 AM

    Ian

    You’re not wrong. martinez got 5th too and won a trophy, playing great football. something AP has never done, but as you correctly say what goes around. . . .

    AP

    Relegated charlton, then sacked when 3rd bottom of the championship.

    Almost relegated WHU with tevez et al. Curbishley rescues them and Tevez becomes a legend. crowd demos against him

    16th place finish at NUFC. further crowd demos

    sacked at Soto for low squad morale

    Record losing streaks at 3 different clubs
    Record goals conceded in a season
    Record least goals scored in a season.

    On balance with respect you’re probably not the guy to take advice on re – good managers, if that’s your basis of a good manager.

  • 125 Rotonda heights // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:23 AM

    oh and doing a great job at CP…not!!

  • 126 Jib // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM

    Mention of Pardew at the moment is about as relevant as Richard Dinnis or Iam McFaul.

  • 127 toon kk // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:31 AM

    I really can’t see Macca getting sacked, it’s not how Newcastle operate. If on the off chance he does get shown the door don’t expect a quality replacement, people should know better. A yes man willing to work under the terms and conditions will be first and foremost with the so called board.
    We can’t stay up with our current squad anyway, it has to many flaws.

  • 128 lochinvar // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:33 AM

    Is anyone down at Benton to check out what’s going on or are the Border Guards and Parking Wardens preventing anyone getting close.
    Did McLaren breeze in for a normal day ?
    Any sign of David Craig or is it even to scary for him to be there.

  • 129 Hail Wor Ashley // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:37 AM

    Surprised Garry Monk isn’t in the running.

  • 130 lochinvar // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:39 AM

    Neverwin@177
    Good points.
    Who do we want in the Managers dug out for the derby game.
    On one side thick skinned and experienced Sam Allardyce with Defoe at his side or McClaren and Riviere waiting to come on as an eighty seventh minute sub ?

    Going over to the dark side or visiting a Black Hole is more fun.

    If the club bring a new Manager in now ( or even a temporary Manager now ) at least he ( or she ) has two games to prepare for – to leave it until next week is too late…

  • 131 Graeme // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:43 AM

    In the circumstances, this is well worth a read.
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-fans-should-blame-club-7512588

    Not that I McWally, I don’t, but he is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the problems at NUFC.

  • 132 Goldmbemba // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:44 AM

    I think we’ll hear something today, but it has to at least be some kind of statement saying that Mac has the clubs backing?

    they wont leave us in the dark for another day will they?

  • 133 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:46 AM

    This is about right as to where we are today.

    McClaren won’t be sacked before we find a “suitable” replacement.
    We have started “sourcing” possible replacements.
    But this is a “reluctant” process.
    The club doesn’t want to make changes “just for the sake of it.”

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-start-sourcing-steve-11006651?

  • 134 Ron Knee // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:47 AM

    lochinvar

    You can watch his car arrive!

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/watch-moment-steve-mcclaren-arrives-11006159

  • 135 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:48 AM

    As Graeme says, McClaren is the tip of an iceberg that’s sinking our club.

  • 136 Hail Wor Ashley // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:48 AM

    New manager now is paramount. Gives him a chance to see who is up for the battle against a realistic write off against Leicester, the most industrious, aggressive team in the league which will bear a resemblance to the derby intensity – it’s a great opportunity in the limited time to prepare and sift out the cowards. Sissoko should already be written off for the season, put him in the reserves, jeopardise his French national team place then give him the move he wants in the summer – be lucky to get £10m.

  • 137 expatmag // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:48 AM

    jib

    Oy……lay off McFaul……..club legend and personal friend

  • 138 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:52 AM

    “just for the sake of it” means “if there’s the remotest chance we can squeak to safety and all that lovely lolly by the skin of our teeth on the final day.”

  • 139 Ron Knee // Mar 8, 2016 at 11:57 AM

    BandB

    I was looking for “measured response”. Perhaps we’ll see it in the next communiqué.

  • 140 BandB // Mar 8, 2016 at 12:02 PM

    Ron

    It’s sounding suspiciously like the club is no less smug and complacent than it was at the Fans’ Forum meeting and before the last two defeats.

  • 141 boltonmagpie // Mar 8, 2016 at 1:32 PM

    Errh!!
    Isn’t McLaren on the Board?
    That’s 2 that don’t want him sacked then!!




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