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Rob Elliot Will Take The Positives

9:34 pm, Sunday, March 20th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 91 Comments

Yet another good display from Rob Elliot this afternoon in the Newcastle goal when he made two or three great saves that helped us stay in the game and finally get an 83rd minute equalizer from Alexandar Mitrovic that stopped Sunderland from gaining a full 3 points on us, after Jermain Defoe had scored just before half time.

On this form Rob Elliot will keep Tim Krul out of the side next season – when hopefully we are still in the Premier League.


Rob Elliot beaten today

Rob will take the positives out of today’s game.

Tags: Coaching · Derby · Newcastle News · Prayer · Premier League · Rob Elliot

91 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Harley // Mar 20, 2016 at 9:38 PM

    Toon tang

    Amazingly Sissoko looked great there. I’d prefer him there for the rest of the season over colback, dummet, Anita or Aaron’s.

    He’s not exactly adding a lot going forward.

  • 2 Munster Mag // Mar 20, 2016 at 9:41 PM

    Have to say, I’m not all that impressed with Rafa so far . Ok he has made subs when guys like Pardew and SMC froze, but wtf is he doin putting Sissoko on the left? He is worse than useless there. Also, we were poorly motivated going out and Sunderland looked far more focussed in the tunnel, and on the pitch. Not good enough. IF SMC had played Sissoko left wing, we would be asking for his head. He is also playing Wini too deep by far. Tactical genius my arse.

  • 3 toonluvva // Mar 20, 2016 at 9:42 PM

    There are a couple of positives.

    1) we stopped the Mackems run of wins against us.

    2) at least we pulled a goal back after going behind.

    BUT!! we are still second bottom, and in serious danger of going down.

    Has Rafa enough time to turn the ship around before we hit the rocks?

    That’s another positive – at least he is at the helm. Lets hope he can save our season.


  • 4 Jail for Ashley // Mar 20, 2016 at 9:46 PM

    Give your fcukin head a shake man, he has taken a shell shocked disinterested shower of shit and avoided defeat to them lot for the first time in seven games and almost grabbed a draw at the league leaders after being here 9 days, I actually can’t believe what you just said, you have literally just boiled my pi$$.
    I came on to say that today wasn’t good but not a complete disaster except it is now in the mackems hands, we can take it out of Norwich’s hands by beating them in two weeks time and just hope that we get one more win than them lot down the road.

  • 5 Jail for Ashley // Mar 20, 2016 at 9:48 PM

    Well Munster we mightr just have fcukin Pearson next season or Pardew which would probably keep you happier.

  • 6 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 20, 2016 at 9:49 PM

    Mbemba was nervy. Shelvey, Gini, Sissoko and Perez were poor. Colback was dreadful. We did not turn up until the last 15 minutes. We look a million miles from winning 3 points and we’re well adrift.

  • 7 toon kk // Mar 20, 2016 at 9:49 PM

    I’ve said it for a long time, our squad lacks quality mate. Yes we have some decent players but we’ve wasted millions on flops over the years.
    Tbh if Carr had scouted the championship for all the best players instead of wasting money on French flops we could have had a far better side put together.

  • 8 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Mar 20, 2016 at 9:50 PM

    Munster needs to take his head out of his arse.

  • 9 Jail for Ashley // Mar 20, 2016 at 9:53 PM

    It will be absolutely heart breaking if we go down now, to be honest I’d braced myself to it and couldn’t really give a shit if they had of let Mclaren do it as I’d stopped caring. But now after a proper manager coming in it has given us a glimmer from a dark eight years, there’ll be no Ashley out protests because people will think he’ll provide a top manager again and we’ll see a Nigel Pearson type struggle away while we ‘establish’ ourselves as a PL team again. Please stay up!!!

  • 10 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // Mar 20, 2016 at 9:54 PM

    ‘why did he put Sissoko on the left’

    Well my friend, when you have two of your left backs injured and your third choice on a yellow card, what can he do? Sissoko didn’t do anything wrong in that position either.

    You trying to be the odd geordie out by deciding that you don’t rate Rafa? Does that make you feel special? Whatever floats your boat mate.

  • 11 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 20, 2016 at 9:58 PM

    Rafa did well not to lose his temper at half time. I was going mental at them for how bad they were. I felt sorry for Mitro because he’s a trier and hasn’t the easiest task, but he boils my piss when he tries to get the crowd going with his arm gestures. He and his team mates had sucked the life out of the crowd with their shit display. Does he not realise that to get the crowd going, you need to do something on the pitch? Anything positive. Just get your finger out and the crowd will respond.

  • 12 Laurent Robert 32 // Mar 20, 2016 at 9:59 PM

    Munster, the difference is that it is Benitez making the tactical decisions, not lower league wannabes, so he can generally be given the benefit of the doubt and backed for doing so. They were punting high cross field balls onto that left side throughout the game and were successful with it.

    Rafa has been organising them and trying to fix the damage that has gone on before. Sissoko did some good work in defence when moved back. Ironically, highlighting the fact the he used to play further back when we got him.

  • 13 toon kk // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:00 PM

    Exactly, it’s such a shame we didn’t bring Rafa in during the January transfer window or even earlier.
    I honestly don’t think we have the fire power to save us now.
    But we must live in hope.

  • 14 Hail Wor Ashley // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:00 PM

    One of the biggest problems this squad has, aside froma lack of ability and heart, is there are too many versatile players, not enough specialists with defined roles in the team. Were they always that way r have they been mismanaged to that point, where they don’t look quite right in any position?

    If we stay up we need to start nailing down certain players to certain positions in all but the worst injury crises.

    Sissoko is the best example: LB, RB, DM, box-to-box, AM, RW, LW – it’s a joke. Utility players used to be few and far between and they were specialists in that role as stop gaps.

  • 15 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:06 PM

    Elliott, Lascelles, Townsend, and Mitro were the only ones to turn up.

    I reckon Rafa has to take a chance on Cisse. Tell him not to worry about link up play. Just keep onside, keep opposing defenders guessing, and seek to get on the end of anything in the box.

  • 16 jimiley // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:06 PM

    Rafa is God but he will be off in the summer. Not enough time to turn this shower of water into wine. Thanks Penfold and Ashley. Thanks a lot. The strikers are worse then …. poor and even God cannot turn a carthorse into a thoroughbred. We are gannin doon with the Mackems. The north east is truly the Siberia of footy.

  • 17 Laurent Robert 32 // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:06 PM

    Plus, because of the point they got, there was a general feeling from their fans on the full-time phone that they were concerned about how they can’t keep a clean sheet and a growing in concern about Allardyce’s negative tactics – ones that we here know all about.

    As we are battling relegation with them, that can only help us that they are second guessing things and have lost some belief.

  • 18 daffy // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:06 PM

    Interesting reading some of the prior comments
    Fact is yous couldn’t beat us again in your own back yard – only 4 points this season
    Still above yous tho

  • 19 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:06 PM

    The last 2 games Sissoko has looked up for the physical battle so it might be time to try him in central midfield again

    Will there be a left back fit for Norwich in 2 weeks?

    We were crying out for a ball winner in the middle as well what has happened to Saviet ? Looked a similar player to Kante in France

    I think Benitez has to get us playing more direct with crosses raining into the box possibly with Mitrovic and Cisse playing up front together in the box at all times

    Norwich are not good at all and the only reason they have 4 points recently is the other teams missing a bucket load of chances especially in the City game !

  • 20 beermonkey // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:06 PM


    its so frustrating
    if we dont sstay up we know rafa is gone
    then who??

    have to say never been a rafa fan but the man knows his stuff, i am a bit of a fan now
    really hope the 2 week break is enough time 2 get a win

  • 21 Munster Mag // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:06 PM

    If you dont like my opinion I couldnt give a shit quite frankly. Sissoko is right footed and is incapable of doing much with his left foot, so therefore he is pretty crap on the left. Buta Rafa has done it twice now. Why not swop wings a bit with the ex Spurs guy? Sunderland dominated us completely in the first half at St James’ and you are satisfied? Go take your own head out of your arse Burnley. Would you be happy to see Wiji so far back the pitch is SMC was on the touchline? Sorry, I can see improvements in defending but lots of questions. We needed the win and were six minutes from relegation, to all intents and purposes. But you go on slagging me off if that makes you feel intelligent. I’m not anti Rafa, far from it. But if that was a less famous manager, i think he would be criticised more. Re Sissoko left back, i appreciate that was enforced, but a useless tool looks even worse on the left wing. As I said, they didnt even swap wings once. Sadly, what I said earlier in the season rings true. The day the mackems got Sam was the day the alarm bells sounded very very loud. And as for all the crap we give Sam ( and I hate him ) , this long ball things is looking like a myth. Our football is no better than theirs , although I appreciate that that is not a key issue right now. But they looked good, and better than us overall i think. More rounded. But then, we are back to Carr again and the 80 mill.

  • 22 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:08 PM

    Must admit we were lucky to go in only one down – first half display looked like McClown was still managing. Would of hooked Colback after his yellow card – was a liability. Give to many free-kicks away as the Mackems were quicker to the ball and wanted it more.

    Total lack of movement off the ball.

    Build up play to slow and sideways lack of movement resulting in being easy to close down and the ball being passed back to Elliot who HOOOOOOOFs it aimlessly. Elliot had a good game but his distribution crap like Krul’s.
    Nobody really stood out .Mitro battled well with little help fro Perez but I gave our MoM to Lascalles who had a solid game.

    Gonna be a BIG struggle to get out of the bottom 3

  • 23 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM

    Also all of Sunderlands January transfers all looked the business and have done since they have signed Kirchoff was terrible on his debut but he keeps winning the ball all the time in the middle

    Kone and Kazrhi were from France how did Carr not spot them? They both have adapted straight away

  • 24 lochinvar // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:15 PM

    Lee Charnley @23
    Answer might be to check out if those two are with the Mondial Group ?
    If not there’s your answer !

  • 25 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:16 PM

    Only reason we got a point today was Allerdyce’s lack of commitment in going for another goal to kill us off instead he sat back – brought on defensive players and sat back which allowed our players more time and space.

  • 26 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:19 PM

    The corporate shit on the big screen boils my piss too. The crap about “50,000 fans” and “the cathedral”. You just know some “suit” is behind it and thinks he’s doing a great job. What a load of sickly crap.

  • 27 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:28 PM

    Charlie@ 22
    I agree entirely.

    I agree about sunderland’s signings. They’ve done a lot better in the market than I thought they would and what they normally do. Unlike us, they’ve spent little but have got horses for courses. We’re still waiting for a horse to bolt to the cart.

  • 28 21st Century Schizoid Man // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:30 PM


    And how did you feel about Tufty’s decision making, substitutions, and team selection ?

    Who do you think would have done better ?

  • 29 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:30 PM

    When I saw O Shea coming on, it gave me a bit of hope

  • 30 mayday // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:40 PM

    Really? Sissoko was more useful as a fullback. He can only run in a straight line and is big enough not to get tossed into the stands. I would rather move him back if it meant that Wijnaldum pushed forward.

  • 31 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:52 PM

    The only time I felt truly emotional was when Mitro got clattered and I thought he was in some danger. I almost felt like his dad. As I was saying to Fresh Sarnie, some things sre far more important than football.

  • 32 welshgeordie9 // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:54 PM

    The way we performed today we are going down, nothing’s changed, still playing one up front when It should be 2, showed that later on in the game when we went 442, I’m afraid to say Rafa so far hasn’t done anything different, we were at home and how long did it take for us to get our first shot on target.

  • 33 welshgeordie9 // Mar 20, 2016 at 10:55 PM

    Positives when not scoring is not going to get you 3 points, simple as.

  • 34 Munster Mag // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 PM

    Tufty, I didnt love it, anymore than anyone else. What I hated about Tufty were the inane post match nonsense and endless player praise. I cant say I have seen a lot from Rafa that would make me think this man has won so much. I know its early, and I was one of the first on here to say Carr was a plumb two years ago, so i appreciate that he has am imbalanced squad but whilst ther are improvements ( more effort, better defending, marginally better attacking ) , I also see….marginally better attacking, Sissoko contributing little off his left foot and Wini too deep, to accomodate Perez who peaked in the early season. To repeat, we were 6 points away from relegation, and created little of real threat apart from the goal. Sunderland looked a better team overall, and i think most neutrals would agree with that, although a point each was fair. If Pardew or SMC had been in charge, all other things being equal, we would be saying that we played our biggest rivals, at home, and blew a serious chance. And then we would scream for their heads. But because its Rafa we are trying to make positives out of anything we can. Rafa has to get a team that has Mitro, Sissoko, Perez, Wiji, Townsend, Cisse etc, to score 1-2 goals a game. I thought we would be more of a threat today. I predicted 2-2 so i guess i wasnt expecting a win, but i think he has got it wrong by pinning Sissoko on the left wing all the time, and putting Wiji too deep. If Rafa wants them to believe and relax, the only way to do that is to be braver and make more things happen in the opposition box.

  • 35 Munster Mag // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:02 PM

    Completely agree Welshie. 4231 is not working well enough so far. Mitro is too slow to run the line up front on his own.

  • 36 Fostino // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:02 PM

    Anyone who is saying rafa hasn’t done anything needs their eyes checked.

    He has taken us on in a desperate situation. The same underperforming players..Low on confidence. We have looked a lot more structured. The 2 goals we conceded is a result of once off dire defensive mistakes…hardly surprising in a makeshift back 4 that he inherited. The problem there is how we didn’t sort the defence in the last 2 windows. Same can be said for not getting a striker.

    Benetez is working hard on making us mote structured in defence and on making us provide more chances for our striker. Unfortunately he’s only had 1 fit decent striker to choose from in his first 2 games I. E. Mitro. Maybe with cisse coming back. ..we may see more return from him. The truth is mcclaren shoukd have been sacked a long time ago.

  • 37 welshgeordie9 // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:06 PM


    It’s frustrating to see mitrovic trying to do everything on his own, he will score more if he had help up front with him.

  • 38 welshgeordie9 // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:09 PM


    I would love Rafa to do well but what has he done different in the last two matches to other managers, we still haven’t won and that’s the most important thing at the moment, picking up wins.

  • 39 welshgeordie9 // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:11 PM

    Shelvey is pissing me off at the moment.

  • 40 jimmysmith // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:13 PM

    Mitro is very slow, there’s little point in glossing over it. Lascelles is not EPL quality. And we haven’t had a genuine left back all season. I wonder ifbenitez recognised this when he took us on, because they are three gaping holes in the side.

    I’ve believed we were better than Sunderland and Norwich and so Rafa would keep us up, but now I doubt we actually are.

    We have loads of good players, but can’t pick an effective 11, as 24 points from 30 games attests.

    I think the club is now headed down and that is truly shocking Mssrs Car, Charnley and Ashley, and will mean 5 or more years of misery for us captive lot.

    I doubt I’ll invest the same level of emotion again though if it does God forbid come to that. Life is frankly too short.

  • 41 Fostino // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:23 PM


    I think we have a manager and back room now who knows how to win a match tactically. He’s only had about 10 days to work with us and already I think we look more structured both in defence and attack. He hasn’t got the players to change the team sheet too much yet but today I think we saw rafas belief in getting our quality on the pitch I. E sissoko at lb Anita at rb..leaving jong.perex.shelvey. .With cisse and mitro up front at the end. That’s shows confidence. I don’t think we will have to worry about seeing goofy and riverie start any more games…crap players. ..or seeing Anita and colback as our cineffictive cm partnership. I aggree im not a big fan of 4231..but with only 1 decent fit striker available to him so far…I don’t think he had much choice.

    It will be interesting to see if colo..arrons. tiote..cisse..dummett haidira force their way into the team. I suspect rafa is figuring out what players he needs to start to win a game and i believe whatever team or system he picks is our best team or tactics available. I haven’t had this much confidence in a manager since bobby Robson.

  • 42 jimmysmith // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:25 PM

    We need Collocini back, as thin as that certainly seems. I’d also use Perez and Mitro off the bench and start with De Jong and Cisse, and pray for divine intervention at left back.

  • 43 Fostino // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:29 PM

    Jimmy Smith

    You coukd be right

    Our best team could be be

    Sissoko mbemba colo dummett

    Townsand shelvey tiote wini

    De jong cisse

    Mitro..perez. .Anita. or .arrons to come on

  • 44 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:36 PM

    I don’t know what you were watching but Lascelles, along with Eliott, were our best performers today. Colo is slow and past it. Lascelles will hopefully continue to play like that. It was no surprise that Rafa put the young lad in ahead of Taylor. Mbemba looked like the rookie.

  • 45 Toon Tang // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:39 PM

    Id stick sissoko at LB as Harley stated earlier on. He actually won tackles and put himself across players unlike Colback. He’s been ineffective going forward for a while and doesn’t have the same drive he used to, do you remember when we beat Chelsea in his first game? wheres that sissoko gone? He’s progressively got worse to the shell of a player we have now.

  • 46 Toon Tang // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:41 PM

    I shudder to think what wor Stevie T would have accomplished if he’d even come within a yard of that little girl Borini.

  • 47 NewcastleMole // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:42 PM

    Mitro has to start he has the work ethic and the desire that so many of the squad have lost. His issue is his pace. Rafa has put Mitro on a special training program because he realises his potential

    He’s needs the right player playing off him to maximize his ability, Gini perhaps?

    I’d drop Sissoko, Colback & Taylor for an extended period.

  • 48 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:42 PM


    100% agree Lascalles has looked pretty solid in the last few games he hardly ever loses out in the air and defends well Mbemba looked all over the place but it could be because he is just coming back

    Would be tempted to have Mbemba at defensive midfield if we had another centre half to play with Lascalles that would provide a solid spine to allow the attacking players to attack more

  • 49 Brian Pinas // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:42 PM

    According to Haidara and Mbabu are back for the game against Norwich so forget Sissoko @ LB.

    Also back Colo, Obertan and Tiote – Tiote is well needed.

  • 50 ilovetoon8788 // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:43 PM

    The difference yesterday is the January signings. While we made a mess of spending the 80m, all the January signings for Sunderland were brilliant.

    While ours can’t even get on the bench or are on the bench. What a joke.

  • 51 Mag52 // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:44 PM

    For me, the one big positive was that we came back in the second half to equalise.
    I doubt we’d have done that, judging by recent displays, under McClaren.

  • 52 Toon Tang // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:44 PM

    Will no doubt be Haidara then if back.

  • 53 Thump // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:44 PM

    @Brian: Tiote has been a huge miss. Shelvey dropping deep just doesn’t suit his game – there again, I’m not sure he’s captain material. Seemed like he was too focused on what everybody else was doing than his own game.

  • 54 Munster Mag // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:46 PM

    Toon Tang, Sissoko is miles better on the right. Putting him on left is nonsense, although at left back, at least it would allow others to play on left wing. But do u think Sissoko will track back consistently? I think we are going down unless we can find a way to score goals. Carr should hang his head in shame because 80 mill equals 8 x 10 mill players, and we cant blame ashley for that investment. 80 mill should have given us a team, not a bunch of midfielders who overplay the ball.

  • 55 Fostino // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:46 PM


    I agree lascalles looked good today. Will be interesting to see if it’s him or mbemba starting at cb with colo next week.

    Toon tang

    I aggree with you regarding sissoko..maybe the back 4 could be

    Mbemba lascalles colo sissoko

  • 56 Toon Tang // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:46 PM

    What happened to Doumbia people? Will we actually see him get a good stint in the team or not? Looks to be another fererra proposition eh

  • 57 Brian Pinas // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:47 PM

    @Thump Shelvey will be more effective further forward I agree, but how poor have we been down the left since Haidara has been out.

    Could be key to getting a bit of balance to the side and also having players playing in their correct positions.

  • 58 beefman13 // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:48 PM

    Two totally average/poor teams, both deserve the drop, but then again Norwich are where they are for a reason as well, and Mr Pardew is struggling a wee bit in the heavy going!

  • 59 jimmysmith // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:48 PM

    Yeah, I know he had a decent match relatively speaking, in what was largely a game about as organised as a Sunday league one, but overall I’ve been less impressed. He might make an EPL CB, but right now I don’t think he is, and right now is not the ideal time to throw him in and stick with him. Collocini is more than capable, but prone to a shocker if he’s in the mood, but i’d much prefer his experience and quality to Lascelles in this situation. I’m aware he also divides opinion and that’s fair enough too.

  • 60 Brian Pinas // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:49 PM

    On Doumbia – if both McClaren and now Rafa deem Rivi and Cisse to be ahead of him I suspect he’s well short of match fitness now or just not feeling it.

  • 61 stuart no9 // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:50 PM

    just been watching the game again om MOTD , ok we didnt win , but we didnt lose either .last year we had to beat west ham to stay up , 1 game to survive , we have 8 now with a proper man in charge , not an idiot, ho can people say we are doomed ? people who watch the prem year in year out know there are goingb to be twists and turns coming up to may . we are 3 points from 4th place with a possible 24 to play for , why are some people finding that hard to take in ? Big sam was gutted during his interview , dropping points late last week and dropping points late today Big sam knows they have peaked and they havnt taken their chances, while on the other hand rafa stays calm and cool , you know why, ? we are gradually on the up , we havnt peaked , rafa knows there is more to come from thos team . sunderland are done, thay didnt talke the opportunities over the last few games when theve been playing quite well and lost it at the death , thats why their decline starts today , we will only get stronger and that is why sunderland wont survive come the end of season.
    Villa, norwich , mackems for the drop

  • 62 Toon Tang // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:52 PM

    Munster, he’s pretty ineffective from either really mucker. Until Brian told us the 2 LB’s were back I would have just stuck him there as he looks completely void of anything offensive at the moment. He used to steam roll into the box, Knock a player or 2 out the way and get a shot off. When was the last time we saw that?

    There was a few times today he had the ball with just one lad to beat and he got his legs in a tangle and lost it. I though Townsend did some good runs and crosses today and was unlucky to get pulled. Maybe he were done in?

  • 63 Toon Tang // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:56 PM

    Haha would bloody love Palace to dragged into the shite. We play them near the end of the season as well.

    All those pundits and Journo’s saying we really should have kept him, look what he’s doing at palace etc etc

  • 64 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Mar 20, 2016 at 11:58 PM

    Just watched Spurs destroy Bournemouth on match of the day lets hope they have nothing to play for when we play them !

  • 65 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 21, 2016 at 12:06 AM

    All of us can take in that there are plenty of points to play for. What some of us can also take in is that we’ve been shite all season and Rafa’s new manager bounce has got us one point from a possible six. We were embarrassing today. Shearer highlights Kirchoff but Sunderland had plenty other players who were much quicker to the ball. I’m not blaming Rafa. He’s not a miracle worker.

  • 66 Blackley and Brownlie // Mar 21, 2016 at 12:16 AM

    I get the feeling Rafa’s not in a particular hurry to get Colo back. I don’t think he’ll be an automatic starter when he’s fit.

  • 67 stuart no9 // Mar 21, 2016 at 12:24 AM

    blackley —- i know what your saying – i get it , but look back over the last few months mate – i dont have to mention certain games but weve been nothing short of disgusting – pathetic , the laughjing stock of world football , 2 games rafas had and the difference is just huge man , remember chelsea , stoke, bournmouth to name just a few , ?? we had nothing at all to give , in 2 games we have looked a team at least, ok not brilliant to watch , but a bit of confidence and passion mixed with a desire to win — we’ll be fine.
    just watch the little differences during the last 8 games , enough to stay up in my opinion

  • 68 Sir Braveheart // Mar 21, 2016 at 12:26 AM

    Look at our fixtures:


    Compared to Palaces:

    West ham
    Man utd

    Aside from the Norwich game can’t see Palace picking up points. If we beat Norwich Palace and Villa that might be enough to jump above them.

  • 69 U.S Magpie // Mar 21, 2016 at 12:29 AM

    Ok just being honest here, yes nice goal by Mitro but apart from that not the out and out striker we thought.
    Sorry again for being honest but Perez needs to sit his ass on the bench for a while, he look clumpsy and slow and cannot dribble the ball to save his life. He used to be better but looks like 60% of last years perez. Left back coin toss for me as Colback looks awful. Is Mbabu injured because that kid looked good when he played in that position. I for one would have loved to see Armstrong’s loan spell cut short and bought back to the club, now htat kid can hit the net. I just look at this and feel yes we looked better around the pitch apart from the one thing we need, someone to put the ball into the back of the net. Does not mater how many we stop we need wins and that means someone has to start doing that job. Sorry to be a donwer, just being honest.

  • 70 Munster Mag // Mar 21, 2016 at 12:36 AM

    Palaces final 4 games are against teams with little to play for. We have had very little bounce factor under Rafa. We weresecond best today. To sunderland. At home.and burley bollocks thinks i’m unfair or misguided? We had a powerful running right footed winger playing with real inhibition, on the left. We had few crosses. We had wiji deep. Sunderland were better. We were at home. Our big chance blown. And some tools tell me to shake my head? Stfu.

  • 71 Pigott93 // Mar 21, 2016 at 12:50 AM

    Anyone know why doumbia wasn’t even on the bench??

  • 72 Munster Mag // Mar 21, 2016 at 12:50 AM

    Agree re arma. 10 games wud not hurt his development

  • 73 SPRINGY // Mar 21, 2016 at 12:55 AM

    that was poor today….no creativity in the last third and second best all day…was hoping that playing the local rivals would inspire a worth while performance but it was pretty much pathetic…..if u cant raise ya game to beat your enemy who are in the same position as you….the players are not good… surprised if we get out of this shite with these players……hate saying it but everything says we are down…..hopefully in 2 weeks theres a miracle ganna happen.

  • 74 stuart no9 // Mar 21, 2016 at 12:55 AM

    us mag — i agree , for me- mitcho , at the minute is not good enough , perez too lightweight, colbeck needs to be shipped out , liability , soko , no end product , we have no quality box player , a little peter beardsley who can undo a defence with a simple drop of the shoulder , too many players are in my opinion not good enough , however , if rafa can gel them as a team and teach them the little things that matter , like possesion , how to defend set peices , thinking before giving sillly niggly fouls awaay in dangerous areas AND learning from it , coz that is our problem at the minute, get these things right and even these players can become a good team.

  • 75 SPRINGY // Mar 21, 2016 at 12:58 AM

    he must be showing nothing in training….was he even on the bench today?

  • 76 SPRINGY // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:01 AM

    ive said it before and al say it again….we have the thickest players in the league….giving away stupid fouls and never ever learning from there mistakes….colback today was utter shite….brainless

  • 77 lesh // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:08 AM

    My phone’s showing a pop-up ad for Liverpool Car Parts – could they be stolen to order perchance?

  • 78 SPRINGY // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:13 AM

    now now lesh…u’ll get ya sell in bother with the p.c police!!lol

  • 79 Blofal // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:47 AM

    Sissoko did well at LB. He is good at running up and down the wing and putting balls into the box. He isn’t good at finishing. That’s basically a text book full back.

    Rafa was playing Sissoko and Townsend inverted because he wants Sissoko cutting inside into the box and Townsend is equally good on both feet.

    I trust the judgment of Rafa over most of the keyboard warriors on this blog. If some of you were as tactically astute as you thought then why aren’t you a world class manager?

    We were getting thrashed and after his subs we ended up on top and getting a draw. There is no way Pardew of SMC would have had De Jong, Perez, Cisse, Mitrovic and Wijnaldum all on the field at the same time. But he went for it and it worked.

    For he was 100% right to take off Colback and Janamat – who were both on yellow cards and both not playing very well. Townsend came off only because he has just returned from injury and isn’t 100% fit yet.

    He clearly values De Jong who I thought changed the game. Perez was lost in the first half and wasn’t able to link the play. De Jong slotted straight in and suddenly we were able to transition forward which pinned Sunderland back and Big Sam yelling at his team to press couldn’t change it. Had Mitro not knocked himself out we might have had another.

    Rafa’s substitutions changed the game. Those whining about Sissoko being moved to LB being a stupid move seem to overlook the fact that we were getting mauled before Rafa did that.

    Whilst I’m scared now that we might not get enough points to avoid relegation, I’m ecstatic that we finally have a manager who can make tactical changes that effect the outcome of a game.

  • 80 ilovetoon8788 // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:42 AM

    Rafa did a good job yesterday. But are we the only team without a ball winning centre midfielder? If we had an in form Tiote we could have dominated the midfield. Kirchhoff was outstanding yesterday. Without a midfield destroyer we are suffering.

    I can’t see this team staying up. If we are to survive we will need other team dropping points. No way this shower of sheite can get goals or 3 points to win matches.

  • 81 davis_toons // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:43 AM

    (A) Norwich (W) Hopefully we can get a win or at least a draw; they are hard to beat.

    (A) Palace (L) They are too fast in attacking and their teamwork is much better. (Not that Pardew is good; the team have been playing together for a while, and have very fast players to contain.)

    (H) Swansea (W) Hopefully we can win this or draw this one at least.

    For the next 3 games, Norwich or Swansea is one of the must win or something that we cannot have a negative results or the slump will continue……and Rafa effect will no-longer be effective…. and down we go.

  • 82 Santon03 // Mar 21, 2016 at 3:35 AM

    We’ll definitely stay up! 1st game lose, 2nd game draw, 3rd game definitely a win. I reckon we will get 6 wins 2 draws for remaining games. Rafa will have 2 weeks to prepare for next game.

    Rafa definitely has to start with SDJ next game, when he came on suddenly spaces open up, Perez couldn’t move before SDJ in.

    It was very nervous team in 1st half, definitely too much pressures on the team. Not only league position, but the derby record as well.

    It was the most attacking side on 2nd half, 4 strikers and only 2 real defenders.

    Great job by Mitro, but we ended up with 10 men again, seems like we were not meant to win against mackems.

  • 83 ilovetoon8788 // Mar 21, 2016 at 4:07 AM

    I will be very curious to see how rafa shapes our squad and how the team plays at Norwich. A draw at Norwich Wil seal our return to the championship..

    3 points or game over.

  • 84 Santon03 // Mar 21, 2016 at 4:07 AM

    Sissoko is more effective facing toward his opponents rather than on his back. He was more effective as LB, will he start as LB next game?

  • 85 jimmysmith // Mar 21, 2016 at 4:57 AM

    There has been terrible disconnect between Carr and Charnley, and the coach/manager, that would allow us to go into such a critical season without the CB, FB and top young finisher we all knew we needed. Surely this wouldn’t have happened if Pardew, McC or Benitez were more involved. For those who still think Rafa is odds on to save us, take a look at the table, and consider our form for over a year now, and ask yourself where the defending and the attacking quality we need is likely to come from.

  • 86 Veltman // Mar 21, 2016 at 6:07 AM

    Munster is absolutely right.Playing Sissoko on the left is highly questionable and madness .I trust Benitez’s setup,but why didn’t he atleast swapped him to the right to see how he does instead of sticking him on the left for the whole 90min?He was not that effective on the left in his first 2 games under Benitez.He was more powerful on the right,and had good combination with Janmaat going forward.I was very optimistic under Benitez the minute he signed,but now,I’m not so sure.If we can’t beat the teams around us,esp at home,I can’t see us staying and we deserve to go down.
    I wanted to say lots of things but the less said the better.It’s better to keep quiet and watch what will happen between now and end of the season.

  • 87 The overrated Frenchman // Mar 21, 2016 at 6:23 AM

    I’m happy to see Sissoko on the left. He’s not a winger, he doesn’t cross (very much) so he’s likely to be more effective cutting inside in my view. I wouldn’t have him at full-back mind. I think Townsend is better for us on the right because he will track back more to cover Janmaat.

  • 88 LGFUAD21 // Mar 21, 2016 at 6:57 AM

    I have mixed feelings on yesterday’s result.

    We really needed the win and couldve gotten it. But we were atrocious in the first half.

    In reality fat SAMs tactics played into our hands. Sunderland say off in the second half and it suited us more.

    I thought Colback and janmaat kept making stupid decisions. Mbemba looked a bit rusty. Lascelles is looking solid though. Seems to remain calm.

    Even though Shelvey didn’t wow I think he still does a lot that goes unnoticed. Without his ability on the ball we’d conceded so much more.

    Gini had his moments but also disappeared. I definitely think he’s better in a deeper role though.

    Townsend for me was our best performer after elliott. I’d probably say that was his best performance for us in terms of influencing the game. If he develops more of a chemistry with his team mates he could be decent.

    Sissoko had his usually 10 mins but aside from that was woeful. He has all the attributes but he doesn’t have the brains. He runs into players rather than taking them on. And worse he now gets in others way.

    Perez. We all know he’s a good finisher with nifty feet but again struggles with the tempo and lack of space and time in this league. Not sure he is the solution.

    Mitro was underwhelming until the last half hour but boy does he have the spirit. It was almost touching to see how much he wanted to stay on and win.

    De Jong impressed me. He needs to be more mobile but he got around the pitch and more often than not used the ball well. I expected better movement in the box from him though. I kinda hope to see him given a chance in the number 10 spot. That pass to set Moussa off shouldve lead to the winner.

    Cisse nearly scored with his first touch. I think he could be the answer to our goals.

    Anita was thrown into the deep eNd put into what looked at times to be a back 3 and did pretty well I think.

    I don’t like giving credit to Sunderland but Kirchoff was the key man for them. I don’t get why they took him off but I am glad they did. He was not only preventing us from playing in the first half but he was also creating a lot for them.

    Defoe also proves where we went wrong. We were linked with him. Recently he’s shown his class and why so many tottenham fans regard him highly. He makes it easier for his team mates and couldve had a hattrick. We need that.

    Disappointed to not have 3 points but thankful to not have another loss. Really we needed all 3 but at least our season isn’t quite over yet.

    There seems to be a lot of miscommunication at the moment. Probably as a result of benitez trying to get smarter off the ball movement from players. I hope this gets sorted over the next week.

    Based on yesterday my team for Norwich would be.

    Janmaat Mbemba lascelle anita
    Shelvey Gini
    Townsend de Jong sissoko

  • 89 optimistic prime // Mar 21, 2016 at 7:01 AM

    Sissisko is shite on the left or right!
    Flatters to deceive and offers nothing, can’t tackle shoot or pass,

    Run Forest Run

    Personally I’d drop Perez too, if we’re to play 442 I’d prefer Gini or Cisse with Mitro and in a 4231 Gini would be behind striker again, we need more movement up top, Perez is to lightweight for me and doesn’t offer enough over 90mins.

    A draw wasn’t the worst result, Rafas still getting a feel for the squad. I was a bit dissapointed he didn’t change formation as we struggled against their 3 in the middle but at the end they were hanging on, another 10mins we’d have won!

    We’d have folded like a pack of cards under Mclaren so it was good to see us putting them under real pressure in last 25.

  • 90 Santon03 // Mar 21, 2016 at 7:20 AM


    I agree with you.
    Mitro definitely will give this squad example of fighting spirit that is needed, he will give his arms away for this team to win. He could have gotten a penalty when Kaboul wrestle him to the ground without looking at the ball.
    Gini played well, he linked the attacks much better than Jonjo.
    SDJ gave more options to the attack, he definitely took the pressure of Perez, when he was on the field suddenly Perez found more space.
    Kirchoff definitely was the best in sunderland, he kept Perez quiet.

  • 91 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Mar 21, 2016 at 7:45 AM

    Only reason we got a point today was Allerdyce’s lack of commitment in going for another goal to kill us off instead he sat back – brought on defensive players and sat back which allowed our players more time and space.

    Must admit we were lucky to go in only one down – first half display looked like McClown was still managing. Would of hooked Colback after his yellow card – was a liability. Give to many free-kicks away as the Mackems were quicker to the ball and wanted it more.

    Total lack of movement off the ball.

    Build up play to slow and sideways lack of movement resulting in being easy to close down and the ball being passed back to Elliot who HOOOOOOOFs it aimlessly. Elliot had a good game but his distribution crap like Krul’s.
    Nobody really stood out. Mitro battled well with little help fro Perez but I gave our MoM to Lascalles who had a solid game.

    Shelvey played too deep almost as a third centre half. Bringing on Anita and Di Jong seemed to steady the ship a bit of composure in the centre of the park

    Gonna be a BIG struggle to get out of the bottom 3

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