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Newcastle Need To Be Relegated – Ginola’s Flawed Logic

12:50 pm, Monday, March 21st, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 37 Comments

Former Newcastle winger David Ginola thinks the best thing that can happen to Newcastle this season is for us to return to the Championship and take the opportunity to get the club sorted out – so we can have a better club in the future.

And seven years ago a number of fans also thought it would be good to be relegated – for much the same reasons.

However, this time things are a lot different in terms of the finances – and we stand to lose £150M a season with the new £5.1B Premier League TV rights clicking in next season.

So we will really lose out big time financially compared to other top English clubs – if we go down.

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David Ginola while at Newcastle

This is what the 49 year-old has said on the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast today:

“I would like to see Newcastle stay in the Premier League, but on the other hand I think going down to the Championship could be good for the club.”

“They need to go back to scratch, they need to start all over again. For many years Newcastle has been in a situation like this and at some stage they need to realise that things need to be dealt with properly.”

“They’ve brought in Rafael Benitez, but if they’re relegated at the end of the season he will go. Who is going to be their next manager?”

“So please Newcastle United, let’s go down to the Championship! Let’s start again, let’s have a manager for the next five years, let’s work on the academy and bring some talents from the academy into the first-team.”

“Forget about just trying to stay in the Premier League. If you do this, you’re going to be stronger over the next five years.”

The very fact that if we stay in the Premier League means Rafa Benitez will stay with Newcastle surely means things will better.

Rafa will help build the right foundations at Newcastle – since he’s worked at many big clubs – and he will be in charge of all the transfers and Graham Carr will go back at being a Chief Scout.

So isn’t that a key reason to stay in Premier League?

At the moment we are the 17th richest club in the world and we will be nowhere near that from now on – and who says we will come straight back up if we have to get a new manager in to replace Benitez?


David Ginola today

Ginola is right that things need to be handled correctly at the club.

The people effectively running the club this season – Lee Charnley and Graham Carr – are both way over their heads – and Lee stayed with his choice for what he described as the  perfect head coach – Steve McClaren – for far too long.

That dithering and lack of decisiveness from the Managing Director could well end up in us being relegated this season – and for a club who have spent more than any other PL club this season in the two transfer windows.

Is that embarrassing or is that embarrassing?

Graham Carr is acting like a Director of Football and spent £82M of the club’s money but e didn’t bring in the right players to strengthen the side in the positions we were weak in.

We still have a poor defense that has conceded a whopping 55 goals and scored only 29 goals in 30 games.

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We are without a good left-back or a top center-back – and we still don’t have  a striker who is a proven Premier League goalscorer.

Those were all problems last summer and they have still not been fixed.

So make no mistake – if we are relegated there will be books written about the complete incompetence and ineptitude of those running Newcastle from the top.

We can almost guarantee that – the incompetence has been completely stunning – and you only have to look at our results to see that.

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37 responses so far ↓

  • 1 LGFUAD21 // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:15 PM

    Ginola’s logic is extremely flawed.

    Maybe if it happened last year,

    I think this season is shock enough to Ashley that things need to change. I actually think we saw signs of a different approach in January but Schteeve should have gone.

    2 things have killed our season.

    1) Not making the call to sack Mcclaren somewhere between January and the trip to Spain. By that point we’d given him enough of a chance and there were no signs that change was coming.

    2) Not getting the signings we needed in January. In part i feel slightly (just a tiny tiny tiny bit bad for Schteeve) because most season we have played with a makeshift back 4. We needed a left back and a striker in January. Think of all those games where we’ve conceded with Colback or someone else having to cover. If we had 6 more points we’d have been safe. 6 points that couldve been gained by not having Aarons or Colback playing out of position.

    My concern is that it looks like we may have to play Norwich with 2 makeshift fullbacks. Norwich is 100% a must win.

  • 2 Tsunki // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:15 PM

    What’s the point in bad mouthing Benitez at this stage or even any stage? I think we will be relegated, but I won’t pin the blame on Rafa no matter how badly we stumble into the pit. The blame lies on Ashley, the man who stuck with a bumbling board of hopeless dabblers, who in turn tried to hire bargain basement coaching staff and a scouting ‘network’ based on business favours and thrift store scrounging. For such a wily trader Mr Ashley has fudged the whole setup from the top down, and worse still has watched idly for years while this whole pathetic tableau played out its dismal course until calamity was assured – before playing his “ambition” card. Pathetic show all round.

  • 3 Ian Toon // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:19 PM

    Playing with one ST just highlights our impotence. We don’t have a striker capable of fulfilling the role, either they’re not strong enough, not a good enough finisher, or they don’t hold up play well enough.

    Why not play two together as a unit and their strengths could complement each other. With Aarons attacking down one wing and Townsend the other, Shelvey pulling the creative strings and Wijnaldum arriving in the box; there would be goals in the team. Scoring goals is our biggest problem. OK this season we have also displayed, all too often an inability to defend but given our perilous position let’s be bold.

    We beat Norwich earlier in the season at SJP by such means. On a rare occasion that we’ve looked potent this season. Benitez is the man to throw off our shackles. We’ll know soon enough if he can get the team moving forward.

  • 4 Tsunki // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:21 PM

    it’s cold comfort but at least we will have few if you Ashley apologists to content with on here when we do go down. Look what he has done to this club since he “saved” it! ( itself a specious argument because the supposed inevitable bankruptcy never happened, did it?). He has turned us from a champions league capable club within touching distance of cups and league title to a perennial PL scrounger hobbling about in the basement, the sporting tramp of the Division that doesn’t even look like it belongs. The guy is a shame and using this great club as his money making vacuum cleaner while we pay good money to watch the spectacle of us being simultaneously shafted and ridiculed. Bravo you fat leech.

  • 5 Tsunki // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:23 PM

    In short, if ever a rich man with a hatred of the Geordies was capable of pulling off a grand revenge, Ashley has achieved just that.

  • 6 LGFUAD21 // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:35 PM

    I used to think that this teams needs to be set up to counter using its pace on the attack.

    But yesterday every time we got at Sunderland our players chocked. They either fluffed the finish or seemed to stop and wait letting themselves be tackled. Every shot was directly at Manone.

    We either need to stop trying to play into players feet and get them running full pelt to the finish.

    OR we need to start trying to slow games down. We struggle with high tempo. We struggled in the first half against Sunderland and Leicester because they put pressure on us and sped the game up. We got scrappy and when we get scrappy we get careless. We saw this against Watford too this season.

    We need to take the pace out of the game and I think Tiote could be the man to do it.

    Mitro needs to start making space for himself.

    For example yesterday. Defoe would always stay to one side leaving space in the box to attack. It fooled our CBs every time as they thought they had him under control. He was deliberately letting our CBs mark him in one area of the box with intention to attack a different.

    Mitrovic was walking into the area he wanted to attack meaning he was already marked and were he to shrug off his market would then be in the wrong area.

    His hold up play and attitude are great but himself and the team are not playing to his strengths.

    Personally I though Perez was a waste yesterday. He was bullied off the ball every time so was not performing the role of a number 10. At the same time he was not getting into the box off the ball. That’s why i’d like to see either a De Jong/Cisse or a De Jong/ Mitro partnership.

    De Jong proved he could track back, win a ball, use it well and then get into the attack yesterday. And he’s had less experience in the Prem than Perez.

  • 7 Tsunki // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:35 PM

    What Daveeeed says is not anyway, but there is some sense in seeing the positives that can come from accepting relegation.

    It could galvanise Mr Ashley to focus clearly on proper football consultation, which will summarily eject Messrs Carr and Charnley and any other financial ‘advisors’ from the building.

    He could hire a board consisting of a managing director with a top footballing management background, and a proper scouting TEAM, not a time-ravaged yes man with a stingy remit.

    He could do all he can to retain Benitez, and demonstrate his desire to return to top flight with a vengeance by sticking his hand in his own, not the clubs, pocket to assemble a worthy team to solidly perch in the PL. From there he could assert an influence to buy top players once more that will actually believe we aspire to be a top PL club again.

    Pigs might fly.

  • 8 Tsunki // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:36 PM

    Is moot anyway…

  • 9 LGFUAD21 // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:37 PM


    Ashley is not sabotaging the club deliberately. He’s just too stupid to get it right.

    No matter how rich he is. The amount this venture has cost him is way beyond what anyone would do in the name of revenge.

    I think he’s got a “too big to fail” attitude and he’s thought “it wont happen again. not at this club”. They have made changes, jsut the wrong ones each time

  • 10 LGFUAD21 // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:38 PM

    Tsunki to add

    I’m not defending Ashley. I want him out because of his negligence and ineptitude.

    I just hate the conspiracy theory that he bough a club just to sabotage it for some kind of personal vendetta.

  • 11 Tsunki // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:38 PM

    Lgfuad – you do realise that all you’ve just mentioned is highly unlikely to be fixed don’t you? At least not in time to save us.

  • 12 Ian Toon // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:39 PM

    Ed – You’re right. Of course you are. No no of course you’re!
    It’s just that we are where we are. Let’s put all our positivity and energy in righting the ship NUFC under Benitez.
    Plenty of time to feel sorry for ourselves in the summer if we are relegated.

    I have just bought one of only a few remaining £ 40 tickets in the Jarrold Stand at Norwich. The toon army, under Benitez, have not given up the ghost or thrown in the towel. As Belfast MIGHT have said only a wet lettuce would.

  • 13 Tsunki // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:40 PM

    Lgfuad – no, it’s a stupid notion to actually believe Ashley would waste good money trashing the club, I’m just pointing out the depth of ineptitude on his part by saying that.

  • 14 Tsunki // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:41 PM

    Well if BELFAST said it….

  • 15 TheToonKing // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:43 PM

    don’t agree with Ginola, but we’re going down regardless.

    Yesterdays game showed. If we put in that performance after everything leading up to this derby, we’re goners. We needed the win yesterday.

    Rafa was brought in to late unfortunately.

  • 16 NoahJ // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:46 PM

    There will be a clear out at the end of the season regardless, so it doesn’t make sense to have the added disaster of relegation.

    players I would build a team around: mbemba, aarons, wiji, shelvey, perez, mitro, armstrong

    the rest, seriously (even sissoko, krul, janmaat), can go

    the absolute must-gos: marveaux, obertan, gouffran, colocinni, tiote, colback, cisse, curtis good

  • 17 bettyswallocks // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:46 PM

    In the second half yesterday we managed to get hold of the ball and put a few attacking moves together. This was only because they sat back and allowed us onto them.

    Allardyce himself pointed out that he couldn’t understand why they didn’t continue the high pressing , in our faces tactics from the first half as this had completely nullified us as an attacking force and forced us to continually pass it backwards. This has been our problem all season when teams press high we have nobody confident enough to play out from the back and have no answer other than back passes.

    The only way I can see us scoring enough to maybe survive is to play 2 up front with 2 wingers and bombard the box with crosses. I know this isn’t the modern way but it’s too late to experiment with formations.

  • 18 Ibizatoon // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:46 PM

    Hello kiddies,

    Just seen Mike on Sky News.

    He actually “cares about the people” at Sports Direct.

    I also read that regarding Newcastle he’s still hopeful we’ll avoid relegation, that’s he’s still committed (whoop whoop) and that “We’re stuck with each other”

    Not jumping in to the derby game. There are signs of improvement, but the ever nearing end of season makes it hard to shake the notion that it’s too little, too late. There is still some time and hope though. We’re not mathematically done quite yet.

  • 19 Tsunki // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:47 PM

    LGFUAD – I don’t think it’s a ‘too big to fail’ attitude. it’s an almost negligent lack of attention to what his charges have been doing. He’s obviously instructed the board to operate frugally in the interests of the Company at all times. But keep afloat in the premier league – minimum expensive versus maximum income, a balanced equation of cost/benefit. Charnley thought he was capable of levelling this squad at mid table, but he has implemented a too-rigid trade and scout policy that has skimmed the lower levels for a time that baffles any spectator of Ashleys prior business dealings.

    How he has allowed the whole thing to rot from under him I do not understand

  • 20 Ian Toon // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:52 PM

    Betty – You’re agreeing with me at 3- this must be a first. I’ll quit whilst I’m ahead.

  • 21 Tsunki // Mar 21, 2016 at 1:54 PM

    Here’s the tactic that has lost us the season, and has been utilised by every team we’ve played bar very few –

    Sit back and defend in numbers, nufc have no skill at feet and cannot get into the box. Be ready to catch them on the break as half of them will stroll back and there will always be one or two of them still offside should the attack break down.

    Press until they retreat to the goalkeeper, he will usually hoof it out inaccurately, they are small and non-commital in the air, so it’s a 70/30 chance we will remain possession immediately. If they do okay out from the back, press in numbers – they will make a stupid mistake or pass back to the keeper.

    One goal is usually enough, but two goals almost certainly kill the game off as they have low morale.

  • 22 Thump // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:07 PM

    I suppose there’s a reason Ginola didn’t go into management…

  • 23 jayphoto // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:14 PM

    Newcastles problem, similar to one the national team has had is that we pick players, we don’t pick a team.
    For me, its been pretty clear that Sissoko doesn’t fit into the way Rafa wants to play (hence being shunted out left) and each time we’ve looked more dangerous when a)hes been taken off against Leicester or b) he dropped to fullback against sunderland.
    Similarly we move gini all over the place to fit him in.
    We need to choose a system and then put the best players for that system on the pitch and unfortunately if that means a couple of big name players miss out then so be it. Mitrovic is obviously more affective when played with someone closer to him. De Jong or Cisse will do this. Perez and gini have proven that they don’t do this consistently. Lascelles is a better choice than colo. His aerial strength and the fact hes much quicker than colo make up for his inexperience and occasional bad positioning. (colos rashness and positioning are shocking anyway)
    I actually think we’re quite well suited to a 3-5-2, 5-3-2 system but with colo as a sweeper rather than as a flat back 3. would accommodate janmaat being better going forward than backwards, left side I think townsend has the attributes to do it, if not, it’d give colback more protection as a left back.
    Shelvey, Gini and probably sissoko in the middle, Mitro and for me papiss or de jong up top! round pegs in round holes left back aside!

  • 24 hibbitt // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:17 PM

    what a set of moaning defeatist losers we have on here would surrender before the battle started just as well the fans in the ground and around the city back Rafa and the team most on here come on for a moan……. if we go down we will go down fighting not just give up ……it was a derby there never easy

  • 25 Ian Toon // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:17 PM

    As I said above we continue to offer little going forward. This generally has been easy to defend against. The mackems in the first half did just sat back and soak up minimal pressure. This is the way Fat Sam sets his sides up.
    Far too often Townshend/Sissko/Perez/ simply dribbled the ball into a defender. Shelvey provided little creativity or vision with his passing and movement. Benitez made changes in the second half and this improved. I said above where we need further change in order to open teams up. He recognised post match the need to get more balls into the box. Cisse timing his runs and playing on the shoulder of the last man will create space for Mitrovic.

    Rolando Aarrons deserves an opportunity.

  • 26 bettyswallocks // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:24 PM

    Tsunki………@21. Well explained. Good assessment from a non footballing man.

  • 27 ilovetoon8788 // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:24 PM

    The scums result mean we will be playing championship footy next season. As I said before the game, we needed a win and anything less is lights out for us…

    Rafa was brought in too late. The useless Charnley and Carr must now begin work preparation for our season in the championship.

    We need to rebuild again. Charnley and Carr and players like sissoko should hang their head in shame.

    I can’t believe for all the hype and energy and euphoria of benitez signing, we were still served up the usual dross. 2nd best to the scums in every department.

  • 28 ilovetoon8788 // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:30 PM


    I’ll let you enjoy your own rallying cry of going down fighting. Lol.

    The lot that turned up yesterday went down fighting with a whimper. Useless bunch them lots..

  • 29 Jib // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:31 PM

    After the game you could quite clearly see Rafa say to Antonio Gonez “mañana empezamos ”
    A strange thing to say after 2 games in charge !

  • 30 Tsunki // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:31 PM

    Betty – well it takes one ha ha

    Hibbit – moaning defeatist losers? How very dare you! 🙂

    I think there’s something equally valorous about squaring up to inevitability with head held high. Just saying something is going to happen doesn’t mean defeatism. It means acknowledging reality. Why should it mean I support any the less? I’ll still be willing us on even if its more mathematical than physical now.

  • 31 Jib // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:34 PM

    Betty @ 26 😀

  • 32 Jib // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:35 PM

    Gomez even

  • 33 Tsunki // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:35 PM

    Jeff @31 😀

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  • 37 martoon // Mar 21, 2016 at 2:51 PM

    hibbitt @24 – Well said there is a long way to go before we throw in the towel just yet. We play most of the teams around us and I think Palace will be dragged into it as well.

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