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Moncur – McClaren Did A Good Job – It Was A Privilege

9:20 am, Thursday, March 24th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 106 Comments

Bob Moncur is a member of Newcastle´s Board and was involved in getting Rafa Benitez to the club a couple of weeks ago.

But he was also part of the Board that appointed Steve McClaren in the first place and that has turned out to be a complete and utter disaster for the club and Steve´s horrendous record at Newcastle of 24 points from 28 games could still be what finally gets us relegated this season.

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The Board made a very poor choice in McClaren, who had just been fired from Derby County and then they compounded that mistake by waiting far too long before they fired him.

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Bob Moncur –  Steve did a good job

So some of Bob´s comments today in the Chronicle are a little rich to say the least.

Here´s some of what Moncur has said:

There’s always reasons for managerial change and things don’t always go as smoothly as you’d like them to sometimes. It’s very easy to criticize but there’s always two sides to the story and there’s an explanation for it.

Steve did his best as head coach and he’s been in the game long enough to know when the crowd turn on you a little bit there can be no way back. He knew that as well, and that’s football. It’s unfortunate sometimes and you pay the price.

Steve did a good job and I got on well with him. He is a very good coach and I was privileged enough to be in some of his team meetings and I have to say when I listened to what he said it all made sense.

Sometimes, though, the players didn’t produce – especially away from home. But the boss always takes the blame for results and when players don’t turn it on.

Let´s tell the truth here – Steve´s reign was  a disaster from start to finish – the record shows that – it´s not my opinion.

It started by getting three draws in the first eight league games – the worst start ever in the PL for the club – and ended with five defeats in his final six games in charge – and that was after we had spent another £29M on new players in January.

At some point we need to hear why the Board thought Steve McClaren should have been appointed the Newcastle head coach in the first place, only days after he had been fired from Championship club Derby County.

How come a fired Championship manager was what Lee Charnley referred to as the perfect head coach for Newcastle?

Of course that was all  nonsense and just shows you how much Charnley knows about football.

As Kevin Keegan said earlier this year on BeIN Sports:

“If you asked Lee Charnley to write what he knows about football on a postage stamp he wouldn’t fill it.”

The Board has run the club this season for Mike Ashley – and they are totally responsible for the mess we are in right now – and they managed to spend £82M on new players in creating the mess.

Owner Mike Ashley is ultimately responsible,  because he  appointed the Board last summer and waited too long to intervene and tell them to fire McClaren and get Benitez in.

It seems the owner was also trying to distance himself from the mess in those rather strange comments he made on Tuesday about the Newcastle Board.

It´s simply a disgrace and we expect those people who put us in this mess to be held accountable in the summer – that´s what happens in the real business world when incompetence means we miss out on £150M.

And we don´t want to hear any more self-serving nonsense like this from any other Board member.

We´re not kidding when we say there will be books written about the mismanagement of Newcastle United this season and everything they did wrong – they could be pretty thick books too.

Tags: Board of Directors · Business · Coaching · Management · Newcastle News · Other News · Premier League · Press

106 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Jib // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:24 AM

    It’s currently 5.20 am in North Carolina.
    Unless Ed has insomnia these articles are pre-planned

  • 2 Toon Tang // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:24 AM

    Yes. He did a good job Bob


  • 3 Toon Tang // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:26 AM

    Eds been on an all-night bender and is sticking out a few stories before he hits the hay eh

  • 4 one fine day // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:26 AM

    From previous
    Agree totally
    But the point I am making is as good as Rafa is he has players like Taylor etc to work with who have been poorly coached for years so as much as he set us up right you can’t take basic in competence out of the equation .
    Says something when sissoko looked more solid at full back

  • 5 Jib // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:28 AM

    Leicester City and Swansea City both interested in signing Newcastle United defender Gideon Adu-Peprah.
    Who ?

  • 6 nut meg // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:29 AM

    Some times it’s best to keep your thoughts to yourself Bob,this is one of those times!!

  • 7 Jail for Ashley // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:31 AM

    The crowd turned on him. If we hadn’t he’d still be here then Bob???
    Reading the Masked Magicians post then repost about Ashley doing his best and the coffee shop scenario. What he failed to mention was that success has never been part of his plan. He had huge support after that summer we bought Cabaye etc for next to nothing and justified it by finishing fifth once it dawned on everyone bar Jib and one or two others that he had no intentions of winning anything ever, that was when people started to hate everything he stood for regarding the club.

  • 8 Jib // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:32 AM

  • 9 one fine day // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:32 AM

    Yes bob
    Indeed there will be two sides to the story
    But the side featuring massive incompetence behind the scenes of which you were part of will never come out via your lips,otherwise you will be pushed from your gravy train and be back on the taxi rank
    This summer please Rafa in
    Keep cathro
    Moncur / penfold/ Beardsley. Out

  • 10 lesh // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:35 AM

    It goes without saying that Moncur would try to mitigate for McClaren’s failure as HC – he was part of the clique which appointed him in the first place.

    Moncur’s probably feeling the heat along with Charnley and Carr and we can expect more mutual support from the three of them.

  • 11 Laurent Robert 32 // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:38 AM

    It’s part of the manager’s job to get the players to be focused and playing to their maximum each week as well, alongside top coaching, Bob.

  • 12 kimbo // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:44 AM

    Newcastle United U18, U21 and 1st Teams have played 76 games this season and won 16 games. A total clear out is required from top to bottom. There is a loser mentality throughout the club and it needs to be stopped, it is now to late for the 1st team and will result in relegation but we must prepare for next season and a statement from Rafa saying he is staying is the priority, come on Ashley sort it!!!!!!!

  • 13 Jib // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:50 AM

    Even those most opposed to McClaren’s appointment (and that includes Ed who was lukewarm at best) could not have forecast the unmitigated disaster that transpired.

    No one around the country can ever again accuse Newcastle fans of intolerance or impatience .The Stadium stuck with him right up until the Bournemouth farce.

    I personally don’t think we would have had a chance of getting Rafa until we were so deep in the brown stuff that he had the club by the stotts and could dictate his own conditions.

  • 14 The overrated Frenchman // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:50 AM

    It’s curious how most of the better young players we “produce” actually come from elsewhere (like Gideon, Aarons, Toney, etc) when we have such an outstanding Academy. “Never been in better shape” I recall someone saying recently, or words to that effect.

  • 15 Rotonda heights // Mar 24, 2016 at 9:55 AM


    Really hope the club don’t do another Kemen and Abeid with this kid, ie flogging them without a real proper look at them. who knows how good they could have been with decent coaching.

  • 16 Rotonda heights // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:00 AM


    I think given the history on SM’s CV, I think most people could see it becoming as you say, an unmitigated disaster.

    Recently sacked from all of Forest, Derby, Wolfsburg and not managed in the premiership for 11 years were pretty major red alerts.

  • 17 one fine day // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:01 AM

    Getting Ashley to sort anything and finally go all out to get a top manager after 8 years would represent a huge shift in his modus operandi.
    Best case scenario would be he puts Rafa in place to attract new buyers and does one.
    It’s true we have a loosing mentality running through the club from top to bottom
    Now away against the top four fair enough try and grab a point and put in a decent show but after years of kinear/ Pardue / Maclaren etc lowering our expectations to the point where a point at home to teams like villa and calling games away at Stoke etc as tough fixtures… ? Ffs!
    Thing is I believe we are at the point where we are so low that we are pretty much as we were when Keegan took over the first time and we know how very quickly the whole situation of this club can be turned around with the right attitudes in place .
    No one in English football deserves at top side more than us .

  • 18 jayphoto // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:03 AM

    Heard that Adu-Peprah has been kept training with the first team squad and hasn’t been moved out with the reserves…
    Know zero about the kid mind, 17/18 seems a bit young to be thrown in the deep end but then id argue an 18 year old specIalist left back would be better than colback at left back if he’s physically strong enough

  • 19 one fine day // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:03 AM

    Damn auto correct

  • 20 ArtyH // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:07 AM

    HA HA HA, he must need medication to stay in the real world, thankfully we all know better, just proves he needs to go too along with Charnley and Carr.

  • 21 21st Century Schizoid Man // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:11 AM

    Tufty was always going to be a mediocre, mid table don’t rock the boat type appointment. That fact that 8th position was seen as an aspiration shows that.
    Fitted the Ashley model perfectly – stay in the Prem, don’t cost too much, don’t overachieve, and definitely don’t win anything. Europe is too expensive and complicated for the management team.

  • 22 hibbitt // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:15 AM

    interesting comments Bobby ……..But the boss always takes the blame for results……………try telling your boss that ????

  • 23 lesh // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:25 AM


    If Rafa’s dictated and is dictating his own terms, then it’s not before time we had someone in place who has the knowledge and experience to repair the damage caused by the incompetents who’ve made such a mess of a once fine Club.

    All power to his elbow and let’s hope he stays to turn the Club into a successful one.

  • 24 martoon // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:26 AM

    Jib @1- Ed gets up at about 3am local time to write his articles, some of them are obviously prepared previously but so what! Presumably he then goes back to bed and gets up about lunch time, scans all the reports, and writes a couple more articles which we see at about tea time. Good on him I say 🙂

  • 25 The overrated Frenchman // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:29 AM

    Spot on schizoid man. McClaren was an appointment which reflected the intellect and character of Charnley quite perfectly.

  • 26 lesh // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:30 AM


    Alan Kennedy, who went on to play for Liverpool and England, played left back for us when he was 16.

    If they’re got it in them, the kids are good enough for the Prem.

  • 27 Ian Toon // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:36 AM

    One fine day– We are nowhere near in the same dilemma as Keegan first time around . You seem resigned to the worst rather than looking at what could quite reasonably transpire. Ashley despite being a businessman first and foremost will not want his ownership of NUFC and legacy as failure.

    Benitez already seems to be undertaking a full root and branch of the club whilst trying to keep our head above the water line. Benitez as an Overlord – early Arsene Wenger moulding the club. Could be the start of something big with us only on the first rungs of the ladder. Whether relegated or not. I still think we will stay up!

    Newcastle’s wages-revenue ratio for the season spent in the Championship was 90.6%, despite slashing the wage bill by the close of the 2009 summer transfer window.
    Should relegation occur the parachute payments will mitigate some loss of revenue but we would be facing the massive loss of potential tv money. Despite assurances to the contrary the club will be making contingency plans. Even Charnley is good at running cash flow numbers.

  • 28 catchy in norway // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:50 AM

    WOW Ed, your a funny old man arnt you, you were 100% behind Pardew up until he left, and he left with some amazing records, and im not talking about the good kind,

    the results might not have been there under Shteve, but the football was light years ahead of pardews,

    You do spout some pap, along with Bob and Lee, i think there is enough room on that stamp for all 3 of you to put what you know on it and still have room

  • 29 Jib // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:52 AM

    I wasn’t complaining about Ed’s routine – just explaining for those who don’t know , why a new article pops up after just a few posts.

  • 30 davetoon // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:56 AM

    Will there be any optimists left if we lose to Norwich next week?

  • 31 catchy in norway // Mar 24, 2016 at 10:58 AM


    who cares, if we are relegated, the loss of money will be made up be supporters footing the bill in some way or another,

    fans could have and should made a statement and forced the club to do something about p45 way before he chose to leave, leaving the club in the driving position, instead, fans like you watched thhis train wreck happen and clapped as it crashed.

    well done all those all those fans who jyst slept through the match just to have some alone time from the missus.

    the very fact that rafa is here right now means we could have had him or someone like him much sooner, IF ACTION WAS TAKEN. all that was said was we couldnt attract anyone

  • 32 Rotonda heights // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:00 AM

    The carrot of staying up is absolutley massive.
    The prospect of stripping us back root and branch under the tutelage of a master coach is so tantalisingly close.

    Failure at the hands of charnley, carr and predominantly the players will see us slide through the trapdoor to potential oblivion.

    A horrible scenario where Rafa walks and we are left with another low grade managerial appointment a la AP, JC, SM etc, where we persist with deadbeats like Beardo and watson in the academy and the glorified teaboy and over promoted pensioner carry on with mediocrity unabated and unchecked.

    Survival = great hope for the future
    Relegation = armagheddon for the forseeable.

  • 33 Ian Toon // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:00 AM

    21- I see you’ve bought into The Mag / Jail mantra. Or given that you didn’t take to well to my power to the people – attempt at humour- maybe they bought into yours! I refer to the line that as long as we’re in the PL Ashley’s plan is working. Are you suggesting that the only way for him to change his mind is relegation?

    I see it more as him being cocooned in a business world- he simply doesn’t understand football ; although his moon stars comment suggests he’s now appreciating the fragility of getting it right one season means success going forward. Ashley got it absolutely right when he appointed Chris Mort as Chairman – he was a terrific recruit from Freshfields and we were run under governance guidelines when he was around. Llambias effectively replaced him as Managing Director. From the sublime to the ridiculous.

  • 34 Jib // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:03 AM

    I think you forgetting the Carver interregnum when the footy went back . So in fairness you should compare and contrast SM with JC’s half season , that’s where the dramatic improvement manifested itself.

  • 35 Rotonda heights // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:04 AM


    are there still optimists now?

    Rafa has been given an awful hand here.
    Of course you have to believe in miracles but imagining this lot getting off their collective a—-s for the greater good is a very long shot.

    Bookies rarely get it wrong, but please god let them be this time.

  • 36 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:05 AM

    Bit of a joke having no games over Easter for the International break. Use to enjoy the two games over Easter and the TOON use to do alright unlike Christmas. herumph

  • 37 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:09 AM

    Give it a rest Ian you have to be kidding if you’re saying Ashley has fumbled on with hundreds of millions of his own money entrusted to footballing inepts because he’s not sure what to do, bless him.

    He’s a decision maker, he made his cynical decisions, stuck with them in typically obstinate style and this time he didn’t have the golden touch. He could have stopped the rot and set us up like a proper competitive footballing concern years and years ago.

  • 38 Ian Toon // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:10 AM

    catchy- Quite a few care. I have no wish to re- fight battles of long ago. If you’re apportioning blame how about underperforming players under 3 managers?

    I haven’t been a season ticket holder since living darn sarf. I watch more away games these days and will be at Norwich.

  • 39 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:11 AM

    Oh Bob! How the mighty have been slain in battle! Once a hero, now the mouthpiece for the closing ranks of the failed fiscal cabal. Not your remit mate, to turn the spotlight on the fans as being responsible for McLarens downfall, is it? Terrible statement.

  • 40 hibbitt // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:14 AM

    Rotonda heights

    if there was ever a time to get behind the manager and the team its now of course its a long shot but long shots sometimes come in !!

  • 41 Jib // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:23 AM

    Moncur mentioned the crowd turning on SM ( probably thinking of the Bournemouth game ) but he certainly didn’t blame the crowd.
    If anything he blamed the players , which is an admission that Steve’s not the worlds best man manager.

    “Sometimes, though, the players didn’t produce – especially away from home. But the boss always takes the blame for results and when players don’t turn it on.”

  • 42 magscar // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:26 AM


    To be fair to Moncur I think he is also having a go at players who didn’t turn it on away.

    I don’t think he is blaming fans for turning either simply stating the obvious in the football world that once the crowd has been lost the gig is up.

  • 43 magscar // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:28 AM


    Great minds think alike eh? Tin hats on 😉

  • 44 Ian Toon // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:28 AM

    Tsunki- “We took the wrong step years ago”. Largely because of Ashley’s cocooned existence. He was confused by a 5th placed finish and thought no need to strengthen. He saw this and an incentivisation of Messrs Pardew, Carr etc as the answer. Running football as a business but only now is he acknowledging that they are very different. You’re seeing the whole sorry saga through your eyes and not his perspective as a non football person. He has made shocking mistakes but not to punish the Geordie nation.

    That guy earlier comparing us with a coffee shop was a wind up. I know you hate jam tomorrow but could Benitez be our fairy godmother or your knight in shining armour.

  • 45 spitfire_ // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:29 AM

    Yup. It’s so hard to confess that you’ve made a mistake, that you choose to speak what a great job did a guy, who you sacked a month ago.

  • 46 Lilongwe Geordie // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:29 AM

    Of course the players should take some blame. I’ve said it for years that none of them should escape their portion of blame. Players, manager and coaching staff, medical team, board and owner. They are each culpable to different extents.

  • 47 hibbitt // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:35 AM

    Moncur was definitely trying to keep the fans on side on sunday i for one don’t think Bobby has any say or influence with the board purely there to make the numbers up

  • 48 Sav // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:44 AM

    Oh, Bob. Oh, Bob, Bob, Bob.
    I was there to see you parade the Fairs Cup and admire you captain of Newcastle and Scotland. For this alone I’ was happy to see you acknowledged as club ambassador and even promoted to board member, although I was dubious about that one.
    But here we go:
    Macca and Board 2, Fans and Players 0.
    If, as a board member, you can’t speak up to make things better or even to admit mistakes, don’t come out with claptrap blaming everyone but yourself and the old pal’s act. Frankly, The sacking of Macca was treated no less incompetently than his hiring. You, Bob, were nominally responsible for both. If you don’t like the way it was done, or are powerless to change it, be a man and walk out the door. Don’t destroy my memory of you as once a hero.

  • 49 hibbitt // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:51 AM


    moncur and beardsley two of the clubs all time greats yet both happy to be yes men for ashley ……..oh how the might have fallen

  • 50 magscar // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:51 AM


    I think Moncur is there as a “face” and also to report on things like the fans’ responses. Not saying he is good at it just that is the way it is.

    Both him and Beardsley have been amongst my favorite players (the latter being my all time favorite) but i don’t rate their current contributions yet stop short of concerning myself as to whether they have sold their souls.

    Struggle to think of any former players who I now rate highly in their new careers including Shearer. Rob Lee, Lee Clark etc.. I have an interest in what happens to them but my focus remains the Club and owners, managers staff and players all move on eventually.

  • 51 Jib // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:56 AM

    You can be added to the list of bloggers on here who make their minds up on something before they read a word.
    The tenor of Moncur’s statement is “shit happens in football” plus a little bit of a pop at the players.

    I’m sure he doen’t need or want your condescending “Oh, Bob. Oh, Bob, Bob, Bob.”

    What have you ever done in your life of note ?

    Opiniated gobshite

  • 52 hibbitt // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:59 AM


    total agree with your thinking but my problem with bobby is i see him at every home game in his meet and greet roll nice man no doubt but he has sold his soul for a few shillings and making statements like that will burn a lot of bridges

  • 53 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:09 PM

    Jeff, Magscar, and any other blue sky thinkers –

    “when the crowd turn on you a little bit..”

    Where’s the ambiguity in that statement? It isn’t qualified by the statement –

    ” Sometimes, though,the players didn’t produce..” – that’s just an additional statement, and to say “sometimes” is hardly critical of the players is it?

    Just accept that Moncur, Football Legend, is a past figure, and not the same as Moncur, board stooge.

  • 54 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:11 PM

    Jeffs sign-off to Sav – classic. Kettle. Black. Pot.

  • 55 jimmysmith // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:12 PM

    It’s the managers job to get the side to be the best it can be. McC probably failed there, but clearly the squad is lacking in some key areas. if Rafa takes us down is he a dud too, or does McC carry the can for that as well.

    We are at least an experienced quality CB,CF, LB and DM away from the top 8 side they hoped against reason this one was going to be, and that’s a big chunk of the side, and more than enough to undermine any sort of genuine efficacy on the pitch.

    I think Rafa might be good enough to keep us up, we are only up against Sunderland and Norwich after all, but we aren’t a good team, and I don’t think you can blame McClaren for that, despite Ed’s persistent clamour to the contrary.

  • 56 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:14 PM

    Perhaps Bobby could have softened the blow a bit and tried to hide his deeper opinion of the fans versus McLaren. He could have said Mob, rabble, unruly gathering, baying hordes, bleating whingers, complainers, backbiting assembly, etc….

  • 57 WWSBRD // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:24 PM

    McClaren did a good job? Maybe he did but it wasn’t at Newcastle

    Bob what are u on about

  • 58 loonie-toon // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:24 PM
    Johnson goin armley oo shit bet he get smashed up with in a month 23 hour lock up serves nonce right

  • 59 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:28 PM

    He’ll be checking his porridge for glass every morning. Soap on a rope might be a good idea. Not that I know much about these things ofc.

  • 60 martoon // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:37 PM

    Jib @29 – Fair enough – I have to say Ed’s day must be weird – up at 3am, write some articles, back to bed for a few hours then get up and write a couple more articles. Sort out some of the bitching Emails then to bed early ready for the next day 🙂

  • 61 dok - the horrid colonial // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:40 PM

    from that link “A Facebook page that has nearly 5,000 followers has been set up in support of Johnson..

    who the fcuk would be supporting this guy?

  • 62 Ian Toon // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:41 PM

    There were no positive sign of progress by the team for months before Macca’s departure. It certainly seemed appropriate for him to be dismissed after the defeat at Chelsea. There was a breathtaking complacency by the Board. Macca should not be allowed to be a scapegoat for the failings of others.

  • 63 Jib // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:42 PM

    Johann Cruyff

  • 64 Mister Tuff // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:43 PM

    I always thought a blog was a place where contributors expressed an idea or commented upon something that happened or something that was said – then perhaps some debate would ensue.

    Appears that Commissar Jib Jibberish does not think so – well he does if it is his spoutings -but not other folks.

    Only one person has made a comment upon Jibs’ latest abuse of a poster – despite one or two folk being about. Would have expected some comments in support of Savs’ post – but not a peep out of them – shameful. More evidence of the true gobshites on here who let others do the heavy lifting to try and have a decent standard of blogging. Not worthy trench associates at all.

    And it now appears to justify a post you should list what you have done in life.
    Perhaps Commissar Jib should start off -seeing that it is his idea – (aye Jib – needn’t mention you are a lecturer in Modern European History – you’ve already told us about that) (still find it amazing, bearing in mind the time he spends on here – how he has the time to prepare the lectures for his students).

    There is no doubt who the true rent a gob is.

  • 65 cyprus // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:48 PM

    Off subject. So, is Steve ever going to work again? To the question: How many managers have never worked after us, ie. we finished them off? 😉

    Sounness, Gullit, Shearer, etc. etc… does anyone know. Out of interest.

  • 66 Jib // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:50 PM

    Mr Tuff
    Just to explain.
    Bob Moncur actually played for NUFC before he played for the team you supported before you changed allegiance .
    Are you one of the 5000 mackems supporting Adam Johnson on Facebook ?

  • 67 cyprus // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:51 PM

    Wow, Cruyff?!

    Amazing player

  • 68 Ian Toon // Mar 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM

    Cyprus- Macca is widely acknowledged as a first class coach. Redknapp always speaks highly of him.

  • 69 Jib // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:01 PM

    Lung cancer
    He was a really heavy smoker

  • 70 magscar // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:04 PM

    Tsunki @53

    No blue sky thinking here just don’t see storms in teacups all of the time.


    Yea OK perhaps if I saw him at games as you do my stance may well be different.

    From a distance I admittedly don’t get as concerned as some as to how former players try to make their living. Moncur of course is well outside of those 30 something millionaires who now flourish in the game so will still have to earn his corn. Seem to recall lot of talk last year or one before on here about his business situation which I didn’t think was said to be flourishing. Live and let live in his case for me.

  • 71 Veltman // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:05 PM

    Jib – perhaps you should give the blog a rest and refrain from it a bit.Too many people,including people that I thought knows the blog better than others,have been complaining about your posts or behavior.I have been in good relationship with you but it appears that you are trying to be the blog Guru,which you are not,in my point of view.So give it a rest.

  • 72 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:07 PM

    Mr T – jeffs comments hardly go unnoticed. You can see by his ” tin hat on” comment that his posts are designed to annoy and cajole. Truly a blog larva.

  • 73 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM

    Magscar – storm in a teacup? Not a storm at all, just a crass comment by someone who should know better, and pulling him up about it. it’s a learning curve if he thinks about it. Same for you.

  • 74 LGFUAD21 // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:10 PM

    Unbelievable comments from Bob. And totally unnecessary. Most Boards just keep mum on the issue.

    Comments prove we need a new board.

    I personally though Schteeve was a good appointment at the time and was hopeful. I know his CV was spotty but I always felt that we struggled under Pardew because there was no one to improve the players technically.

    In hindsight I think Pardew was probably making us punch a little above our weight . He had less talent that Schteeve had.

    Most people point to the terrible loosing streaks Pardew was prone to (much like Palace atm) but maybe it worked the other way and Pards was delivering those bursts to keep us up. People forget we were sitting pretty in the table when he left.

    Now I wouldnt have him back at all. I’m just saying that maybe I was wrong and we need a manager more than a coach (last year I was calling for a smart, coach to improve the playing style) BTW by Manager/Coach im not talking about transfers. I’m talking about one who places the emphasis on motivating and the other who places emphasis on improving the ability of their players.

  • 75 magscar // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:13 PM

    Tsunki @72

    Are you referring to my comment at 43?

    My tin hat comment was purely because Jib and I had been posting vey similar takes on your comment and I was meaning on me for unwittingly having agreed with him!

    I think a tin hat is part of Jib’s usual blog attire 🙂

  • 76 Jib // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:13 PM

    Rechts de heer Veltman
    Vergeef me
    Naar de hel met de vrijheid van meningsuiting

  • 77 lochinvar // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:15 PM

    Bobby – time to stop sipping the sherry and nibbling all the hob knobs.
    You are one of the bosses !

  • 78 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM

    Magscar yes it was your tin hat comment. Sane point though. I should have known jeff would be slightly less discreet, as in his redress to Sav

  • 79 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:17 PM

    Ian @68 – now there is a comment I don’t understand the point of. There are a lot of people who were once thought to be good at stuff. We need to look at the actual results for clarity, not some old pals back slapping comments.

  • 80 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:18 PM

    Jeffs on babel fish again.

  • 81 Mister Tuff // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:19 PM

    Jib Jibberish – need no lectures from you about who Moncur is. I saw him play throughout most of his career including the home win against Ujpest.

    You again show your true side by suggesting I support Adam Johnson.

    Man you are a disgrace. You and your tag team are bringing the blog down.

  • 82 magscar // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:23 PM


    Learning curve? You as the tutor? Time I need that is the time I definitely stop posting on here. Ha ha

  • 83 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:26 PM

    Magscar well you obviously missed it so perhaps you could do with perception training, maybe jeffs more your tuition style? 🙂

  • 84 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:27 PM

    Jeff is guruing in Dutch translate mode now. More pearls.

  • 85 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:29 PM

    Johnson in pokey for 6 years. Good thing he’s rich, no career when he gets out.

  • 86 jimmysmith // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:30 PM

    Yeah, he should have been sacked after the Chelsea match, but there really was no one at all to hold the reins if they did. Beardsley, Cathro, Moncur, Collocini, inconceivable.

  • 87 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:31 PM

    It doesn’t seem right for a true footy great like Cruyff to share this date with a mackem molester.

  • 88 magscar // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:31 PM


    Nah – I’m fine seeing, thinking and posting without any help or guidance from anyone.

    Lone furrow man me 🙂

  • 89 Ian Toon // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:33 PM

    Veltman- You’re not speaking for me. I broadly agreed with Jib’s post but said that Macca should not be a scapegoat for the failings of others. Meaning others were at fault. Moncur implied this in his statement.

    Reading Mr T ‘s – Post in which he states the view of his role, self appointed, as trying to preserve standards on the blog. A social activist. We would need to appoint someone else to regulate the regulator. You couldn’t make it up.

    Mr Tuff as the regulator or arbiter of anything! Quite the contrary. He should stop deluding himself and attacking those who’s opinions differ from his. That is the nature and quality of the blog- the blog has existed I read for 10 years with self regulation. I believe in a free press.

  • 90 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:38 PM

    To be fair veltman, your comment rather fits Ian better than jeff, who’s more the bulging pustule on the wart hogs ass type 😀

  • 91 Ian Toon // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:38 PM

    Tsunki- Macca is recognised as a good coach but not a good manager. He worked for Redknapp at Q PR as a coach.

  • 92 isleofmanman // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:39 PM

    I was behind the goal in the Gallowgate end when Bobby M scored twice

    Much as I have always admired the bloke his McLaren remarks demonstrate how distanced he, Carr and the extremely unfit for purpose CEO have become from reality

    The crap we were served up with wasn’t bad luck. It was the outcome of sheeite management at the top. They are no good. To a man. Period.

  • 93 Veltman // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:39 PM

    Je n’ai pas question personnelle avec vous, mais s’il vous plaît le faire pendant quelques jours parce que je veux voir qui le filou is.Trust moi, je sais qu’il ya d’autres personnes qui parlent une absurdité totale et tricksters too.It est une question de temps avant ils ont pris des ainsi, par moi ou par quelqu’un d’autre.

  • 94 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:40 PM

    Yes, qpr, another touchstone for achievement.

  • 95 beermonkey // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:41 PM


    i think mclaren will go away back to coaching again and in a year or 2 some1 like the venkys will try him as manager
    he could always try his hand abroad again

  • 96 Tsunki // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:43 PM

    Ah well gotta go, I’ll catch up on jeffs swahili, tagalog or twi musings later

  • 97 magscar // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:43 PM


    He should have gone earlier but I think the crowd finally turning against him wholescale at Bouremouth game made his already untenable position as far as many were concerned inescapble even to the dithering Charnley.

    If the crowd hadn’t turned I fear they would have carried on down the slippery slope they had made as McClaren was going to try to bluff it through. Also seems as though Benitez’s people had thrown his hat in the ring before any approach had been made and ere awaiting a sacking before it was firmed up. Without that would he have been here?

  • 98 LGFUAD21 // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:44 PM

    On a slightly related point.

    Someone pointed to our Academy earlier and they are spot on.

    This club has some alright talent but we have a loosing mentality all the way through. We are damaged good.

    It’s all well and good bringing in 5 players in one window but it wont work. We brought them into a psychologically fragile group.

    I’ve seen it in companies before which is why good companies quickly tackle those that bring the mood down.

    Whereas someone like Erik Lamela was brought in to a positive Spurs environment and genetally eased in.

    Cabella who was very much in a similar mould was thrown into a team that had just escape relegation previously with characters like Sissoko, Tiote, Colo who have all wanted out at some point.

    We need to clear out the old guard and focus on the young upstarts like Shelvey and Townsend who will be driven to achieve.

    We need to clear out not just the sub par talent but also the ones that dont have the right attitude and bolster the young ones with experience and talent in equal measure.

    Townsend and Shelvey are unique in that they have been around long enough to have experience in this league but are also young enough to have the fire in their bellies.

    Mitrovic may not have lived up to his price tag yet but we saw a passion in the derby. We see him encourage his team mates when they do stuff well. We now need to add some solid 6-7/10 prem experienced players to help these young lads.

  • 99 Ian Toon // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:45 PM

    Tsunki – Did they say ” You’re an extremity of a wart ” when you were in 6th Form – as well !

  • 100 dok - the horrid colonial // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:48 PM

    Are you one of the 5000 mackems supporting Adam Johnson on Facebook ?

    Sir tuff, I think hes saying you condone molestation, and that is libel inmy opinion…

  • 101 John Akomfrah // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:54 PM

    jib the blogs Dr Gru

  • 102 Toon Tang // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM

    Please please please let Palace get dragged in. My first wish is for us to get out obvs followed very closely by Pardew the saviour being dragged into the scrap. PLEASE FOOTBALLING GODS LET IT HAPPEN

  • 103 Ian Toon // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM

    Jinky Jimmy- It has taken us until this year to get into a position where the manager decides on the players to join and those to leave. This was apparently agreed as part of Rafa’s conditions to join.

    Aside from obviously wishing to stay up next season, under Benitez, going forward we could look forward to operating professionally. A full clear out and a securing of defenders, midfield creativity and a goal scoring ST.

  • 104 Toon Tang // Mar 24, 2016 at 1:58 PM

    “I bet you’d wish you kept him now”

  • 105 21st Century Schizoid Man // Mar 24, 2016 at 2:22 PM

    Ian Toon // Mar 24, 2016 at 11:00 AM
    21- I see you’ve bought into The Mag / Jail mantra.

    Nope, I’m not cocconed in any way whatsoever. I form my own opinions, don’t absorb ersatz stuff. I don’t have my heed up anybody’s erse … and certainly not an alter ego from Ulster.

    You’re incredibly patronsing for someone so young and inexperienced.

  • 106 Moonraker15 // Mar 24, 2016 at 3:02 PM

    Moncur does himself no favours in the statement about Wally. Between them they have possibly condemned our great club to oblivion! If Rafa saves us it will be a minor miracle but Wally has already stated he would have saved us! No chance he would do that. The friendly against Sunderland summed up his tenure. 6-0 ! What a disgrace! Also the ill-timed trip to La Manga ! What a joke of a manager he is. Usually a manager gets sympathy when fighting to stay up; but that idiot! Omg just remembered he played Aarons at lb v Chelsea with 2 up front! Aaaaghhh!

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