Most Newcastle fans were hoping after Rafa Benitez had three games in charge of the team we would have picked up at least 4 points against Leicester City, Sunderland and Norwich and although in each of those games in the second half we had chances to get more points – we didn’t.
And that´s been a huge problem with the Newcastle team this season that when we have played well – which has not been too often – we still don´t pick up the points.
We were one of the few sides who were not able to beat Aston Villa at our home ground as one example – and we have given up too many points when we have been ahead in games at home.
Rafa Benitez is very positive – but the results are not there – yet
Recently that has not been the case and in our last six games, which have given us just a single point, we have never been ahead in any of those games.
🙁
Rafa says he is still the realist and it´s not surprising that a vast majority of the pundits think Newcastle are already dead and buried and will be a Championship side next season.
They delight in smashing the side for being relegated when we have so many players who look good players.
If they are not good they are at least expensive after we paid £82M for eight new players this season – and it doesn´t seem to have made much difference at all.
One of them is already back in France because he couldn´t take the pressure.
This is what Rafa has said about pundits thinking we are already dead and buried:
“Everybody will say, ‘Oh, Newcastle will be relegated’, but that is normal when you see the table.” “But at the same time, I can see the players changing in training.”
“My concern would be if I saw the players giving up, and I don’t see that. I can see a lot of players working so hard in training, so I still believe we can change the situation.”
“My job is still to have confidence – and I have confidence. Seven games, 21 points – it’s enough to do well. I am competitive, more than optimistic, but I am also realistic and I can see the problem. But still I can see the solutions.”
“So we have to keep working and we have to approach the game like at Norwich, not like, ‘Oh, it’s a problem’. No, it’s a challenge and we have to try and win this game and be ready.”
“If we cannot, then we move on to the next one because we still have games to play, points to win and we have to try.”
“I had confidence that we could be better in terms of points,” “In terms of performance of the team, I think Leicester was a good game that could have been a draw.”
“Sunderland, the reaction of the team was very positive. With Mitrovic on the pitch, they were under real pressure in the last five minutes. And Norwich, I think the reaction was positive again.”
If a win doesn´t come very soon we could be relegated even before the last game of the season, because there will not be enough games left.
That would be the ultimate disaster scenario for this season and as far as we are concerned it would be the ultimate disaster scenario for Newcastle United.
🙁 🙁 🙁
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90 responses so far ↓
1 Jail for Ashley // Apr 9, 2016 at 9:27 AM
Ashley Out! Rafa IN!
2 Ron Knee // Apr 9, 2016 at 9:36 AM
It’s one of life’s ironies that we get a quality manager as we sink into the Championship while surviving (just) under Pardew and Carver.
3 Rotonda heights // Apr 9, 2016 at 9:42 AM
does anyone happen to have the number of jib’s finishing school
4 beermonkey // Apr 9, 2016 at 9:46 AM
RH
is that the one run by the BNP
5 Jail for Ashley // Apr 9, 2016 at 9:46 AM
666
6 beermonkey // Apr 9, 2016 at 9:47 AM
dunno y have a feeling we will win today
woke up very positive
7 Novocastrian66 // Apr 9, 2016 at 9:51 AM
3-0 to Southampton today.
8 Jail for Ashley // Apr 9, 2016 at 9:57 AM
beermonkey,
I’ll be remaining positive until their second 🙁
9 Jail for Ashley // Apr 9, 2016 at 9:58 AM
It can be done. Keep the faith!
10 Jail for Ashley // Apr 9, 2016 at 9:58 AM
Ron Knee,
Isn’t it just!
11 Jail for Ashley // Apr 9, 2016 at 9:59 AM
Just bought an android box. TV or pub? That is the question.
12 beermonkey // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:07 AM
jail
pub if there showing the game
13 SPRINGY // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:11 AM
morning all
wish i had the option to watch it in the all my locals have been shopped so cant show the games anymore!lol
14 SPRINGY // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:12 AM
in the pub#
15 Hail Wor Ashley // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM
Ok Rafa, time to stop with all the blabbering and put a team out to win:
Janmaat__Mbemba__Lascelles__Sissoko
________Tiote_____Shelvey
Townsend______SDJ______Wijnaldum
______________Mitrovic
Wasn’t in favour of Sissoko at LB, but nobody else has shown any form there, however it’s a huge risk from the off. Different when chasing a game, it’s stretched and players are tiring, compared to having to be positionally sound, organised and always switched on from the start.
2 that go missing away from home both on the left – nowhere to hide.
SDJ must start. Rafa bangs on about getting players closer to Mitrovic, well that’s exactly what SDJ does, links up with, gets beyond and creates space for the ST – that’s what he’s all about. Plus he seems to have an intangible positive affect on the rest of the lousy lot.
16 Magpie Season // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:23 AM
“If we cannot, then we move on to the next one because we still have games to play, points to win and we have to try.”
Sorry but we don’t have that many games left. That is not taking into account how Norwich will fare in their remaining games. We need a win today. Not a draw.
If we lose, or draw, you cannót say next week ‘we still have 6 games left’ & the week after ‘we still have 5 games left’ & so on…
I know lot of people thought we were relegated at Stoke, or the derby game. But I think today, if we fail to win & even if Norwich lose. We’ll go down.
17 cyprus // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:27 AM
Rafa explains his winning philosophy lol.
Now, just play some football. Show that you, the players, care, give it a go. Attack, move when off the ball, hunt them down a bit. How come others have the stamina to do it to us?
I know we are a championship side, and we’ll be mathematically regulated soon (Rafa you god you, you can’t keep pushing it to the next game every time man – I paid you good money to do… nothing… look at your results… I could have the same no problem) but show me some football.
18 Magpie Season // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:27 AM
C’mon Pards do it for your old club.
19 cyprus // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:28 AM
Magpie, just read that. Ditto.
20 cyprus // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:29 AM
regulated= relegated
21 Magpie Season // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:30 AM
cyprus,
That’s the thing though. Rafa is not an attack minded manager. Which is why he was never truly accepted amongst Madrid fans (along with his CV).
22 The overrated Frenchman // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:32 AM
If de Jong doesn’t start today, Benitez needs to give us all a detailed and plausible reason why. His team selection for the Norwich game was rubbish, as was borne out by the performance. Time for him to show he isn’t just a well-paid Spanish version of Pardew and McClaren, because his results so far are alarmingly similar.
23 Hail Wor Ashley // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:35 AM
Magpie Season
What comes out of Rafa’s gob is just a continuation of Schteve’s schtick. It’s annoying and this emphasis on composure and we still have time is mentally the completely wrong attitude.
Positives so far are:
Work ethic – he’s obviously doing his best after previous managers seem to have realised they have control over how many days they have off and will still be paid the same, taking full advantage of that, to the detriment of the team.
Mitrovic – playing with the fire of early season, less the stupidity and strops.
Early subs – will switch it up and be pro-active when he can see things aren’t working.
Cons:
Rigidity in starting formation.
Zonal marking which is a big change.
Endless repetitive waffle.
Saylor over Lascelles.
24 cyprus // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:37 AM
Magpie very true that. Even Chelsea fans did not like him. Not sure about Napoli et al.
Anyway, have nothing against the guy. Still, fact: he has had zero impact on results.
25 Jib // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:44 AM
Magpie season @21
Benitez not attack minded !!!!
At Madrid Rafa won 17 out of 25 games for a 68% wp
The reason they didn’t accept him at the Bernabeu was he was a Madrileño who went to work in Catalunya for Valencia and won La Liga titles at the expense of Real.
Spanish football fans have long memories.
26 WWSBRD // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:49 AM
Rafa could be argued as the best manager we have ever had and some are already questioning him?
Hes just come into one of the worst run clubs in the country which has been left to slowly die for years and expected to make a complete turn around in a month?
27 WWSBRD // Apr 9, 2016 at 10:54 AM
Hail Wor Ashley
Am curious are u still in full support of Ashley as ur name implies?
28 Blofal // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:03 AM
I think Rafa has had an impact on the results.
We nearly got a point from Leicester. We came back against Norwich and Sunderland. And Mitrovic has scored 3 goals. The improvement is there and I can’t see us getting beaten 5-0 with Rafa in charge.
If we had bought him in during January we would be safe by now.
29 jimiley // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:07 AM
Rafa is no magician and people are expecting miracles. The club will go down because he cannot work miracles. But he is still the best manager we have ever had. The ultimate irony of this crappy club is we get a good manager when it is too late. He will be off in May and we will be relegated with two or three games to play. The club is rotten to the core.
30 toon kk // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:10 AM
We might just surprise a few people today and pull off a win (might).
Hope so.
31 Magpie Season // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:14 AM
toon kk,
Considering were $8.50 to win it would be a big suprise.
Even a double chance is $2.40 on us.
32 toon kk // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:23 AM
Blofal
Rafa should have been here earlier along with some quality defender’s and a proven striker and we would have definitely been safe. Terrible miss management by an inept board incapable of seeing there own mistakes.
33 bettyswallocks // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:25 AM
Toonkk…… What happened to you? Did you have an optimism injection.
34 NezzaNUFC // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:26 AM
Once the lineup shows a 4231 we’ve lost already!
35 Jail for Ashley // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:31 AM
WW…,
He can’t answer that as there isn’t an answer, just a stupid moniker as was his previous catchy’s pet lip.
36 NezzaNUFC // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:33 AM
Jib
Rafa is not an attacking manager believe it or not.
His philosophy is mostly if you don’t concede goals you can’t lose!
He’s an defensive counter attacking manager and not a straight up attacking manager and to even have Madrid in the mix shows how daft your argument expanded!
37 WWSBRD // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:37 AM
JfA
So it is just purely to wind u up? U should be happy ur so important to him/her
38 ToonAndy // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:39 AM
Wouldn’t the best result in the Norwich vs Palace game be a draw? Providing we get 3 points of course
39 Jib // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:40 AM
NezzaNUFC
Scroll back
‘Twas not I that mentioned Madrid first but Magpie Season @21 , I merely responded by saying he was wrong about why the Real fans gave him a hard time.
40 bettyswallocks // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:43 AM
Rafael Senip……… Are you sure your first name is Rafael and not Ynit?
41 bettyswallocks // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:45 AM
Rafael Sinep…. Sorry
42 Jail for Ashley // Apr 9, 2016 at 11:59 AM
WW…,
Yes, my own stalker, one of a few I may add!
43 The overrated Frenchman // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:05 PM
Benitez was on a hiding to nothing coming in to try to save a club (from relegation) which is basically a barrel full of rotten apples, no doubt, but so far there’s nothing to show for his efforts. Whatever he’s doing behind the scenes has had no obvious effect and his selections and tactics have lacked the imagination that was probably needed to have even a hope of kick-starting this corpse of a team. Not his fault he hasn’t been the saviour we hoped for, but’s it’s yet another twist of the knife for supporters who have to endure more pain than seems reasonable, time and time again.
44 lesh // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:12 PM
Can anyone help me understand how Rafa, when saying he’s relying on relying on experienced players, why he picks Saylor? He’s hardly kicked a ball in three years!
45 Rotonda heights // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:13 PM
over rated
i wouldn’t say performances under rafa have been as bad as under previous. thought we played well at leicester, but for a daft free kick and failure to take several presentable chances we would have got something.
sunderland second half we ran out of time and v norwich again scored 2 and cisse could have won it.
You can’t polish the turd that is and always has been our defense or lack of it
46 Rotonda heights // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:17 PM
toonandy at 38
yes, although ironically our best chance may be CP’s continued collapse if we are to do anything ourselves
47 lesh // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:17 PM
If the crowd piles the pressure onto Charnley it’ll be job done for Bishop – Charnley’ll be relieved of his MD role and Ashley’s off the hook, restructures the Club and his image becomes that of its very own White Knight, its saviour!!!
A cunning plan but one worth supporting.
48 Rotonda heights // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:20 PM
people say rafa is not attacking and granted he’s not a KK, few are. However, when at chelsea he had them playing some sublime stuff and rescued their season with goals coming from everywhere.
49 lesh // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:22 PM
Cyprus
Wasn’t it the case that Chelsea fans didn’t like Rafa from day one because he was ex Liverpool?
50 cyprus // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:23 PM
There has been no evidence of improvement under this guy. No more attacks, shots on goal, not even prettier football,
Up to now his tenure has been a resounding failure.
The other coaches were condemned because they were crap. Now, this fella is not because the players are crap. Don’t make no sense.
His excuse, not much time. But has shown nothing in terms of tactics, etc. In fact, he’s made several tactical errors. Steve would’ve been crucified for the naivety of the last game.
51 Rotonda heights // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:24 PM
cyprus
chelsea fans didn’t like rafa because of his liverpool connection, but they were quite happy when he got them 3rd and won the UEFA cup. I think chelsea fans now have quite a lot of grudging respect for rafa.
52 cyprus // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:24 PM
Lesh,
Not sure why. Just recall this general Rafa out thing.
53 Rotonda heights // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:26 PM
cyprus
mitro just scored 3 in 2
54 cyprus // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:26 PM
Rotonda,
not sure about the sublime stuff. Ask a Chelsea fan, he’ll deny that. Grudging respect yes. Rafa out yes, despite (and after) the success. Which is crazy, granted.
55 cyprus // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:31 PM
Not sure what you mean by Mitro there.
He was erroneously benched by Rafa. A not so clever move, given he’d saved him in the immediately previous game.
Look, I desperately want to respect him, he has to earn that though. In this sport you can’t rest…
56 Tsunki // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:39 PM
I admit I am wary of Rafa because of his suspicious beard. Never did trust it.
57 Ron Knee // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:42 PM
Villa could be relegated today, according to the Beeb.
58 Rotonda heights // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:43 PM
3 games and we’re dissing the guy. Maybe we kind of deserve it. Unbelievable.
59 WWSBRD // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:47 PM
cyprus
What were u expecting when Rafa came in? How can u suggest u dont respect him?
I honestly cant see how anyone can be on Rafa’s back
60 The overrated Frenchman // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:52 PM
Rotinda@45 – At the end of the day you need to get the job done, without excuses or reasons why, and it just hasn’t happened so far under Benitez.
Cyprus@50 – I basically agree with what you say. He hasn’t made a difference. He probably wasn’t the best choice to bring in so late in the day. That’s not a reflection on him so much as it is an indictment of the club/team. I think we were essentially a lost cause and it would have taken something more radical in coaching style to save us, although it was always a long shot. This storm had been a long time brewing.
61 Tsunki // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:56 PM
I think Rafas already enquired of his own pr and marketing team if they can photo shop that scarf over his head into another club for next season.
“How do you think we got THAT photo, Rafa?”
Ha ha
62 Tsunki // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:57 PM
I mean that beard and the moustache don’t even join up. What’s that all about? Something funny going on there, Mark my words.
63 Jib // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:58 PM
The tough atmosphere Benitez had to work against at Chelsea is well documented, with many of the club’s supporters ranging from hostile towards the Spaniard from day one, to ungrateful at the end of the season.
Despite that, when his Blues side really found their stride, they were one of the most entertaining Chelsea teams of recent years, and the numbers support that conclusion.
Under Benitez, Chelsea scored 99 goals in all competitions, achieving an overall goal difference of plus 51. The club’s 2012/13 Premier League scoring record stood at 75, the most they had managed since winning the double in 2009/10 under Carlo Ancelotti.
To call them boring simply wasn’t true, despite what many expected to unfold when Benitez was announced as Roberto Di Matteo’s replacement.
In Europe, Benitez achieved a 70 per cent win percentage en route to the Europa League title, adding silverware and celebrations to a season that, at one point, looked like going off the rails.
His overall win percentage with the club stood at 58 per cent. Considering he had no pre-season with the team, his win record holds up well.
From the Times shortly after Rafa left Chelsea. He’d won the Europa League Cup and got 3rd place in the PL.
64 martoon // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:59 PM
cyprus @50 – I have to disagree. Granted the results have not improved but the organisation, general play and spirit have improved. and I’m hopeful the results will come. I don’t think under McClaren we would have fought back for a draw against the makems and we were unlucky to lose against Norwich after coming back twice. Yes the defence is still woeful but Rafa can only do so much in in a few weeks.
65 JamesToon // Apr 9, 2016 at 12:59 PM
Rotonda
Remember the “we forgive you Rafa” banners at Chelsea? Laughable!
Can’t understand why there’s people all of a sudden turning on Rafa, that’s even more laughable and embarrassing
66 martoon // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:04 PM
Jib @63 – If he achieved that here we’d be in Dreamland – mind you there would still be a few on the blog demanding him to be sacked 🙂
67 JamesToon // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:06 PM
The style of play under Rafa at most clubs he’s been at hasn’t been the most prettiest, but it’s been effective which is what we need to get out of the bottom 3 (we’re pretty much down now anyway) yes I think he made a mistake not starting JL or Mitro last week, but he’s been left with such a mess from mcclaren and Carr and charnley, there really isn’t a lot he can do
68 JamesToon // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:07 PM
The only way we have a chance left of staying up is if the likes of sissoko, Gini, toots and coloccini stand up and be counted
69 Fostino // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:09 PM
Just been on tbe phone to rafa lads. The team is
Darlow
Janmaat mbemba colo sissoko
Tiote
Townsand shelvey wini
Cisse mitro
Dr jong..arrons on standby
😉
70 NezzaNUFC // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:11 PM
I agree with JamesToon concerning wor Rafa.
The guy hasn’t had the chance to test all the players but at this crucial time though there’s no time.
Bad judgement call from Lee to get Rafa in now instead of January but again it shows how pathetic the club is run but hey in Lee’s eyes the club made a profit so it’s a win win for him and others whilst again we suffer!
71 NezzaNUFC // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:16 PM
It’s great to have a manager of Rafa caliber here but it begs the question as to why wasn’t a manager like Rafa brought in the first place?
Lee took a chance on McClown and so did Carr and it’s now going to cost Ashley again, and I can surely say that Ashley ain’t happy with this at all.
If/when we get relegated (even though it’s looking like 90% chance we are already relegated) I think we can all expect Charnley and Carr sacked or resigned which I think is superb news for us.
72 NezzaNUFC // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:18 PM
We will get tortured today of Southampton, our defense + Darlow = disaster.
73 Tsunki // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:19 PM
“Maybe Milan are favourites, but we have confidence, and we can win”
Thus spake Rafa prior to their epic claw back and win against the odds. I recall that was the Liverpool that was the one you felt was finally on the slide, losing it’s edge, they didn’t do fantastically well in the league, they were still fighters but just not as together as they had been
For many many years.
I’d take a fighting spirit with never say due that could work a miracle of motivational power right now.
Anyone who even thinks Rafa is to blame for anything needs to go away and come back after they’ve watched a few games of proper football that doesn’t involve a gaming pad.
74 bills-son // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:20 PM
If Norwich win at Palace and we lose its all over bar the shouting.
Rafa made a big mistake leaving Mitro out against Norwich. He tried to play on the break with Cisse up top but it failed and if McC had chosen that team and formation he would have been hammered.
It doesn’t make Rafa a bad manager but it does show he isn’t a miracle worker who can’t make mistakes.
With 3 in 2 games Mitro should be full of himself and I want to see crosses flying in for him today to get on the end of, not us overplaying it through midfield as we have tried to do with practically no end result.
Sissoko and Wini especially need to show us today that they really really want us to stay up rather than playing as if they are already thinking of who they’ll be with next season.
75 Tsunki // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:22 PM
To be fair Rafa is Charnley and Carr last throw of the dice to keep their jobs. Under no circumstances would they have got Rafa in earlier if available if they thought there was the slightest chance we’d scrape by using Mclaren. Rafa is only in now in a pathetic attempt by Billy Bunter and Father Time to save face. Fat Face, wrinkly face.
76 Tsunki // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:24 PM
I have the utmost confidence bills that there will be sufficient shouting. 🙂
77 NezzaNUFC // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:25 PM
I wouldn’t play Wini! what has he got to offer away to Southampton? nothing really!
De Jong needs to start ahead of him all day every day!
Townsend, SDJ, Sissoko
Mitrovich
78 WWSBRD // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:29 PM
As yet Rafa hasnt had a back 4, he has faced the league leaders away from home after a few hours training and lost by 1 goal after a good showing, he went into a derby match and stopped a 6 in a row losing streak (a game that had it gone on for 5 more minutes we would of won) and faced Norwich away in a game where NUFC didnt turn up until the 2nd half and the ref was terrible which we lost due to a hand ball
Not sure where we are blaming Rafa there, unless u believe he hates all LBs and explained to Gini just how pathetic u can be and still be paid
79 Munster Mag // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:33 PM
What a bunch of saps. Nobody can criticise rafa? Why??? Cos u lot are so gagging for a saviour, i cant say diddly? Look, rafa got it wrong with mitro. Hopelessly wrong. No idea what he is doing with sissoko. Wiji hasnt raised a leg for him and we are only playing second half. I like rafa but all the points are fair. Get over urselves
80 Jib // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:33 PM
Arsenal must hate the sight of Andy Carroll
81 Ron Knee // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM
Andy Carroll. Wow!
82 beefman13 // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:36 PM
Real world class from Andy Carroll, top draw.
83 Jib // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:36 PM
Munster
RB explained quite clearly why he didn’t start with Mitro who then went on to score a brace – stick to the hurling – fool .
84 Munster Mag // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:37 PM
What a bunch of saps. Nobody can criticise rafa? Why??? Cos u lot are so gagging for a saviour, i cant say diddly? Look, rafa got it wrong with mitro. Hopelessly wrong. No idea what he is doing with sissoko. Wiji hasnt raised a leg for him and we are only playing second half. I like rafa but all the points are fair. Get over urselves. Nezza i agree re do jong
85 WWSBRD // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:42 PM
So we lost to Norwich because Mitro didnt start? I would bet my backside that if he had started he wouldnt of scored 2 goals. He also wouldnt of made Gini actually show up in a town shirt and he wouldnt of made Anita a footballer
86 Ron Knee // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:56 PM
Hat trick!
87 MacToon // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:57 PM
Hammers deserve that, been some terrible refereeing decisions.
88 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Apr 9, 2016 at 1:57 PM
I not bad that Andy Carroll
might get a game for the TOON!!!!!!!!!
89 Yo-yo // Apr 9, 2016 at 2:02 PM
Let’s hope Rafa hired a hypnotist to get the team into a winning mentality. It’s the mental block he’s got to sort out from what he says.
We’re due a win against Saints even against the run of form.
If it ever needed to be any day it needs to be today
90 bladeuser // Apr 9, 2016 at 2:05 PM
get real lose today and it’s over with bindippers away city and spurs to come Jesus even Swansea isn’t nailed on with this shower of s@@@ our time as a mediocre club in the epl and restarts in August as a mediocre club in the championship
ASH OUT COLO OUT SHEEP ? OUT RAFA
Who the F@@@ knows
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