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Rafa Benitez To Concentrate On This As Next Priority

3:53 pm, Sunday, April 10th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 136 Comments

Rafa Benitez surprisingly joined the club just over four weeks ago to try to save us from relegation and he took the job because he thought it was a massive challenge and that we had some good players and he thought he could save us.

Well it’s turning out to be a massive challenge for the very experienced manager and we’re sure he expected more than one point from the first four games in charge – but that’s what’s happened and we have one point from the last 21 points played for.

Yesterday’s defeat was our 10th defeat on the trot in away games in all competitions – an embarrassing and pathetic record.

rafa benitez southampton

Rafa Benitez yesterday
Oh my God – what are they doing


Here’s what Rafa said after the game and you can tell the rubbish the players are producing is simply not good enough:

“I am already thinking about changing something for the next one because playing this way, we can’t get points away.”

“But we have four games at home I want to concentrate on the next one at home.” “Hopefully with the fans behind us it will be easier to do things the way we want to do it.”

“So, I think it is not the time to complain and blame each other, it is the time to realise we have to stick together.”

“We have four home games and that is the key if we want to stay in the Premier League.” “I was really disappointed and upset.”

“We started the game really poorly.” “We were talking about playing the 90 minutes with concentration and focus and not making mistakes.”

“We started the game, making a massive mistake.” “The first half was really, really poor in everything.” “You should not wait to concede goals before you react.”

“You have to take something positive but I don’t see too many positives today because the team was simply reacting in the second half.”

“We can’t start games in this way and give the other team confidence and control if you want to get points away.” “My feeling is the performances of the team away from home have not been good enough.”

“And we have to change something.”

The fact that a manager of the caliber of Rafa Benitez is struggling to get the best out of our players, doesn’t reflect very well at all on our players.

Maybe Rafa could send a message to the squad by dropping both Gini Wijnaldum and Moussa Sissoko, who have not been producing for the team much at all lately?

Our players must show more heart and less fear from now on, otherwise we will not win another game this season.

The four home games are now massive and that’s what Rafa sees as the path to possible safety – and the priority.

So hopefully we can get four sold-out crowds to these games, but our players have to show passion, drive and 100% effort in all our remaining games.

Nothing else is good enough.

Comments welcome.



Tags: Coaching · Management · Premier League




136 responses so far ↓

  • 1 toonking // Apr 10, 2016 at 3:54 PM

    slow down
    vardy scores 2, leicester defeat sunderland and are now sitting 10 points ahead of spurs!

    Newcastle united fans and ownership should be ashamed.

    We played a very simular style of play ourselves that season pardew got 5th place but we call it sh1t. The trouble is our team was built around passion and leadership, it’s players were not the sort of quality like that of a top 6 team and it was proven when the players had the transfer away from us. That summer we decide to bring just 1 player in, during the winter ba gets sold without replacement just a selection of panic buys then comes a full season without a single transfer. Not only does our team fail to get built up we decide to remove the entire passion and leadership meaning we can’t even win games through decent team work nstead we watch a team of 11 statues standing around in a very unorganised structure.

  • 2 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:02 PM

    @Toonking

    Yeah we had Simpson and the club decided to get rid would have been perfect back up and competition for places same with Perch and Guthrie

  • 3 toonking // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:03 PM

    Rafa if you ever going to get us the wins needed for survival then you should leave sissoko, jam and wini out the team because them guys don’t give a dam all they care about is a switch.

    start using lascelles and dummett in the back and put obatan and dejong in the midfield hilst we waiting for arrons and colback to recover because those two will still want to put a shift in knowing how little interest they’ll have at the minute. But do not use jam, sissoko or wini what so ever because them 3 just want to leave.

  • 4 davetoon // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:03 PM

    Maybe we need to hire a psychologist for every single squad player. Never seen a more fragile group

  • 5 Munster Mag // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:05 PM

    It shows you the limited knowledge fans have on here. Simpson was limited going forward but it a fine defender. Quick to tackle, quick over the ground, competitive. Miles better than janmaat 🙁

  • 6 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:07 PM

    Any player who has been even slightly expressing a desire to leave needs to be dropped. Seems to me that in their rush to desert a sinking ship certain players are not trying. Gini, Sissoko, Janmaat to name but three. If they see relegation as the way out, they’re hardly going to try to keep us up – and it shows. We can escape this – by winning our home games and beating Villa away – but that is highly unlikely with players who don’t care if we survive or not. Hopefully Mbabu will be back to replace Janmaat next week and Rafa needs to decide who he can trust in these last few games.

  • 7 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:08 PM

    Toon king. Spooky. 😉

  • 8 Munster Mag // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:09 PM

    As i said martin hardy was great on Sunday supplement. Nailed carr and charnley. he called the players a “sensitive” bunch. Didnt respond to carvers shouting, laughed at smc, wont take rafa coaching.

  • 9 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:12 PM

    Let’s not try and change history. Simpson was a very average player when he was here.

  • 10 Mister Tuff // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:18 PM

    Definitely some folk with limited knowledge on here. Sunderland beating Leicester today for example.

  • 11 toonking // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:19 PM

    lee

    hands down I’ve got to apologise and take back the amount of critism I give to some of those players.
    Perch- I didn’t go too far with him but had fealt glad when he left.
    simmo- I was glad to see him go at the time but should have known a great debuchy would leave in seconds knowing cabaye (his main reason for arrival) was unlikely to remain. Now i’ve left having to put up with a RB who’s defence and attack is bad
    willo- He might have had the image of a lower league player but one thing this guy did have was an exxcellent commitment no matter how much critism he might get he’d still put his full strength into defence and was never likely to get injured
    jonas- During his time I sometimes considered him just another obatan. some who runs up and down the pitch but on his very last game I hit back on myself big time and was now extremely upset to see him leave

    Nolan and barton- these two were an excellent with on the field management, players were giving orders to each and every player and would give commands to everyone

    There are a selection of others too but it’s these who I’d say were the best.

  • 12 Munster Mag // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:20 PM

    Tuff, yip i got that one wrong alright, thankfully. 🙂 they look better than us though, miles better.

  • 13 Munster Mag // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:23 PM

    Bobby i agree re those 3. Simpson was a decent defender though, just poor going forward. Amyway, not much point looking back.

  • 14 toonking // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:24 PM

    bobby bee

    Thats not the point. The point is these players were the ones who’d do all they could to help the team all we have now is players who main interest is attempting to move up to that bigger club.

    Leiecester city have got a team who’s players would be worse than ourselves when looked at on paper but these guys give all they can help leicester city survive and now challenge for the title. ALl you see with ours is consistant injuries and waiting for a big move

  • 15 AndyMac // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:24 PM

    “Let’s not try and change history. Simpson was a very average player when he was here”

    I think you’re worng on two points BB. Simmo was always able to give 100% often chasing back for some impressive goal line clearances. However the main point is he’s not average now is he ?

  • 16 davetoon // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM

    As i remember it he was offered a new contract and declined it as the club wouldn’t increase his 20k a week wages and also he knew that debuchy was guaranteed a start

  • 17 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:27 PM

    Leicester were there for the taking today – let’s be honest, they were awful – but the mackems weren’t up to the job. At least we’ll still have the derby next season.

  • 18 Jail for Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:29 PM

    Munster,
    How many times did you tell your lass you’ve been banging the Carr drum for years after Martin Hardy said that. Blame Carr and Charnley all you want, Ashley employed them!

  • 19 davetoon // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:32 PM

    @bobby not sure where you get Leicester played awful from. They played the same for last 5 games and won them all. Macems had one chance only for the game and Leicester had plenty

  • 20 Jail for Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:33 PM

    Check the Toastie was always on at Simpson and Willo, it wasn’t their fault that they weren’t upgraded on us reaching the PL. Both great back up players and Simpson was more than happy to stay as a squad player but they wouldn’t give him the money he wanted. Give Thauvin 40K a week though.

  • 21 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:36 PM

    Yeah, well, hindsight is a wonderful thing, but as I recall we – myself included – were happy to see him leave. He gave away his fair share of goals. It’s pointless looking back and wishing, you make judgement on form and his was poor, no matter how much you’d like to change it. I was at those games and nobody will convince me he was anything other than bang average. He wouldn’t take a 100% increase in wages – from 12.5g to 25g and didn’t want to play second fiddle either. He left, that simple, but to suddenly say he was good is a gross misinterpretation of the facts. He wasn’t.

  • 22 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:42 PM

    Jesus, if that performance was from the best the league has to offer, then the PL is a joke. Liecester were playing a team virtually relegated and it was like a Championship game. Both teams were poor on the day. Can you seriously imagine Barca and Munich etc watched that and were fear stricken at the thought of playing Liecester? I don’t think so.

  • 23 toonking // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:43 PM

    BB

    Sunderland might have been all over them in the first half but what the couldn’t do is get that goal because of how well organised the leicester city team was and how much team work the players gave each other. If they had a team with the likes of messi, ronaldo or bale then yes this game would be a very poor standard but they don’t.

    If you look back at ferguson’s era at manure you will notice he was reknowned for getting last minute winners, What he did was keep the defence well orgaised drain the clock down and then start getting on the attack during the last few minutes knowing the opposition will be more tired out.

  • 24 Slank // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:47 PM

    Leicester are not the most skilful team in the Premiership. In fact they are probably one of the least skilful teams.

    But what they have is confidence, determination and commitment. They play to their strengths. They are not fancy and don’t play pretty tiptoe passes to each other or indulge in endless and pointless sideways passing.

    They are very direct and use the long ball forward probably more than any other Premiership club which is interesting as this type of play was abandoned by McClaren and doesn’t seem to feature in Benetez plans.

  • 25 davetoon // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:50 PM

    Barca were lucky to beat a 10 man Atleti side playing similar football a few days ago so I think it is possible for Leicester to be competitive next season if they dont get too many injuries and are just as organised

  • 26 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:51 PM

    Maybe that’s because Sunderland are garbage? A decent team would’ve beaten Leicester today. The very fact that they’re top of the table shows what a freak season it’s been, not how good Liecester are. Good luck to them, I’m not knocking what they’ve achieved, but a good team today? Hardly.

  • 27 beermonkey // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:55 PM

    pards came in and we finished around 10th (not sure where) then we finished 5th
    ok football not the best but we got on a roll and ground out results
    question could a manager like Ranieri got us higher really we should have been top 4

    and is it just me i know leicester are going to win the league but i dont recall us getting such glowing reviews from pundits and those in know as leicester are now

  • 28 davetoon // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:57 PM

    Leicester are just doing same thing Chelsea did at end of last season. Its smart football

  • 29 toon kk // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:57 PM

    Leicester are winning games for three main reasons, a solid defence, pace and Vardy.
    I think they’ll be a one season wonder tbh unless they recruit well in the summer.

    But there’s one thing you can’t take away from them and that’s there work rate. Something our players just wouldn’t be prepared to do.

  • 30 lesh // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:58 PM

    Bobbybee

    You’re right in that if any senior player’s not giving 110%, then Rafa should drop him.

    We need commitment to the Club and it’s clear that some aren’t giving it. Some of the younger, more cavalier players might just be what Rafa needs to bring into the first-team fold.

    As far a Townsend and his reported £8m release clause, if that is true and we did pay £12m for him, then that should be yet another nail in Charnley’s coffin.

    However, as he’s been Ashley’s front, then it’s unlikely he’ll get the boot.

    When will Ashley realise how badly he’s damaged Newcastle United and acknowledge that having his hands on the controls (even though he’s said the so-called Board were running the show) just hasn’t and won’t work.

    From the fans’ point of view, Ashley’s be better appointing a competent football-experienced MD to run the Club for him but will he? Will he hell.

    That being the case, the sooner he sells up the better. I’m sure there’d be thousands on the streets to wish him all the success he deserves!

  • 31 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:59 PM

    Beer, you’re right mate, we didn’t. Even some of our own fans weren’t happy, when they now praise Liecester for a ‘direct approach’. (Long ball to you and me).

  • 32 toonking // Apr 10, 2016 at 4:59 PM

    The challenge for leicester city next season is that clubs now know they are most difficult when the opponsition take an offensive line. Teams had been very soft on them to begin with and leicester city used this to there advantage. Team are now in a more defensive manner so this has made it easier to keep clear sheets but it has made it harder for the likes of vardy to get the space for a goal.

    I don’ expect them to be a title challenger next season but if they manage to use the cash wisely they could get the chance to challenge a top 6 position.

  • 33 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:07 PM

    Lesh, I think Ashley will sack the lot this summer. They’ve let everybody down, including Ashley. He gave them the money and freedom to take us forward and they’ve failed miserably. We can only hope he now finally realises that he needs football experts to take us forward. Carr and Charnley have messed up. The only defence Carr has is that Charnley failed to bring in his top choices, but his second choices were hardly inspired. The connection between Carr and certain agents is something that needs examining as well. Time for a clear out, top to bottom.

  • 34 martoon // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:10 PM

    toon kk from an earlier thread – I never thought we were Real Madrid. I thought and actually still do that our squad should be good enough for mid-table obscurity. However for whatever reason no manager seems to be able to get them to perform to their full potential.

  • 35 martoon // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:13 PM

    Ron Knee if you’re still about I forgot to mention you predicted 14th with 44 points – so closer than a lot of people.

  • 36 hibbitt // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:14 PM

    Bobbybee

    i hope to god your right because that’s where it needs to start at the top the lot of them need to go charnley carr moncur and beardsley should be out the door now

  • 37 hibbitt // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:15 PM

    martoon

    if you have a minute mate what was mine ??

  • 38 Lindisfarne // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:16 PM

    Who are the attackers with pace at NUFC?
    Aarons
    Townsend
    Obertan
    Perez?
    Doumbia???
    Cisse?????

    Who are the midfielders with the best passing records at NUFC?
    Is not easily decided on stats as there are different categories, which are also effected by the number of opportunities and personally I would like to include de Jong.
    Sissoko
    Wijnaldum
    Shelvey
    Tiote

    Who are the best defenders at NUFC?
    Slightly simpler but again different stats involved, I would like to include Lascelles and Mbabu who have good Clearances and Tackling respectively.
    Mbemba
    Dummett
    Janmaat
    Colocinni

    Which formations have performed best for NUFC?
    4231 Goals For 28% – Against 72%
    442 Goals For 45% – Against 55%
    4411 Goals For 57% – Against 43%
    4141 Goals For 33% – Against 67%
    The formation most often played has also produced the biggest number of goals against but this can be explained by there being a greater probability, or opportunity for this to take place. There are no stats for 433 which is the direction I was hoping to be heading, but it would appear a counter attacking, solidly defensive formation is the most suitable for NUFC.

    STRIKERS
    I would like to see more than one pacey forward being used to gain the most advantage and exploit movement to create uncertainty and vulnerability in the oppositions defence. However ‘good’ Mitrovic is deemed to be at providing an outlet, challenging defenders and when given the chance, shooting. He lacks the overall requirements of a PL striker, although probably a good substitute and needs to find his niche (like Carroll).

    MIDFIELD
    Good midfielders, not superstar personalities, capable of seeing space, predicting passes and offering both support to forwards and defenders as necessary. All season long we have struggled with having Defensive Midfielders available and how many to provide adequate cover. Anita and Colback have the best ratings for tackles and interceptions, but in my view all midfielders should be just as capable at creating a solid defensive unit as creating shooting chances and both are equally important.

    DEFENCE
    Whilst Janmaat does a lot of good work going forward, his defensive qualities are being shown to be lacking and a solid back four is required, which also resolves the problem of attempting to adapt a non-defensive player to left back. IMO the current situation requires either a back four of Central Defenders, or three with Wing Backs, perhaps in away games.

    Whilst I enjoy selecting a team of players the exercise is futile at the moment due to injuries and the progress of individuals in training. I just hope Rafa Benitez can adapt more so to what he has now seen from his own observations in the dug out and on the training pitches. Truly the slate needs to be wiped clean of must starters, reputation needs to be proven repeatedly and the players who can act most as a team must be selected in order to convey a spirit of joint enterprise with resolve and purpose.

  • 39 toonking // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:20 PM

    Bobby

    The majority of that critism is down to 1 thing Pardew himself.

    That team could have played exactly like it did do and had the exact same finish. If it were a manager like rafa then everyone would have described that season as an astonishing one. Pardew himself was given great credit at that moment in time. People only deem it bad was because pardew himself remained as manager for 3 more seasons and the team itself would turn awful. If he were sacked in that europa league season then people would have remained positive over his 5th place and just considered he following season a case of bad investment + inuries. He himself didn’t make things any easier by deciding to remain as manager and giving nonsense during interviews.

  • 40 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:24 PM

    Hibbitt, if you recall at the end of the season Ashley took a back seat and said ‘there’s the money, give me value for it.’ By no stretch of the imagination can any of them claim to have done so. He might know jack about football, but he knows failure when he sees it. There’ll be a full inquiry in the close season and in anybody’s opinion this season has been a disaster. Even if by some miracle we won our home games and somehow stayed up – an unlikely scenario – nobody except Rafa would come out with any credit. Their jobs are untenable now.

  • 41 Jail for Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:25 PM

    They don’t play as a team because a majority of them don’t want to be here. They are told on arrival they will be sold at profit to hopefully, for them a bigger club. You have two of our senior players publicly stating they want moves, our captain even writing an open letter to his favourite club.

  • 42 Hail Wor Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:25 PM

    HBA with a hat-trick for Nice.

    🙁

    Bitter-sweet.

  • 43 Jail for Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:27 PM

    Bobbybee,
    He also said the buck stops with him.

  • 44 Ron Knee // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:28 PM

    martoon

    Must have been feeling optimistic that day!

  • 45 GeordieTwo // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:32 PM

    Spot on Bobbybee @40.

  • 46 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:32 PM

    Jail, he did. Which is why he’ll sack those who’ve let him down. The buck must stop with him because he hired them, but he won’t sell up and we’ve got to live with that. He would if he could get his money back, but who’ll pay that much for a Championship club?

  • 47 GeordieTwo // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:33 PM

    At the very least we would need a miraculous improvement in form to survive now. Norwich and Sunderland are still both very poor sides but they’ve managed more points than us. The Swansea game is possibly our final chance to get going and pick up the points we need. A fading hope but still a hope.

  • 48 toonking // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:33 PM

    If we did have a manager like raneri I think we’d have been top 4 for sure but might hae been able to finish top 2 problem with pardew i he’ll have long bad runs. Luckily enough the whole team still had it’s passon and leadership which helped out.

  • 49 Jail for Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:35 PM

    Bobbybee,
    Surely he wont brink Dirk Llambias back!

  • 50 GeordieTwo // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:38 PM

    As far as Janmaat goes it’s pathetic to be wondering if a player’s injury is real or not. The same can be said for Colo. Wijnaldum plays like he’s injured as well. So poor. No impact. I can’t believe he’s an international watching him. And what can be said about Taylor? Shocking form is being too generous. He won’t play again this season hopefully.

  • 51 GeordieTwo // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:39 PM

    Don’t even mention that name Jail mate. It’s Lambeezee to us anyway. That would be just like Ashley. Replace one idiot with another idiot.

  • 52 hibbitt // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:41 PM

    Jail for Ashley

    there’s every chance Llambias will back in his old job and charnley will be back in his sharpening the pencils

  • 53 Ron Knee // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:43 PM

    hibbitt

    That has a horrible ring of truth about it.

  • 54 GeordieTwo // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:43 PM

    I see Lascelles blasted the other players to the press. It’s about time somebody did. Shocking that it has to come from a youngster. We have some very timid players in that bunch. No guts no glory as they say. ?

  • 55 GeordieTwo // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:45 PM

    If there isn’t a huge clearout of players and executives this summer we’ll never come back up. Pay attention to this Ashley. You’ve destroyed the club as it once was. You’ve even made it impossible to recover your money by selling up. The only thing to do now is hire responsible, experienced people and never show up at St. James park.

  • 56 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:48 PM

    G2. It is a long shot. I said before I don’t think Rafa had the derby and Norwich games as must wins. I think he thought he could change enough so that the final games he would target for victories, but he’s finally realised how bad we were. Just one win could change everything – starting with Swansea – but he needs to be ruthless with our so called ‘stars’. If they want out, get rid now and give the job to those who’ll still be here next season. They’ve got everything to fight for. Win our home games and Villa away gives us 40 points, but something drastic has to happen for that unlikely scenario. I know he believes in experience, but it’s our so called experienced players that let us down. I’ll keep hoping until the maths say we’re going down, but I won’t be gambling on it!

  • 57 toonking // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:48 PM

    JFA

    The thing is anything stupid is possible with cashley. Will he assume that decent beginning will mean lambsarse is a good appointment. JFA got a second chance.

  • 58 toonking // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:57 PM

    spur 1-0 up

  • 59 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 5:58 PM

    Goal for Spurs. Now this HAS been a good PL game. Absolutely nothing like the first one. 😉

  • 60 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:01 PM

    Make that 2-0

  • 61 Mister Tuff // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:01 PM

    Nice are currently 4th place with 53 points, second and third place have 55 points each and PSG way out in front.
    If Nice maintain their position and Benny does not move to a really big club – he may be sampling Champions League football with Nice.
    Would love to see him at the Euros.

  • 62 beermonkey // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:02 PM

    G2

    where was capt shelvey when they asked for some1 to go and speak to the press
    how they thought it would be fair to let laschelles do it speaks volumes

  • 63 Ron Knee // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:02 PM

    What a header!

  • 64 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:03 PM

    3-0. Spurs not ready to quit yet.

  • 65 SPRINGY // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:05 PM

    they’ll probably offer taylor a contract extension if we go down as they’ll believe he’s good enough,like before to play in that league….it could be colo and taylor all over again…..if he ashley pans charnley…whos coming in to sort all this out?…i think carr will leave and charnley will get his arse kicked and told to sort it out.

  • 66 NezzaNUFC // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:06 PM

    I feel sorry for Leicester City atm, they are doing amazing but there victory will be there downfall next season.

    It’s going to be that bad for them I’m actually going to bet on them to be amongst the bottom 3 next season and get relegated.

  • 67 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:09 PM

    Taylor will be lucky to ever play for us again after Saturday’s debacle springy!

  • 68 SPRINGY // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:14 PM

    bobby
    he was shite mate,and ya right but you can see the club doing that to,save themselves a bit coin…..would it surprise you if the club did that?…probably not…thats how backward things are.

  • 69 SPRINGY // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:16 PM

    nezza
    get that bet on soon as they are crowned champs…..might be decent odds before some of the players up sticks and do one.

  • 70 Jail for Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:16 PM

    Nezza,
    I don’t quite know what to make of you ?

  • 71 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:19 PM

    Nezza, i think you’re right mate. This season has been a freak and I can’t see them getting anywhere near a repeat performance next time around. Not sure they’ll go down but they won’t get away with this twice for sure.

  • 72 SPRINGY // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:20 PM

    bobby
    ranieri near enough said the same today in a prematch interview….so i think he knows whats coming.

  • 73 toonking // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:21 PM

    I can see this summer’s transfer window getting jam packed with players joining the likes of chelski city and manure because this season will be a big embarressment and make them feel desperate for new players. The top 2 being taken by Leicester city and spurs is bad enough but the competion for top 4 has been very hard itself with west ham and southampton both sitting up there amounst them and even the promoted sides are doing better than usual

  • 74 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:21 PM

    Springy, depends who’s manager i suppose. Rafa wouldn’t keep him, that’s for sure. 🙂

  • 75 SPRINGY // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:24 PM

    bobby
    if its rafa then there might be a case for a bit optimism,coz if he stays that might imply that theres going to be investment and control by a decent manager….and if not….could be a long summer.

  • 76 martoon // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:26 PM

    Hibbit – sorry about delay (the grass cutting called 🙂 ) you predicted 14th with 44 points!

  • 77 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:26 PM

    Springy, didn’t hear his interview but he’s no mug and he knows they’ve been very lucky. See where all their new fans are next season, because if ever a chant of ‘where were you when you were shyte’ was deserved, it’s towards them. 🙂

  • 78 SPRINGY // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:28 PM

    martoon
    dont think i made a prediction,but to be honest i went optimistic and said 10th to mid….i think……that was so wrong!lol

  • 79 SPRINGY // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:30 PM

    bobby
    said something along the lines of that you’ll probs not see a team do this again for 50 yrs,just abit of a freak year….. that they’ve took great of advantage of tbh.

  • 80 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:36 PM

    Springy, I can see us bouncing back next season if we keep the right players. Krul/Elliot, Mbabu, Lascelles, Mbemba Dummett/Haidarra. Saivet, Shelvey, Townsend/ Callum Roberts/ Arrons. Mitrovic, Armstrong. That’s without incomings. Decent side and good enough to bounce back. Just a crying shame it’s come to this innit?

  • 81 SPRINGY // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:38 PM

    bobby
    aye it is,i have to wonder tho… if relegated,would that be the bottom of the barrel or is there further to go?

  • 82 SPRINGY // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:39 PM

    bobby
    if hull dont go up id like to see them go for robertson for lb

  • 83 SPRINGY // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:40 PM

    id like to see newcastle go for robertson

  • 84 SPRINGY // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:40 PM

    if they are promoted i doubt he’ll join

  • 85 toonking // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:43 PM

    Nezza
    The only fans who’ll be feel san is the likes of newcastle and villa who’s big status is getting worse and worse and arsenal who’ve toss away what will be one of the easiest chances of a title in years.

    One thing is certain, the leicester city fans will be in a positive mood for years now even if relegation does happen because this is a once in a life time thing. At leicester city the pressure of getting consistant wins is tiny all they want is survival. It’ll be great to see CL coming into their stadium most will probably hope to see real mardrid drawn out of the pot because all in all it’s out of this world to just see themselve in CL football.

    The club and fans will celebrate this season in joy and then return to there normalselves and take acceptance to getting just the odd victory.

    They won’t do as good as they did this season but you forget those fans didn’t even expect a top 10 finish never mind PL winners.

    If it were newcastle united then pressure would hit them hard but at

  • 86 toonking // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:43 PM

    the only fans who’ll be feeling sad*

  • 87 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:47 PM

    Good shout springy, he does look useful. Those i mention are already at the club and look more than good enough to bouce back imo. We’ll get rid of those ‘too good for the Championship lmao’ and have a good core of English youngsters, willing to push on. A season in the Championship might be what they need anyway and they’ll come back better for it.

  • 88 Munster Mag // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:52 PM

    Bobby leicester are a bizarre team. A decent man u side woukd have sorted them out but i have never seen a team of such pace and aggressive pressing. In english football where first touch is terrible , they can constantly regain possession because their pace wins the ball back. Spurs are a better team imo , certainly a better footballing outfit

  • 89 Jail for Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:57 PM

    Martoon, did I go 12th with 52 points

  • 90 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:57 PM

    I can see Mitro and Arma forming a formidable partnership next season. Mitro to rough em up and keep them occupied and Arma with his pace and finishing ability cashing in on his hard graft. I remember watching DeJong and Arma in the U21’s and De jong picking out Arma’s runs into channels perfectly. If Shelvey can do the same, Arma will score a hatful. Always liked the little and large partnership up front myself.

  • 91 Munster Mag // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:59 PM

    Jail, ashley may be a shlt but he as Hardy said, he has spent 120 million over the last few seasons and the team still has huge holes. I think relegation this season ( as opposed to a coup!e of years ago when we shud have gone down) is due to the poor recruitment decisions of carr and charnley at an operational level. 80 mill = 8 ten million pound players. He has to sack them but how far does his obsession with men he can trust (hence jfk) go? Will he smell the coffee? Surely he will?

  • 92 Ian Toon // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:59 PM

    163solano // Apr 10, 2016 at 2:59 PM

    Quiz for the blind, thick-headed and those with pencils in their ears and noses ;
    1) Who said in May 2015 ” The buck stops with me” ?
    Was it a) Graham Carr
    b) Steve McLaren
    c) Kath the tea lady
    d) Our Lord and Master, Michael James Wallace Ashley.

    The quote was in fact ” The brew stops here” – and the correct answer is clearly :
    c) Kath Cassidy the tea lady who retired after 49 years in 2015.

  • 93 martoon // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:59 PM

    SPRINGY @78 – No I don’t think you did because I can’t find it – don’t worry there were a couple of people predicting we’d win the league or FA cup – how wrong were they? 🙂

  • 94 Mashley u Batfastard & lambiarse u Cupid stunt // Apr 10, 2016 at 6:59 PM

    Steven Taylor should never were a Newcastle shirt again he is embarrasment to the club I can’t remember a worst player in the last 20 years a 10 man team would be just as good I think Nigel Pearson will be manager in the fizzy pop for us ??

  • 95 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:02 PM

    Munster, it is bizarre mate. They’re not a good side, yet to their credit they’ve somehow managed to win ugly. They’ve somehow managed to turn kick n chase into an art form and took everyone by surprise! 🙂

  • 96 Ian Toon // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:03 PM

    martoon- I am an optimist by nature. But I think I had us getting a CL place. And then I woke up!!

  • 97 SPRINGY // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:03 PM

    martoon
    cheers for checking,i didnt think i did….i was’nt that optimistic like!lol

  • 98 Munster Mag // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:04 PM

    Agree bobby a!though 442 isnt so popular now. I read somwhere that rafa invented 4231?

  • 99 Ian Toon // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:07 PM

    Bobby – Success is built on a solid defence. We looked to do it differently, for seasons attempting to play a counterattacking game with a defence that has more holes than a tramps shoe.

  • 100 Sliema // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:07 PM

    martoon

    I think I made a prediction but I can’t remember what it was at all, do you have them collected?

  • 101 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:08 PM

    I fancied us to win the cup, but i was looking at the team on paper. Anyhow, my tongue was firmly in my cheek as i did say i’d make predictions for a laugh. Not laughing now like. 🙂 Then again, I’m always an optimist when it comes to the Toon. You’d think at my age I’d know better! 🙂

  • 102 Belfast // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:12 PM

    Definitely the poorest/luckiest team that will ever win the premier league.

    Well organized to be fair to them but the amount of goals they score from hopeful punts up the pitch is ridiculous.

    They remind me of that awful Greek team that won the euros.

  • 103 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:14 PM

    Ian, any defence might have helped mate! We’re where we are because of crap recruitment mate. Defence was clearly the priority, yet we bought more midfielders and are paying the price for Carr’s bonus payments. The fact that we’ve got 30m quids worth of wingers out on loan because they couldn’t cut it in the PL speaks volumes.

  • 104 toon kk // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:21 PM

    Martoon
    I know you’ve thought I’ve been pessimistic all season but tbf before the season kicked off I thought we’d finish just above the drop zone, but after a few games the writing was on the wall. So I knew we’d struggle for the season and relegation loomed. No proven striker and our shoddy defence weren’t rectified so we could do nothing else but fail.

  • 105 Jail for Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:25 PM

    Munster,
    Personally I think that Carrs finances should be investigated, I think he’s been on the take!

  • 106 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:30 PM

    Jail, you’ve got to assume Carr was on some kind of bonus and therefore need to question just what he’s done to earn it. I certainly want to know why his signings appear to be connected to certain agents. It definitely needs looking into and he needs to move on.

  • 107 Jail for Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:34 PM

    Bobbybee,
    Very tempting for anyone if offered 250/500K to push a deal for Riverie or Saviet through, especially when you’ve seen your first choices not get bought. How on gods earth is Riverie worth a fee never mind seven million.

  • 108 Ian Toon // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:36 PM

    Chances are we are going down. But should we survive then Rafa is unlikely to see eye to eye with Carr over transfer policy and recruitment. In any event a massive overhaul and change to policy is required and a focussed big spend. Ashley could well be tempted with the prospect of increased to tv money to rid us of the wastrel Carr. But realistically there are so many reasons why Rafa is a 10 game gamble only. Why would he put his reputation at risk in the Championship? He would need to believe in Ashley going forward to contemplate a root and branch undertaking of NUFC.

  • 109 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:43 PM

    Jail, if it was just those two you might see why, but 30m spent on two wingers now out on loan is criminal – without mentioning the rest. 30m could’ve bought us a whole new defence…

  • 110 Bobbybee // Apr 10, 2016 at 7:47 PM

    Well, as much as I’ve enjoyed this, my back is telling me enough is enough. Thanks to all for decent debate and catch ya next time around.

  • 111 Essex Geordie Bill // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:01 PM

    Whether Leicester deserve it or not, I reckon we have to hope they tie it up quickly.

    If Spurs are still in it with a shout last game and we need it to survive then another WH scenario aint going to happen.

    If Mbabu is fit then I’d like to see him, Sterry, Lascelles and Dummet form the back line. They should have a bit more pace than .

  • 112 welshgeordie9 // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:02 PM

    We should get Tony Pulis in, he doesn’t take any messing from players.

  • 113 welshgeordie9 // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:05 PM

    Leicester do deserve the title, but they have been very luck with injuries, if they had 3 or 4 players out they would have struggled.

  • 114 Yo-yo // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:12 PM

    Pulis Noooooooooooooooooo

  • 115 posada // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:38 PM

    Jail for Ashley
    From previous post. He has options.
    We need pace in attack.
    Arons,Townsend and Doumbia could provide this.
    They are all fit.
    Seems Rafa is considering change if this article is accurate.

    Look at Vardy. Not a technically gifted player, but perhaps the quickest about at the moment. No defence can take liberties for a second. They drop off. The space that creates for your team is vital.
    Teams fear pressing high in case he gets in from a quick pass. Against us they know it simply can’t happen.

  • 116 Essex Geordie Bill // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:39 PM

    welsh
    True, whats their secret I wonder?

    Actually they just needed to have a particular player out for an extended period and they would probably have struggled.

  • 117 posada // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:41 PM

    I’m sure Rafa came in thinking all he had to do was organise better and things would start to work.
    Well it will take more than that.
    Be brave and have a go.

    The Mackem result has cheered me up no end.
    This isn’t over.

  • 118 Hail Wor Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:44 PM

    It’s definitely over. Norwich vs Sunderland next weekend, they can’t both come away with 0 points, even if we somehow conjure a win.

  • 119 posada // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:47 PM

    They can draw.
    If nothing else lets get above the Mackems and make sure they take the drop as well.

  • 120 Hail Wor Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:48 PM

    Plus Rafa has shown he either doesn’t have the cajones or insight to make the changes needed.

  • 121 nufcursed // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:49 PM

    guys mitrovic is not the problem of our poor performances.he’s one of our best players. the biggest issue is the lack of quality of the team around him!
    next season this should be our team (in the championship)

    elliott or darlow
    new RB/lascelles/dummett/new LB
    new CM/new CM
    new RM/new AM/aarons
    perez/armstrong or toney

    mitrovic and townsend as well if they want to stay (but they’re too good for the championship)
    with the right signings (including decent manager) we’d have a decent team.

    get rid of:
    krul
    taylor
    coloccini
    mbemba (maybe keep)
    janmaat
    haidara (maybe keep)
    tiote
    anita
    colback (maybe keep)
    shelvey
    sissoko
    gouffran
    obertan
    thauvin
    de jong
    saivet
    marveaux
    wijnaldum
    cissé
    riviere

    that’s a massive 17 players that MUST leave for certain! and that ain’t gonna happen in one transfer window..
    so we’ll be in trouble for a few years i fear..

    problem is we have too many prima donnas (like sissoko and shelvey) who are too expensive for the quality they offer.

    carr seems to be a big part of the reason why we’re in this mess.

    only decent transfers we’ve done recently:

    lascelles/mitrovic/townsend

    all the others: not good enough..

  • 122 Essex Geordie Bill // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:49 PM

    Is the ManC game this Tuesday, thats our game in hand.

    If we somehow won that one then a draw for Norwich and Sunderland would be good for us.

  • 123 Jail for Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:52 PM

    Posada,
    Aarons has done nothing but delivered hype in the few games he’s been played, the fact that he was at LB against W Brom should tell you everything about the options we have. Really don’t know what’s happening with Doumbia, he looked lively for that five minutes against Stoke then the absolutely hopeless Riverie got ahead of him against Bmouth. Rafa doesn’t even have him on the bench.

  • 124 martoon // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:53 PM

    Sliema @100 – 12th 49 points
    toon kk @104 Interesting just above the drop zone you predicted 14th 44 points 🙂
    Ian Toon you predicted 9th 56 points 🙁

  • 125 Jail for Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 9:11 PM

    HWA,
    Aye Rafa’s shite, should have stuck with Pardew, we were really going places.

  • 126 beermonkey // Apr 10, 2016 at 9:11 PM

    to think in the last 4 windows we have spent the best part of 120mill it is incredible that there really isnt anything to show for it

    the only ones i would keep
    darlow
    laschelles
    mitro
    toney (cant say he is no good not seen him)
    perez

    4 of those we bought pretty cheap and were ones for the future

  • 127 beermonkey // Apr 10, 2016 at 9:12 PM

    sorry left mbemba of my little list

  • 128 nufcursed // Apr 10, 2016 at 9:17 PM

    we’ve brought this on ourselves! how on earth did we let this player leave for free??!!!one of the best ever in a black and white shirt…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CGEwjc1bwg

  • 129 Yo-yo // Apr 10, 2016 at 9:28 PM

    Hail Wor Ashley // Apr 10, 2016 at 8:48 PM
    Plus Rafa has shown he either doesn’t have the cajones or insight to make the changes needed.

    Always assuming the team are capable of responding – and it hasn’t looked like it so far has it ?

  • 130 martoon // Apr 10, 2016 at 9:29 PM

    Sorry JFA just noticed your request
    You went 9th 54 points – if only 🙂

  • 131 Average_Contents // Apr 10, 2016 at 9:40 PM

    Martoon

    Remember what mine was?

  • 132 jimmysmith // Apr 10, 2016 at 9:48 PM

    Also thought 8th or 9th, wildly optimistically it turns out. But selling Santon was a grave error. While Shelvey and Townsend came a window too late. Going with Mitrovic alone up top, rather than a more experienced striker was seriously flawed thinking, as was delaying the arrival of one genuine quality CB to go with Colo and Mbemba. McClaren? It’s a laundry list of weaknesses.

    We were a far greater shell at the end of last season than I realised and so the reshaping and rebuilding this season was all too little too late. I’m sure even Carr, Charnley and Ashley, who orchestrated all this, are shocked. But really they are entirely too blame, for saddling us with a group of players too callow for the task.

    But we’ve been here a number of times before under Ashley, so it really comes as little surprise at the end of the day, as Rafa is now I suppose also realising.

    Pardew left because he thought he couldn’t succeed. You’d think first and foremost under the management structure and model, and so then inevitably with the fans.

  • 133 toon kk // Apr 10, 2016 at 9:48 PM

    Martoon
    Did many people think we’d be this poor?
    I’ll be honest I didn’t think we’d be as bad as we are like most, but once I saw about three to four games I could see what we were all about.

  • 134 welshgeordie9 // Apr 10, 2016 at 10:01 PM

    The only time Benitez will get my respect is when he has the balls to drop Gini and Sissoko until then he’s like the rest of the managers we have had, apart from Sir Bobby Robson.

  • 135 welshgeordie9 // Apr 10, 2016 at 10:02 PM

    Would rather have the True Geordie as the manager.

  • 136 lochinvar // Apr 10, 2016 at 10:07 PM

    Read and weep.
    Pardew started the rot.
    This season is one Newcastle fans will want to forget for a number of reasons.

    And Hatem Ben Arfa has just given the Magpies three more reasons why they shouldn’t have let him go, after scoring a superb hat-trick for Nice against Rennes.




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