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Newcastle Disorganized – Is That Really A Surprise?

1:19 pm, Wednesday, April 13th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 51 Comments

The Chronicle is reporting today that at this stage of the season most clubs are starting to prepare transfers for the summer and arranging their summer tours and working on just how much will be made available for transfers and which players will be the major targets.

But that’s not the case at Newcastle, just like it wasn’t the case last year at this time when as the season progressed we got closer and closer to being relegated.

But that’s not the case this year and we are already essentially 7 points from safety with just six games to go and with the insipid display at Southampton last Saturday and our next game against a surging Swansea side this Saturday things don’t look good.

But when did they ever look good?


Lee Charnley – Managing Director
You cannot accuse this guy of being a good manager – of anything
It would help if he knew what his job was

Swansea have six wins and two draws in our last eight meetings – we should lose again on Saturday and we have lost this fixture in each of the last three seasons.


That may even help clear up the uncertainty (we suppose) and make it more likely we will be in the Championship next season.

But does that mean Newcastle will then start full speed and do the necessary planning to see how to cut the day-to-day running costs – decide which players will be released this summer and which players are the main transfer targets – and who will come in as the new manager in the summer?

Absolutely not – what do you think we are – a  well run cub?

No we’d be surprised – make that shocked – make that completely and utterly shocked – if Lee Charnley has done any planning at all for the summer.

Another complication is that owner Mike ashley has said he will actually devote a little time to the club he owns and carry out a full review of the season and he may make some changes in the running of the club and those who are tasked with running the club.

So that should delay things for a few weeks once the season is over.

But we don’t think much will change this summer at all.

Those chickens have come home to roost at Newcastle United and unless we somehow can get our act together in the summer – and quickly – we are in real danger of struggling in the Championship next season.

Those running the club have almost destroyed Newcastle and most of them should be indicted for “Crimes against Newcastle United.”

We’ve never seen an organization so mismanaged than at Newcastle United these last few seasons – it’s criminal.

They give management and managers everywhere a bad name.

We better stop there.

Tags: Coaching · Financial Fair Play · Financials · Newcastle News · Premier League

51 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Jail for Ashley // Apr 13, 2016 at 1:29 PM

    Well Ed, we did tell you this a few years back when you done everything in your powers to discredit those trying to force change!

  • 2 Tsunki // Apr 13, 2016 at 1:32 PM

    “Yep I’ve definitely lost Wiseys number..”

  • 3 c-dog // Apr 13, 2016 at 1:33 PM

    Wise was a step up from Carr.

  • 4 Tsunki // Apr 13, 2016 at 1:33 PM

    “Ugh I definitely don’t like this selfie idea”

  • 5 toon kk // Apr 13, 2016 at 1:38 PM

    Do you always think it’s the managers fault when our players don’t turn up and clearly don’t give a damm.

  • 6 LGFUAD21 // Apr 13, 2016 at 1:40 PM

    Article touches on worrying point.

    Stay Up or Go Down we need to hit the ground running in the summer.

    Signings made early so they can all play pre-season together. Something we always fail to do. and something that’s even harder when you dont know which division you’ll be playing in.

  • 7 Jail for Ashley // Apr 13, 2016 at 2:10 PM

    toon kk,
    No mate, but like I said they’re all to blame where as you seem to let every manager off the hook because of the upper management and players yet the last three managers have been integral to the system working, or not working in our case.

  • 8 Jail for Ashley // Apr 13, 2016 at 2:28 PM

    Did we sign anyone the ladt time we went down?

  • 9 toon kk // Apr 13, 2016 at 2:29 PM

    Jail I do think that the manager of any football club makes a big difference, but I’m not so sure that is the case with our squad. a/ to many of our players lack quality.
    b/ our players don’t give a toss and only put the effort in when they want to.

    There’s to many incidents where the manager is as unhappy as we are- not something he initially set out for.
    Our players must take more responsibility they’re well payed professionals. In any other business they would have been sacked.

  • 10 neverwin // Apr 13, 2016 at 2:34 PM

    offtrack but when the team run out and I hear Local Hero it makes me feel ten foot tall and I know for sure that if I was lucky enough to be a player I would play my heart out.
    Obviously it means nothing to this lot-if they even here it.
    The tune should be BLASTING in the dressing room

  • 11 neverwin // Apr 13, 2016 at 2:36 PM

    should be HEAR it

  • 12 Jail for Ashley // Apr 13, 2016 at 2:43 PM

    toon kk,
    But nobody put a gun to their heads and said sign here. The last three managers have willingly bought into a policy that asks them not to put obstacles in the way where as Benitez has laid down the law. Pardew had a great opportunity to impose his will after that double manager of the year but took an eight year deal when they hung him out to dry. Managers know fine well that a player who runs down his contract is not the most popular at a club yet the last three have managed teams full of them.

  • 13 beermonkey // Apr 13, 2016 at 3:18 PM


    last time we went down we signed


    think that was all

  • 14 toon kk // Apr 13, 2016 at 3:21 PM

    It’s hard to put your finger on any one problem at Newcastle, there’s so many of them. Our problems have to start at the top and it’s flawed regime, apointing wrong managers and players.
    Then there’s some quality players not playing to there potential or not giving a stuff.
    There’s a case for saying fans expect to much from a squad of players that simply aren’t good enough, no management can change that, without a good clear out and the right investment in the correct players.

    But why the board chose to egnore our weaknesses I’ll never know.

  • 15 Wayayman // Apr 13, 2016 at 3:23 PM

    It’s possible that a lot of supporters are being a little complacent about our potential relegation because of the response the team had last time we went down. Sure, it was a nice change to have a winning mentality about the club in the championship but we had one crucial difference back then – some players with balls enough to stand up and be counted when it mattered.
    Remember Harper and Nolan doing the ‘if your heart’s not in it, bugger off’ speech after the pre season shocker at Leyton Orient?
    Are we really going to depend on 22yr old Lascelles to get the team by the scruff of the neck this time round?

  • 16 Back Door Man // Apr 13, 2016 at 3:23 PM

    Let’s be clear about this notion of an end of season ‘clear-out’; it’s a nonsense to think this can happen. Unless the players contracts are up for renewal they can’t just be ‘shipped-out’ (released), they could be made available for transfer or the individual player can request a transfer. So, perhaps these lazy/gutless bastards will/are likely just sit tight whilst continuing to fleece the club (and us).

  • 17 Bobbybee // Apr 13, 2016 at 3:24 PM

    It’s not just us who can’t prepare for next season yet, it’s the mackems, Norwich and Palace. The same thing happens every season when there’s options as to who might survive, it’s not a Newcastle thing.
    Clearly we’d be better off rebuilding from a position of strength – with the Sky money in the PL – but you can’t always have what you want. We have the squad to bounce back, but would you really want to test that? Just one win could yet turn the season around – providing it happens on Saturday. All we can do is wait and see where we finish up and then decide who stays and goes. Three of our so called better players may go – Gini, Janmaat and Sissoko – but would we really be worse off without them? Krul/Elliott. Mbabu Lascelles Mbemba Dummett. Townsend Shelvey Saivet Aarons. Armstrong Mitrovic. That’s without any Championship ready incomings. Might be better off recalling Arma now and playing the last few games with this team, rather than carrying our ‘better’ players.

  • 18 toonking // Apr 13, 2016 at 3:40 PM

    spleen1981-extremely passive Ch/C 6655 k (K6)

    JFAPardew, carver and maclown might have looked stupid deciding to apply for management of newcastle but wouldn’t you say they acting no differently to all players?
    They aren’t the most decent of managers and that means it’s a very difficult to get the chance of management at a PL club. When ashley offered them the job that day finally came and so they make the most of it until a better job is on offer and that’s just what pardew got.
    If you were to look deep down into how often pardew would avoid the sacking does that not tell you managers who didn’t follow cashley’s orders would be sacked as was the case with chris hughton (probably).
    Rafa himself is said to have been allowed full management of the club but was that really the case or has ashley just used it as an excuse to try getting a decent manager in hoping he could have saved us from relegation? why wait this long rather than do it when pardew first left or before the winter transfer window opened?

  • 19 toonking // Apr 13, 2016 at 3:40 PM

    Pardew, carver and maclown might have looked stupid deciding to apply for management of newcastle but wouldn’t you say they acting no differently to all players?
    They aren’t the most decent of managers and that means it’s a very difficult to get the chance of management at a PL club. When ashley offered them the job that day finally came and so they make the most of it until a better job is on offer and that’s just what pardew got.
    If you were to look deep down into how often pardew would avoid the sacking does that not tell you managers who didn’t follow cashley’s orders would be sacked as was the case with chris hughton (probably).
    Rafa himself is said to have been allowed full management of the club but was that really the case or has ashley just used it as an excuse to try getting a decent manager in hoping he could have saved us from relegation? why wait this long rather than do it when pardew first left or before the winter transfer window opened?

  • 20 Rotonda heights // Apr 13, 2016 at 3:41 PM

    back door

    i think a fair few are coming to the end of their contracts in the summer and obviously others won’t want to hang around so i think we’ll see quite a few go.

  • 21 Jail for Ashley // Apr 13, 2016 at 3:51 PM

    too kk,
    Let’s not even go there with fans expectations.

    I’m sorry I’m missing your point.

  • 22 bettyswallocks // Apr 13, 2016 at 3:57 PM

    If Rafa doesn’t stay although I think he will , then the next choice of manager will determine our fate for the foreseeable future. The other 2 clubs that are relegated with us look like being Sunderland and Villa who presumably will be looking to bounce back. There will then be several clubs incentivised by the TV money giving it a real go , so a mediocre manager will have us left behind again.

  • 23 jimiley // Apr 13, 2016 at 3:58 PM

    Your comments are called closing the garden gate after the horse has bolted. Far too little far too late. I was calling for boycotts six years ago and getting dogs abuse whilst you gave Ashley your full backing. No boycotts and give the fella time etc. Its called doing nothing until its too late. You should go for Charmless job. You would fit right in. Scales fallen from your eyes have they Ed? Your comments carry little credibility now and I am amazed how you have suddenly gone anti Ashley and the regime when relegation is on the cards. Too late now my son. And it will get worse next season. What will you say then?

  • 24 bettyswallocks // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:01 PM

    Back door man@16 ….. That’s a very valid point and the person controlling the comings and goings will need to be up to the task.
    Therein lies the concern.

  • 25 job // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:02 PM

    jolly good fun reading jibs blow over the past few days

  • 26 Bobbybee // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:03 PM

    Ironically, whoever is the next manager may find himself sitting pretty. Maybe that’s what interested Rafa? Take the starting eleven @17. Add to it incomings from the sale of Janmaat, Sissoko, Wijnaldum, with which to IMPROVE on that starting eleven. Massive savings in wages from losing those, Collo, Taylor etc. It’s not the end of the world and would certainly be attractive to any amount of ambitious managers. If we lose Townsend due to his contract, young Callum Roberts can step in. I think we’re better prepared already than Villa and the mackems, just with the young players who are still growing and learning. Finding a new manager might not be as hard as some think.

  • 27 Jail for Ashley // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:10 PM

    That’s unless our kindly benefactor decides he’s had enough and SD can do without us now and decides to start calling his loans in while pocketing all the parachute payments. I think there’s been a very deliberate decision not to have that loan repaid and I don’t think it’s been for the clubs benefit.

  • 28 job // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:14 PM

    of course it is jail the man is not a complete idiot, he will always be fingering the club even when he is long gone….
    and he did say he may be gone soon……………..

  • 29 bettyswallocks // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:14 PM

    Bobby…… I’m sure there would be plenty of applicants if we do need a new manager, but getting one that would be able to mould the players you suggest into a winning team if the same board has the job of picking him is the worry.

  • 30 bettyswallocks // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:18 PM

    Jail…. Last season he said he would continue to invest in the team to guarantee immediate promotion if there is such a thing. Do you not believe him?

  • 31 toonking // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:19 PM


    the point is any manager even a sir alex ferguson would have been deep awful had they chosen to come and manage the club under the restrictions maclown and pardew had.

    The previous managers were all appointed at times when the club was in safer positions and would be made to do as they are told or get the sack as we saw with chris hughton. Ashley had very little worry about relegation and would expect 3 worse teams but now ashley is extremely worried we’re actually sitting in the bottom 3 unlike the pardew and carver era when we were generally just above it. This is far more worrying for ashley making him do an all or nothing hope by appointing a manager like rafa and this manager will be able to get more of what he wants because all ashley cares about is surviving even if it does mean losing control.

    All in all why did he apoint rafa now rather than last summer or this winter because he did give that interview last may?

    How certain can you be that he’d have appointed someone like rafa this summer had maclown only just kept us above?

    How certain can we be that rafa does remain in total control this summer even if we go down?

    Finally will ashley allow a new summer appointment the same control he’s said to have allowed rafa or will he revert to his usual?

  • 32 Jail for Ashley // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:24 PM

    Totally understand all that but the debate was about toon kk absolving the managers of any blame when I think they are as much to blame as everyone else.

  • 33 Bobbybee // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:26 PM

    Jail, if that happens it happens, although it is unlikely. He wants a return for his money and will sell when he can. Selling a PL club for a Championship price doesn’t sound like Ashley to me. It’s also got nowt to do with my post, which was about the players we’ll have to challenge for the Championship IF we go down. Even before any incomings, that’s still a decent side and good enough to challenge. Then there’s Perez and De Jong, who might stay I suppose. Anyway, all I was pointing out was that whoever takes over, could be on a winner. A lot of our young players might do well from a season in the Championship, to complete their education.

  • 34 Jail for Ashley // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:26 PM

    And I’m 100% certain if the hapless tuft had of dragged us to seventeenth he would have been here next season and allowed to continue with the same run of form

  • 35 Jail for Ashley // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:29 PM

    “Ironically, whoever is the next manager may find himself sitting pretty”
    It had everything to do with your post bobbybee.

  • 36 Jail for Ashley // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:37 PM

    He done absolutely nothing bar lend the club money last time we went down which perversely some people saw as him saving us from doing a “Leeds” when it was his disastrous running of the club that saw us relegated in the first place. one fine day wrote a good post about the scenario I suggested, don’t be too surprised if there’s a fire sale.

  • 37 Bobbybee // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:40 PM

    Betty, I honestly can’t see Chumlee and Carr keeping their jobs. They told Ashley they could make the club a success if he left them to it and provided the funds. He agreed to that but added ‘I want value for money’. By no stretch of the imagination can they call this shambles a success, nor value for money. They gambled and lost. I can’t see WHY he’d keep them on. The buck stops with Ashley, so why wouldn’t he sack those responsible? If they are kept on it would be in jobs with much less responsibility, if they could front the shame that brings. Ashley knows zip about football, but he knows failure when he sees it. If I gave people 80 million quid and they got me relegated, I know what I would do.

  • 38 toon kk // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:44 PM

    Of course the manager has to take some responsibility for the team, but my point being his plans and tactics will only work if the players have enough quality to carry them out or be prepared to put the effort in to at least try.
    Unfortunately I don’t think our current squad is capable or willing to give the necessary no matter who our manager is.

  • 39 Bobbybee // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:45 PM

    One fine day? Must be right then!

  • 40 Ibizatoon // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:46 PM

    Betty…He said that last season. This year it’s more along the lines of “the money has been spent, don’t come crying to me for more”.

    Not quite the same spirit.

    Jail…I’ve little doubt that Ashley could finance his exit within the next 12 months, should he wish to.

    What was it they said? He wasn’t interested in selling, not before the end of the 2016 season anyway?

  • 41 GeordieTwo // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:54 PM

    Surely Taylor, Obertan, Marveaux, and Doumbia will be out the door. Their contracts all expire in June (Doumbia’s loan expires). Mbabu, Gibson and William’s contracts also expire. I would think Wijnaldum will rush out the door. If we can sell Sissoko based on his play this season we’ll be fortunate indeed. It’s not clear what the status of Riviere’s contract is but he should go as well. It would be a good start if all of the above except Mbabu were gone. That’s 8 players. Krul may give up in disgust and leave as well. Thauvin’s loan should be turned into a sale. I would keep Cabella if he actually wants to come back from loan. We’re looking at the possibility of 10-12 players leaving. It’s a huge task to rebuild the club for the Championship. Certainly an idiot like Charnley is not up to it.

  • 42 Bobbybee // Apr 13, 2016 at 4:59 PM

    Toonkk, I get your point – if they won’t listen or are unable to to carry out simple instructions. Do you not think it’s not all of them though? I think the younger players want to learn, but certain bad apples are not pulling their weight and spoiling the whole set up. That’s why I’d lose them all in the run in. Gini, Sissoko, Janmaat, Taylor – gone. If Dummett and Mbabu are fit, I’d go with Darlow. Mbabu, Lascelles, Mbemba and Dummett. Saivet Shelvey. Townsend De Jong Arrons. Mitrovic. No ‘to good to be here’s’, just young players grateful to learn from a top manager and willing to fight for each other.

  • 43 toonking // Apr 13, 2016 at 5:06 PM

    In a chrisis like ours there only 3 people really at fault cashley, charnley and carr the manager and players are being left in difficult times attempting to build the form amd learn that offers for movement are stopped.

    The manager
    at the end of the day he’s doing the job he needs to do which is try and keep us above which is why pardew lasted so much longer than macca.

    During a situation like ours managers probably feel as though it’s a no win situation. During interviews they could tell total lies about the way a club is run but the problem then is cashley might sack them, If they try and sound positive about how the club is run then they left in a chaotic situation where fans will be against them and the choice of avoidng interiews altogether will risk having general bad publicity.

    During match days things aren’t any easier, they left packed with a squad of poor defenders and poor attackers meaning the general game is very hard, if they play very attacking then you’ve got high risk of conceding from counter attacks and in our case that will be very common. Defensive football isn’t any easier itself because the issue now is that a selection of the squad doesn’t have the work rate or passion, they just standing about what’s worse it looks boring to the fans eye.

    The thing is we’ve got to have some sort of manager no matter how bad the owner is and if the main aim of that owner is survival then the manager is doing his job no matter how much fans may hate it.

    The players

    A number of these act like mercinries but whilst ashley continues a policy like this and consists with charnley and carr mercinies are all we’ll get.

    The real passion and hard working are the likes of willo, simmo, dummett, perch and jonas but us fans refused to have them thinking they’ve got crap skill and the owner wouldn’t hand on knowing they’ll not get big money moves. That means we’re having to use more and more of these young foreign players who’s main interest is to just get PL cash and make that possible move. enrique, debuchy, remy, ba and cabaye all got these moves but not one has managed to become a regular in he starting 11 proving these players aren’t as good we think, they just look good thanks to an overall team of useless players

    If carr would stop going for players like this and ashley stopped getting rid of all the great workers then we could get more serious but unfortately this doesn’t seem to happen.

    A simple way of putting it is if cashley stopped getting rid of passionate and work rate players whilst carr and charnley started to look wider then we could have a decent squad and with a decent squad in hand the manager could then be looked at more seriously but right we’ve got none.

  • 44 GeordieTwo // Apr 13, 2016 at 5:06 PM

    I would keep Perez in the lineup Bobbybee mate @40. Aarons would be a risk at this point. He hasn’t had enough playing time to throw him in there with this amount of pressure. I suspect something is going on with Saivet as well. Not even on the bench most of the time. Why is that? Either attitude or fitness I suspect. The same with Doumbia.

  • 45 toonking // Apr 13, 2016 at 5:08 PM

    Carr, ashley and charnley the damagers.

  • 46 Bobbybee // Apr 13, 2016 at 5:16 PM

    G2, Rafa told Aarons the only reason he isn’t playing is that he want to use experienced players for the run in. Either Aarons or Perez would do the job, I was really making a point that we can field a strong side without relying on prima donnas. Replace Saivet with Ginger if you wish, but my point still stands. We can live without players who simply won’t try. You can’t carry three passengers out of eleven. It’ll never work.

  • 47 Graeme // Apr 13, 2016 at 5:21 PM

    A very good article from the Telegraph!!

  • 48 Jail for Ashley // Apr 13, 2016 at 5:22 PM

    toon kk,
    Again I fully understand you but what I’m saying is the managers knew the set up and knew the players were being picked by an elderly scout and a clerk and that our portly owner wanted sell on value over experience. The managers took the money knowing what they were getting into so do not deserve sympathy or absolving of any blame.

  • 49 Jail for Ashley // Apr 13, 2016 at 5:28 PM

    Very good article Graeme, says what we’ve been saying for awhile now about the players not giving a fcuk.

  • 50 Jail for Ashley // Apr 13, 2016 at 5:30 PM

    Bobbybee @39,
    Not saying he’s right just pointing out it was a good post and not at all unrealistic.

  • 51 Back Door Man // Apr 13, 2016 at 6:03 PM

    I’ve never subscribed to this daft cult that’s swept the game for the last dozen years, namely, manager worship. Everywhere you look their ugly mugs assail us, their disjointed bleatings scour our lugholes, newspaper sports editors genuflect before them and allow their nonsense to flood the back pages, tv producers wheel them in and encourage them to garble inarticulately about their tactics. Then we learn that these faux thinkers retire to their offices and slurp expensive wine with their opposite numbers … they somehow believe it makes them worthy. It’s all bollocks. These nobs, in reality, DO NOT win games. They might take training and pick the team, and some might knowingly (for the cameras … vain bastards!) wave their arms about whilst in the ‘technical area’ (technical area, my arse!) but it’s the players who win/lose games.

    As we know we’ve a bunch of useless sods who seem not to care; what sums it up for me is – do you throw your body (including your knackers/mush/or expensive nounce haircut) into the line of fire to block a shot. Most of ours turn their backs … it shows they don’t really care. Bastards!!!!

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