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Fans’ React On Twitter To Jonas’ Discrimination Win

7:02 pm, Thursday, April 14th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 102 Comments

Newcastle fans have reacted favorably towards the discrimination law suit win of Jonas Gutierrez over Newcastle United.

Jonas suit claimed that Newcastle acted against him when they found out he had cancer and that Newcastle deliberately did not play him so an automatic contract extension clause did not kick in once Jonas had started a certain number of games.

Fans point to the shambolic running of Newcastle United under Mike Ashley and Lee Charnley which will end up with Newcastle being relegated this season, after we only just avoided the same fate last season when Jonas had a great game and scored one and made one.

lee charnley and mike ashley

The two men running Newcastle into the ground
Lee Charnley and Mike Ashley


Here are a sampling of the tweets.



Tags: Jonas Gutierrez · Newcastle News · Other News · Tweet · Twitter




102 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Lindisfarne // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:05 PM

    ‘Arms length’ refers to the fact that the left hand will be passing money to the right hand.

  • 2 Essex Geordie Bill // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:05 PM

    Back on the Merry go Round and trying to keep up!!!!!

    Essex Geordie Bill // Apr 14, 2016 at 6:59 PM

    NUFCPaul

    Previous previous thread,

    MA (Olly) “Thats another fine mess you’ve got me into Charmley”

    8Essex Geordie Bill // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:03 PM

    Previous previous thread again.

    Jonas often looked worse than he was because he was being fouled so often without any protection from the ref.

    I don’t think he fell down often or even at all, not without good cause anyway.

  • 3 Jib // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:15 PM

    BBC summary of the case.

    Midfielder Jonas Gutierrez was dropped by Newcastle United because of his cancer diagnosis, an employment tribunal has found.

    Sorry I don’t think that happened.

    Just shows what a good brief can achieve.

  • 4 Lindisfarne // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:18 PM

    1) How many competitive matches have we played whilst MA has been the owner and what is the win percentage?
    Anyone?

    2) Nit defending the club, but it seems that they should gave extended the period of matches for Jonas to automatically trigger the one year contract extension, to reflect the time he was completely out of the game. I would suggest this is inadvertent discrimination rather than a conscious decision made because of his cancer treatment.

  • 5 Essex Geordie Bill // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:24 PM

    I wonder if we the supporters could sue them for failing to provide what we want.

    Some sort of breach of entertainment practice.

  • 6 Jib // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:27 PM

    lindisfarne
    I think you should specify PL as we won quite few under Hoots in the fizzy pop.

  • 7 Average_Contents // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:34 PM

    Jizz’s summary of the case.

    Waaa, Waaa, the club’s perfect and so is fatty, miscarriage of justice in fattys favour, Waaa, Waaa.

    Yes it was the excellent brief, the big bad bully him. Obviously the judge is a big bad bully too for picking on poor fattys regime and finding them guilty. Again.

    Nothing at all to do with the actual truth. Nothing whatsoever.

  • 8 LeedsMag // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:35 PM

    Disability legislation is pretty clearTakes more than a good brief to win a tribunal.Charnley and Pardew described as evasive and lacking credibility
    Truth is Jonas deserved better – we could have done with him at LB this season
    Dont suppose the equality act or workers rights feature too highly in North Derbyshire – this club is both arrogant and incompetent

  • 9 Jib // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:37 PM

    Average
    Why do my comments scare you so much ?
    What are you afraid of ?

  • 10 Jib // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:40 PM

    Jonas played right back for Argentina

    Gutierrez was found to be a “credible and convincing witness”.

    Former Newcastle boss Alan Pardew “was able to deliver his evidence in a confident, convincing and articulate way”.

  • 11 Average_Contents // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:40 PM

    Replace judge with panel

  • 12 Lindisfarne // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:43 PM

    Jib

    My thinking was derived from someone earlier stating we have only won 9 matches since AP left. I instinctively thought we had not won that many in his last season. I know P45dues overall win percentage was not to be sniffed at, but even the running court case could not help commenting on how contradictory his statements were.

    You are probably and, for myself uneasily correct, about limiting MAs win record to PL games, or PL seasons, as at least maintains a certain level of quality.

  • 13 Jib // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:53 PM

    lindisfarne
    We won 13 points under Carver –
    39 all season so under Pardew we won 26

  • 14 cyprus // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:54 PM

    Congratulations Jonas, you’re the man.

    On the game, they’ll be laughing at offloading that overrated player. More so that we made him our captain.

  • 15 Jib // Apr 14, 2016 at 7:58 PM

    Pardew actually won 7 PL games in his last half season for us.

  • 16 Average_Contents // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:02 PM

    They don’t scare me.

    They do the job you intend to set out to do.

    Troll.

    Because let’s face it, yours isn’t an opinion born of love for NUFC as testified by the fact that the insidious regime led by your hero can do no wrong and hasn’t ever since he’s been here.

    It’s an opinion born of love to wind up and use vile insults of which racism is just one of many you little maggot snot.

    Unfortunately for me and many others, you infest this blog with your toady cretinous self and steal valuable oxygen in the process.

    The trees want it back.

  • 17 Jib // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:05 PM

    After the West Ham game

    cyprus // Jan 16, 2016 at 10:17 PM

    Hard to single out anyone really. Shelvey had a brilliant debut. Elliott made a couple of great saves. Janmaat has been incredible lately, back to his best. Colo has been an ideal CB, probably the best CB in the PL last two games. Colback: did he put a foot wrong. Excellent in both positions. Wini: I said it, he plays well, we win, not, we lose. Sissoko is a monster, terrifies the opposition with his surges. Mitrovic tried and tried. And, dare I say it, is the real Perez back? This was a top 4 performance. Long may it last.

  • 18 Jib // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:07 PM

    Average
    You sound terrified to me

  • 19 welshgeordie9 // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:12 PM

    Didn’t Pardew win his first ever game against Liverpol, think some have got short memories.

  • 20 welshgeordie9 // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:13 PM

    Look on the brightside Liverpool are losing.

    Ha ha ha

  • 21 welshgeordie9 // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:16 PM

    Make that 2-0 what a strike that was.

  • 22 Average_Contents // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:17 PM

    You forgot the rest. Conveniently.

    The tribunal said Pardew, who was manager at the time Gutierrez was told he could leave, delivered his evidence in a “confident, convincing and articulate way”.

    But it said it was “vague and generally unconvincing ” in relation to a crucial conversation with the player in November or December 2014, when his future was discussed.

    “Ultimately, on the balance of probabilities and taking into account our assessment of the respective credibility of the claimant and Mr Pardew, we preferred the evidence of the claimant,” said the report.

  • 23 welshgeordie9 // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:23 PM

    Not being funny but Benitez have had plenty of time to motivate the players but because nothing have changed who’s to blame the manager or the players.

  • 24 cyprus // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:24 PM

    Jib,
    thanks for reminding me 🙂 Good game that.

  • 25 welshgeordie9 // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:25 PM

    How can you motivate players when they can’t be arsed, same old Gini and same old Sissoko.

  • 26 cyprus // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:26 PM

    If you’re thinking of Shelvey, look at ALL my other posts, check them out, never rated him. Still, would love to be proven wrong.

  • 27 Jail for Ashley // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:34 PM

    Jibberish,
    Why didn’t you post the whole comment about the media trained liar Alan Pardew?
    “The tribunal also commented that Pardew’s evidence was delivered in a “confident, convincing and articulate way” but was less well received “in relation to a crucial conversation with the player in November or December 2014, when his future was discussed.”
    Basically the few fans that believed that we had a last minute bid for Nzogbia turned down and that we really did want Gomis were a lot easier to comvince than a qualified panel.

  • 28 scout // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:35 PM

    Cyprus

    I’d love to know how far Shelvey ran against Southampton. He stank the place out.

  • 29 cyprus // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:40 PM

    Also, how slow 😉

  • 30 Jail for Ashley // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:41 PM

    Alan Pardew giving evidence when asked by his club captain.
    “Did you shag my missus”
    “Nar mayte, I swear on the wives life oi ain’t dun any fink like thaat”

  • 31 cyprus // Apr 14, 2016 at 8:41 PM

    Anyway, unfair to pick on just one, really.

  • 32 Yo-yo // Apr 14, 2016 at 9:03 PM

    I am very pleased that Jonas won his case. These tribunals are often biassed in favour of the employer. It must have been difficult. The evidence for the two charges he won must have been well beyond the balance of probabilities.

    The judgement’s opinion that Pardew was a confident liar and Charnley an unconvincing one rings true.

    I am amazed that there are still any regime apologists, let alone on here. You can fool some of the people all of the time though – just look at Trump’s percentages.

  • 33 Mister Tuff // Apr 14, 2016 at 9:05 PM

    average – your Jib summary was tremendous -still laughing.
    waah. waaaah. waaaah.

  • 34 TacoFlavoredKisses ForMyBen-arfa // Apr 14, 2016 at 9:08 PM

    @Sir Braveheart // Apr 14, 2016 at 5:52 PM
    From the BBC report:
    Managing director Charnley’s evidence was described as “evasive and lacking in credibility”
    Sounds about right in all matters Charnley.

    UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR!

  • 35 martoon // Apr 14, 2016 at 9:10 PM

    I have to say I like Jonas and hate the present regime BUT I am surprised he won his case. You just had to look at comments on this blog at the time to remember at the time he was past his best. Yes the club didn’t want to give him a new contract but not because he had cancer but because he was an aging player. Yes he had a fantastic game against West Ham but he couldn’t sustain that form over several matches – which is what happens when age catches up with you.
    Also those of you crowing about Jonas winning his case – £2m could buy you a decent defender in the Championship!

  • 36 Mister Tuff // Apr 14, 2016 at 9:25 PM

    £80 million quid – PROPERLY -spent this season would negate any requiremnet to spend £2 million next season for a Championship player.

  • 37 Mister Tuff // Apr 14, 2016 at 9:29 PM

    Blackley – your post earlier about Penfold not knowing how many internationals were in the team -really comes as no surprise. It confirms suspicions that he is not a football person.
    Any toon fan would be able to have a decent go at answering the question but Penfold being unable to answer suspports the notion he has no football credentials whatsoever.

  • 38 Ibizatoon // Apr 14, 2016 at 9:34 PM

    martoon…I think there were mixed reviews on Jonas at the time. I think many blamed Pardews team set up and having to babysit the LB. Sure there were those who said he was done. Luckily these things aren’t settled by reading posts on a football blog!

    Jonas has done us out of a decent Championship defender. Incredible.

    As for sustaining great form over several games. The odd game, here and there, would sure have come in handy. Let alone that effort, leadership and passion. Imo anyway.

  • 39 Jail for Ashley // Apr 14, 2016 at 9:37 PM

    martoon,
    For a guy that HaTeS this regime you have seriously gone out of your way to defend it over the last few years, including Jib as a mate on here to confirm it. You’d think we were hard up when only Anita was bought but then 19/30M was spent in January depending who you believe. 2M is probably spent on tbat ridiculous youth set up every year or Riveries wages.

  • 40 Tsunki // Apr 14, 2016 at 9:42 PM

    Just shows what a good brief can do. Unless he works for Ashley….OOOPS!

  • 41 Toon Tang // Apr 14, 2016 at 9:56 PM

    What a game

  • 42 lochinvar // Apr 14, 2016 at 9:57 PM

    Well there’s Liverpool coming back to 4-3 against Borussia Dortmund …….meanwhile Charnley is looking at a European Map to see where Burton Athletic is……he thinks it might in Spain but isn’t sure so will hold a Board Meeting in the morning to check

    Thanks for that.

  • 43 Yo-yo // Apr 14, 2016 at 9:59 PM

    BlaBr

    Wonderful selective quotes re Charmless. 🙂

  • 44 bladeuser // Apr 14, 2016 at 10:10 PM

    WELSH
    Liverpool won that game because they have everything that nufc don’t not least fight when it matters if nufc played the bindippers we would get beat 99 times out of 100 we are not in there league and won’t be very soon
    ASH OUT COLO OUT CARR OUT PENFOLD OUT SHEEP ? OUT RAFA HES NO BETTER THAN PARDEW

  • 45 martoon // Apr 14, 2016 at 10:13 PM

    JFA – I don’t defend the regime I just say things as I see them – be it for or against them – I don’t let blind hatred cloud my judgement. I’ve said many times in the past I don’t hold grudges on the blog despite possible previous arguments- I don’t have any mate on here as I don’t know any of you except markaccus who I used to work with.
    Ibiza – I maybe didn’t phrase it very well but I was trying to point out that in the Championship £2m is a fair chunk of cash.

  • 46 jimiley // Apr 14, 2016 at 10:13 PM

    Passion. We lack it totally. A dead club. Why watch dead footy? Ashley out!!! Relegation would be totally just.

  • 47 Lindisfarne // Apr 14, 2016 at 10:16 PM

    Well worth 8 mins:

    http://www.fullmatchesandshows.com/2016/04/14/liverpool-vs-borussia-dortmund-highlights-full-match/

  • 48 Average_Contents // Apr 14, 2016 at 10:17 PM

    Seriously? Jonas winning his case has done us out of a championship defender?

    Sorry martoon but that is the biggest crock of shite I’ve heard. I suppose it was kk’s fault that we got relegated too.

    How dare they stand up against the regime. No wonder you stick up for jizz.

    We’ve had ample opportunity to strengthen the defence so we wouldn’t end up in the championship in the first place.

    Instead of blaming a long serving player who was treated like dogshit, why not blame the insidious regime who didn’t invest enough over the years to leave us in this position

    Seriously.

  • 49 Mister Tuff // Apr 14, 2016 at 10:27 PM

    If last season had lasted another couple of games -after the West Ham game. As a result of Jonas’ performance that day -the goal/the crowd reaction – I would have picked him for the next two games – that would have made up his quota of games.
    But these scroats tried to do the dirty on him.
    King Percy saying his was disappointed with his goals return from an attacking mid-fielder – rich when he made him play to cover the fullback.
    Really very nasty people. They’ll probably end up spending more than £2 million on legal fees and PR to make themselves appear better.

  • 50 welshgeordie9 // Apr 14, 2016 at 10:31 PM

    Wow, what a match that was, must admit it but well done to Liverpool for the come back.

  • 51 WWSBRD // Apr 14, 2016 at 10:34 PM

    Personally I’d rather the club I love is held responsible for the disgusting antics the crooks (that have weaselled their way in) have done and the truth comes out than a championship defender

    I want my club back and these times highlight to the world exactly why and why we as fans are disgusted at how our club is being allowed sink into the sludge that surrounds those who currently sit in the seats of power

  • 52 Mister Tuff // Apr 14, 2016 at 10:40 PM

    Jonas -decision. The club still has the option of asking the Tribunal to review it’s decision or they can appeal to the Employment Appeal Tribunal.

    My guess is that they will reluctantly accept the decision and pay up. Maybe throw in a bit of crap PR along the way though.
    What a set of scroats.

  • 53 welshgeordie9 // Apr 14, 2016 at 10:44 PM

    Don’t worry guys, Newcastle will win on Saturday, shelvey with a stunning free kick then he will become our new hero, well he did play for swans after all.

  • 54 lochinvar // Apr 14, 2016 at 10:53 PM

    That Milner lad managed to put some decent crosses in tonight – maybe he could play for us one day.

    That PEA guy from Dortmund looks useful. Would be good if we tried to sign him one day.

    One day…..don’t know where don’t know when

  • 55 Mister Tuff // Apr 15, 2016 at 12:05 AM

    PEA/ Aubameyang had a really difficult decision when he left ASSE -St Etienne. The choice was Dortmund or the Toon or put it another way Klopp or King Percy. He chose wisely.

  • 56 jimmysmith // Apr 15, 2016 at 12:30 AM

    Ashley charging SD for advertising is big news, albeit 8 years too late and the timing a bit whiffy, considering the flak he’ll be taking if we do in all likelihood go down.

    It’s been a bizarre litany of false economies under his ownership. None more so than denying the club revenues to improve the teams performance on the pitch, which ranks in infamy with the hiring pedants to run things.

  • 57 jimmysmith // Apr 15, 2016 at 12:44 AM

    It does seem then that the club did not handle the Jonas situation with the correct level of empathy, sensitivity, and integrity, but I do think that they should not have been under any obligation to pick him, if it were to have triggered a contract extension they didn’t want to see activated. Football is surely ultimately about performance and merit. It will be interesting to see the level of compensation he receives and the thinking behind it.

  • 58 jimmysmith // Apr 15, 2016 at 12:53 AM

    I don’t include Pardew and McC as pedants, they were never correctly backed. Charnley specifically, and other poor choices, or agenda driven choices, such as Carr, Llambias, Kinnear, Wise.

  • 59 jimmysmith // Apr 15, 2016 at 1:08 AM

    Actually, upon reconsideration, having agreed the extension, they should certainly have allowed Jonas every chance to trigger it. Intriguing.

  • 60 jimmysmith // Apr 15, 2016 at 1:24 AM

    The key question regarding charging SD for advertising, is of course, how much?

  • 61 Essex Geordie Bill // Apr 15, 2016 at 2:07 AM

    There were some interesting aspects of tonights Europa games that I noticed.

    One was that one of the Spanish clubs was managed by Marcellino, was he our ex star defender. If so wouldn’t it be ironic if he came to manage us and was successful.

    The second was that a Facunda Ferrero was playing for Shaktar I can’t remember if he came to us from them but the fact he is getting into their first team means he aint such a hopeless player after all. Food for thought there!

  • 62 Essex Geordie Bill // Apr 15, 2016 at 2:13 AM

    As for the Swansea game, if you’re a gambling person it would probably be worth putting money on us loosing all of our last games although the odds offered by the bookies will not be very good.

    That’s how optimistic I am for the rest of the season although i’d be over the moon to turn out to be wrong.

  • 63 lesh // Apr 15, 2016 at 2:15 AM

    Lindisfarne

    Your ‘srms length’ interpretaion’s priceless, brilliant.

    😀 😀

  • 64 Magpie Season // Apr 15, 2016 at 2:59 AM

    Essex,

    Bet both teams to score? I never bet on our games but that would be most likely outcome, since we have to score & we’ll most likely concede with yet another makeshift defence.

  • 65 lesh // Apr 15, 2016 at 3:03 AM

    It speaks volumes that the Charnley hasn’t got access to or sought expert guidance on how to handle Jonas’s situation before making a hash of it.

    But, that’s Charnley…. Clueless and ill-equipped for any managerial position let alone MD.

  • 66 Magpie Season // Apr 15, 2016 at 3:03 AM

    Essex,

    I saw Ferreyra play as well. In fact, he’s made a total of 15 first team appearances (all competitions) with 5 goals.

    We have to be the only club who never seems to get benefit from the loan system.

    In fact, can anyone remember a player we had for loan, apart from Ben Arfa in that first season, that had benefited the team…heck, that had let alone played consistently in the first team?

  • 67 Magpie Season // Apr 15, 2016 at 3:05 AM

    lochinvar,

    Aubameyang was voted African Player of the Year & consequently pissed Yaya Toure off.

  • 68 The overrated Frenchman // Apr 15, 2016 at 3:21 AM

    Magpie Season@66 – Loic Remy is one, but generally your point stands up.

  • 69 job // Apr 15, 2016 at 5:10 AM

    That man on here has so much to say and it’s all garbage. Proper blow hard.

  • 70 davis_toons // Apr 15, 2016 at 5:58 AM

    A player like Jonas will always be pick among these group of players. Think again, how can the contract not be triggered?

    Who do we have as a utility player that can play like a work horse with some ability, runs his heart out with alot of passion to encourage other teammates with BETTER abilities (but lesser on the other side) to go for it. Basically none you can find in the team now.

    Everyone on its own. This is a team sport remember?

    He is an experience player that should have been kept even if we are going forward. Anytime good enough to sit on the Newcastle bench.

    Now we have a young team that lack of all the other side of footballing abilities that a experienced player like Jonas can bring to rally the team during the game.

    Mike ashley deserve it for this. The people that he employed to work for was incapable to advise him on club matters.

    If money was well spend by knowledgeable personnel on renewing a contract and to bring in proper players for needed position. We cannot be in such sorry state when the Owner decided to spent money.

    When you need to play your midfielder as a full back there shows that players recruitment was inadequate and properly not effective.

  • 71 Veltman // Apr 15, 2016 at 6:20 AM

    I’m not trying to have a go at Benitez.I was one of those who felt over the moon when he got appointed.However you have to praise or criticize based on current situation and what u saw now,
    not in the past or future.The match commentators were saying “Nu absolutely have no idea what they doing,no fight,no clue,no proper movements,no cohesion. .”
    So I was wondered what change he has made since he came here.Im afraid nothing.His team currently is not properly attacking nor properly defending.And that is not the kind of change you should be expecting from a man who has been managing the world’s biggest clubs in the last 10 years or so.You have to atleast expect some improvements in particular area – at the back or in the attack.But he brought nothing so far.What I didn’t like the most is that he continually was talking about giving confidence to the players.What confidence? His team couldn’t made proper passing and movements in a space of 6 yards.So what confidence is he talking abt?
    Someone on here said few days back that praising and cheering Benitez everytime is not gonna help in our way to getting the results.Its the players who need cheering and praising every time, no matter what or no matter how poor they were.And I think he is right.Shouting on the players negatively and applauding Benitez week in week out is not gonna help.So unless I see wins or improvements in a particular area,I’m not gonna raise my hand and vote for him to stay and build on based on his past management.

  • 72 Jail for Ashley // Apr 15, 2016 at 6:26 AM

    So if Alan Pardew had stood in front of a panel and said we tried our best but couldn’t get a LB/CB/ST over the line. They would have dismissed this due to his credibility yet the gullible few who follow our club just accept it as fact. We’ve even got the self confessed intelligentsia telling us how hard the club tried to get a LB during the January window.

  • 73 Jail for Ashley // Apr 15, 2016 at 6:48 AM

    Veltman,
    Well rumour has it Benitez approached us, so if he goes it’s back to the board that helped us choose Pardew, Carver and Mclaren. So good luck with that one. Can you not see the bigger picture. Bdnitez has had to choose from one of the woefully mismanaged squads in the league. If he stays it will be under his own terms. If he goes we get another manager desperate for a job and willing to do things Ashleys way.

  • 74 The overrated Frenchman // Apr 15, 2016 at 6:55 AM

    Ashley’s minions judged to be liars and men of poor character. Who would have thought it?

  • 75 Jail for Ashley // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:01 AM

    ToF,
    Who would have thought it.

  • 76 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:02 AM

    No argument that the club treated Jonas pretty poorly, but this case (as far as I understand it, having not really followed it) is about discriminating against his election to trigger an extension clause.

    Did the club deal with the illness poorly? Yes, that is pretty clear. Should the club have to select him, if available, when there is an extension clause trigger based on games? No. Should the club ever be obliged to pick a player? No.

    Doumbia is also being ignored and has a clause saying we pay Roma a massive wedge of cash if he played ‘x’ amount of games. If we start playing him now are we again liable as he now can’t make that number?

    It’s all a bit two faced this new found love of Jonas’ abilities. When he joined Norwich the overwhelming thought on here was good luck, but you aren’t good enough for us anymore. That was definitely my thought. When he came back, there were plenty saying he shouldn’t be selected, I seem to remember people complaining about his selection towards the back end of last season prior to his first game back as well.

    As for Pardew turning him into a defensive babysitter, nonsense. He was never much more than a grafter and a runner. His time at Newcastle was actually some of his most productive in an attacking sense.

    I’m pleased that Jonas is well, and playing at a reasonable level this season, but the reaction on here is based far more on people’s hatred of the board/regime then anything to do with Jonas ability as a footballer. Ignore the illness and dislike for the board, and the cold hard reality is that most on here wouldn’t have wanted him to get an extended contract

  • 77 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:11 AM

    Veltman,
    Just support the players? Are they not the ones who are continually letting us down? Have they not had support for the majority of their time here? The crowd have backed them for the most part this season, and in past season’s, aiming their anger at other targets. I think it is about time that some of the under performing, lazy and overpaid prima donnas were called out on their consistently poor and effortless showings.

    You queried my wanting to drop Sissoko the other day, who has been poor all season and lacks application and interest more than most, yet are okay throwing Benitez under the bus when he has only had a few games.

    If we don’t turn it around and stay up, those players have to shoulder a massive part of the blame, far more than Benitez.

  • 78 jimmysmith // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:21 AM

    The players are shallow, neurotic, self interested and callow, but they are in the main kids, after all.

    Whatever happens in the off season will be a chastening experience, for players, management and fans alike, but for now, no matter how undeserving, the team needs the crowds support.

    Otherwise, and without question, Championship here we come.

  • 79 Veltman // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:28 AM

    What is it with Jonas?
    He was seriously ill for a while.So what does the club expected to do? It’s always a risk playing a person who have a minor issue, let alone serious one.Couple that with him not playing for a yr or 2. So Why don’t he just shut his gobshit and move on?

    Jail – The club always has been Ashley’s way.
    I have no problem with that as long as he does the right things.Atleast he tried to fix it but the downside is he left it too late.There was a feeling that it’s a matter of time before he sees the setbacks.And he started seeing them.If we managed to escape the drop, I don’t see any problem for z club to get back to where it belong under his management.

  • 80 jimmysmith // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:36 AM

    Small matter of a contract I suppose, and also that a footballers career is short, and that cancer will kill you if not treated properly and early, and even if it isn’t, and notwithstanding that of course Jonas was a loyal servant to the club over many years, and ultimately a heroic one.

  • 81 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:37 AM

    Jimmy,
    That argument has merits, and in general I would almost always concur with it. I think one or two have burnt their bridges though, and don’t really deserve to be backed.

    Some have had almost unconditional (and unjustified) backing since they arrived, and have continually let the club and fans down. I don’t think they have got much abuse and have in fact been supported and backed by the fans all year. Where has it got us?

    Canning a few of them for some games might improve the mood of fans and other players alike, and also might give those dropped a kick up the arse for if/when they are used as subs.

  • 82 Jail for Ashley // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:39 AM

    Veltman,
    Well for nine years he hasn’t done the right thing hence the four relegation battles. It wasn’t so much a matter of time either, had we of scraped a point against Bmouth Mclaren would still be here and we’d have been humped off of Leicester and been seven in a row off the mackems.

  • 83 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM

    “So Why don’t he just shut his gobshit and move on?”

    Seriously? I don’t really agree with it all, but have a bit of respect for a bloke who gave his all every time he stepped on the pitch for us.

  • 84 Jail for Ashley // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:42 AM

    Lilongwe,
    If we lose against Swansea I think the crowd will let Wijnaldum and Sissoko know what they think of their efforts, maybe Jaanmatt knew that and engineered his Keystone injuries.

  • 85 firebug666 // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:47 AM

    Eeeeeeee! Is the credibility of our regime being brought into question? Well who would have thought.

    It’s only taken 8 years, well not so much for the fans who have been pretty much spot on since the beginning.

  • 86 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:48 AM

    Jail,
    If Sissoko has any sort of clue, I think he will already have grasped it. Only Taylor and Gouffran had more people voting to get rid of them this summer than Sissoko. 90% in the Ronny’s recent poll wanted Sissoko out of the club.

    Wijnaldum had a keep vote in the low 60’s I think. I think he still has some goodwill left with the fans, although it is rapidly diminishing.

  • 87 jimmysmith // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:51 AM

    Lilo, I suppose the players who might be considered most undeserving would include, Janmaat, Sissoko and Wijnaldum.

    Unfortunately they are also among a select core of players that have the ability to save us, and their replacements far less so.

    De Jong and Tiote might come in and do the job, but Mbabu, Anita, Aarons, Obertan, Rivierre, Saivet, even Colback, I have my doubts.

  • 88 Jib // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:53 AM

    Lilo
    I think the club (from a playing perspective ) needs major surgey and not just a patch up.

    Circumstances have combined to enable us to have the services of a manager we could only have dreamed about a few short months ago.

    RB is one of the more cerebral figures in modern football and more than capable of setting the club on a better course for generations to come , we have to keep him no matter what.

    http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/newcastle-united/latest-nufc-news/newcastle-could-attempt-to-keep-rafa-benitez-even-if-club-goes-down-1-7853684

  • 89 Jail for Ashley // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:55 AM

    JimmySmith,
    Like I said before I think we are in for a shock regarding buy out clauses if we go down. If it’s found that the three you mentioned can leave for next to nothing should we go down then their behaviours should tarnish them for life.

  • 90 Jail for Ashley // Apr 15, 2016 at 7:57 AM

    Jib,
    (From a playing perspective). Are you some how implying that the upper management is ticking along just fine?

  • 91 Jail for Ashley // Apr 15, 2016 at 8:00 AM

    Jib,
    But you didn’t dream about it, you gave Mclaren your full backing and defiantly stated that he should not be sacked even if he repeatedly failed to reach his targets.

  • 92 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 15, 2016 at 8:00 AM

    Jimmy,
    What do you base their ability to save us on? Out of those three I’d probably only have Wijnaldum as a potential ‘saver’. Janmaat costs us more than he saves, and Sissoko is probably the only attacking winger in the Prem yet to register a goal this season.

  • 93 hibbitt // Apr 15, 2016 at 8:07 AM

    lilongwe

    that made me LOL attacking winger

  • 94 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 15, 2016 at 8:09 AM

    Jib,
    I said the squad needed major surgery last summer. We didn’t do enough. You disagreed at the time. But the losing and disinterested mentality never left the club, because it wasn’t cleared out and refreshed. There needed to be a clear out, Ashley used the phrase ‘making our own luck’ we didn’t.

    I’m pleased that you finally agree, whether the club really do, we shall see, but even then, it is too little too late. If they have finally realised, it isn’t praise worthy, it is just (further) evidence of a lack of knowledge in their died of employment throughout the upper echelons of the club.

  • 95 sing in the corner // Apr 15, 2016 at 8:09 AM

    Well as my ambitions for the toon this year flounder on the rocks once more I am reduced to wanting to see the team sent out show a bit of stomach for the fight, win lose or draw. If we are to go down, and it looks more than likely,I’ll be devastated obviously, but Howay you black n white bags of shite, at least salvage a few crumbs of pride and get stuck in.
    But I suspect most of this flat lining team just can’t wait for the death knell now, and for their agents to come up with a quick summer exit strategy.
    For probably the last hope…Howay the lads tomorra…

  • 96 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 15, 2016 at 8:10 AM

    hibbit,
    He certainly isn’t a defensive one….

  • 97 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 15, 2016 at 8:12 AM

    *died should read field…

  • 98 jimmysmith // Apr 15, 2016 at 8:15 AM

    Lil, all three of those players are current French and Dutch internationals, and have had storming games for us in the past. They are at least capable, I doubt their replacements are.

  • 99 Tsunki // Apr 15, 2016 at 8:18 AM

    Well having seen the arguments for and against Jonas I have to say it’s missing the point entirely when the bottom line is that they were adjudged to be less than honest in their testimony so whether or not ‘this sort of thing happens all the time’ is irrelevant. Conjecture over whether he was worthy of playing or having his contract extended is moot (I personally always thought Jonas game was ruined, he was one of the fitter, more dedicated players, and playing in his natural role turned out he was a match winner I think worthy of another year at least) – they tried to pull a clever one as many do, but this time they got caught out trying to go about it more shoddily than usual.

    KK, now Jonas. No smoke without fire.

  • 100 Jib // Apr 15, 2016 at 8:23 AM

    Lilo

    At least when we disagree I don’t get frothing at the mouth abuse from you.

    You also do have the admirable habit of not crowing when proven right.

    I think a change of mindset and ackowledgement of dropped bollocks , while not praiseworthy , can be recognised.

  • 101 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 15, 2016 at 8:24 AM

    Jimmy,
    Sissoko has had maybe 2 or 3 storming games for us since arriving. Because he is quick, people translate that into him being a good player. He isn’t. He is a track athlete who can kick a ball a bit. He also couldn’t give two hoots, lacks any sort of passion, commitment, desire. He personifies almost everything that has been wrong with the club for the past couple of seasons.

    The Dutch team didn’t qualify for the easiest to qualify Euro’s of all time…. Janmaat has had good games, but he is way off it at the moment, and Mbemba is more than comfortable as a full back. Can you honestly say that Mbemba, Lascelles, Colo, Dummet doesn’t look more solid than any combination of those 4 with Janmaat at right back?

    Gini has got goals and assists in him. He needs to not play on the left where he continually narrows the game, and he needs to not play deep forcing Shelvey into the more defensive midfield role. Gini right wing instead of Sissoko and Townsend on the left would offer far more creativity and goal threat.

  • 102 Lilongwe Geordie // Apr 15, 2016 at 8:30 AM

    Jib,
    Yeah, and I would happily acknowledge it if they openly admitted that they got it wrong and those who are culpable were held responsible for their actions. Reports say there will be an inquest come seasons end – I think that makes it 4 summers in a row that we have done that.

    Something has to give, and people need to be accountable for their actions. To me, that means Ashley removes the entire board and allows someone far more knowledgeable to select candidates that are of a proven quality and have expertise in this, or related fields.

    Just like with just about every sphere of employment, there are specialist sports recruitment organisations who can assist Ashley (and likely Keith Bishop) in the selection.




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