Former Player – There’s Still Hope For Newcastle – Maybe

Jermaine Jenas was a good young player for us after he signed for the club and Sir Bobby Robson – way back in 2002 – and he stayed three years, but then left after Bobby had been gone a year – and he admitted it was because Bobby had left (he was sacked) the previous year.

Jermaine is getting to be a decent football pundit and since we are the club who bought him from Nottingham Forest and give him his big chance in the Premier League as an 18 year-old, he talks about Newcastle a lot.

jermaine jenas

Jermaine Jenas in action for Newcastle circa – 2003

Jermaine’s right to say we are still in with a chance of survival with six games left – and four wins could still see us safe – but getting those wins – given the current poor mindset of our players – seems almost impossible.

Jenas seems to saying we can still survive – kind of:

This is what Jermaine has written in Yahoo Sport:

“Newcastle aren’t completely out of it, purely on the basis that the teams above them still could go the whole rest of the season without winning a game.”

“It’s possible, although it’s wishful thinking from the Magpies’ perspective.”

“The strange thing is that when I saw the transfer business these three teams did in the January window, I was most impressed with Newcastle’s signings and least so with Norwich’s.”

“But the fact they have edged it since then is a testament to Alex Neil’s quality and also to the team spirit he has managed to maintain at the club.”

“They have a never-say-die attitude and they can score goals, especially at home, whereas confidence seems to drain from Newcastle and Sunderland the moment they concede.”

“Newcastle, in particular, have only come from behind to win once in the last 18 months (against Tottenham at White Hart Lane this season, somewhat bizarrely) and that tends to tell you a lot about a team, unfortunately.”

Two of the players we signed in January – Henri Saivet and Seydou Doumbia – are not even getting on the subs bench and one of the players we signed last summer – Florian Thauvin bolted back to France in January because he couldn’t stand the pressure on Tyneside.

And while Gini Wijnaldum is a terrific player when  in form – he doesn’t seem to have the heart for a relegation fight and will leave the club this summer.

So it’s difficult to say we have spent £82M wisely in the transfer market.

Hopefully people will be held accountable for that and will be sacked in the summer.

But we have our doubts about that too.

Comments welcome.

89 comments so far

  • Jib

    Apr 14, 2016 at 9:34 AM

    Comment #1

    Welshie @5 previous page

    Ha ha ha ha

    Blackley is sooo dim he walked straight into that 😀

  • Veltman

    Apr 14, 2016 at 9:38 AM

    Comment #2

    I don’t mind Rafa stays or leaves.He is one of Europe’s best coaches in the last 10yrs or so,but he has his own limitations and stubbornness.
    He usually got dismissed from his previous clubs because of wrong tactics and playing players out of position.We saw that on Sissoko.
    He continually talking about confidence but we haven’t seen any change of confidence from the players,let alone scoring an opening goal/enough goals or cleansheet/better defending.He is a CL and EL winner,which means he knows the basic setups to win games anywhere.You have to expect results and improvements in short period, esp in lesser clubs like ours.Ofcours the players should take the blame as well but still our squad is not the worst in the league.They are still capable of doing something good.He just could not find the right balance/formula.I still think we are finished.It will be a miracle if we managed to escape.

  • Jib

    Apr 14, 2016 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #3

    Pardew was a legend in his own lunchtime.

    McClaren was yesterdays man.

    Neither would or could attract top class players to the region , Benitez is on a completely different level .
    Ashley must fight tooth and nail to keep him.

    Ashley’s kids talked him into buying the more upmarket Cruise and USC shops , maybe it’s the perfect time to stop running the Toon like SD and more like Harrods.

  • Rotonda heights

    Apr 14, 2016 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #4


    ” We simply have to get over Alan Pardew and move on.”
    – – – – –

    if only you would Ed. CP are 16th, the same position we finished the season before AP left, after yet another rubbish losing streak.

  • Munster Mag

    Apr 14, 2016 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #5

    Its pretty clear that motivation isnt Rafa’s strong point. Its all well and good saying they came back to win the Champs League but that was about his tactical changes, as Stevie G has said. And liverpool had stevie G and other powerful leaders to spur the team on. Its Swansea or bust for us now but I cant see him being able to lift guys like Sissoko and Wini so maybe we should drop them, but i dont think he will. Rafa will tell us all about their good training and it will all sound good until these lazy scared bastads get on the pitch. Being at St James’ is what might save us, not Rafa’s motivational abilities or lack of them. He really is kicking a dog thats barely alive, unfortunatley for him

  • Munster Mag

    Apr 14, 2016 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #6

    Rotunda mate, I wont comment :).

  • Munster Mag

    Apr 14, 2016 at 9:51 AM

    Comment #7

    Jail, going back to a previous thread, I think Sunderland was the crucial game. Most of us were hugely optimistic that we would nail them, but Rafa couldnt even get the players up for that. First half we were asleep. Part of that is Rafa’s fault, but obviously most of it is due to the useless uncaring players we have. What a bunch of softcocks.

  • Munster Mag

    Apr 14, 2016 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #8

    If you meet any Swansea fans, buy them a pint. Because they beat Wigan a few years ago and that saved us, along with Boswinga.

  • Jail for Ashley

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:07 AM

    Comment #9

    You’ve been banging the Rafa motivation drum for a while now, you nailed it first.
    On Pardew, it has been shown that he done a better job than Mclaren and Carver and that our players really are shit. But the whole point of the sackpardew rabble/crew/mob was that we deserved a better manager. We could have had a Rafa type manager for the last five years if Ashley wanted.

  • stuart no9

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #10

    veltman —– no good having a pop at rafa if the last 3 managers ( coaches) were having the same problem , as the whole world can now see =- its the players we have , they are shyte , there is no othetr word for it – bad buys from a bad board of directors , when you inhereit a a load of players with bad attitude and no character, what on earth do you expect rafa\ to do , ? completely change their whole personality ?? We only have a couple of fighters in the team , the rest are prima donnas who need to f”’k off. the sooner the better as far as i am concerned and give rafa a 5 years deal as BOSS

  • Jail for Ashley

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:09 AM

    Comment #11

    The collective wages of Marveaux, Gouffran, Obertan and Riverie, not to mention Cabella and Thauvin would have hired Mourinho ffs.

  • stuart no9

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #12

    Munster —- at least rafa got a point off the mackems , when was the last time that happened ??

  • Munster Mag

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #13

    Jail can you not see any logic in the rafa motivation argument. I dont think its his strong card and he has had almost no effect on results or motivation.

  • Jib

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #14

    I see Leighton James and Jack Cork are trying to wind up Shelvey.
    I hope the hairless one keeps his cool and tears the Jacks a new one on Saturday.

  • Munster Mag

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #15

    Stuart thats true but it was the makems for goodness sake, not barca. And we were 6 mins from losing. Norwich were better than us ( just) and saints laughed at us. I feel sorry for rafa in many ways but i dont think he has been effective. He has done no better than smc or pardew in reality. what a bunch of mercenaries we have.

  • lesh

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #16


  • Munster Mag

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #17

    Jail re the players above i believe we discussed carr previously 😀

  • lesh

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #18


    If Ashley were to buy Harrods, he’d manage to turn it into an outlet for tat!

  • Jail for Ashley

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:22 AM

    Comment #19

    He’s the best manager we’ve had since KK. If we’d have got Pearson in and he’d been shit there’d be hell on. We got the best unemployed manager with PL experience in the world. What more can you ask for. We were well up for it against Leicester, we’ve bottled it agai st the mackems for three years now, if he’d been brought in after that Chelsea debacle results may well have been different, he wasn’t. If a guy with his CV can’t motivate this bunch of cowards who do you think could.

  • Jib

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:25 AM

    Comment #20


    (62) De Jong for Colback
    (71) Anita for Janmaat
    (76) Cisse for Townsend

    This was the team at home to Sunlun arguably one of our better displays
    Clearly no Elliot now and Dummett probably returns at left back.
    Colback in MF should allow Shelvey to get into more threatening positions
    I’d go conventional 4-4-2
    Anita/Janmaat – M’Bemba -Lascelles -Dummett
    Sissoko – Colback – Shelvey – Townsend
    Mitro – Cissé
    With De Jong , Doumbia and Perez as impact subs

  • Laurent Robert 32

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #21

    It’s not looking great, but where there’s points to be had I will still hope and support a miracle.

    Football is strange, anything can happen. If Leicester’s near relegation last year hadn’t convinced you, this this season should have.

  • Blackley and Brownlie

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #22

    I see you’re grooming Welsh for your own high 5 gang.

  • Jib

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #23

    I think I’ll go and have a lie down.

    I’m finding myself nodding in agreement with some of the points made by Jail for Ashley.

    Very worrying 🙁

  • Ian Toon

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:32 AM

    Comment #24

    Rotunda- I find myself agreeing with Munster and surprisingly Jail. You should – Make like a shepherd and get the FLOCK out of here.

    You’ve been wrong on so many levels – it seems every time you herald and voice an opinion. Everton fans are desperately looking to get shot of the housewives favourite Martinez. I notice you’ve gone quiet on singing the praises of Martinez. Is this because the penny has dropped you also think he can’t organise a defence or is it because he’s damaging John Stones future – the sooner he moves the better. Martinez post match interviews are just a long winded apology for his incompetence – the locals have long since stopped listening.

    Your charge sheet shows- Martinez, Pardew, Pochettino on the managerial front . As is your habit you started singing the praises of Pochettino when the media started raving over him and linking him with Manu etc. Some of us were saying the same 2-3 seasons ago- in fact when he was at the Saints. AND – On the player front 2-3 seasons ago you laughed at my suggestion of securing Mark Noble and James Tomkins at the time for a combined fee of around £ 8 million. Both were available but you made a ridiculous nebulous link with Pardew as I recall.

  • Munster Mag

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:34 AM

    Comment #25

    Jail i want rafa to stay but its difficult to give him credit given how poor we have been since he came, bar leicester. Who knows, maybe pearson would have bullied more effort out of them. Whoever gets him in the championship will have a good chance of going up. I hope rafa stays obviously. Mind u. Have u praised ashley for getting him?

  • Ian Toon

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #26

    Jib- Yes it’s worrying. Jail seems to have had a conversion to talking sense. Who would have thunked it!
    I certainly won’t be finding fault with him going to SJP like one ex Heed fan.

  • stuart no9

    Apr 14, 2016 at 10:39 AM

    Comment #27

    munster— i know what your saying , i always said ” but were only playing the mackems not RM ”but the thing is it has taken 4 years to get that 1 point and it was only rafas 2nd game , did anyone expect more than a point really.OK not ideal but it was a start . the problem is rafa has seen as much as we all that the players we have just dont want to be here , which makes his job doubly hard . i hope he sticks with it even if we go down and let him build his own team , not someone elses

  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Apr 14, 2016 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #28

    Rafa is tactically astute, and comfortably the best available manager with Prem experience apart from maybe Mourinho. But I don’t think you can argue with him being unable to motivate and inspire the players. He certainly has struggled to get them up for the start of a game since Leicester.

    Dropping players who are not putting the effort in is likely to inspire a greater increase in motivation for the others, and it is now surely time to try this. This weekend is huge for us, Norwich and Swansea wins would mean our survival is pretty much all over bar the shouting. He has to attempt something different, be it personnel or tactics or both.

    If we do lose, then I think Rafa needs to announce his intentions, either publicly or privately so that we can (if needs be) start the search for a new man to take over next season.

  • Tsunki

    Apr 14, 2016 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #29

    Rafa came in far too late to save us, he was only brought in as a last ditch attempt by Charnley to save him from the chop. He was counting on a huge New Manager Effect – however this was futile thinking given our woeful and blighted squad. Judging someone who has come in at 5 to midnight and expecting him to organise the new years party is specious to say the least.

  • Tsunki

    Apr 14, 2016 at 11:23 AM

    Comment #30

    Ed if the Pardew Out crowd/mob/crew/gathering/
    Rabble/ensemble/mass/flock/urchins/ne-er-do-wells/sea/bunch/gaggle/throng/flood/band/etc can get over Pardew I’m sure the rest of us can!


  • Tsunki

    Apr 14, 2016 at 11:24 AM

    Comment #31

    Jib @23 it’s been a funny few days for you mate I’d get your blood pressure and sugar checked just in case.

  • Tsunki

    Apr 14, 2016 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #32

    Are we seeing the humble beginnings of a Benitez Out! Crew/mob/clan…..


  • lesh

    Apr 14, 2016 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #33


    C’mon man, do you really believe that Charnley brought Rafa in? He was the one that was backing McClaren by not sacking him earlier and what’s more, it’s been abundantly clear that Charnley’s frightened to or incapable of doing anything without Ashley’s approval.

    Charnley’s probably wears slip-ons or shoes with Velcro for fastenings. How he manages to put one front in front of the other without falling over, god only knows.

  • Back Door Man

    Apr 14, 2016 at 11:38 AM

    Comment #34

    Oh dear Tsunki.  When you wrote: “Bdm. yeah. That SAF. What What fraud.” yesterday in response to my take on the widespread cult of manager worship you invoked Ferguson in an attempt to counter my arguement.  An exception that proves the rule perhaps?

    Ferguson fits just about ALL of those characteristics I listed but was one of the few who clearly had a grasp of how to meld a successful team, perhaps he was a rarity, a natural leader of men.  He is also one of the very few managers who finished with his head held high;  most of the rest get booted out in ignominy.  Why do the rest of these false prophets and shysters get cashiered?  Maybe it’s because they’re empty vessels and have been found out.  I don’t blame them, I blame the tossers who worship at their veruca covered feet – that was the thrust of the arguement.  A pox on the cult of manager worship and all who sail in her.

  • Jail for Ashley

    Apr 14, 2016 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #35

    I have it on good authority that Churners used to tuck his jumper into his underpants before Keith Bishop turned up.

  • lochinvar

    Apr 14, 2016 at 11:47 AM

    Comment #36

    Lesh@18/ jib

    Ashley might not have bought Harrods yet to turn it into a tat store, but he’s already done it with Lillywhites

  • Back Door Man

    Apr 14, 2016 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #37

    One suprise emerging after Tsunki’s spanking of the lovely BDM was Jib wanting to lick Tsunki’s nether regions.  I’m sure the fragrant Tsunki will be appalled at the thought of that mouth, that tongue …. ugh! 

    As to Jib wittering “Back Door Man’s huge balloon of vain ill-informed pomposity …” just because a fella deploys an extended code, instead of the usual monosyllabic grunts often seen drooling down Jib’s chinless countenance, shows a complete lack of awareness as to the lovely BDM’s mission here.  My worthy crusade is to amuse  and admonish, correct and guide and when appropriate, punish Jib by tanning his spotty arse.

    Clearly Jib is one of those morbidly obese guys on the throbnet who opine – without irony – that commenting on a game of two halves somehow makes their minute dicks grow and be visible beyond their fatty folds and above a pair of sagging knackers which have been well-rubbed and are now glowing like a couple of brightly coloured ballons strung up at some kiddies’s birthday bash. He sits in his darkened room,  bathed only in the flickering glow of a monitor, whilst greedily slurping through his cruel, rouged cat’s arsehole of a gob a rancid tub of Pot Noodle after a spot of onanism … I suppose it’s his version of the post-coital snout.

    When captured by the ‘forces of good’ in the shape of the usually fragrant Tsunki (would have been always fragrant had he not had a pop at the lovely BDM yesterday) or the magnificent Mr Tuff, his replies have been scrawled with squids’ ink in the hopeless attempt to escape critisism. What a shame, he can go a couple of days producing stuff infused with a measure of insight, a dash of humour and a pinch of humanity but will always succumb to a bout of his very own blend of Tourette’s syndrome.  This is when his mutterings are often veined with serious discrimination and malevolence, he can’t help sneering at everyone and everything – white or black, male or female, straight or gay, fat or thin, Muslim or Jew.  The only time this hate is acceptable is when it’s directed at the mackemscum.

    Having said all that I’m often interested and amused by what he contributes and reckon this place would be more anaemic without him – he does ‘enrich’ our experience here.  He’s a bit like the medieval village idiot who constantly bleats out funny noises only to find himself being chased around town whilst being poked with sticks and eventually ends up being shackled in the stocks where we throw rotten fruit and veg at him.  It brings to mind Charles Laughton’s fabulous portrayal of Quasimodo, the deformed bellringer, in the classic 1939 film The Hunchback of Notre Dame.

    Vain? Pompous? Moi? Non, jamais!

    Keep up the good work Jiblets, we do love you.

  • Jib

    Apr 14, 2016 at 11:52 AM

    Comment #38

    If Rafa stays
    I think Carr will be down the road (he’s past retirement age anyway )
    Moncur back to his ambassadorial duties
    Charnley will be kept on with someone appointed over him and that is the big Q who to appointed as the new CEO ?
    I think they have to have regional connections and a background in Sport (not necessarily footy)
    At the moment Rob Andrew is neither nowt nor summat at the RFU (they call him Director of Elite Rugby) someone like him to come in with no preconceived ideas .
    The EPL and the FA often appoint people with sporting backgrounds that are not football.

  • stuart no9

    Apr 14, 2016 at 11:54 AM

    Comment #39

    Lil -Geordie.—–yeah it would be great to drop our absentees , however , who do you put in ?? thats the problem . If he plays the so called first team and gets beat , he gets slaughtered , – drops them to play another fringe players or kids and gets beat – he gets slaughterd at such a crucial time , either way its a no win situation , unless we win of course , if you get my drift , then the mood will lift and we are really back in with a shout .
    Rafa has only 1 crack at this , so he might be forced to play the want aways , coz really they re his only hope of survival .
    Getting teams to fight for the cause is one thing – getting players to play who dont want to , is a differant matter all together .

  • The next Mike Williamson

    Apr 14, 2016 at 11:58 AM

    Comment #40

    We need to appoint a managing director with a track record and not some knacker like kinnear or promote somebody to a key position just because they’re loyal or a nice bloke like Charnley, moncur, or Beardsley. those three need to go. as does dave Watson. he was a head the ball from the long ball days and Evertons captain for 20 years or something. so if he had any talent he’d be coaching at Everton. Everton have clearly looked further afield and hired decent staff hence their brilliant youth system and our dismal one.
    I would keep Carr as french scout since we’re paying him anyway and half his signings have been ok.


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