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Rafa Benitez Explains What Has Given Newcastle A Lift

8:55 pm, Saturday, April 30th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 112 Comments

It wasn’t pretty but Newcastle got the win they desperately needed today against Crystal Palace and we are now on a surge to safety with 8 points from the last four games.

That’s about 25% of our points this season in just four games, but Rafa and the lads will now have a full week to prepare for the game at Villa Park next Saturday and that will be another cup final – and it will not be an easy game.

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Rafa Benitez on the touchline today

The capacity crowd at Newcastle urged their side on and we saw a terrific goal from Andros Townsend, although Rafa says the former Spurs players could (should) have scored one or two more after that.

And Karl Darlow made the save of the season for Newcastle when he saved Yohan Cabaye’s penalty and that’s the first of ten penalties they have missed this season.

This is what our (great) manager Rafa Benitez said after the game:

“It was a great game for everyone.” “The team spirit and commitment, the connection between fans and players has given us a lift.”

“The main thing was to show character and win the game, after that Sunderland and Norwich could win. But that doesn’t matter! You have to do your job. We now concentrate on Aston Villa.”

“It was a fantastic winning goal, but it was a pity as well. Andros scored a great goal, but he could have scored one or two more.”

Newcastle are now going from losers under Steve McClaren and John Carver to winners under Rafa Benitez.

We have only won eight games all season, but two of them have come in the last four games and we must make that three in the last five games at Villa Park.

That could be the win that saves us this season – but we must get all 3 points somehow – it doesn’t have to be pretty.

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112 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Bobbybee // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:04 PM

    Rafa’s given us that lift, but he’s too modest to say so himself. Imagine if that was hippo heed, or Pardew? They’d be drowning in self praise. 😉

  • 2 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:08 PM

    Noahj
    I reckon Rafa sees Cisse as a willing runner to pressure their defenders. But also the opposition know that he’s a will-o-the-wisp and have to keep him closely marked.

  • 3 Jib // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:12 PM

    I’ve never been a huge critic of Mike Dean but I thought he did his best to screw it up for us today.
    The immediate yellow for Chancel early doors without a finger wag first was naughty and hamstrung him for the rest of the game.

    Two yellows for us none for them – yer ‘avin a larf !

    And his usual contentious penalty.

    Well done Cabs for doing the right thing.
    On MotD tonight looks at Yoans eyes – he indicates to Darlow which way to dive.

  • 4 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:15 PM

    Jib
    What about the fact that the Mbemba yellow card was a clear yellow card? And unnecessary by Mbemba. Mbemba not helped by our inability to deliver the ball in the box.

  • 5 mindshaft // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:16 PM

    haha doubt Cabaye cares if we go down or not – was a poor penalty but they always look poor if keeper guesses the right way. if Darlow had dived the other way then people would say it was a good pen

  • 6 stan anderson // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:16 PM

    Please Mr slug you must see that you need to have a real football person at our club.
    Not has beens from the 1960s and pen sharpeners,and the other leeches that are there for the ride and money.
    We can only hope that Rafa is really loving our club and is willing to stay with us whatever happens.
    Maybe he can engage with Mr Slug and give him some knowledge of how a Premier League club ought to be run.
    Ashley OOT.

  • 7 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:19 PM

    Jib

    Aye, and the Colback yellow card was a clear yellow card. Are you saying it wasn’t?

  • 8 mindshaft // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:23 PM

    Think Rafa actually dropping players such as Gini, Shelvey has shown players they need to give it all or be dropped – I’ve no problem with him starting Cisse as he pulls defenders all over the place and is a lot more mobile than Mitrovic – Cisse can be annoying with his first touch but he did show some nice touches as well today.
    Dummett whilst okay defensively is basically a hoofball merchant who constantly gives possession away.
    Difficult to fault anyone today – Gini could have done better but still made a lot of the chances himself
    Lascelles and Mbemba are a decent partnership , lets hope we can keep them no matter what league we are in next season

  • 9 Bobbybee // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:23 PM

    They should’ve had at least one for timewasting if nothing else. What’s more annoying is that they deliberately wasted time from the first kick. That time then comes back in their favour by having five minutes for them to try and score! This has happened to us before! A late goal in time added on for their flaming cheating! Wasting time add ons should never benefit the guilty, but they quite clearly do. Not sure how to fix it fairly, without others getting up in arms over it. Contentious issue. Discuss? 😉

  • 10 mindshaft // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:25 PM

    Jib – both Colback and Mbembas cards were deserved and pretty obvious yellows – thier pen was more contentious as i dont even think it hit Sissokos hand

  • 11 magscar // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:26 PM

    There was a lot of poor passing not even under pressure so conceding possession to a side known to thrive on counter attacking.

    I think from watching on line there was tension in players not necessarily from crowd just the situation we are in. What did it seem like to those who were there?

    Palace’s time wasting from the whistle made it difficult to keep any momentum.

    A couple of stand out players with all working hard but not a game to remember apart from the ovation to the 96, Townsend’s free kick Darlow’s saves and of course 3 more precious points. At the end of the season we have had the latter is what it is all about not scintillating performances welcome though they would be.

    Still drained but will watch MOTD 🙂

  • 12 mindshaft // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:27 PM

    They could have been given yellows for the time wasting, I remember us doing that same tactic under Pards

  • 13 reilly // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:27 PM

    2 more wins thats all.
    if not lets hope we drag the scum down with us.

  • 14 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:27 PM

    Jib
    Contentious penalty you say? Difficult to see at the game and on tv but it looks like Dean called it right. I reckon your post @3 shows that football is not really your bag.

  • 15 stan anderson // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:27 PM

    Ashley really should see the potential in this club.
    It only needs a sniff of hope of success and the fans would flock back and buy all that is Black and White.
    Ashley OOT

  • 16 NoahJ // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:28 PM

    blackley,

    I’d love to say that’s the reason, but I don’t think Cisse’s that smart lol. Probably more that rafa has a winning formula that he doesn’t want to break…. cisse’s movement is so poor, it’s almost a waste of 60 minutes (until he’s subbed) for us to score. I personally think he could be more of an impact sub than mitro, so if I was rafa, I’d switch them round.

    Another positive for us today: it’s impossible for us to get relegated at villa park again – that would have been just topped up this miserable season for me (along with probable sunderland staying up, and a pardew fa cup)

  • 17 Jib // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:29 PM

    Blackley must have gone to the same school as Jail

    He clearly has problems with English comprehension as well.

    I know you like like niggling at every point I make , however if you think there was no occasion on which a Palace player could have been yellow – carded you are dimmer than I thought (and that is pretty dim !)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPbaWf5-uzE

  • 18 magscar // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:32 PM

    Bobby@9

    It annoyed the hell out of me but once we had scored we did give some of it back to them with our goal kicks etc. 🙂

    Not sure what can be done about it but it was worse in 1st half and there were 3 minutes added on not entirely due to injuries I think.

    Time wasting, wrestling in box and stealing yards on throw ins are my biggest bug bears in the game at moment. Rarely see anything done about them and some teams have it down to a fine art.

  • 19 stan anderson // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:35 PM

    The Scum have certainly had the luck on their side.
    It worries me as we are much better than they are.
    We were all over them at the Stadium of Shite till the ref.joined their ranks

  • 20 Bobbybee // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:35 PM

    Mags, this time of the season marra! The players are bound to be a touch nervy. There wasn’t much concern in the crowd, in reply to your question, considering what’s at stake. At no time were we ever under pressure really. The odd scare, but that always happens – that’s football. Even when they got the pen, i expected darlow to save it, because it felt right. Momentum is crucial. Sunlun’s has stalled, norwich never got started. Those draws are music to my ears. If you can’t lose, a draw is a good second! 😉 They’re feeling the pressure, whilst ours gave me a feeling of a team that knows what it needs to do. The workrate off the ball today was tremendous.

  • 21 magscar // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:38 PM

    Mackems are lucky that Defoe has avoided any injuries. Still if we win last 2 games draws are no good to them or Norwich.

    I think they are looking at today as a point gained ( as would we in that situation in 94th minute) but it was 2 points dropped.

  • 22 Bobbybee // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:38 PM

    Whoa! Talksport singing our praises?! There’s a first! 😉

  • 23 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:43 PM

    Jib
    You are the dim one. If that was the point you wanted to make, you would be well advised to provide evidence to support it. You provided nothing. In fact you shot yourself in the foot by providing three examples of Mike Dean appearing to get it spot on. How silly.

  • 24 magscar // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:43 PM

    Thanks Bobby.

    On stream i had the crowd were noisy at times and gave good backing but there were quieter moments. Never heard any sighs/groans though despite the poor passing as you get sometimes but it isn’t the same as being there.

    Were you not nervous in 1st half? I was throughout match but after penalty save was begining to think it was our day 🙂

  • 25 Bobbybee // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:45 PM

    Mags, i was thinking along the lines of taking the injury time away from the ref. Let the 4th official do it. He can seperate time wasting minutes into who did it. Don’t let it ever benefit the guilty, that’s all. Then, line them up against the wall…. too much? 😉

  • 26 lesh // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:46 PM

    Bobby

    Speaking of Rafa’s quiet approach to things, you probably picked up on the way he gently kicked Townsend’s backside when he mentioned that although Townsend scored one, he should’ve had another one or two.

  • 27 magscar // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:47 PM

    Bobby
    Oh and was it you that started the YNWA as you promised 🙂

    Even on telly it came across the clapping and made me proud of our fans

  • 28 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:48 PM

    Jib criticises Mike Dean for his poor decisions. In support he cites three examples of Dean appearing to get his decisions spot on. And then when I point this out, he criticises the English comprehension of Jail and me. You couldn’t make it up.

  • 29 lesh // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:48 PM

    It seems we’re on MoTD first.

  • 30 Bobbybee // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:50 PM

    Mags, not really. Even when palace had possession, they just huffed and puffed and i was convinced we’d steal it from the start. You know me mags, eternal optimist! 😉 It felt right. And what a goal to win it. Villa next. I believe we’ll win that as well. I’ve got to believe because i’m just not ready to throw the towel in yet, so my options are limited. 😉

  • 31 magscar // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:50 PM

    Bobby@25

    Seems like 4th official has enough being harangued by managers and coaches :-()
    Good call though. Don’t some sports have a seperate time keeper.

    On a wider point I remember reading some time ago that in a 90 minute match the ball is actually only in play for not much over the hour!!

  • 32 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:51 PM

    Mitro trying to rouse the crowd boils my pish. Janmaat does it. That pair need to do something with the ball worthy of rousing the crowd.

  • 33 magscar // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:56 PM

    Bobby

    For some reason when you are actually there at a match there is a different vibe as to how things are going than watching on TV or listening ( especially with doom mongers for commentators!) but it does help to be a massive optimist.

    Close ups on TV help but seeing the whole field of play and off ball running by players provides the greater appreciation of a game.

  • 34 Bobbybee // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:56 PM

    Mags, i started it where i sit, the best i could hope for. Then again, they did play YNWA before ko like i requested in my e mail. 😉 Joking apart, it was very respectful and stadium wide. We did them proud marra.

  • 35 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 9:59 PM

    Magscar @33
    Careful. I’ve made that point before. It’s not popular on here.

  • 36 magscar // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:02 PM

    B&B@32

    Know what you mean but I actually enjoyed Mitro’s moment which came after he had roughed up Delaney. He and Dann had had it pretty easy up until he came on.

  • 37 Mister Tuff // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM

    Oleg G – no decisions by tossing the coin. Posted this last week.
    Mister Tuff // Apr 18, 2016 at 12:58 AM
    Positions decided as follows:-
    Points, then goal difference, and then goals scored.
    If it is still equal after that -play off at a neutral ground.

  • 38 magscar // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:07 PM

    B&B@35

    So I have seen but I defy anyone who has ever been to a live match at SJP to not agree!

    Not denigrating those who haven’t been able to attend but it is like the difference to watching a band live in a crowd and watching in UltraHD with 7.1 surround sound – great substitute but nowt like the real thing

  • 39 Bobbybee // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:07 PM

    Mags, aye i’ve heard that too. Do it like ice hockey – stop the clock every time it goes dead. Play 35 minutes each half. 😉 Naw, don’t know the real answer, but those clowns at the fa are paid to come up with ideas.
    That’s why i love to go to games marra. The bigger picture and the buzz. They could put us on tv live every game, free of charge, but i’d still pay to watch. Think it’s become an illness mags lmao! I can get a kick out of watching a sunday morning league game live, let alone Newcastle. I just love football. We all do. It’s our weakness. 😉

  • 40 Goofy // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:11 PM

    Great win today, nervy in the last 5-10 mins but a precious 3 points.

    I’m beginning to believe confidence brings luck. All season we’ve not looked comfortable in any area on the park, now that Benitez is here the confidence has risen and so has the luck, with the other teams dropping points and Darlow saving the pen.

    If Leicester beat Manure tomorrow that’ll be another possible bonus, as long as Spurs keep winning 2nd spot will be theres before the last game of the season, meaning they’ll having nowt to play for, giving us a better chance of the win.

    Maybe lady luck is giving us a little back.

  • 41 magscar // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM

    Anyway we are first up on MOTD and we didn’t even lose?

    So getting ready to watch with a beer and without the tension and to hope for some credit for the spirit if not the performance 🙂

  • 42 martoon // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:14 PM

    Jib & Blackley – both our yellow cards were deserved BUT how Palace ended up with none is beyond me. They did a couple of nasty fouls not to mention the time wasting. I know we are biased but Mike Dean did seem to turn a blind eye to some of their antic – and where he got 5 minutes added time from when he only gave 3 in the first half is again beyond me.

  • 43 Bobbybee // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:16 PM

    Keep believing goofy! 😉 We’ll transfer all that positivity to the team using osmosis. Until the maths says we’re down, BELIEVE we can stay up. We’re Newcastle, we’ll fight till the end. The flame of hope just burnt that tiny bit brighter! 😉 HTL!!!

  • 44 Ibizatoon // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM

    Blackley & Magscar…For my part, my objection has never been that the experience isn’t better, or that you get a better feel for things, but to use it as a reasoning for an opinion having more substance, because you were at a game, rather than watching it on TV, just doesn’t really wash with me.

    Clearly there are people within the stadium that don’t share opinions on what they see. Therefore, being at the game simply can’t be an overriding factor.

    If you know nothing of football, being in the stadium wont help. Not implying neither of you know nothing of football.

    I don’t think anyone has ever objected to the idea that you get a better feel for the vibe of a game, at the game.

    Maybe not attendances though. Only joking Blackley. We don’t need to get the photo albums out tonight.

  • 45 magscar // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:19 PM

    Martoon

    Spot on. There was one reckless challenge in midfield by Jedinack(?) which was missed. Giving cards for time wasting in First halves though is rare if at all I think.

  • 46 Goofy // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:20 PM

    I think we will stay up. The scum play Chelski away next and might get a real battering, quashing there hopes 😀
    Osmosis?

  • 47 martoon // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:20 PM

    magscar @38 – I’ve said on here several times you see a lot more at the game. Colback is a case in point, on TV you may not notice him much but at the game you can see he works hard and harangues the opposition when they’ve got the ball.

  • 48 Ibizatoon // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:21 PM

    Great result though.

    Out of the bottom 3. A welcome relief. Jumping the Mackems too. Delightful.

  • 49 Nufc-83 // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:22 PM

    The yellow cards both deserved and it was definately a penalty. I can’t recall a bad enough tackle from them to get a yellow but their time wasting was a disgrace.

  • 50 magscar // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:27 PM

    Ibiza

    As I said not seeking to denigrate those who have never been. I was mostly talking about the experience hence my comparison to live bands but there is also a different perspective to seeing a game live. In fact there are different perspectives derived from where you are sat – low down , behind the goal halfway line etc.

    As far as I am aware I have never used it as a defence for a match goer having a more substantial viewpoint.

    MOTD about to start – night all

  • 51 Bobbybee // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:27 PM

    You get a better overall picture being there ibiza. You watch where you want to watch, not where the diector wants you to look. You can see if the team is holding its form. You see gaps appearing before they appear and whether those gaps are being utilised or not, often off camera. Just the matchday experience makes it worthwhile. Oops! MOTD. I’ll go and watch the game propery now! 😉 just banter marra

  • 52 sing in the corner // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:28 PM

    Excruciating, nerve jangling game! We looked half asleep in the first half at times.
    From where I was sitting up a height it was difficult to work out what the hell was going on with the hand ball / penalty. It took me a full minute to recover from the stun, and work out what Dean had given. Talk about a sinking feeling!
    Merci beau coup Yohan! Crap pen, but well done Darlow. Still had to make a decent stop.
    Squeaky bum time for the makems now though! We have momentum, they are in the quicksand. Keep up the good work Rafa and the boys!

  • 53 BandB // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:30 PM

    Isn’t this blog primarily conceived by Ed to serve fans from around the world who by definition can’t get to matches.
    Where have they gone since the blog was colonised by the Arayan Theory of fan segregation faction?
    There are plenty of Newcastle-based comments sections, but I guess those aren’t such happy hunting grounds.
    You are lucky enough to live near the ground lads. That’s all.

  • 54 jimmysmith // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:36 PM

    If Benitez keeps us up, and it is Benitez (and his staff) that is entirely the driver of this resurgence, and if it is worth the 100 million mooted, then that’s exactly what he should be given in the close season to finish off this squad.

    He’s a perfect fit for the club. Not just because of his tactical acumen, but also because of the strength of his self belief and character, which are wholly necessary characteristics to have if you want to manage Newcastle Utd.

  • 55 Toon Tang // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:45 PM

    Benitez telling Perez at the end to “FCUKING PASS THE BASTARD BALL IF THERE ARE 3 BUGGERING PLAYERS UP YA GOD DAMN ARSE”

    Thats what I got from the convo anyways. Any lip readers amongst us??

  • 56 Toon Tang // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:48 PM

    That highlight reel of Lascelles was visually exquisite.

  • 57 WWSBRD // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:48 PM

    Buying Townsend and getting him up to fitness has been huge for us. I said a while ago that if we are to stay up a lot will be down to him and once every so often I get one right

    The kid is proving his pre signing doubters wrong and long may it continue, I like him and I think he’s a good fit for our club…I also think he will hit Villa hard next week

  • 58 WWSBRD // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:50 PM

    Also Lascelles is maturing into the partner Mbemba deserved when he signed for us

  • 59 Ibizatoon // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:57 PM

    Magscar…I do believe our posts were in agreement.

    Bobby…What’s the oops about? Little accident with all the excitement?

    BandB…Cant or won’t?

    A fairly useless type of fan, those overseas fans, unless they can be positive from a distance, those ones are okay.

    But they still wont get it. They couldn’t. Nothing like the emotional attachment you get to this club, if you’re a local, match attending fan.

    That’s what I’m told anyway. I wouldn’t know 🙂

  • 60 beermonkey // Apr 30, 2016 at 10:58 PM

    got to be worth a bet for townsend to score against spurs

  • 61 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:00 PM

    Bobby’s right. Sorry Ibiza but there’s a contradiction in your comment. I don’t know why you want to argue the point. I’ve noticed the lads on here who go to the match generally have a very similar opinion on the game. I see BandB is getting carried away on another literary wave. Instead of being snotty, she should be grateful that our matchgoers share their opinions on here.

  • 62 lesh // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:00 PM

    Watching MoTD and it was touching to see the show of respect for the 96.

    To see that the Club had requested a minute of applause plus, a big plus, seeing the crowd singing You’ll Never Walked alone. Brilliant.

    I wonder where the idea came from in the first place? Was it the poster who floated the idea of a tribute or was it the Club, coincidence?

    Given our plight, the fact that fans should focus on that tribute shows how bloody marvellous they are.

    A big well done to all involved – it showed what a great place Newcastle is.

  • 63 Laurent Robert 32 // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:00 PM

    Great 3 points today. Great free kick from Townsend and save from Darlow, alongside a couple of other very good ones as well.

    In the Gallowgate corner, Cabaye came to take the corner just before the penalty and was getting a lot of boos and grief.

    Straight away following the the penalty miss he was back in our corner and it turned into some sarcastic claps and cheers – he was finding it hard to refrain from smiling and was doing so for half a dozen strides towards the touchline to take the throw-in and was giggling as a few were giving him thumbs up and clapping, amongst jeers as well.

  • 64 Ibizatoon // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:03 PM

    Yo-Tang (Yep, you’re a duo now)…Lascelles has been a revelation.

    Gives it his all. Can’t ask for anymore.

    Also enjoying Townsends input. Another grafter, but has ability / skill too.

    Still some way to go, but actual genuine signs of improvements in places.

  • 65 Hail Wor Ashley // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:05 PM

    Curly-haired canoodling Captain Craven – OOT!

  • 66 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:08 PM

    Ibiza
    You’ve got to laugh at all those bloggers on here who blithely dismissed Lascelles as not good enough. You do see so much more about a player and what he brings when you’re at the game as opposed to looking through a little window that follows the ball around.

  • 67 Toon Tang // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM

    Yo-Tang on the wheels of steel. We can have a deck each and take it from there.

    I’m sticking Dolly Parton on mine.

  • 68 cyprus // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:12 PM

    Strange experience today, once more, as I am abroad again. Listened to the game, through talk sport, something I haven’t done for years. Exhilarating and nerve racking, as you need to imagine much.

    Dare I believe? I peeked at the table, yes.

    On players, I said get Townsend, pass on Shelvey. Maybe I got that right, despite that others felt the opposite.

  • 69 Ibizatoon // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:12 PM

    Blackley…How sorry are you?

    Argue what point? You hinted that previously, people had objected to the idea that people get a better feel for the vibe of a game. I don’t believe that to be true.

    You still don’t seem to be able to grasp my long standing point that whilst there is merit in what you say, you can’t generalise like you do. It doesn’t stand up. Some match attending fans on here may well agree, but not all. There are still differing opinions. Just like there are within the TV watchers. Heck, sometimes, to really go crazy, some of the TV watchers agree with match attenders, yet the other TV watchers agree with the remaining match attenders. How can this be, when they’ve clearly watched the same game, but in differing formats?

    It’s a crazy old world we live in.

    It should give someone a better insight. I don’t dispute that. Not sure just being there is a good enough credential though, I’m sure you’ve met some right idiots at SJP. How long was Alan here for? He even had a good stint in the stands.

    Not sure what’s hard to understand, but I’m certainly not arguing with you.

    Today is a day of joy. Actually, it’s now tomorrow for me.

    Might go to bed. I get the feeling this could go round and round and round. Then maybe back round again.

  • 70 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:12 PM

    Magscar makes a further good point that your position in the stadium makes a big difference too in how well you can appreciate a game.

  • 71 The Newcastle Armchair // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:13 PM

    Regarding arsenal;

    Why can’t a club want more? Surely that’s what ambition is about – aiming for more and more each year, yet Wenger seems to have stagnated recently, the facts are there.

    The arsenal fans are looking over the road and seeing their rivals pushing for the title with a young, innovative manager as they’ve continuously improved throughout the years (my business friends will know this as kaizen), and they want the exact same. Can you really blame them?

  • 72 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:16 PM

    Ibiza
    Yours is a straw man argument. My point is simply that you get a far better appreciation of the game when you can see the whole of the pitch for the whole of the game. The full crowd as against all the TV viewers put together will have the better appreciation by far. That’s my only point. Anything else that you’re introducing is a red herring

  • 73 Ibizatoon // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:17 PM

    But my main point, that you need to know what you’re talking about in the first place, wasn’t a good point?

    Ahh, I got caught on the first round.

    Blackley…P.S. Do you have a list of the posters, on here, that wrote Lascalles off? You seem to be suggesting they were all non match attending fans? I guess then that most of the match attending fans were saying he needed to be playing?

    I think it was probably a mix of the two. It usually is.

    Can I just say, its ridiculous that I have to type that out and can’t just say “fans”.

    Anyway, my main answer for you was that yes, there are certainly some posters on here that I laugh at.

    Night.

  • 74 gwnufc // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:18 PM

    Cracking result today, shame about the sunderland result. The only player I would consider dropping is cisse for mitro but I suppose if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

    I find dummet gets alot of stick but we always are more assured in defence when he plays.

  • 75 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:21 PM

    Ibiza
    It’s not as if I haven’t watched thousands of games on tv. I attend bags of youth and senior games and there’s simply no comparison. I don’t know why it should be a touchy subject but it is.

  • 76 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:26 PM

    Gmnufc
    Dummett is another one who gets so much unjustified stick. Why? Because he doesn’t fly down the wing? Or because he’s a local lad and hasn’t got a sexy foreign name? It’s as simple as that with some people.

  • 77 jimmysmith // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:28 PM

    Lascelles has been splendid in the last 6 games, but before that his displays were not up to the required standard, and certainly not near good enough to help us avoid the drop.

    I assume he has responded to Benitez’s coaching, and that’s great for him and us, but 6 games ago the the progress he was about to make would have seemed so far fetched I doubt even he or his Dad were imagining it.

  • 78 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:33 PM

    Ibiza
    I don’t have a list. But there were many. I’d wager the matchgoers had more idea and that is what I recall. I know one thing. I liked the look of him very quickly and was amazed at how many posters were writing him off. I’ve continually criticised Colo in recent seasons and I could never see him doing the proper CB job that Lascelles is doing. Yet some fans still love Colo and would have had him walk straight back in.

  • 79 gwnufc // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:34 PM

    Very true if he was called dummicini it would be a different response.

    Same with lascelles, fans on his back first few games!

  • 80 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:35 PM

    Jimmy
    I imagined it. It wasn”t hard to see that he has the makings.

  • 81 jimmysmith // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:38 PM

    Dummett gets a bit of stick because his impact in the final third is minimal, and so many opportunities are created by fullbacks getting forward and behind defences, because it gives you that extra man in those attacks, and that drags defences all over the place.

    He’s very solid defensively, and getting better, but that doesn’t make him a quality EPL left back.

  • 82 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:42 PM

    Ibiza
    If the consensus of the travelling support is that a particular player had a good game and watchung on tv, I’m not overly impressed, whose opinion do you think I trust? Theirs or mine?

  • 83 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:44 PM

    Jimmy
    I disagree with you on so many things. You’re a season ticket holder too, yeah?

  • 84 gwnufc // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:44 PM

    I don’t think we can afford the luxury of an attacking full back in our current predicament.

  • 85 Blackley and Brownlie // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:50 PM

    Janmaat is an attacking full back. His final ball is poor. While most others were acclaiming him as player of the season (including matchgoers, Ibiza), I was saying I could not see it.

  • 86 jimmysmith // Apr 30, 2016 at 11:53 PM

    Sorry pal, but being a season ticket holder doesn’t make you right. I do agree, it’s the best place to be, but not necessarily the best place to judge a side or player tactically. To be honest, every time I’ve been to a game, my focus shifts all over the place, from the pitch, to the crowd, to the dugout, and to whoever I’m at the game with, and I’m far from calm and analytical at any time.

  • 87 Bobbybee // May 1, 2016 at 12:00 AM

    Talk about highjacking something. Same old… we were discussing the differences of where to watch, not denigrating those not there ffs. Where is that even insinuated? You get better views of close ups watching at home and get to see incidents repeated. It’s better viewing in that sense, but as i said, MY choice is to go, even if i could see it live from home. Is that a sin on here? You lot are making shyt up that simply isn’t there. You should know me by now, if i choose to have an opinion, i don’t hide it in a flower bed. I say it as i see it, but 100 % certain is that was not a dig. If you see that as a dig, get rid of the chip on your shoulder, it looks pretty silly.

  • 88 Mister Tuff // May 1, 2016 at 12:16 AM

    Do all those attending the matches describe off the ball activity over the whole pitch or part of it on here – no they don’t. (well very rarely)(hoy another very in there)
    Are they looking with peripheral vision to what is happening elsewhere on the pitch or concentrating diretly on the play/ball watching.
    Some more knowledgable fans will be and a lot will not be.
    If you are knowledgable to that extent not being restricted in vision will aid your experience -without doubt.
    On the opposite side – folk are not watching the game on rented 12″ square black and white tellys -getting a sole picture from one camera at the ground. Multi cameras with multi angles /multi views do allow the home viewer to make at least some off the ball assessments. Certainly nowadays a knowledgable home viewer can get a better assessment of what is happening than the non knowledgeable match attendee.

    Something that cannot be replicated – only by attendance is the atmosphere -the place vibrates.
    With SJP being in the City Centre – anyone there/a mile away can feel the boom of the crowd cheer of when the Toon scores. Just like a sound wave has hit you. That IS an experience.

  • 89 Bobbybee // May 1, 2016 at 12:20 AM

    Better things to do than have my words twisted out of all semblence of shape. Big big chips on shoulders. It’s actually quite funny but not funny ha ha. Two people having a discussion about THEIR preferences, is not an attack on anybody. Search all you will, it ain’t there. Guilty by association. 😉 going ain’t a crime ffs. That’s some serious complex and i can’t help. Professional help might. Give it a go. 😉

  • 90 Mister Tuff // May 1, 2016 at 12:20 AM

    I see another post – yes close ups and repeated plays of incidents give the home viewer an advantage here.

  • 91 Blackley and Brownlie // May 1, 2016 at 12:41 AM

    The close ups and repeats on tv are great. Better than you get at a game by far. But the game is the whole of the park for the whole of the time. The game is not listening on the radio or watching on tv. Being at the game is a completely different and IMO better experience in terms of being able to comment on it. And of course you come home and watch the highlights on tv. Best of both worlds. Jib was watching on TV and gave three examples of Mike Dean making the right decisions in order to prove his point that Dean had a poor game. For some people the method of viewing makes no difference.

  • 92 SPRINGY // May 1, 2016 at 12:42 AM

    morning all
    after watching motd when townsend scored the team huddled….lascelles seemed to be the first to try say listen…get back on clock and finish the game….he might not of been but did look that way and if he did that lad could be a huge player in the future…such a calm head on young shoulders,yes he will make the odd blip and may even cost a goal now and again but has the makings of a cracking player and captain if he keeps progresssing….nice to be able to think and say that about a newcastle player…..darlow mom for me,but lascelles,mbemba,anita,colback decent, townsend better second half then first despit been doubled up on most of the game, but for the people on here who said he has no end product or work rate…i think they might of been looking at a different player… coz theres been not much to complain about since he came on both fronts.

  • 93 carltoon // May 1, 2016 at 12:56 AM

    at the match today, terrible first half, good second half. pleased we’ve got rid of Marvaux and Oberton. Praying we stay up. cancelled my two season tickets and will only renew if Rafa stays. HWTL.

  • 94 Blackley and Brownlie // May 1, 2016 at 12:57 AM

    Tuff
    I can only speak for myself. For example, if a winger is carrying the ball forward, I might be looking at what the defence is doing, whether it’s pushing up or who in particular is advancing to support the attack or taking up the best position in case the tables are turned. Certainly the best managers are very often marshalling their defence whilst their side is attacking. They’re watching their attack develop with their peripheral vision. All of that sort of stuff is every bit a part of the game that’s being played out. When you’re at the match, you can choose exactly where you want to focus your attention at any particular point. But also you can watch all 22 players at once. And the manager.

    If you imagine a game of chess, you want to see the whole of the board not some quadrant which someone else considers is the most interesting. You can comment on who had the best game on radio or the best game on tv. But to comment on who had the best game at the game, you need to be at the game.

  • 95 Blackley and Brownlie // May 1, 2016 at 1:02 AM

    Springy
    Townsend was equally good defensively today. I thought he’d be another Carr dud along with Shelvey but he’s impressed me from the off.

  • 96 Mister Tuff // May 1, 2016 at 1:05 AM

    I was not over the moon about Townsend – but fair play the last few games he has been very good.

    Similar with Lascelles – cannot remember exactly – fisrst or second game I thought he looked a bit of a stiffy/lumbersome -when someone scored against us.
    Last few games – he’s been tremendous – I posed the question earlier on, same as Murphy on MOTD – why has he not being playing sooner.
    Jimmy – I disagree with your assessment (Totally) that it is down to Rafas coaching – I would estimate such coaching might get 5 – 10 % extra – but this bloke has just not suddenly become good.
    So my question is why did Wally Brolly not play him earlier – getting him in earlier/feet under the table so to speak – might have gained us some better defensive displays/points.

    In my opinion further evidence of Wally not being the right man for the job. Despite some folk saying he was.

  • 97 Mister Tuff // May 1, 2016 at 1:07 AM

    correction totally =not totally

  • 98 Graeme // May 1, 2016 at 1:17 AM

    We played a damn good game.
    We won!!!
    Scum Drew – very luckily
    Norwich lost – Oh dear, how sad.

    Role on to their next games, see how they cope with the pressure of HAVING to win, to stay in the race – Because thats what NUFC did!!

  • 99 Mister Tuff // May 1, 2016 at 1:18 AM

    Blackley – I cannot argue that point at all – you are correct in that if you using your peripheral vision to assess everyone at the same time – as the coach would do – clearly being cannot be challenged at all.

    The converse surely is that if you are not looking to make this overall assessment, or cannot do it, or do not want to do it or ball watch/stay tightly focused on the play or someone who does not fully understand the game being at the game will not benefit you at all.

    But again if you are watching the whole field of play – have to or want to make that assessment – you have to be there.
    Knowledge of the game/what you are looking for has to have some input in this though.

  • 100 Mister Tuff // May 1, 2016 at 1:21 AM

    correction
    being there cannot be challenged at all

  • 101 toonincheek // May 1, 2016 at 1:21 AM

    I’ve watched the re-run of the penalty incident a few times.
    I cannot see Sissoko handling the ball.
    The ref may want to give a penalty for his arm being up
    and in the face of the Palace defender, but it was
    clearly given for handball.
    I just can’t see it.
    Am I alone?

  • 102 jimmysmith // May 1, 2016 at 1:31 AM

    Tuff, I think Lascelles has responded to something, coinciding with Rafa’s arrival, so I assume Rafa has been the impetus. He is clearly a better player than I had thought though, certainly he had all that before Rafa arrived, even if I, among others, couldn’t see an EPL centre back there, from the games he’d played.

  • 103 Tom4Nufc // May 1, 2016 at 1:32 AM

    Absolutely toonincheek… I didn’t think it was a hand ball at the time and I still don’t think it is now! I guess the moral of the story is not to have your hands up in the area and then the referee’s don’t have a decision to make!

    Anyway great result, out the bottom three so no complaints here!

  • 104 Mister Tuff // May 1, 2016 at 1:33 AM

    toon – my initial thought was that it was not a hand ball – this afternoon.
    Waited for MOTD but unusually their highlight of it was not very clear at all.
    Big bloke like that should not be jumping with his hands that high anyway – he does not like to use his head anyway.
    So I can only go on my initial thought that it did not look like a deliberate hand ball.

  • 105 Mister Tuff // May 1, 2016 at 1:37 AM

    Jimmy – something has clearly happened he looks so good – he is going to be a fixture for years – and surely can only get better.
    He looks, even though he’s a young lad, that he’ll not take any crap.
    Tubbs ‘ll probably flog him in the summer!

  • 106 toonincheek // May 1, 2016 at 1:42 AM

    Tuff –

    If MOTD didn’t highlight it, it tells me that (the most likely
    explanation is that) the ‘experts’ didn’t think it was a penalty
    but didn’t want to highlight the error.

  • 107 jimmysmith // May 1, 2016 at 1:49 AM

    Tuff, 5-10% makes all the difference. I think we have probably improved even more than that, over the last few games. Of course it’s the players who go out and do the business, and the crowd that lifts them, but these are essentially the same group of players who had been so dire previously. Townsend played on the right and full of running both ways, Anita at fullback, Sissoko centrally, Tiote and Colback in tandem in defensive mid, the pressing and shape, particularly in defence, this is Benitez.

  • 108 Mister Tuff // May 1, 2016 at 2:18 AM

    Toon – the experts were Jermaine Jenas and Danny Murphy. Cannot remember which one gave an opinion- think it was the anti Toon Murphy – that it was a penalty.

    Jimmy – “essentially the same players” highlights another question – why the hell could Wally not get them going/motivated when Rafa clearly has in a very short space of time.
    Further possible evidence that Wally was not the right man.

    That’s my lot for tonight – travelling south over the 39th.

  • 109 U.S Magpie // May 1, 2016 at 2:41 AM

    Ok I am hoping that Newcastle United if we stay up play the Great Escape music at the ground. Looking at things Sunderland play Chelsea and Norwich play Man United on there next games. If they lose those games and we win our last two no mater what they do we stay up simple as that.
    But on the other hand they both play away at the end of the season one at Watford not a good place to go and one at Everton and you know the last game those players are going to give it there all. Here’s one scenario everyone in the bottom three loses all there last games and we stay up. This is some nail biting shit, I could not watch the Penalty kick and the last five minutes of the game was killer. So Toon Army the Great Escape is on, Pele scissor kick into the net and the allies win. Howay the Toon.

  • 110 Thump // May 1, 2016 at 3:21 AM

    @Tuff: Deliberate or not, his arm was in an “unnatural” position when the ball struck it. I think it was a penalty, but the fact that only one of their players (Dann? I honestly don’t remember) appealed should tell you all you need to know about the severity of it.

  • 111 jimmysmith // May 1, 2016 at 3:32 AM

    I’ll make an outlandish prediction. The only players who played today, who will start our first game next season, given we stay up and Benitez stays, will be Mbemba, Townsend, Sissoko, and Widjnaldum. I’ll be wrong, but I doubt far wrong.

  • 112 davis_toons // May 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM

    @77 on ..Lascelles. Agreed.

    Thats the difference what a good manager can gives us.

    Instate of poorly use coaching application.




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