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Newcastle Leadership – There Isn’t Any And That’s The Huge Problem

7:27 pm, Saturday, May 7th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 238 Comments

If Newcastle are finally relegated on Wednesday night, if Sunderland beat Everton at home, then a well-run club would immediately communicate with their fans as a first priority.

A good club would show initiative and start to put plans together that would begin to ensure we could be promoted immediately next May back to the Premier League.

A good club would do that – so that definitely rules out Newcastle with the incompetents who are now running the club.

It’s been a lack of leadership and competence from the top of the club that has caused us to be relegated – assuming we are – and they had ample warning last season when we only just avoided relegation after losing nine of the last eleven games.

lee charnley and mike ashley

Two of the people running Newcastle into the ground

Spending money like it was going out of style while not bringing in players to strengthen the weaknesses in the side has simply been money wasted.

And there’s no doubt the likes of Graham Carr and Lee Charnley wasted the club’s money this season.

Not only that, but they have ensured we will lose at least £100M in Premier League money next May – how’s that for total and complete failure in their respective jobs?

So what exactly will happen on Wednesday night if we are relegated?

In a word – nothing.

If Lee Charnley does issue a communication and it’s like his other ones –  it will be more of the self-serving nonsense that doesn’t say anything.

Charnley has neither the experience, the skill nor the temperament to be a top executive of any organization.

And owner Mike Ashley has to take the ultimate responsibility (also known as total blame) for appointing him and then  leaving him in place as he and his less than stellar appointment – Steve McClaren –  took us down for the second time in seven years.

Enough is enough and how much longer is Mike Ashley going to keep destroying Newcastle United?

Why does he own Newcastle United other than to use the club as a commercial advertising vehicle for his company?

And we hate to even bring up the fact that people will now have to be laid off at the club – Aston Villa announced 500 non-playing staff would lose their jobs because of cost-cutting caused by relegation.

The only saving grace for Mike Ashley – sign up Rafa Benitez on a long term deal and get him to stay on Tyneside – but that has to be a long shot now.

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238 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 7:29 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 7:28 PM

    Cheers, I vaguely remember it from their show and my computer game, but I was pretty young at the time and wasn’t sure if they were just repeating someone else’s quote.

    It isn’t over, there is still a glimmer of hope, however faint. Unfortunately we picked appoints where they weren’t expected and dropped them when they were needed.

    Here’s hoping, but the odds ill have lengthened considerably. If Everton can actually put it past the players and Martinez split, and get a result against Sunderland, I’d probably have us back as slight favourites.

  • 2 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 7:32 PM

    Oops to late with my last post.

    If in the highly unlikely event that we do go down and Rafa goes I want Thomas Tuchel as our next manager and as someone said earlier break the bank to get him.

  • 3 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 7:34 PM

    Even better if he brought some of his current players with him..

  • 4 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 7:35 PM

    leicester 33 goal attempts today….not sure but think we either had 8….might of been fifteen with 8 on target,still thats a hell of a difference!

  • 5 JAMSHA // May 7, 2016 at 7:35 PM

    WE NEED A NEW OWNER & RAFA With FULL CONTROLL, Time For A Protest At Our Nxt Game, B4 the season Starts We Have To Find A New Owner, Ashley Is Killing Our Club

  • 6 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 7:35 PM

    Ha, the time for that move was when Carver was given the interim role. Not a hope now. At least not whilst he is still in a job at Dortmund, and I don’t see that changing any tie soon.

  • 7 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 7:36 PM

    I don’t remember 8 on target…. Gini from Mitro’s lay off was our second on and that was with 20 to go I think.

  • 8 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 7:37 PM

    Jail i dont see todays result as a surprise amd thats why i have been pessimistic since fat sam arrived. And said this the day he arrived. I thought sunderland would beat chelsea and had said villa cud be a banana skin. Rafa has to take some blame for another poot and defensive first half. This is his achilles and he showed it in spades against sunderland at home, our six pointer. Its a dreadful day but i wud rather go down this way than some awful ref decision giving the makems a last minute winner to relegate us. Im gutted. Bobby there is nowt wrong with pessimism if its well founded. we need to find out rafa’s intentions fast and plan accordingly.

  • 9 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 7:37 PM

    Rafa has a three year deal, with an opt out clause. It’s down to him if he takes that clause, so it’s too soon to be pushing him out the door. We all know who’s to blame so i won’t bother repeating it. It’s what happens next that really matters. Did i really read a few pages back that someone won’t be supporting us next season? Really? You won’t be missed, i guarantee that much. We’re not even officially relegated yet ffs.

  • 10 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 7:37 PM

    has bayern got a new coach when guardiola leaves?….tuchel will probably end up there if they have’nt.

  • 11 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 7:38 PM


    Yeah I know it’s a pie in the sky dream but then again no one expected Rafa to join us.

  • 12 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 7:40 PM

    it might of been 8 shots with 3 on target,cant be sure just tbh.

  • 13 jimiley // May 7, 2016 at 7:41 PM

    I do not mind dropping another division if Mashers will kindly go. I will wait and stay away as long as it takes. It is the great irony of the eternal losers that they throw away great opportunities. After Rafa will come Pulis. hahahahah. Anybody thinks he will stay is a total fool

  • 14 jane // May 7, 2016 at 7:41 PM

    well done Leicester they deserve it.

  • 15 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 7:42 PM

    I can’t remember all of the managers we’ve had since I started watching in the mid fifties but I’ve always been optimistic they would be Toon messiah.

    Still waiting!! 🙁

  • 16 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 7:44 PM

    Although KK came close.

  • 17 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 7:49 PM

    Ashley will sell up when he finds a buyer and i don’t see a queue. Anyone who thinks he’ll give the club away is a bigger fool. Looks like we’re stuck with him until a buyer comes forward. He needs to pull out all the stops to keep Rafa and see where that takes us.

  • 18 jimiley // May 7, 2016 at 7:49 PM

    The other irony of following the Toon is that the crowd does not know what it wants. We have not won anything for so long that we are desperate for change. But it is always change for the worse. Players we have sold who are much better than the current shower. Managers we get rid of because they are not good enough. Big Sam and the whole ground chanted at him “You do not know what you are doing!!!” when we were mid table. Not good enough for our fans who then stayed silent for an eternity whilst the following wielded their magic. And we replaced him with Carver and Pardew and McClaren. Big Sam will keep the scum up at our expense. He must be feeling really smug. Because he knows a whole lot more that our stupid fans. Bring on Pulis. More crap. Happy viewings. The supporters bring it on themselves.

  • 19 welshgeordie9 // May 7, 2016 at 7:50 PM

    Well considering I’m not from Newcastle, i will be supporting the team whether we stay up or not.

  • 20 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 7:51 PM

    Keep dreaming. It is likely to be all we have, and who am I to stifle that! What an appointment it would be though!!

    That sound more likely.

    I must have missed someone saying that, I’ll not step in if you choose to have a pop at someone who decides not to support if we get relegated!

    On the three year contract and the clause; I seem to remember reading/hearing somewhere that it worked both ways. That if we wanted to opt out of it we could, and if he wanted to, he could. Now, in no way am I suggesting the club will or should, but we have a high wage bill (although one of that will depart, bringing cash in) will the club/Ashley be happy sanctioning the wage Rafa is on whilst in the Championship?

    How much do we think/know his annual deal is? It was a million for 10 games plus £2million bonus as far as I recall – could have those figures the wrong way round, or just wrong – so based on that we are probably talking £3.5million a year, putting him around 12th in the world in highest paid managers (according to this site based on a France Football study).

    Risk is obviously minimal to the reward, but then that could have been said many times under Ashley. I’m yet to be as convinced he has changed as some are.

  • 21 mearlam // May 7, 2016 at 7:51 PM

    They seem very arrogant people who think they know better than the people who have been through it all for decades.

    Experience is the key to being good at anything you do, what do we have? a owner who knows nothing, a chairman who knows nothing.

    We now have a manager who has experience, he has managed to make those useless excuses for footballers win a few games.


  • 22 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 7:52 PM

    You may also be supporting my academy in the near future.

  • 23 nufcursed // May 7, 2016 at 7:53 PM

    finally justice!
    this below mediocre team doesn’t deserve to stay up..
    even a world class manager can’t make these players perform!

    not good enough:


    we just don’t have the quality for the PL..

    we need MASSIVE changes and about 15 new players to get promotion in the next season..
    sunderland deserve to stay up more than us how painful that sounds!

  • 24 manxpie // May 7, 2016 at 7:53 PM

    Thinking about it i blame wwsbrd he jinxed us today no doubt

  • 25 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 7:55 PM

    Jimily thats partly wjy the media laugh at nufc at times. Sam wasmt considered good enough by us because we dont like his style. Remarkably he is exactly what ashley wants. Safety but with limited spending. And he sacked him! Ashley cant even make decisions that wud suit him!

  • 26 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 7:55 PM

    I agree with that. It was one of the main flaws I saw with the protests/boycotts/Ashley out campaign. Without a buyer it is all pie in the sky. Villa have been on the market for nearly 2 years now. Clubs have sold stakes, but there haven’t been many (any?) major takeovers in the last year or so.

    Any campaign to remove him should have also put focus on promoting the club. He will go when he goes, who knows how long that will take, in the meantime, I hope he learns and changes.

  • 27 toon kk // May 7, 2016 at 7:56 PM

    Although MA is the controller, his biggest mistake as usual is his lack of football knowledge and putting people in charge also with absolutely no idea, millions wasted and it will cost us many more.
    Real shame.

  • 28 jimiley // May 7, 2016 at 7:56 PM

    We should hope the gate drops to 20K next season and Mashers decides to pull up sticks. Large crowds mean he will stay. But we are that stupid to keep turning up . I have seen more brains on a plate of mince than the whole crowd at SJP.

  • 29 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 7:57 PM

    When Ashley sacked, and subsequently burnt his bridges with Allardyce, he was a very different owner. I think he would take Allardyce back in a heart beat, but Allardyce wouldn’t have him, and the fans wouldn’t want Allardyce.

  • 30 Jail for Ashley // May 7, 2016 at 7:58 PM

    I am absolutely devastated.
    I like Ed’s blog, in fact love it.
    But he wholeheartedly supported the regime last year. How the fcuk can he can so openely it criticise now. If we had this support against meaningful boycotts last year, maybe McCardew wouldnt be here!

  • 31 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 7:58 PM

    This could only be worse if sunderland sent us down by beating us in the last game at st james. And eric gates scored! The little shlit!

  • 32 welshgeordie9 // May 7, 2016 at 7:59 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie

    Like i said next season i will still support the team, so frustrating when everything is in place, awesome fans and stadium, just a owner and manager, if we do go down then I hope Benitez will stay if he do then we will be back in the premier league the following season, I’ve just got a feeling we are not going to do it this season.

  • 33 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 7:59 PM

    Yes, that must be it. It’s all our fault. The fans are to blame. Muppet.

  • 34 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 8:00 PM

    I wasn’t questioning that part of your post. I’m sure you will.

  • 35 welshgeordie9 // May 7, 2016 at 8:01 PM

    After today’s performance by Sunderland that’s going to give them so much confidence when they play Everton, they have been shocking.

  • 36 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 8:02 PM

    Lest we forget and it’s a small comfort we are unbeaten for five (or is it six) games now.

    Under McCarvew we’d probably have been down weeks ago.

  • 37 manxpie // May 7, 2016 at 8:02 PM

    Jail ffs it has nothing to do with the managers or at most about 5%
    Why can’t you see that especially after today

  • 38 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 8:02 PM

    I wasn’t questioning that part of your post. I’m sure you will.

    Why would Ashley sell a club when the value of it in the Championship will barely match his loan repayment. The fans going is hardly the cause of our demise, it’s ludicrous to even suggest that. Gate receipts are still decent, but nothing compared to the amount sky can pay because people/companies pay for their sky subscriptions.

  • 39 welshgeordie9 // May 7, 2016 at 8:03 PM

    Lilongwe Geordie

    I know that, just wanted to add to it

  • 40 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 8:05 PM

    Okay, just making sure you didn’t think I was just making a weird comment.

    Also, didn’t mean to post it twice, my internet said it crashed, so I assumed it hadn’t gone through. Malawi internet isn’t the greatest….

  • 41 welshgeordie9 // May 7, 2016 at 8:07 PM

    Can’t wait to see what the True Geordie got to say on his video, I’m sure there’s going to be more swearing on it than normal.

  • 42 kimbo // May 7, 2016 at 8:08 PM

    We have bought pure shite over the years and this year have wasted 80+million.I predicted 34 points at the beginning of season but I am gutted to be right. Charnley,Carr and Ashley stand in the centre circle for the last Premier league game and take your applause. Sissoko,Gini you are both spineless useless and I hope are booed everytime you touch the ball for your last game at St James Park. Please no more of this Ashley.

  • 43 reilly // May 7, 2016 at 8:08 PM

    i will always be a newcastle fan no matter (its in my DNA) what league we are in.

  • 44 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 8:08 PM

    Supporting your team has nothing to do with what league you’re in, or we wouldn’t have a 92 team pyramid. Fortunately not all of us are that shallow and regardless of what league we’re in – and we ain’t down yet – there’ll be a lot more than 20k there next season. For so many of us, ‘Newcastle till i die’ means exactly that, not ‘Newcastle whilst we’re winning’.

  • 45 Steel Dust // May 7, 2016 at 8:09 PM

    Will be a thrash in the championship. Who’d be surprised to see us lower mid table by October?

  • 46 Belfast // May 7, 2016 at 8:09 PM

    You do know that break clause exists for both parties ? Not just Benitez.

    The likelihood of Ashley paying Benitez 4 million a year or whatever it is in the championship is very slim.

    There’s also the fact that if Rafa does stay he’ll be looking investment from Ashley for a complete revamp, and again that’s very unlikely.

    Cast your mind back to the last time. I think we sold anybody that we could flog and signed Leon Best in January.

    We also made the number two manager who was probably on peanuts.

  • 47 BandB // May 7, 2016 at 8:10 PM


    Ashley may not sell.
    But he may call in his loan while the club has assets to call it in against.
    It won’t be pretty, but these things never are.
    After all, SD is paying for the advertising now, and that was the deal, quid pro quo.

  • 48 nufcursed // May 7, 2016 at 8:11 PM

    we should keep or try to keep the following:


    all the others can fk off cause they don’t care!
    sissoko is the symbol of this team! such a poor player who thinks he’s great..
    cannot believe france think he’s good enough to go to the euros!
    wijnaldum, cissé and sissoko are the most disinterested players i’ve ever seen in this shirt

  • 49 Belfast // May 7, 2016 at 8:14 PM

    So in a nut shell – if yer expecting a transfer war chest, anybody decent not to be for sale and one of the highest paid managers in Europe to be in charge…..

    You’ll probably be disappointed lol

  • 50 nufcursed // May 7, 2016 at 8:15 PM

    we need to buy young british players who are desperate to prove themselves! like lascelles

  • 51 reilly // May 7, 2016 at 8:15 PM

    belfast totaly agree.there will be a fire sale at the club in the summer,and the new manager will be from with in put money on cathco being manager.

  • 52 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 8:16 PM

    I think if Ashley calls in his loan and sells assets to recoup the money then a sale is on the cards. Not sure what fans think is preferable, a shell of a club with new owners, or the same bloke who has continually demonstrated incompetence throughout his tenure. Rock….Hard Place

    I asked that earlier, I thought I remember seeing it somewhere. Last time we went down Shearer allegedly turned the job down because he demanded a certain amount available for transfers. Granted, transfer money is likely to be higher than Rafa’s wages, but I’m sure Rafa will want to / need to spend as well. Do people trust Ashley to give Rafa free reign? If they do, then it is nothing more than hope and a prayer a nothing in ashley’s past suggest he is remotely likely to do that.

  • 53 manxpie // May 7, 2016 at 8:17 PM

    Belfast don’t be silly believe…..
    The stars are aligning don’t ya know

  • 54 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 8:17 PM

    I’ll also wait till I see both sets of accounts before believing that we are getting paid a fair and proper rate.

  • 55 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 8:17 PM

    Is Mcardew still here like? They left a while ago. Nobody is going to argue that massive mistakes have been made and that Ashley is to blame for most of them, but he’ll go when he finds a buyer and not a second sooner. No amount of boycotts will change that.

  • 56 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 8:18 PM

    But what a hat trick that Leon Best scored against West Ham!

  • 57 Laurent Robert 32 // May 7, 2016 at 8:18 PM

    Well said BandB, on the last thread.

    It’s not over until it’s over. Everton are a funny side. They are likely to beat you 3-0 or lose 3-0.

    Where there is hope, there is hope…

  • 58 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 8:19 PM

    if the unwashed win on wed, the club should have a meeting and sort out whats happening the next day…players in,players out,rafa staying or going,charnley and carr staying or going then make an announcement to let the fans know what the hell is the plan for the future.

  • 59 BandB // May 7, 2016 at 8:20 PM


    I think we have to see him as a businessman and one who sees all businesses as fundamentally the same.
    He transferred assets (in the form of a warehouse full of stock) from USC straight to SD.
    But he didn’t try to sell USC.
    He put it into administration.

  • 60 BandB // May 7, 2016 at 8:21 PM

    There is no silver lining to going down.

  • 61 reilly // May 7, 2016 at 8:22 PM

    springy.that will never happen it will take most of the summer to sort this mess out.
    we will start next season playing catch up to the other teams that have there house in order.

  • 62 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 8:23 PM

    unfortunately,i think your right tbh….never proactive.

  • 63 manxpie // May 7, 2016 at 8:25 PM

    Springy the chances are we’ll find out in may just before our 1st game that’s Wat this club does

  • 64 Blackley and Brownlie // May 7, 2016 at 8:26 PM

    Let’s look on the bright side … a chance to purge the club of the shite management and the shite players. Maybe even the shite owner will go. It’s now time for optimism and a positive outlook. It’s imperative the Board is sacked.

  • 65 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 8:27 PM

    He would struggle to transfer NUFC’s saleable assets to SD though. I think the stadium structure, and training facilities could be transferred. I think it is probably a highly complex process, and one that having had a few drinks tonight, I’m not really in a position to think or comment on it.

    Administration is a possibility, I do think a fairly unlikely one, but can’t really rule anything out.

    Definitely no silver lining. Not that I can see at least.

  • 66 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 8:30 PM

    This might cheer up any pagans on here, see if you can spot my missus.

    if this don’t take you there type wolfshager Hexenbrut you tube

  • 67 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 8:30 PM

    B&B, the boards position is untenable now. 80m thrown away and i can’t see Ashley tollerating that sort of wastage.

  • 68 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 8:30 PM

    In fairness the stadium structure alone probably covers his costs. Not sure what the lease on the land says about that sort of thing though.

  • 69 Ron Knee // May 7, 2016 at 8:30 PM


    I fear you’re right – unless, of course, Charnley is lining up another failed Championship manager!

  • 70 BandB // May 7, 2016 at 8:30 PM


    Assets can be recovered by sale for cash, if you are not selling a going concern.
    I’m off to have drink too.
    Bottoms (and chins) up!

  • 71 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 8:32 PM

    Enjoy. I think all NUFC fans deserve one tonight!

  • 72 Blackley and Brownlie // May 7, 2016 at 8:34 PM

    I can’t see how Ashley can call in his loan without crippling the club. I’m not sure the club’s assets are sufficient; the players aren’t worth much. Which bank would offer finance? But at least the club will be getting paid for advertising, eh? That’s the main thing. What’s the market rate in the Championship?

  • 73 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 8:37 PM

    I don’t think it is in anyones interests to recall the loan if we go down. Still nor was appointing the football board and yet it happened with disastrous consequences.

  • 74 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 8:38 PM

    Lil, spare a thought for those of us who don’t drink. 😉 I could get stoned i suppose – for medicinal purposes i hasten to add! 😉 wtf, nowt will cheer me up unless everton do the unlikely. Enjoy your drinks. Like you say, well deserved.

  • 75 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 8:39 PM

    Bobby i’ll have to get over for a match assuming we go down. The thought of a free bed in london at mates, a trip to somewhere close like say ipswich. Pints with geordies in a packed pub, a good singsong. All will be well with the world. I’ll buy u a pint of some of that piss you english call neer. Id rather beat ipswich than lose to liverpool. Howay the lads.

  • 76 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 8:41 PM

    Ah well if I’m talking to myself I might as well go have one as well..

  • 77 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 8:41 PM

    I thought you were ignoring me! Initially I had a pre match drink celebrating what hopefully will be a great signing for my academy, and incredible opportunity for this boy to gt a good education and make something of himself. Then Matic’s half time goal had me in a good mood, thinking we would improve like we had in previous weeks in the second half. All went wrong from there….

    Can’t have too much to drink though, have cricket early in the morning and an academy match in the afternoon!

  • 78 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 8:42 PM

    But if any one can be bothered it’s the one in Harz to click on.

  • 79 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 8:43 PM

    is lascelles and mbemba staying if we are relegated?

  • 80 Thump // May 7, 2016 at 8:43 PM

    @bobbybee: “I could get stoned i suppose – for medicinal purposes i hasten to add!”

    You seem to be implying there could be any other reason to get stoned as a Newcastle supporter.!

  • 81 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 8:44 PM

    As for the Everton game, I think Martinez is a terrible manager, and worse than Pardew (is thought of on here, just so I don’t start anything!), when it comes to falsifying games and making excuses.

    I will be at my usual spot in the bar willing Everton to victory though. Sadly, I was there today for the last 70minutes and it didn’t work. Still, there is always a glimmer, and as BandB said earlier, stranger things have happened!

  • 82 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 8:45 PM

    the witch at the front with the git big wart on the hooter!lol

  • 83 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 8:46 PM

    Like Ashley said, we’re stuck with each other for the time being. If he gets a decent offer, he’ll sell at the drop of a hat, but that’s even less likely in the Championship and nobody has made that offer in the PL. Nobody ever said supporting the Toon was going to be easy. Those my age have been here plenty of times in the past after all. We pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down and it all repeats itself. It’s all a strange masochistic, love affair we’ll never understand. 😉

  • 84 lesh // May 7, 2016 at 8:47 PM


    Thomas Tuchel? We’ve more chance of getting Thomas the Tank Engine if Rafa goes.

  • 85 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 8:48 PM

    unless theres a billionaire fan out who is sick of of seeing the way this club is,i cant see it happening…he’ll not take a knock down price just to move on

  • 86 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 8:49 PM

    I can’t see teams coming in for them that they would go to. I don’t think Mbemba has been particularly impressive, extenuating circumstances with the state of the club, but I doubt he will be away. Same with Mitro. I think Janmaat, Krul, Sissoko, Colo will be out of the door (of those still with contracts).

    Would I lament any of them leaving? Not really, if we stayed up I’d be keen to see Gini after having a season under his belt, the others I think are easily replaced with better fits for the team.

    Perez could be another, but I don’t think he has done much since the end of 2014 to warrant the Barca journalist tripe or any sort of big move. He would be on the bench at a big club, and he seems grounded enough to know he needs to continue his development.

    Having said all that, a lot could depend on who is the manager.

  • 87 cyprus // May 7, 2016 at 8:51 PM

    Terrible performance. Truth is on effect you didn’t lift my team, we’ve played as well or as poorly under Steve. Your stats compare to JFK’s. Ed put up that table with his win percentage. Although in your defence you didn’t have the time.
    Carr must be the biggest to blame. So much money wasted. Expensive useless players. And when we had gold, like HBA, we didn’t know it.
    Damn you NUFC for giving me hope. Anyway, let’s do a Hughton next year.

  • 88 cyprus // May 7, 2016 at 8:51 PM


  • 89 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 8:54 PM

    Lil, you’re difficult to ignore marra! 😉
    Thump, that’s just to stop the hollier than thou lot having a dig matey. 😉 Dunno why i bother like, f@ck all to do with any of them what i do, but you know what some are like on here. F@ck it, pass that bifter! 😉

  • 90 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 8:55 PM


    My missus wasn’t amused, I.m sleeping in the shed again tonight.

  • 91 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 8:58 PM

    When I first started going to games (I was 4) we finished 3 points above the relegation zone in the top flight. I haven’t had some of the lows many have had, but I haven’t had some of the highs either.

    Still, relegation is never good, it doesn’t mean turning your back on it – although it makes it far harder for me to watch out here. I am looking forward to the Friday nights, hopefully against my fellow Brits out here support such as Reading, Villa, Bristol City, Fulham etc.

    Ashley will do what he does regardless (although that doesn’t mean we have to make it easy for him and sit back and take it), the NUFC fans will go to games or won’t, but the support and love for the club will still be with most fans.

    For what its worth I’d expect attendances to drop to low 40’s. We will lose corporate tickets who need Prem football, and some of those who go that are there for Prem football more than NUFC.

  • 92 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 8:58 PM


    Well we do have The Big Fat Controller, so Thomas could be a catch.

  • 93 AmericanMagpie // May 7, 2016 at 9:00 PM


    That is all.

  • 94 GeordieTwo // May 7, 2016 at 9:01 PM

    A difficult day for all of us. I didn’t think the team had the same fighting spirit as they did for the last few weeks. Very strange given the need for the points. Just the idea of having to start Cisse was enough to put me off. The first half was a joke. Just terrible from both sides. This will take a huge struggle now and I can’t say I see a solution other than if Rafa stays.

  • 95 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 9:03 PM

    Rafa ain’t responsible for taking us down, the damage was done before his name was even mentioned. We would’ve been down weeks ago if he hadn’t turned up. Given what he had to work with he’s performed a minor miracle. Even today we dominated the second half and had plenty chances to win it. He can’t be blamed for the players missing chances. Did villa have a shot on target? He set us up right and once again the players let us down.

  • 96 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 9:03 PM

    I’ve seen second tier football so many times in my 60 odd years as a supporter it’s not such a bitter pill anymore, more of an expectation.

    I expect I’ll end up the same as that very elderly lady on TV today who was so happy with Leicesters success, or is that a pipe dream as well.

  • 97 lochinvar // May 7, 2016 at 9:04 PM

    Have a read ….good story

  • 98 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 9:05 PM


    For me it was seeing Taylor in the squad, that gave me a sense of unease.

  • 99 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 9:07 PM


    No, if you wont look at my links then I shan’t look at yours, so there.

  • 100 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 9:07 PM

    whooops….but was that what u were after???…was it a baldrick”cunning plan”!lol

  • 101 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 9:08 PM

    Geordie Two,
    It is simple. Today wasn’t glamorous enough. Today wasn’t a shop window sort of day.

    Darlow probably deserves a mention. He wasn’t given a chance on here when Elliot got injured, we were losing every game 3 or 4 nil immediately. The lad has come in and done very well. Made some magnificent saves, and has looked assured in most of what he does.

    With Darlow, Elliot, Krul (likely to head off imo) and 3 England youth internationals coming through our goalkeeping future looks pretty bright. Amazing how strong our goalkeeping options have been over the last 10/15 years.

  • 102 lochinvar // May 7, 2016 at 9:11 PM


    Hope you have a comfortable night in the shed – is there a bar ?
    If you’ve installed TV switch off as MOD isn’t worth watching

  • 103 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 9:11 PM

    Actually I have, what a fascinating story, wonder if Barca still remember him.

  • 104 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 9:13 PM

    i just think for there age and the way they have impressed they maybe snapped up….mbemba was pretty steady till his injury….al be honest perez is a puzzler,not quick enough as a winger,not really strong enough as a striker,and loses the ball to much to be a number ten??

  • 105 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 9:14 PM

    I did have MOTD set to record but I’ve cancelled it, I’d rather watch re-runs of cr*p on Dave.

  • 106 GeordieTwo // May 7, 2016 at 9:14 PM

    Absolutely spot on about the goal keeping Lilongwe mate. But that is about the only bright spot. Many will leave, although some of them should be gotten rid of anyway. But lower down the reserves have been poor, as have the youth teams. No development at all after all the turnover of the last few seasons. Beardsley has been a failure. We have question marks everywhere in the club. Just shocking the shambles it appears to be. I like both Darlow and Elliot as keepers. Tim should go. This would be his second relegation with us. What’s the point for him?

  • 107 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 9:14 PM

    Not sure I agree he set us up right. You said yourself earlier in the week you would get at them. You wanted pace to force them back, I’m not convinced by Aarons at this level, but then neither am I by Gini yet, or Sissoko. I’d probably also have started Mitro, either with or instead of Cisse. Changing Mtiro for Cisse gave the defenders a different challenge but still left our centre forward isolated and outnumbered at times.

    Colback and Tiote was questionable in a must win game, but away from home, first and foremost Rafa will have wanted us to be solid, so I can understand that.

    At least he has removed Sissoko from the left wing, although Gini out there gives us the same problems. Wouldn’t it be great to have a left footed winger who could go outside his man and get a ball in, rather than cutting back inside, narrowing play (particularly with Dummet at full back) and making us more predictable.

    Still, I think I questioned Rafa’s selection in a game we won or drew unexpectedly, so…..

  • 108 GeordieTwo // May 7, 2016 at 9:15 PM

    Aye Essex Geordie. Seeing Saylor on the bench is enough to make anyone nervous and depressed. Should have been gone years ago. And there are several others that should join him.

  • 109 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 9:17 PM


    I’m trying hard not to let her see your comment, she might not banish me to the shed if she did.

  • 110 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 9:18 PM

    Lil, highs? Can’t remember many of them like. 😉 Crowds might drop to the low 40k’s, but only until we might win the league – as happened last time down. I can but speak for myself and i’ll be there regardless. This has nothing to do with backing Ashley – god forbid – and everything to do with loving football and in particular loving Newcastle. I well recall 10k crowds and a stadium not fit for purpose in the really dark days. These are nothing like that bad in the cold light of day. Fans will do as they please, i can’t change that, but there are plenty more like me. Anyway, we ain’t down yet. Not ready to throw the towel in just yet. The toon army will be in good voice next season – regardless.

  • 111 GeordieTwo // May 7, 2016 at 9:18 PM

    When you don’t build a balanced squad you are asking for disaster and that’s what we got. The idea that the only players worth buying are foreign and under 25 (until the panic buying of January) is laughable. We must have brought in over 20 midfielders in the last 4 or 5 seasons. But how many decent CB’s did we sign? One (Mbemba)? And how many experienced strikers? None since Cisse and Ba and Remy on loan. Ludicrous mentality that has to be paid for now.

  • 112 stuart no9 // May 7, 2016 at 9:20 PM

    we need to let our men in charge kmow exactly what we think of them on saturday , why not ? what differance is it going to make ,? seasons f”’ked now , these bastards should get the full force of of 500000 people telling them to look around the stadium to see what they have done . we have to suffer why cant these parasites? they make my piss boil the f”’ing cretins . let the ba”’rds know they are shit in newcastle upon tyne .

  • 113 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 9:21 PM

    Think I’ll visit my mate Conan and kill a few things, night make me feel better.

  • 114 stuart no9 // May 7, 2016 at 9:22 PM

    ** sunday rather

  • 115 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 9:23 PM

    is that tranferance of blame to me,or are you more frightened of what she’ll do to you!lol

  • 116 Ron Knee // May 7, 2016 at 9:23 PM


    Steady on! They bought the geriatric Doumbia.

  • 117 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 9:24 PM

    I think Mbemba has cost us quite a few goals this season. It isn’t a major issue as he is young (maybe) and will learn. The errors he was making were compounded by Janmaat’s poor season, and the lack of any authoritative figure in the back line who is organising, talking and ensuring players concentrate. I think we will likely have hime with us a year or two more, and if he develops mentally to match his physical attributes he will be off unless we have drastically improved.

    Lascelles I just can’t see leaving. I know he left Forest to join a Prem club, but I think he is growing in maturity here, and wouldn’t risk having another season as a bit part elsewhere.

    Perez was a winger/attacking mid when we signed him. He isn’t a striker, but needs must last season. This is very left field, and would take a lot of work, but I’dlike to see him work a lot on his defensive work and distribution. If he can improve his range of passing, his defensive intelligence I think he could be quite an effective centre mid alongside a Matic/Tiote like player. I can’t see that sort of move happening soon, but I think it is almost certain when he is older.

    As for now, he is a bit like Gini, clearly has abilities, but doesn’t really fit in anywhere in the side, and possibly not in this league. I wouldn’t want him to go, particularly if e went down. I think we have the makings of a great forward line with Aarons, Arma, Perez and Mitro. Not sort age of anything there.

    I think McClaren played him centre mid a few times pre season. He always got praise for his performances from what I read/heard.

  • 118 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 9:25 PM


    You’ve seen the video, you have no idea what she is capable of, ………….croak.

  • 119 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 9:25 PM

    Lil, that was my idea, to attack, but so far he hasn’t done that. I wasn’t at all surprised by how he set us up, just not my way. So far, his set up worked. I don’t think entertainment was his top priority, just making us hard to beat and nicking a goal. Given the chances we missed, his way should have brought a result today. Far from his fault we can’t score. I’m not sure Villa had a shot on target did they? I can question his selections, but had everyone done their job, we would be sitting a lot happier tonight.

  • 120 GeordieTwo // May 7, 2016 at 9:26 PM

    I think Marveaux and Obertan have been released from their contracts so neither of them will be around. Saivet might stay I suppose and I don’t know what they’ll do with Gouffy. Shelvey might be around also. Hard to say about Mitro. He was exactly brilliant for us. Sissoko and Wijnaldum out the door for certain. Townsend will be sought after. Krul will probably go. Janmaat will leave I would think. I hope we can hang on to Mbemba and Lascelles. De Jong will probably try to leave to save his career. Hard to say what will happen with Tiote. Lots of huge question marks.

  • 121 Essex Geordie Bill // May 7, 2016 at 9:26 PM

    Now I have to find a Princess, in Essex!!

  • 122 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 9:29 PM

    i wonder if its crossed rafas mind,if relegated and colo,sissoko and others leave would lascelles be in his thoughts to be captain,young,decent player,not frightened to give a bollicking and would be an incentive for him to stay and then build a good young squad around him as part of the spine of the squad.

  • 123 GeordieTwo // May 7, 2016 at 9:29 PM

    The geriatric Doumbia on loan. Staggering brilliance from Charnley and Carr as it turned out. He’s only 29 Ron mate but what a disaster that was. At least Riviere could run a bit and try to shoot (usually while falling down). Pathetic.

  • 124 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 9:30 PM

    good luckk with that!!

  • 125 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 9:33 PM

    Bobby, in fairness I wasn’t there but I will comment anyway. I totally agree with Lil and voiced this pre game. Why have two holding midfielders to Villa in a game we had to win. Why did Rafa ever put Sissoko on left – he was terrible there. Why not play 442 and get two wtrikers on the case instead of one useless one? I like Rafa and hope he stays but I certainly aint fawning over some of his work just because of who he is. It was criminal that we were so defensive at home to Sunderland in the 6 pointer. That was our chance and we only equalized with 6 mins to go, At home. To the Makems.

  • 126 Graeme // May 7, 2016 at 9:33 PM

    Essex – try an Austin Princess mate – more likely to be genuine lol

  • 127 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 9:34 PM

    de jong may benefit from a season a lower level as long as he’s playing to get his confidence,strengthen up and sharpen his game….just a thought like

  • 128 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 9:34 PM

    Benitez is a defensive manager, some in Liverpool like to over look that he wasn’t hugely popular until the Champions League win because he was defensive. It lost him the crowd (and games) at Real too.

    I think there is a time for defensive, containment football. As someone who has played a defensive role most of my footballing life, I’m very much a pragmatist and against pushing on just for the sake of pushing on – probably why I rate Martinez so low. I do think though, with just two games left, and realistically needing at least 4 points (abased on the assumption Sunderland would have lost today) then we should have been more offensive.

    Colback missed a great chance, Cisse was Cisse. Mitro missed a good headed chance, angled a cracking header wide of the far post, and for the chance where he tried to lift it over, watch it again and just look at the spin on the bounce. Initially I thought he had missed a sitter, but the ball changes direction completely and in fairness he did well to adjust and get the chance away. Other than those 5 it was pretty limited.

  • 129 GeordieTwo // May 7, 2016 at 9:39 PM

    I can’t see De Jong staying to find out springy mate. He’ll be gone back to the Netherlands like his brother. It’s going to take some much better player acquisition skills to get us back up than we have shown for the last 3 seasons at least. We just can’t afford to leave it to Carr and Charnley. Out they go or we’re lost at sea.

  • 130 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 9:39 PM

    it always looks like theres never anyone in scoring positions when playing one up front….always preferred two strikers,would hope rafa adopts that approach,i dare say now leicester have won the league,442 will be the new shape of choice for teams

  • 131 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 9:39 PM

    Stuart, with you that. Though 500k might be too much to ask for. 😉 Ashley already knows what we think of him, but charnley and carr have somehow escaped abuse. I think though we need to temper it and concentrate on getting Rafa on board. So, abuse for carr, followed by love for Rafa. Then abuse for charnley, followed by love for Rafa. Ashley is unlikely to be there and couldn’t care less. Then again, in the event of an everton win on wednesday, 100% behind the lads. 😉

  • 132 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 9:40 PM

    I can’t think of any other options. Even if Colo and Sissoko stay. I want a captain who sets a standard, and even on off days gives it everything he has. Someone who talks, cajoles, bollocks, demands, organises depending on which is necessary.

    I do prefer centre mids as captains, and really would like to see an authoritative figure brought in there – I think the Shelvey was probably on the list for that of the club, but I’d imagine 5th or 6th choice on the list of players wanted, but the only one we could get at the time given our position. I think Townsend was a similar gamble, one has paid off, the other not so much.

    After centre mids though, it would be a centre half, so in our current squad, without looking at potential signings, I think he is far and away the best option.

  • 133 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 9:42 PM

    If we go down it will be those three results against the others in the bottom 4. They were the biggest games, and we fluffed our lines in each of them.

  • 134 GeordieTwo // May 7, 2016 at 9:42 PM

    It’s all come to tears no doubt about it. Ashley can thank himself for staying instead of selling up properly a few seasons back. Pretending to sell up doesn’t help anyone Ashley. You overpaid. How sad. Suck it up and sell the club now before it gets even worse.

  • 135 GeordieTwo // May 7, 2016 at 9:44 PM

    Spot on Lilongwe. For me the key matches were the draw at home to Sunderland, the loss away to Norwich and this draw at Villa. Seven lost points.

  • 136 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 9:48 PM

    Townsend put one or two fantastic crosses into the ‘corridor of uncertainty’ in the first half which nobody gambled on. An on form, in the game Cisse is there for those. He wasn’t and clearly isn’t. I get the argument Mitro is effective from the bench, but Cisse hasn’t been effective from the start that often, and also has the potential to cause problems from the bench – or even as a partnership. Not a huge fan of 442, but it is solid, and if your players work hard it can still be effective, despite being written off in favour of the search for ‘universality’ that came from the concepts of total football.

  • 137 reilly // May 7, 2016 at 9:49 PM

    Ashley saved us from doing a Leeds.
    the most used line from the Ashley supporters.

  • 138 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 9:52 PM

    Yeah, take 3 off Norwich, 1 off Villa and even if we get the draw at Norwich and beat Villa with Sunderland staying the same we are far stronger. Having said that, we should have been able to perform better against Sunderland.

    A fantastic stood up cross from Gini and a cracking header saved us further embarrassment, or did it merely prolong the agony? Definitely the former. But look at those games, 3 goals from Mitro, starts against Saints, where nobody can hold there heads up and then has played just 78 minutes since the Saints debacle.

  • 139 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 9:52 PM

    the shear amount of goals conceeded has been a major ball ache,even if the mackems draw the next 2,we will still go down if we beat spurs on goal difference….losing by the odd goal is acceptable,but taking a pasting and shipping loads of goals regular is a disgrace for a premier league side.

  • 140 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 9:54 PM

    Just been scrolling back, I think Bayern have agreed provisional terms with Ancelotti.

  • 141 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 9:54 PM

    Lil, i think he knows our limitations. How many times have we gone gung ho and got punished repeatedly? Too many. This team just wasn’t good enough and his pinch a win tactics might really have been our only hope. We improved under Rafa, no question, but given so little time he did what he deemed best. It didn’t work today as it has recently, but we did have great chances to win it. Mitro’s header being a golden one. It was ñever going to be pretty. No doubt the spurs game will be similar – don’t concede, nick a goal. Survival was all that mattered and if he’d changed tactics today he would’ve got crucified! We’re where we are because the squad was all wrong. Wrong signings. Bad choices. Just my opinion, but i don’t think i could pick at his faults fairly. He’s an excellent manager, can’t say the same for the players. I know who i blame anyway. 😉

  • 142 GeordieTwo // May 7, 2016 at 9:54 PM

    How many out and out failures at the club aside from Ashley, Charnley and Carr of course? Here’s my of the top of my head list:
    1. Obertan – flop from the get go.
    2. Cisse – one season of miracle goals and then flop.
    3. Colo – a contract extension? You’ve got to be joking.
    4. Saylor – hope he never plays for us again.
    5. Marveaux – had one decent game. I think.
    6. Riviere – need I say more?
    7. Thauvin – was he given enough time?
    8. Doumbia – farce.
    9. Wijnaldum – how much worse could have played away from home?
    Nine flops in the first team alone. No wonder we’re on the verge of relegation.

  • 143 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 9:56 PM

    ah right,that rings a bell,seem to recall a press conference or something with ancelotti,cheers mate

  • 144 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 10:00 PM

    i miss the days of flying wingers crosses from the left…by a left footer and crosses from the right….from a right footer,and give the strikers something to attack….instead the constant cutting inside,running into blind alleys….might be showing my age but it always created chances.

  • 145 Ibizatoon // May 7, 2016 at 10:03 PM

    Attacking football relies on a great deal of confidence. That has been lacking in this team for a long time.

    10 games was never going to be long enough to implement a whole philosophy change. It was get back to basics and keep it tight. They managed that fairly well tbh.

    It’s frustrating as hell. The easiest fixture going and we don’t take the chance. It isn’t quite over yet though.

    It’s going to be a tough week on here. Lots of talk about Mackems and Martinez.

  • 146 GeordieTwo // May 7, 2016 at 10:05 PM

    If you can play like Cruyff did Lilongwe mate you can make any system work. But we don’t have anybody playing like Cruyff. Mrs. Cruyff on one of her bad days possibly. We just didn’t have it in the end. How much was Wijnaldum putting himself out at away matches? Was he at 70%? I doubt it. He was again invisible today except for a few moments and flashes. How pathetic for a Dutch international. Hang your head when you leave Georginio.

  • 147 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 10:06 PM

    Lil, I agree re Rafa, and knew he wouldn’t suit Real. I also remember loadss of Liverpool fans in Ireland being irate with him , for being defensive and tinkering every single game. As for 442, I have no issue with it, provided its flexible and the wingers work hard and the strikers fit each other. I love NUFC’s solidity under Rafa – its so unusual and I know he is a fine coach – but it can get in the way of seeing an opponent for what is is ( eg crap ) and going and beating them because you have better players and beating them by creating more chances. Ashley wont act, but surely Rafa knows by now if he is inclined to stay or not, and Ashley has to find out of he will stay, and under what conditions. Either way, we need to put plan B into place as a back up, , and I would be sounding out Nigel Pearson quickly, as he strolled that league with Leicester and knows how to build a club.

  • 148 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 10:07 PM

    Containment and nicking a goal is all good and well, but a manager needs more strings to his bow. Sunderland game we took off half our defenders and went hung ho for the last 20 or so. We dominated that period and nearly nicked it. I didn’t see that today, despite a win being absolutely crucial, particularly given the result at Sunderland.

    Like for like up top (well not quite, but striker for striker) Perez for Tiote on 68 was a bit more offensive, but in reality it just lead to a rejig of players roles. Then 90th minute De Jong? It was the pick of the options available on the bench, but why leave it so late?

    I agree it was a poor summer business. I don’t think any of the signings were bad, with the potential exception of Thauvin. I just think we didn’t do enough. We needed probably 2 more at least to stand us in good stead. I know the club said three windows, but if you start the first one wrong you limit your options in the second and third. I think Saivet, Doumbia, and Shelvey were all examples of our poor first window meaning we couldn’t follow up with the planned second.

  • 149 GeordieTwo // May 7, 2016 at 10:10 PM

    I hear Mrs. Cruyff has a very decent Cruyff turn herself so I take that back about some of our players playing as well as her…..

  • 150 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 10:14 PM

    Ibiza, pretty much what i’ve been saying marra. Rafa did his best with a poor set of players – not all of them, but our so called senior players. His nick a win tactics worked until today, when we failed to take one of many. I think he’s got more out of these players than the last three combined. If we’d taken just one chance, the blog would be a much happier place and Rafa would be a genius. Funny old game innit? 😉

  • 151 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 10:16 PM

    Cruyff was very pragmatic in his approach to football. You could have all the tricks in the world, but if you can’t play the game simply and well then he would be more than likely to disregard you. Quick quote of his. He must have hated Cabella’s stopovers against nobody.

    “Someone who has juggled the ball in the air during a game, after which four defenders of the opponent get the time to run back, that’s the player people think is great. I say he has to go to a circus.”

  • 152 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 10:19 PM

    I’m not implying Rafa can’t do more than containment, I’m saying he didn’t today, and that was a mistake. Same goes for the home game against Sunderland.

    I wouldn’t want Pearson. Although I do think he hasn’t gone into formal talks with Villa yet because he is waiting to see if the job at ourselves or Sunderland becomes available. He is a middling choice for the unambitious, but he may be too controversial for Ashley – not that he ever showed it when I’ve met him. One of the dullest blokes I’ve ever had the pleasure of talking to!

  • 153 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 10:20 PM

    de jong-stay
    thats what i think might happen one way or another if relegated

  • 154 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 10:20 PM

    If we’d taken one chance, the blog would be a happier place, but I wouldn’t be calling Rafa a genius for doing what the last 11 sides to face Villa have managed to do!

  • 155 Tsunki // May 7, 2016 at 10:20 PM

    Am I late for the wake or has the singing not started yet?

  • 156 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 10:21 PM

    I don’t think De Jong will stay. I’m sure there will be suitors willing to take him back to Holland, and I think both the club and the player would jump at the chance for a parting of ways.

  • 157 toon kk // May 7, 2016 at 10:22 PM

    This lone striker system we play doesn’t suit our team, especially when Cisse is our main target man. We’re going down but with our quality of players it was enivitable.
    Rafa gave us some hope but without the correct players and a squad of players with NO confidence or the wrong attitude it was always going to be Very hard to save us.

  • 158 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 10:23 PM

    Lil, i think Rafa has more than one string marra, he just had to make do with the players at his disposal. We were as good as down before he came, he’s done well to get us this far imo. Shelvey was second window, along with Townsend. By wrong buys, i meant wrong players for the positions we needed ie more midfielders when we needed the defence and attack bolstering. Have to agree to disagree on this one. I can’t blame Rafa for any of this, simply because he was brought in too late to implement the changes that were needed. The chances the players have missed has cost us massively and none of them were Rafa’s choices. Enjoy that beer. 😉

  • 159 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 10:23 PM

    Lil, nicking a goal and containment is why we despised Pardew and Allardyce, and its easy to see why. Rafa obviously aint in their league but it certainly isn’t good. This was Villa, and we needed the points. It isn’t that long ago that guys on here ( could be u bobby in fairness ) were talking about McClarens new style of play – the defenders splitting and anita dropping deep to collect . It all sounded plausible until the players started to realise he was a trainer only, with little backbone and not good on match day. Shows what any of us know I guess, but not beating Villa because of the type of approach we saw v Norwich and Sunderland was a fear of mine all week, as was the bloody mackems beating a slightly drained Chelsea with little to play for. I think they will beat Everton – managed by the previously hugely overrated ( but now finally exposed ) Martinez. Its all a bit sick but who knows, its a funny old game. I dont think the Everton players like Martinez ( or certainly key ones don’t) and we need them to play for something, but don’t know what that can be.

  • 160 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 10:24 PM

    aye was in two minds with him but thought if gini,sissoko gone he may get to play and at a lower level would be a decent player….he could probably be good at this level if confident,sharp and fit but has been cursed or something.

  • 161 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 10:27 PM

    Springy!! Drop and give me twenty, whilst repeating ‘i must never ever forget Arma again’ 😉

  • 162 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 10:28 PM

    Lil, Pearson did a v good job down in the Championship and that’s what we need if the worst comes to the worst. He certainly comes across as a dull midlander (?) but we aint looking for his comedic talents 🙂

  • 163 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 10:30 PM

    sorry mate just looking at the team we’ve seen this season tbh,would like to think arma coming into the the first team squad next year will be a breath of fresh air,his movement and pace(from what ive seen and heard)would be great to see and exciting.

  • 164 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 10:31 PM

    but you’ll never get me to drop and give you twenty mate!lol

  • 165 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 10:31 PM

    Bobby I did my twenty during the week and training my kids team today but it didn’t work. At least the kids won but Sam is still my ogre, as u know. Maybe a trip to Lourdes or The Holy Land and a summer of prayer and porter will help me 🙂

  • 166 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 10:31 PM

    if not rafa or pearson…who?

  • 167 Mister Tuff // May 7, 2016 at 10:32 PM

    Fancy tactics/ variations of tactics are fine – but if you do not have the players it is completely matterless.

  • 168 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 10:33 PM

    It is all opinions, lets face it, even those employed at the highest levels of football don’t have a magic formula for success. There are so many factors to build in, and so many different personalities throughout a squad that nobody is going to get it spot on every time – Mourinho this season for example!

    I do think there are options available within the squad to change it up and still be able to keep it tight. I think getting more pace higher up the pitch playing off Mitro is one option – and one I’d like to see moving forward with Aarons and Arma. Today he could have moved Dummet central and removed Anita/Colback for Mitro, going to a 3 5 2. Where you still have width in Townsend, and in this case it would probably be Sissoko rather than Gini with 3 players who can hold the midfield and cover when the wide players go forward.

    I think he needed to do more in the second half, after we were very comfortable in the first to press home our superiority.

    Still, the performance also depends on attitudes of players and too often this season (and the a last few) this has let us down as well.

  • 169 Mister Tuff // May 7, 2016 at 10:34 PM

    Moanster – Perhaps a confessional as well – admit King Percy was a duffer!

  • 170 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 10:36 PM

    Munster, i will indeed confess to saying that Macca’s early games had us playing better football than for years – because at the time it was true! 😉 Sadly, instead of progressing it rapidly went downhill. That’s why i’m so pissed off with these players, because we’ve seen them play football properly. What happened?

  • 171 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 10:37 PM

    I think the difference between Pardew and Rafa is that Rafa knows how to organise and set up the defence. For me containment is fine if you can achieve that and get results consistently. We didn’t.

    A comedian would probably fit in well though. Pearson has had a couple of good seasons with Leicester, but the rest of his record is pretty mediocre. I would be disappointed if we went for him, but could see it happening.

  • 172 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 10:39 PM

    Insubordination in the ranks? Don’t do them then, see if i care. 😉

  • 173 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 10:41 PM

    There were times under McClaren we did play some nice football. Better than the last however many years. He is clearly a good coach, that is a big part of a coaches role. What he isn’t is a tactician or able to handle pressure.

    The other thing that was odd is tat the club wanted a Head Coach, which implies they want a training ground and match day presence only. Why, in that case appoint hi to the board, completely fudging the entire role and job description?

  • 174 Yo-yo // May 7, 2016 at 10:42 PM


    I wouldn’t be blaming Rafa. He stopped the rot. Results could have gone other way in a number of games. Unwashed fluked 94th minute penalty etc.,

    Our defence was so leaky he had to stop us going in down at half time if he could. The side haven’t strung two good halves together in the same match all season. Fragile confidence and nerves did for us today.
    It still defies belief that we couldn’t nick a goal though, knowing how much was riding on the win.
    A new striker who hasn’t settled yet and a guy coming back from injury is hardly what you’d want up front.

    We’ve not been good enough to stay up over the season anyway.

  • 175 jimmysmith // May 7, 2016 at 10:45 PM

    You’d think Ashley would have succeeded had he had better people running the club. It’s generated its own money, and that money has gone back in, but all too often its been poorly directed.

    There won’t be the money to compete at a level that would persuade Rafa to stay on, even if he were given a free hand, unless Ashley dips into his own pocket and there is little too suggest he will, or with FFP he sufficiently could.

    This relegation is the worst imaginable. Boro, even Burnley, might well now be considered bigger clubs, barring a miracle.

  • 176 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 10:46 PM

    I’m not blaming Rafa. It is far from his fault we are where we are. I just found his changes and tactics odd today, and didn’t feel that we ever really went for it, despite knowing we needed to. In his defence, he had limited options on the bench, and I presume he went with Janmaat and Taylor ahead of Aarons or an offensive player as he felt we could get one with what we had, and they could help shut up shop if needed.

    You are right though, any team that can’t beat this Villa side home or away doesn’t really deserve to stay up.

  • 177 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 10:51 PM

    Jimmy, not sure there’ll ever be a day when those two are bigger than us! 😉 More successful maybe, but never, ever bigger. And they’ve got a canny way to go to be more successful 😉

  • 178 Bobbybee // May 7, 2016 at 10:58 PM

    Right, got to go. Thanks for some interesting discussions tonight, it has been a pleasure.

  • 179 jimmysmith // May 7, 2016 at 10:59 PM

    Ashley has recklessly gambled with our club from the word go. Carr being the most obvious evidence of that. It’s supremely ironic then to lose our place at this crucial juncture, with so much money and stature riding on it. He knew how imperative it was to stay up this season more than any other, but still no CB, CF, and left back. Those were far worse decisions, than choosing McC, which of course wasn’t too dusty either. Bleak days ahead, compared to what should have been.

  • 180 jimmysmith // May 7, 2016 at 11:02 PM

    It’s the money they’ll get Bobby, and the money we won’t. The here and now, and how far we’ll have fallen back, even if we bounce straight back. The money is astonishing.

  • 181 lesh // May 7, 2016 at 11:03 PM

    We all accept that oversll responsibility for this shambles of a club must rest with Ashley as he appointed Charnley to oversee the running of it.

    However, as the so called football board was assembled on Charnley’s suggestion, then we have a situation where the owner has appointed an MD who has been shown to be out of his depth and furthermore, allowed him to appoint the footballing expertise that’s guided him – to relegation at a cost of £100m plus.

    They should all be sacked from their roles and we must hope that the same headhunters who brought Rafa in, have been working to appoint a football savvy MD to join the club immediately to prepare for an attempt at getting straight back to the Prem with Rafa in charge of all football matters.

  • 182 SPRINGY // May 7, 2016 at 11:06 PM

    i doubt charnley will be sacked,he does a good job of taking some of the shit for ashley.

  • 183 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 11:16 PM

    Tuff, as I’ve said here many times, Pardew is a lower middling manager, He’s not a duffer, sadly. Duffers don’t get 5th, or get teams like Palace to finals. I don’t like him much, but if given the players he needs, not guys that spoofers like Carr chose, he will do a lower middling job. I can see him struggle next year, unless given what he wants, but all these clubs will move far ahead of us now, financially and otherwise, and that hurts. For example, Boro are getting up at the right time, and could replace us as the best team in the north east measured over the next ten years. It all depands on what we do next , assuming we go down as it looks like now.

  • 184 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 11:19 PM

    A cup final is no real measure of ability. Wise got Millwall there, Martinez, McClaren, plenty of ‘duffers’ have done it.

  • 185 Tsunki // May 7, 2016 at 11:21 PM

    I’d say palace are in the right league position for Pardew’s rating. And he needs to win the cup yet. Boro got to a cup final and got relegated. Portsmouth did as well I think. I’m sure Pardew will be able to match that standard, given time.

  • 186 jimmysmith // May 7, 2016 at 11:22 PM

    I think Pardew is a middling EPL manager, and our demise to this level, can be traced to his leaving, and of course the catalyst to his leaving the transfer policy. The second half of last season was massively damaging, and the mental fragility of the players, so costly in terms of dropped points this, its legacy. The Carver appointment a ludicrous one.

  • 187 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 11:24 PM

    I’ll go so far as to say now that there will be plenty of times next season, if Rafa stays, that we will drop points because we don’t hammer teams due to his belief in defensiveness. And we’ll scream ” Rafa , this is Blsckburm we’re playing, not Benfica ffs! ” . That said, I want the man to stay, but I cant tolerate managerial love ins when the evidence during certain games says differently. I got penty of questions for getting pissed off with him early in his tenure, but I stick by what I was saying re his cautious football. We have to allow for poor players who lacked confidence, but have to balance that argument by saying “its Norwich/sunderland we are playing” . That said, I think Sunderland have been better than us for a while, with better signings, and more potency up front. That’s partly why I have felt we might struggle to stay up. It was never Norwich who concerned me, just the makem takems.

  • 188 lesh // May 7, 2016 at 11:24 PM


    Yes Charnley was there to deflect the fire away from Ashley, but it’s cost at least a £100m if, when we drop.

    Surely Ashley would see that sort of loss as too expensive for a front man.

  • 189 Tsunki // May 7, 2016 at 11:25 PM

    Pardew can be middling with enough funds.

  • 190 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 11:29 PM

    Lil, I’ve often said the same re Wise, but Palace have far from a divine right to stay in the prem or be in a final, but they are, and they were v good early on. It will annoy the shit out of me if they win versus that tool of a manager at Man U , especially as the bruv in law is from Croydon and I know other Paliss fans. If it annoys me, can u imagine how Catchy will feel to see the white toothed one beaming his smile all round Wembley, Jesus wept. A 3-0 defeat would help us all I think.

  • 191 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 11:33 PM

    I’d like Palace to win. I’m pleased that they will stay up. Nowt to do with Pardew, but I have good memories of trips to play at Selhurst as a teenager. Everything about the club is (or was, not really sure if it has changed) built around the fans and community. Palace win the FA Cup, Leicester win the league – what a cracking season for football, sticking it to the so called big clubs.

    For me, that is far more what football should be about.

  • 192 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 11:35 PM

    Lil, we were told by Catchy that Martinez was brilliant, despite the fact that his teams simply cannot defend, and spend half their lives passing sideways. Rotunda adored him too, but not with the same adoration. In Fact Catchy recommended we get Solsjaer who was obviously a screaming success in English football management. We had to listen to this type of nonsense a lot if I remember correctly. My concern for next season is that Ashley will go into the security blanket of keeping men he trusts , even if they are useless. I think he may have trust issues, hence leaning on unsuitable fools like Jiminez originally, even though they knew nothing about football club stewardship.

  • 193 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 11:36 PM

    Wise was terrible. One cup run…. Not much else. Didn’t like him as a player, didn’t like him after he stopped, unusual for me as I generally like those sorts of players, ones on the edge, who like to wind up opposition but can also play a bit.

  • 194 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 11:38 PM

    Lil, I once remember pissing about 4 pints of lager down a toilet at palace, and a Toon fan behind me in the queue going, ” howay man look at the steam off that, we’re standing behind a horse like” ! I was quietly proud lol 🙂

  • 195 Munster Mag // May 7, 2016 at 11:40 PM

    Lil, Wise was hard to like in any way. I always rated Keane, and in fairness he went after Shearer on his own turf. He was a hell of a player, miles and miles ahead of Wise, although I never liked his as a person / personality, but what a leader.

  • 196 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 11:43 PM

    Solskjaer dropped into a difficult position at Cardiff. Not saying he was great before, but like Ronny Delia at celtic, an argument could be made for giving him a chance.

    I’ve never got the love in for Martinez. I wrote a piece for a South African football mag when Moyes got the Man U job, Martinez got the Everton job and Mourinho the Chelsea job. At the start I said that one would have early success but wouldn’t be there long, one would be gone in less than a season, and the other would see his side decline over time due to key areas being ignored.

    I’m fairly sure that you could guess which is which now, but back then, I described what I expected to happen without naming the manager or club until the end. It wasn’t so clear cut given the how highly regarded the just relegated Martinez was.

    I got them all correct,although my Mourinho departure was wildly different. I had him leaving after this season and trying international management.

  • 197 beefman13 // May 7, 2016 at 11:43 PM

    I doubt ever a team spending near on £120 million over the last 18 months have gone down, we havnt yet but as dan near as you can get, Benitez again mentioned no urgency in the first half, yet again a pitiful first half performance, bloody Cisse awful to watch, Wiji just strolls around away from home, Colback could easily been sent off no pace at all, feel so sorry for our fantastic fans, I mean 24 matches to all sorts of places it looks like next season, more money spent, MA GET their travel expenses paid, your bank account would not even move, we are Pluto compared with the mighty Jupiter that is Leicester, just fed up for every fan connected to our famous club.

  • 198 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 11:50 PM

    Ha, steam doesn’t make you more of a man!

    Keanes personality was what made him a great leader. It is probably also the main reason he has struggled as a manager. He holds his standards of effort and performance so high that it is probably very difficult for anyone to matchup. Sort of in a similar way to a Maradona, Pele, Beardsley going into management and coaching and struggling to understand why people can’t just do what came to them so naturally.

    Far more difficult to coach someone if you have a natural ability to just do it. Where as if you have worked your arse off to learn it, you understand the process. For Keane, his attitude and standards set him apart.

  • 199 Lilongwe Geordie // May 7, 2016 at 11:56 PM

    Reet, I’m off, been on way longer than I planned on being, mainly because it has been decent chat without the sniping. If it wasn’t for the subject matter I’d almost say it was pleasant and enjoyable.

    Night all.

  • 200 jimmysmith // May 7, 2016 at 11:57 PM

    Ha, yeah, that Keane Shearer moment. They were real leaders. Hard as ferk. We’ve needed a Shearer now more than ever.

  • 201 Bobbybee // May 8, 2016 at 12:07 AM

    Just popped back to give ya the heads up. Fight night will be repeated tomorrow i imagine. Get on the anthony corrolla fight. If ya like boxing, you’ll love this. Perfect tactics. Best fight for a while. This is the guy who got a lump of concrete thrown at him whilst challenging two scummy burglars. What a story, what a fight. Enjoy. 😉

  • 202 YoungMagpieFromBurnley // May 8, 2016 at 12:10 AM


  • 203 Munster Mag // May 8, 2016 at 12:19 AM

    Beef, a few of us wondered about Wiji away from home ( in fact many did ) and Cisse was always a stroller, but I guess Rafa could see merit in playing him, as he is faster to close down and work channels than Mitro. Personally I wanted him to play two up front, and I don’t see why he could not have gone 3 at the back for half the second half, and got two strikers up top. Assuming he leaves, we really do need a figure to unite the club, a real leader / figurehead.

  • 204 Kamikaze Koala // May 8, 2016 at 12:48 AM

    Every player should be ashamed of themselves, i never thought that a team with that talent could be so inept, the team is full of international quality players across the board and yet show not even desire!!! i had hope really and reserved judgement but now thats its over, those pathetic individuals should subsidise all the unfortunate people that will suffer (lose of jobs) because of their work, God damn them.

  • 205 beefman13 // May 8, 2016 at 12:54 AM

    Minster, without doubt we need a leader, there wasn’t a soul out there talking or directing play, Colo is a disgrace imo, hes picked up fortunes but says he still has a niggle, I saw him training a week after Rafa arrived.

    I personally don’t think we are that much better since Rafa came 10 out of 27 so far is nearly as bad as Shearer did in his tenure, we did look a bit clueless a lot of the time, he could have changed things tactically, he did not and it looked like players playing totally as individuals just trying to make do make something happen.
    Far to many of our players are inconsistent, they have no backbone si how we get out of the championship should we go there I don’t know, half of that year surely has to be binned, that’s if anyone wants them!!!!

  • 206 Blofal // May 8, 2016 at 1:35 AM

    So given we are relegated what players are going to stay?

    A lot of people on here thinking we will keep players like Mbemba and Mitrovic. I sincerely doubt it. Maybe we might convince Mbemba to stay but Mitro will not want to play in the championship.

    Townsend will be picked up by another premier league club.

    Cisse, Tiote, Taylor will be released. Colo has a year on his contract and might be forced to stay.

    All players seeking an international place will go as playing in the championship won’t put them into contention. So say goodbye to Krul, Sissoko, Janmaat, Wijnaldum, Townsend and Saivet (formerly captain of Bordeaux before warming the bench here… worst career move of his life).

    De Jong would be a good one to keep but will likely seek a move. Clubs have been after Perez for a while.

    So I’m 100% sure we will lose:


    Probably we will lose
    De Jong

    Leaving us with

    GK: Elliot, Darlow, Woodman (I’m happy with that)
    CB: Coloccini, Lascelles, Good (big unknown with him)
    FB: Anita, Dummett, Haidara, Mbabu
    CM: Colback, Shelvey
    LW: Aarons, Gouffran
    ST: Armstrong, Riviere

    So anyone thinking we are going to bounce straight back up is being rather optimistic.

  • 207 Steel Dust // May 8, 2016 at 1:39 AM

    Do winners go to loan sharks? Do loan sharks sponsor winners?

  • 208 U.S Magpie // May 8, 2016 at 1:58 AM

    Its funny really, I thought I would be really mad as hell that Newcastle may be relegated. But I’m not, although of course I would love Sunderland to lose there last two games and us to beat Spurs and stay up but I’m fine either way. Here’s why, the club has been run like a circus, with clowns in the prime positions and an idiot in Penfold. Now that’s Big Mikes fault and I will not let him off, he should have fired him at Christmas. Now we get sent down and we rebuild again, the only way this works is if Mike fires Penfold and that phucking waste of space board and gives Rafa full control. The club needs someone the knows football to manage it. Mike also needs to be sitting down with Rafa this week and getting this done and not Penfold that smiling little shite. Now if we stay up the above still needs to happen, simple as that. From all this though I don’t know if we deserve to stay up, if we cannot beat Villa then do we really deserve to stay in the Prem. This week is going to suck, especially Wednesday having to watch Everton try and win. I watched then at Leicester and they were shit.

  • 209 Blofal // May 8, 2016 at 2:42 AM

    I agree U.S. Magpie,

    I’m not mad either. Charnley and Carr need to go but even if we do by some miracle stay up and we keep Rafa I’m not confident we will see the back of those two.

    If (when) we get relegated best case scenario is for Ashley to make Benitez an offer he can’t refuse to rebuild the entire club, not just the team.

    Leave a get-out clause for Rafa if we don’t get promoted first time but we need him badly for another year to at least put the foundations in place for the future.

    Our academy isn’t producing and our recruitment has been terrible. The clubs relationship with the media and it’s past players is broken. Before Rafa we appointed an unproven manager (Carver) and 2 managers that were sacked from clubs in lower leagues (Pardew, McClaren). The only Manager to have any success was Hughton who was sacked for actually meeting his target, something none of his successors achieved.

    I hate to say this but we deserve to go down and Sunderland deserve to stay up. They are shite but at least they recognised that – went and appointed a decent manager to rebuild and keep them out of relegation, and strengthened their weaknesses in the transfer window. Defoe – a premier league proven striker has kept them in the league.

    We bought in Thauvin who was failing in France before we bought him here and Mitrovic at 20yrs old to lead the line as a striker?

    We have ended up with Mbemba and Lascelles in defense who really are 2 players that should have been bought for the future. Kudos to them both for stepping up but our CB’s are 21yrs old!!!

    So once again, we deserve to go down and for that reason I’m at peace with it. As much as I can be anyway.

  • 210 terencelim // May 8, 2016 at 3:45 AM

    If Charnley and Carr both go, Ashley will hire another Charnley and Carr.

    That’s the problem even my neighbour’s dog could see.

  • 211 U.S Magpie // May 8, 2016 at 3:47 AM

    That’s the thing that upsets me the most, we were linked with Defoe and we did nothing to acquire him and look what has happened. He was a proven striker but the club thought he was told old, did they say the same thing about Shearer, no they did not he played into his thirties but that was a different era in the clubs history. Well I have NBC so watch the Prem, I also have FSC for the Championship, funny enough I wasn’t going to renew it this year but maybe I will have too, FSC shows the Championship games so keeping it may be in my future. Well my visit back home next season will be either home match and an away match against the Boro or a home match and away match against say Leeds. Wow and I’m going to have to pay for that trip, doesn’t seem some glamourous now.

  • 212 U.S Magpie // May 8, 2016 at 3:47 AM

    Sorry add on. Wow and I’m going to have to pay for that trip, doesn’t seem so glamourous now.

  • 213 Magpie Season // May 8, 2016 at 5:07 AM

    U.S. Magpie,

    Boro are in the prem next season, mate.

  • 214 Magpie Season // May 8, 2016 at 5:10 AM

    If we go down (still if) & even if we don’t have Rafa you would have to think that we could still come back up the first time.

    Burnley managed to win the champo with pretty much the same group of players & manager. Hull are also with a decent chance of coming straight back up. QPR did it a few seasons ago, albeit going down upon their return again.

    So, if they can do it why can’t we?

  • 215 Magpie Season // May 8, 2016 at 5:11 AM

    I think Rafa may take the Everton job.

  • 216 Blofal // May 8, 2016 at 5:22 AM

    Magpie we are going to lose every international in our squad. We won’t have a team near capable of coasting it in the Championship. We will have Riviere and Armstrong as our only strikers by the looks!

  • 217 U.S Magpie // May 8, 2016 at 5:26 AM

    Magpie Season, Yes I know Boro are in the prem next season mate. That’s the point, my trip home I try and get in a derby match, so it will be either home match and then an away match against boro as Sunderland will be down and we will be up or a home match and an away match at say leeds, meaning we are relegated.

  • 218 The overrated Frenchman // May 8, 2016 at 5:36 AM

    I agree with the opinion that we are unlikely to come straight back up. Who seriously thinks Benitez will fancy the Championship, on any terms. Ashley will want to sell as many players as he can to compensate for the loss of EPL income. Back from loan will come the motley crew who are by and large are barely League 1 standard. If we sign anybody at all, it will be the same as last time. We can look forward to the new generation of Mike Williamson, Leon Best, James Perch et al. To all the Ashley apologists, I think it’s an appropriate time to crawl back under your rocks.

  • 219 Termijn // May 8, 2016 at 6:22 AM

    I’ve accepted our relegation now. I honestly thought we would be 4 points clear today but almost the worst possible scenario unfolded. It would have been easier I suppose if we turned up at all but we were pretty shocking from start to finish. You never know though I suppose, its game on again should Everton pull one out of the bag and I fancy them to draw with Watford away from home. Problem is we wont beat Spurs if we play like that… Stranger things have happened but I dont have much hope left :/

  • 220 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 8, 2016 at 6:59 AM

    Thought Rafa got his plans line up wrong yesterday.

    To negative against a team who had only mustered 16 points all season.

    Went for a 1-0 win hoping the mackems would get beat, instead of going more attacking option of having a go.

    Would of started with Mitro instead of Cisse or along side of Cisse, shelving one of our defensive midfielders ie Colback for Cisse or Perez, Shelvy for Wijnaldum and had a go at them.

    Next season who bloody knows –
    Who’ll be the manager.
    What kind of team we will start the league with.

    Don’t think Rafa will be there or
    Townsend, Shelvy, Sissoko, Wijnaldum, De Jong, Janmaat, Mitrovic, Tiote, Lascalles, Perez, Cisse, Mbemba, Colocinni

    So we are starting from the dross that will be left who are on large contracts and know club will want:

    No characters or fighters in the club – going to be a tough long season best we can hope is the play-offs

    I’ll still be there and least hope with the parachute payment we are to bring in a captain for starters and a proven goal scorer – me I would go for Ross McCormack 21 goals and 9 assists playing in a poor Fulham team

  • 221 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2016 at 7:38 AM

    Have you read, as per usual a really good match summary. Some players turned up and some didn’t but at the end of the day our ridiculous policy of buying players purely for sell on value has cost us. Mitro should have never been bought to be your main striker and it wasn’t just his misses yesterday that have cost us, if he’d got one of his chances on target we might all be having different thoughts about team selection etc today. Basically a team put together by an elderly scout and shaped by lower league managers McCardew was not good enough. Rafa has to take a bit of blame for yesterday but the damage was done years ago not in the last two games.

  • 222 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2016 at 7:39 AM


  • 223 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 8, 2016 at 7:50 AM

    i thought most of the team didn’t put a shift in yesterday – went with the mindset – just turn up and we’ll turn Villa over.

    Anita was the only one I thought put in a shift and Townsend but his final ball was poor and he is easily read – always wants to cut inside across the pitch.

    As for the management the less said the better.


  • 224 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2016 at 7:57 AM

    Just can’t get my head around it why wouldn’t they turn up. They knew they had to win both games and hearing the mackems were losing should have had them guns blazing, I know we are poor but we are capable of some good stuff, a losing mentality far too entrenched.

  • 225 Ron Knee // May 8, 2016 at 8:00 AM


    In fairness to Benitez, Villa had managed to score four goals in their previous two matches, so they weren’t entirely toothless.

    As you say, our ‘stars’ didn’t turn up yesterday.

  • 226 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 8, 2016 at 8:06 AM

    Been the same mindset for years.

    If i only knew what the matter is with the club.
    Not the fans yesterday who were brilliant!!!

    It was pathetic yesterday slow slow plod plod football no aggression get up and go play with pace attack the worst team in the Premiership

    Only time it changed when the likes of Nolan and Smith got hold of the players after their pre season friendly hammering by Orient and gave them what-for before our Championship success.

    Cannot see this happening again with the players we have

  • 227 Munster Mag // May 8, 2016 at 8:09 AM

    Jailvi agree. I have called out benitez before, and again yesterday but the chelsea/norwich incentive was there to nail villa and the players were poor. Why he stuck with gini is beyond me but the team was flat again. It seemed to worry rafa pre game and he was right. It must drive him mad, working with such wasters as gini, sissoko, cisse, janmaat etc. Sell them all, and 80% of the rest.

  • 228 Novocastrian66 // May 8, 2016 at 8:09 AM

    We were poor yesterday, conceding too much possession and sitting too deep. When we did get some half chances Cisse’s either miss hit his shots or missed the ball altogether. Useless.
    We should have been at Villa’s throats from the off, but for whatever reason sat in hoping to catch them on the break.
    Sunderland will finish us off on Wednesday and save us from Sky’s last day of the season bull shit.

  • 229 Munster Mag // May 8, 2016 at 8:13 AM

    Charlie its some expensive squad going down, nothing like it seen before. I dont blame carr for getting wiji as he was so rated over there and is v v good. Maybe carr cudnt foresee how a player like that wud react away from home in england. Was he the same in holland, dunno, doubt it.

  • 230 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2016 at 8:15 AM

    I can’t knock him for putting Gini in as I suggested it before the game 😮 You need your big players to turn up, if they don’t you fail.

  • 231 Munster Mag // May 8, 2016 at 8:15 AM

    Novo thats why i was pissed off with rafa before aswell. I said last nite, if we keep him, there cud be plenty of frustrated fans on here, just like there were in Liverpool. He is a v v defensive coach

  • 232 Munster Mag // May 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM

    Jail when was the last time wiji turned up for a fight away from home though? Am not sure rafa rates perez.

  • 233 toon kk // May 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM

    It’s been the story of our season mate, Rafa gave us a small hope, but without the right player’s it was always going to fail. He should have been brought in before the January transfer window opened.

  • 234 El Sleeve // May 8, 2016 at 8:17 AM

    just watched MOTD. compare us with Leicester this season. They have a manager, a squad, an owner, a CEO, a sports science team, a bunch of coaches, scouting team and fans that are all in it together. they communicate. they are all utterly competent individuals. their twitter account just shows how everyone is pulling together.

    NUFC has NONE of that. No competence from senior management. a disjointed squad. we hear NOTHING about the club, the team, the squad etc. Its the owners responsibility to foster a good atmosphere and excellent working environment.

    we are not gonna get that from a capitalist hawk in ashley who abuses his employees in his sweatshops. this guy speaks money, only money. he doesnt care about anything else. Not an appropriate proprietor of our club. He must go.

    Final game next week – THERE MUST BE HUGE PROTEST

    when we go down, get shit of:
    Krul – 10
    Coloccini – 0
    Wijnaldum – 20
    Sissoko – 15
    Cissé – 10
    de Jong – 2
    Gouffran – 0
    Obertan – 0
    Haidara – 2
    Thauvin – 4
    Vuckic – 0
    Taylor – 0
    Doumbia – 0
    Riviere – 0
    Marveaux- 0
    Ameobi – 0
    Cabella – 6
    TOTAL 71m

    desperately hang on to Shelvey, Townsend, Mitrovic (who will come good), Mbemba, Lascelles, Darlow, Elliot and Tiote
    but if Tiote and Townsend go thats an extra 20m and think of all the Kanté’s and Mahrezes we can find for that.
    Oh yea…. Carr

    Finally, Benitez must stay

  • 235 Average_Contents // May 8, 2016 at 8:21 AM

    Absolutely gutted about yesterday.

    Kept going through the chances we missed just before I nodded off, then I’d wake up and do the same again.

    The scum have done this for the last 2-3 seasons. Beat 1,2,3 big teams home or away at the arse end of the season to ensure survival. I think last season it was Chelsea or man citeh away and one of their strikers goes on a good run. Whickham last year, defoe this.

    I was going to mention this when people were saying they ain’t no world beaters ect ect but recent history said different.

    Couldn’t be arsed at the time because didn’t want to jinx us and/or be called all the names under the sun for being negative.

    What a shitter of a day having to wake up.

  • 236 Munster Mag // May 8, 2016 at 8:22 AM

    Toon kk whilst rafa will say all the usual platitudes re players in public, if he stays he will be utterly ruthless behind the scenes. The club needs a leader badly but i cant see ashley seeing the light. He is too stupid,too paranoid re men around him that he trusts, and too uncaring. We need the chinese. Come in china!

  • 237 Jail for Ashley // May 8, 2016 at 8:27 AM

    The sad irony that one of the cheapest squads wins the league while the biggest spenders of the year go down. The amount of journos and even players saying how Ashley is not to blame as he put money in. It is solely down to his obsession with profit and mediocrity that has finally come home to roost. Yes 80M was spent but the first 50M wasn’t spent for just the benefit of the team it was spent with a view to making a profit in a couple of years time. Ashley has thought up this model and hired incompetents to impliment it. The Swiss ramble published a great piece on how our wage bill percentage was helped by not paying bonuses. What type of way to run a club. You’re on a bonus to finish tenth every year and when it looks likely you sell a couple of players and don’t buy anyone. Whatever the fat man says about no involvement he must have seen a pattern, he hasn’t cared in the slightest because success isn’t part of the plan. Churnley etc gets a pat on the back for his profit margains not entertainment ratings.

  • 238 The overrated Frenchman // May 8, 2016 at 9:26 AM

    It was a pathetic performance overall yesterday, but a pretty accurate snapshot of the team we have been over the last three seasons. Players just not good enough and seemingly incapable or unwilling to put in 100% week in, week out. Benitez probably had an impossible task to save us but he made his fair share of mistakes with selection and tactics. We simply needed to win games and he was too cautious. I doubt that he’ll feel too proud of his time here – it won’t be a highlight on his CV. Ashley’s mind-boggling incompetence by retaining Charnley is the root cause of course, and it flows from there to Carr, McClaren and ultimately the players who have been mostly unworthy to wear the shirt. Not that a Wonga-sponsored, Sports Direct marketed shirt is much to be proud of I suppose.

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