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Three Already Gone – These Other Players Can Generate Significant Funds

12:57 pm, Monday, May 9th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 152 Comments

There needs to be a massive clear-out this summer of players who are simply not good enough for Newcastle.

Whoever the manager is should decide which players are brought into the club and  which ones of the current batch he wants to keep.

As strange as it may seem we may have the basis of a decent side after Rafa has brought the best out of some fringe players like Lascelles, Anita and Dummett and it just shows you what a top class manager can do with the players he has.

Georginio+Wijnaldum+Newcastle+United+v+Crystal+gwzZQZMBnGyl

Gini Wijnaldum – will leave this summer

Newcastle have already released Gabby Obertan (69 appearances) and Sylvain Marveaux (57 appearances), who were at the club earning good money for a full five years yet played a comparatively few number of games for the club.

The long agreed to transfer of Remy Cabella to Marseille will also happen on July 1st and it’s for €8M (£6.3M).

In fact Newcastle finances will be fairly good and the club will need to reduce the wage bill by definitely offloading the following players

Steven Taylor – out of contract
Sammy Ameobi – out of contract
Haris Vuckic – out of contract
Manu Riviere – £3M
Yoan Gouffran – £1M
Seydou Doumbia – end of loan spell
Fabricio Coloccini -£2M

Assuming we are relegated, which seems almost certain now – these big wage earners will be sold for hopefully the estimated fees shown – maybe more:

Georginio Wijnaldum – £15M
Moussa Sissoko – £10M
Florian Thauvin – £10M
Andros Townsend – £8M – release clause
Papiss Cisse – £3M
Daryl Janmaat – £8M

If those players can all be moved out, then we will have allowed 16 players to leave including Obertan, Marveaux and Cabella – and the wage bill will be cut significantly.

The amount we could take in with those very rough estimates of transfer fees would be around £66M.

Other players who could also be sold include Cheick Tiote (£5M) and Tim Krul (£10M)

So Newcastle should be able to generate some cash in the summer with selling some top players and then the task would be to fortify the squad – but in the right positions.

We have to strengthen the defense this summer and get in a proven and reliable striker – and if he we had done that last summer we wouldn’t be in the position we are in now.

And Graham Carr must not be allowed to choose the players coming in, if he is still at the club.

Which players  leave will depend on who the manager is, but we believe players like Wijnaldum, Janmaat, Sissoko, Thauvin and Townsend will want to get out of Toon and not want to play in the English second division.

If Rafa leaves us as seems expected, it will be interesting to see just how long Newcastle take to appoint a new manager.

Those running the club have never been known for their competence or speed in doing anything and they will likely dither around for weeks and weeks.

As  usual.



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152 responses so far ↓

  • 1 stuart no9 // May 9, 2016 at 12:59 PM

    74 stuart no9 // May 9, 2016 at 12:52 PM

    Jail—saturdays performance was no different to the last 4 or 5 . then only difference on saturday was we failed to get the goal we normally get to win the game. Colbeck being the guilty party blasted what should have been the winner over the bar . We know chances are few and far between, raffa knows that due to our lack of creativity in the box and a lack of a top goal moocher., we had to take our chance when it came – we didnt . that was our 3 points gone, but the setup was the same , slow start, play a waiting game and change things after the break , hes done that in every one of the last 6 games , it worked coz we took our chance and scored the goal , on saturday we didnt . Things would have looked a lot brighter if we had taken the only chance apart from mitro, which seemed to bounce high and a bit awkward so give him the benifit of the doubt with that one, we had , but i think the performance was typical of the last 5. we can still put this right on sunday obviously only if the macks slip up.

  • 2 jayphoto // May 9, 2016 at 1:00 PM

    Thought mitros was the better chance as he had time to think, he just made the wrong decision, really with the keeper rushing out he should have gone around him.
    I like mitro, i think he’ll be a good player but for me at the moment he’s no better than someone like chris martin, obviously Mitro will develop but at the moment all he offers is hold up play (which is good to be fair)
    I really do think Armstrong would have offered something different, even just off the bench. If vardy has shown us anything it is that pace is transferable throughout the leagues

  • 3 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // May 9, 2016 at 1:02 PM

    Martoon

    Yeah i post the odd comment, although not as much as in the past. Hows life?

    Very relevant songs, but we are trying to make raffa stay, so we probably need more positive suggestions.
    I thought of “Stay with me” – by Rod stewart, but he kicks her out later in the song, so maybe not 😀

  • 4 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 1:07 PM

    jay
    i think thats why cisse was playing to be honest,he has a bit more pace and movement then mitro,i like mitro but it was too big a job for him to do by himself,young player,new team,new league,new country then instant pressure coz we got of to the worst start imaginable,hopefully we see him and arma forging a long term fruitful partnership in the future,the battering ram and the pace.

  • 5 GeordieinOhio // May 9, 2016 at 1:09 PM

    ED, I disagree with the price tags you have put on those players, and your speculation of them being sold, lets be honest only one of those players has shined and thats Andros Townsend the rest have been worthless, I dont see many clubs offering any more than 5million for any of these players , It would not surprise me if non of these players leave

  • 6 jayphoto // May 9, 2016 at 1:13 PM

    club have no chance of getting rid of Gouffran or thauvin on the wages they are on! Thauvin has said in france he expects to be at newcastle for a few seasons regardless of where we finish this season.
    Realistically we are probably looking at the following outs and fees
    Krul -5-7m
    Janmaat – 6-8m
    Taylor – 0
    colo – -0
    Tiote -4m
    Townesend -8m release clause
    De Jong -3m
    Sissoko- 8m
    Gini -10-12m
    cabella 6m(gone)
    Cisse – 4m
    Imagine really the club will look to bring in around 50m in transfer fee and shed about 400k p/w from the wage bill.
    They will then in all likelyhood spend about 25m and add around 200k p/w to the wage bill.
    worth noting that this years parachute payment is more than last years tv money so we have a massive advantage over most championship clubs.
    The only team next year i think that will be anywhere near us in the league is Norwich who basically have a slightly better version of the side that walked the championship, will probably lose hardly any players and have experience at that level throughout

  • 7 Bobbybee // May 9, 2016 at 1:15 PM

    Jay, i thought Mitrovic’s headed chance was the biggest miss of them all. He had time to pick his spot, but although he headed it in the right direction, which left the keeper flat footed, he missed the target by two foot. Heading is his strong point, so how he missed that is beyond belief. It’s the chances we’ve missed all season that’s put us where we are. Arma doesn’t miss sitters. Can’t wait to see him back. 😉

  • 8 jayphoto // May 9, 2016 at 1:16 PM

    throwing it out there too, mitro is a decent lad, but his family? absolute loons! They’ll have him out of newcastle before next season, i’m fairly sure of that! Their conduct at partizan, and the way they held out for both porto and roma was pretty heavy handed. My guess is they’ll start kicking off for a loan deal in the summer as i doubt many will look to pay much for him

  • 9 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 1:17 PM

    afternoon bobby

  • 10 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 1:19 PM

    jay
    i think 6-8m for janmaat is a little high but rest,if we get them prices then that will be good business,i expect it may not be s much tbh.

  • 11 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // May 9, 2016 at 1:19 PM

    My worry is that we cant get rid of the deadwood and we end up like QPR with a team going through the motions in the championship

  • 12 hibbitt // May 9, 2016 at 1:20 PM

    Bobbybee

    you and i both rate arma very highly
    do you think the club rate him and if they do why have they not brought him back when we are ddesprat for goals

  • 13 BeeGuy // May 9, 2016 at 1:23 PM

    The worry for me is that there is no one who can organize next season’s team. MA could ask Raffa to be temporary GM to sort out who will replace the ones that were unable to do their jobs. That would be the best thing I can think of in theis case.
    We have to remember that NUFC may not be a prime destination anymore for up and coming players. Stpes have to be taken to make NUFC similar to American small market football clubs like Pittsburgh Steelers or Green Bay Packers. Teams that you never think about as anything but class and carrying on a winning attitude.

  • 14 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 1:24 PM

    hibbitt
    if i may weigh in,i think armas age is his stubbling block,playing such a young kid as a starting striker takes balls and as its been proved mcwally did’nt have any coz his heed would of been on the chopping block had it not worked…plus they had just signed mitro for 12-13m

  • 15 dok - the horrid colonial // May 9, 2016 at 1:24 PM

    songs for sunday..

    5 minutes alone (with Ashley) – pantera
    monkey business (for lee) – skid row
    balls to the wall- accept

  • 16 JAMSHA // May 9, 2016 at 1:24 PM

    seriously why people think Townsend will go? theres no clause in his contract its just paper talks, he wont go along with shelvy only if the FAT THIEF decides to cash in

    Players WHo are 100% Staying ( Main Players)

    Elliot, Darlow, Krul(If Only Fatty Decides To Cash His Gone)

    Anita,Mbemba,jamal,dummet,haidera
    Townsend,Colback,shelvy,aarons,

    perez,mitro,river(50-50 We May sell Him)

    Rafa -90% to Stay

  • 17 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 9, 2016 at 1:27 PM

    I know all teams miss golden chances to score but the TOON this season has taken the biscuit.

    Missed chances open goals wrong decisions in front of goal have cost us our Premiership place.

    Off the top of my head I can name the following missed chances to win games:

    1st game of the season Southampton – had a 3 onto 1 break-away to make the score 3 -1 Cisse should of passed but greed got to him.
    2 points dropped

    Man Utd break-away in last minute again Cisse – greed again.
    2 points dropped

    Mitovich open gaol against Everton when score was 0-0 headed wide
    at least 1 point

    De Jong open goal against Aston Villa to make the score 2-0 – headed wide.
    2 points dropped

    Mitrovich – Saturday open goal
    2 poits dropped

    that is 9 points at least

  • 18 Robiatti // May 9, 2016 at 1:29 PM

    It’s time to look for the best players we can sign for next year. I’m not as clued up as I used to be on the best players in the championship. Who do you think we should sign for next season?
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/5-championship-players-your-club-7210656

  • 19 Jib // May 9, 2016 at 1:29 PM

    It was Rafa’s decision to leave Adam Armstrong where he was – they met on the Monday afternoon at the King Power before we played Leicester away that evening (Rafa’s first game ) .

  • 20 stuart no9 // May 9, 2016 at 1:29 PM

    stuart no9 // May 9, 2016 at 1:15 PM

    2 players we have not replaced over the years is , aan shearer and peter beardsley . Peter beardsley spescially coz it seems that long since he played for us but we havnt replaced that kind of box player every team should have. Ok HBA came close but we blew it with him but he hs been the only player regardless if you like him or not that has come close to having a PB type player that can create, Alan shearer goes without saying, we just havnt bought a striker to replace him . Apart from the normal row over CBs , the big problem has been scoring goals . We need a peter beardsley and we need a alan shearer, where we get them from and howmuch they cost is another matter , but until we fill those 2 positions expect another struggle next season

  • 21 Bobbybee // May 9, 2016 at 1:30 PM

    Hibbett, macca didn’t bring him back because ‘he knew best’. 😉 Rafa made it clear from the start that he wanted to rely on experience to keep us up. The loan move was, in all fairness, going well for the lad and perhaps they thought they didn’t want him having to carry all that responsibility at an early age. The bottom line is, i don’t know, but although i don’t agree, i think i see the logic through the haze. The simple truth is, he’s better than anybody else on the books when it comes to finishing.

  • 22 stuart no9 // May 9, 2016 at 1:31 PM

    82 stuart no9 // May 9, 2016 at 1:22 PM

    jay —– i think with mitros chance , he still had it all to do , colbecks was a simple , keep it low and its in , abit similar to his effort against liverpool

  • 23 jayphoto // May 9, 2016 at 1:32 PM

    @springy – i heard a rumour that janmaat to milan for just under 7m was a done deal.
    Similarly it was mcclaren who decided not to bring back Arma, he showed with his treatment of lascelles and perez that he didn’t really jump at the chance to play younge players. Its possible the club agreed not to recall arma when the loan was extended in january under mcclarens advise

  • 24 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 1:32 PM

    Jay,
    I think even your adjusted fees are too much, Gini has not shone at all, is Sissoko not in his last year. SDJ could probably only go back to Holland so will just wait it out as no one can match his wages. Get more than we paid for Jaanmat, his attitude stinks. I’m with Ohio I don’t think any of them will fetch more than 5M and we’ll be stuck with the deadwood we can’t shift.

  • 25 Jib // May 9, 2016 at 1:34 PM

    Robbiatti
    Will Grigg from Wigan – scores for fun – only 24 years old – 25 goals from 40 games this season so far.
    Got nothing to do with him being in the Championship or FL1 – some PL side will snaffle him this Summer !

  • 26 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // May 9, 2016 at 1:35 PM

    I read somewhere Sissoko is on near enough 55k a week with us ?!?! He would obviously expect more if he was to move on who is going to give him a wage increase ?

    He will no doubt end up warming the bench at Stoke or Palace

  • 27 JP...from The Rock // May 9, 2016 at 1:36 PM

    I bet my left nut that Ashley will keep Lee Charnley on board as nothing has happened and he will continue to destroy this club. How daft can Ashley be to even hire such an incompetent director and still allow him to dismantle the foundations further and cost him more millions in the process.

    Nothing will change and Benitez will leave for pastures new and we will keep dreaming of what could have been as we spiral down to oblivion.

    I hate to sound like such a pessimist but in truth I am a realist. This club only goes from bad to worse and my lingering hopes are all but diminished.

    If we fail to survive which is almost confirmed on Wednesday then I will seriously struggle to put up with anymore of this depressing and heartbreaking club anymore.

    Even now I am angry with myself in that I still hold some meagre belief that we might pull off the unthinkable. That by some miracle we;

    1- survive on the final day
    2- or if we don’t that Benitez stays
    3- if he decides to leave that we will do well growing our youngsters like Armstrong, Aarons, Lascelles, Darlow, Mbemba, etc into a formidable force and bounce back up.

    I really hate myself for not being able to let go of this profound love I have for this club, and I am not even a Geordie but I have been through all the ups and downs of this once great club for over 20 years, and I don’t think it is best use of my time and health to take it all so personal as my patience has been drained. It is no longer the same. I am hardly entertained and am mostly stressed and angry at the constant mess this club always finds itself in.

    If in the future I watch Newcastle United if/when we’re down it will be from afar until we someday are back in the promised land and where we belong.

    The incompetence by Ashley and his cronies has been staggering and have killed us, he has toyed and gambled with all of our emotions far too long and I for one will not take it any longer.

    Sorry for my blabbering but I felt I had to get that off my chest somehow. God knows the missus is sick of hearing me talk of this club. You guys are like my priest in a confession. So long mates.

  • 28 LGFUAD21 // May 9, 2016 at 1:38 PM

    I agree with not bringing Armstrong back.

    Sure he may have offered something different and saved us.

    It couldve also scarred him for life jumping up 2 leagues and then bearing the responsibility of saving us from relegation.

    At least now we have an energised, positive Arma coming into the team at the level he probably should be playing now.

    Get real for a second. I if were to say “We wouldve survived if we had Billy Sharp in the team” what would you all think.

    Sharp has scored 25 goals and 5 assists to Arma’s 20 and 5. That’s the company and level that Arma has played at. Billy BLOOMING Sharp whos previous 3 seasons in the championship have delivered 2(10 Games), 4 (16 games) and 5 (25 games). In fact he’s only ever scored more than 10 goals in 2 of his 12 seasons in the Championship.

    PEOPLE

    Please take off your Black and White tinted glasses and be real for a second. If Arma were to score 15 goals in 35 games for us in the Championship, that’d be a great achievement given his age.

    He’s got a bright future but we cant be heaving the weight of being our “Saviour” on to him.

  • 29 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 1:40 PM

    jay
    if thats true about janmaat then thats cracking money to be fair,i’ve never heard that like so we’ll see i suppose,mcwally was spineless,not willing to even try the younger players and blindly hoping the older players come good,just goes to prove he was never the right choice for this club in the first place tbh.

  • 30 Jib // May 9, 2016 at 1:41 PM

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-fans-could-know-11306181

  • 31 LGFUAD21 // May 9, 2016 at 1:41 PM

    and for the record.

    I wont be happy unless blood is shed in the boardroom and changing room this summer.

    If i had my way id offer Joey Barton insane money, take out a decent insurance policy and let him go drill Sargent on the team.

    WE MUST SIGN BRIT ASSOMBALONGA too.

  • 32 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // May 9, 2016 at 1:48 PM

    Jib

    I have to wonder what they base the following comment on…

    “If Newcastle’s relegation is confirmed in midweek, United chiefs will start making swift arrangements for next season.”

    Since when did anyone do anything that could be described as “swift” at nufc, under Mash?

  • 33 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 1:50 PM

    lgfuad21
    when stating about playing youngins,i didnt make myself to clear when having a go at wally i was thinking more along the lines of lascelles and mbabu,in positions we were really struggling in earlier in the season,i did comment earlier saying armas age was why he was’nt playing for us,just think if wally had more balls we might of been safe now.

  • 34 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 1:52 PM

    ycmiu
    where’s that comment from?

  • 35 lesh // May 9, 2016 at 1:52 PM

    Ok, Ashley’s doing the right thing in making fans think he’ll carry out a review of what went wrong this season. But and realistically, what went wrong’s been patently obvious since Charnley, Carr and to a lesser extent Moncur were handed executive authority to run the Club.

    There’s no need for a formal review as all it’ll do is waste time when a root and branch review of the Club’s more important.

    However, if there is to be any changes at the top, then expect Llambias to be dropped ln us, Charnley relieved of his MD responsibilities – he won’t resign as he’s unemployable after this year’s debacle – Carr to be retained on a consultancy basis and the biggest surprise…… Cathro appointed HC – if be hasn’t been offered a job elsewhere before they get round to making him an offer.

    Ashley must admit his culpability in this disaster of a season by acknowledging he’s the one who’s made the biggest mistake of all – allowing a bunch of incompetents to run the Club into the ground.

  • 36 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 1:54 PM

    lgfuad21
    as much as i think we could do with joey barton kickin ass and taking names,ashley would’nt let him walk past the club nevermind give him a job!…i do know where ya coming from though!lol

  • 37 Bobbybee // May 9, 2016 at 1:54 PM

    I think the point we’re making re Arma is that he wouldn’t miss the chances we’ve been missing – and that’s a fact. He takes more than he misses and we could’ve done with that. His record stands up to any scrutiny. He’s a work in progress, but everything points to him becoming a top striker. I’m not going off a few highlights, i watched all his home academy games – and a few away – and his U21 games. This kid is the real deal and one day we’ll all be singing his praises. Had he not lost his creative players at Coventry, he would have had closer to 30 than 20. Don’t judge him by comparison to Billy Sharp. Arma is a rising star, Sharp missed his chance. Enough said really. 😉

  • 38 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 1:59 PM

    bobby
    question mate……can arma play as the lone striker in a 4-2-3-1 or would he be better in a 4-4-2?

  • 39 Bobbybee // May 9, 2016 at 2:00 PM

    If – and it is still an if – we go down, then i can see the sense in joey barton. He’s been the catalyst in Burnley going up by completely dominating midfield for them, allowing the rest to go forward. Still got another couple of seasons in him, that’s for sure.

  • 40 LGFUAD21 // May 9, 2016 at 2:04 PM

    SPRINGY

    Sorry Springy. That wasnt a dig at you or anyone in particular. Just the overall collective suggestion.

    We’re in a very tough situation to bounce back.

    Because of the squad we have, we will lose the starts and be left with the deadwood who wont cope in the Championship for the same reason as they didnt in the Prem – The tempo and rough and tumble.

    That mean we will have to go out and aggressively cherry pick the best of the Championship and League 1 with some keen picks from the lower Prem.

    For example, we’d need to go after someone like Tom Ince to replace Townsend.

    BUT

    1) The clubs will keep hold of those players because on the face of it Derby look just as likely to go up as we do.
    2) Its a sideways move for the player
    3) The clubs will not want to sell to competition and will charge a premium
    4) The club will push for a Prem seller with all their riches.

    Stability gets your out of the championship, building over time.

    Burnley kept most of their squad intact.
    Boro has been coming for a while
    Brighton has been a longer term project.
    Derby the same.

    Look at other clubs like Forrest who have had no stability and each year get further away from the team that looked like a sure bet title winner 5 years back.

    The same can be said for Cardiff.

    It could be a long ride if we dont get it absolutely spot on.

    Then theres the headache of, if you do get up, how do you cope with having players at the beginning of their contracts still but not good enough for the league. As well as the demoralising effect of casting aside the players that got you there in the first place.

  • 41 stuart no9 // May 9, 2016 at 2:06 PM

    LGFUAD21 ……..”Sure he may have offered something different and saved us.”

    to be honest mate thats all we wanted someone too save us and as you have said he may have done, so how come you are saying that you didnt agree with it ??our only aim was prem survival regardless who saves us

  • 42 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 2:06 PM

    seen khan getting knocked out earlier,cracking punch!….ano khan has a glass chin but that looked like it would floored an elephant tbh!lol

  • 43 Bobbybee // May 9, 2016 at 2:08 PM

    Sorry springy, good afternoon to you too. 😉 personally i like to see him playing alongside a big striker, mopping up second balls and burying them. That said, he can play a lone striker, as long as he’s not expected to challenge with 6’5″ defenders for high balls, like pardew tried – doh! His biggest strength is running the channels, with his lightning first ten yards and cool finishing. I recall him playing with De Jong for the U21’s and DeJong picking his runs with through balls. They caused havoc. Play to those strengths and the sky’s the limit. 😉

  • 44 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 2:09 PM

    LG,
    Until we know what Mikey’s plans are for the club it is pure speculation as to what will happen unfortunately, I doubt he has a clue and surely he’s not going to get advice from the three stooges. Come on Everton.

  • 45 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 2:11 PM

    lgfuad21
    not to worry, it was more a critique(if thats the right word?) of my comment for not explaining my self properly,didnt take it as a dig mate.

  • 46 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 2:14 PM

    bobby
    hangin on to someone like de jong if arma is to come into the squad would be a cracking move,we all seen how good cole was with beardsley,old head with pace and enthusiasm…granted he can stay fit like!

  • 47 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 2:19 PM

    SPRINGY,
    I think we’re stuck with SDJ because of his wages, I think we’ll all be surprised how few do go.

  • 48 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 2:22 PM

    bobby
    a little worry is that rafa (if he stays)seems pretty set in his ways of playing 4-2-3-1….said before and will again,not a fan of this shape and would mean someone either missing out up front out not in there natural position,square pegs round holes scenario…i do wonder if a lot of teams will revert to the traditional 4-4-2 because of leicesters success, it will be interesting to see next season.

  • 49 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 2:25 PM

    jail
    he could actually be a decent player in the championship,if we fall,and if he can get a run of games and confidence,we may see the player a lot us,me included…thought he was.

  • 50 Bobbybee // May 9, 2016 at 2:25 PM

    Springy, if not de jong, someone with his brains would do. You could see when they played together, with de jong behind Arma, that de jong immediately looked for Arma’s run when he got the ball, playing it through on the floor and into his path. It just worked. Seldom did he allow Arma to run offside either, playing it at exactly the right time. Shelvey could do a similar job. Callum Roberts also worked well with Arma, picking the right pass. Arma times his runs well and will often ‘crab’ along the back line, pointing to where he wants the ball. A lot of people are in for a pleasant surprise when they see the kid playing to his strengths. 😉

  • 51 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 2:27 PM

    bobby
    god i hope so we all need soemthing or someone to lift the place,no matter what happens the season.

  • 52 Jib // May 9, 2016 at 2:27 PM

    JP…from The Rock

    “If we fail to survive which is almost confirmed on Wednesday then I will seriously struggle to put up with anymore of this depressing and heartbreaking club anymore.
    If in the future I watch Newcastle United if/when we’re down it will be from afar until we someday are back in the promised land and where we belong. ”

    The very personification of a fair weather fan .

  • 53 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 2:31 PM

    i dont like to wish players ill normally,but i hope cattermole and kirchoff get the shits,defoe pulls his hamstring and is out for the rest of the season and kone gives away a penalty after 30 seconds and is sent off!lol

  • 54 Bobbybee // May 9, 2016 at 2:32 PM

    Springy, if Rafa plays 4231 then Arma is the 1. He plays Cisse there after all and Arma is better at everything he does, apart from heading. He’s quicker, finishes chances better, more intelligent and doesn’t blindly run offside all the time. Obviously if you play 442 you can play the little n large combo that has served us well in the past. Anyway, gotta shoot marra. Catch ya later if you’re still around when i get back. 😉

  • 55 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 2:33 PM

    later mate

  • 56 Bobbybee // May 9, 2016 at 2:37 PM

    Jib, you ain’t wrong there marra. Let’s hope it’s just despondency talking, because that really does sum up a FWF. Come on JP, give ya head a rattle marra, i thought better of you than that. We’re all pissed off with the situation, but ya don’t bail coz the current climate ain’t sunny. Anything might happen.

  • 57 Keith in France // May 9, 2016 at 2:39 PM

    We are in the bottom three because we deserve to be.

    The last few games having given us some hope but it’s all too little and too late, unless there is a final twist with other results.

    The result against AV on Saturday was typical of how we have played all season – without passion, skill, commitment or belief.

    Even with Rafa shouting on the touchline the players didn’t respond, which says a lot about them.

    I hate Sunderland but look at how they responded against Chelsea – can anyone remember when we played like that?

    I think they will win on Wednesday and then that will be it -Championship football for us.

    The only people that will then be happy will be the owners of the other teams in that league who can look forward to bumper gate receipts.

    We can only hope that we can bounce straight back but sadly I am not convinced that will happen but would love to be proved wrong.

  • 58 LGFUAD21 // May 9, 2016 at 2:56 PM

    I personally think 4231 is the best formation for us atm.

    Go 442 and you lose your midfield. You either expose your defence (our defence cant handle that as weve seen all season.) or you lose your creativity by having to protect the defence (City have been guilty of this but it gets masked by their abundance of talent elsewhere)

    433 vs 4231?

    I see little difference. An aggressive opponent can easily push your wide men back from a 433 into what looks like a 4231/451.

    At least in the 4231 your wide men theoretically understand their role in defence and helping out the midfield.

    Theres a reason its the most popular formation. Its one of the most versatile and well balanced.

    442 was the favourite in England because of our kick and rush culture but also it is easiest to coach according to many managers (Viali, Hoddle, Ranieri have all said this in interviews ive read)

    433 is my favourite but you have problems if like I mentioned before, your team is pushed back by better opposition and your wide men decide they dont need to defend because they are part of a front 3.

    People are going on about 442 this season because of Leicester and hating on 4231. Dont forget how Mourinho walked the league using 4231 last season.

    Arsenal and Spurs who are finishing 2nd and 3rd both use 4231 a lot too.

    Our problem hasnt been the formation or system. Its been the players not doing their jobs/not being good enough or suitable.

    Weve not had a defensive mid all season. We’ve not had a striker firing on all cylinders. Weve had number 10s on the wing. We dont even have a left winger.

    Weve had wandering CBs (partly because of no DM), ball watching DMs. No full backs at times (i still dont consider Dummet a LB he just can do a job there).

    Weve not had a playmaker bar 3 games Shelvey turned up for.

    Our wide men havent made runs into the box or even pressed fullbacks.

    None of these things are symptoms of a formation. They are symptoms of poor recruitment and coaching.

  • 59 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 3:01 PM

    Keith,
    Until that lunatic despot that owns us knows what he plans to do with the club it is hard to say whether or not we’ll bounce back up if we go down. I doubt Vincent Tan and the Venky’s sre losing money every month so it could be awhile before he sells up. Would be a massive boost for everyone if they announced Rafa was staying regardless.

  • 60 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 3:18 PM

    lgfuad21
    i dont think our players are good enought to player 4-2-3-1,it looks like they dont understand what is needed of them in certain positions,chelsea have good players,intelligent players by and large thats why they are worth so much money….our lot look clueless tbh…thats why i wonder if a formation change would suit the players better,too late now i suppose.

  • 61 wolfshead@toon // May 9, 2016 at 3:23 PM

    lol at clearout whats the point its been done before and all that happens is shyte players get replaced by players equally as shyte if not worse

  • 62 Ron Knee // May 9, 2016 at 3:39 PM

    I wonder where the pre-season tour will go this year!

  • 63 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 3:42 PM

    Ron Knee,
    Berwick, Carlisle, Darlington and Gateshead, with FC Genk at home.

  • 64 Ron Knee // May 9, 2016 at 3:43 PM

    Jail

    Sounds like a plan!

  • 65 toon kk // May 9, 2016 at 3:51 PM

    Our players are ready suitable for the championship, no doubt some will leave. But we still desperately need a striker that can score. It’s probably the main reason we’re going to be relegated it was overlooked for whatever reason in January.
    Doumbia was a false, just to look like the club acted.

  • 66 Mister Tuff // May 9, 2016 at 4:04 PM

    Lot of folk ranting that Benitez has not said he is going to leave.
    The converse is that he has not said he is going to stay either.
    In fact he has not indicated in any way at all what he is going to do. We will just have to wait and see until after the last game.

  • 67 JP...from The Rock // May 9, 2016 at 4:04 PM

    Jib, BobbyLee- I am certainly not a fair weather fan. I am just so sick of being so hopeful all of the time only to be kicked in the teeth by all these false dawns every time. We already went through relegation once before and it hurt but we got straight back up that time, so the pain was short lived. But this time I really fear for the club.

    I really doubt I will ever truly turn my back on the club, but part of me wants to for taking this beating for so long. That’s what I am saying. But in all honesty I bleed black n white and it’s the main reason if not the only reason why I watch football. Any other match that is not in someway connected to or beneficial to NUFC doesn’t matter to me.

    I pray we get out of this awful mess we’re under as this club deserves to be in the top 8 at least.

    IF is a huge word in football and sadly there are only too many ‘ifs’ related to Newcastle United.

    I still dream of one day reaching the dizzy heights of the summit of the Premier League or challenging the clubs in the Champions League like we used to. It’s all possible as Leicester City have proved magnificently.

  • 68 Mister Tuff // May 9, 2016 at 4:10 PM

    The club/Tubbs/Penfold accepted that mistakes had been made last year.
    These goons despite acknowledging errors have clearly not got it right this season.
    One can only conclude – they have not learnt from their mistakes – whatever they were as they refused to divulge what they were, our demise is clearly due to inept management/making mistakes.
    (also element of blame to the players as well).

    Retaining on the payroll those who have failed will result in the same thing happening again – our recent history substantiates this.

  • 69 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 4:31 PM

    Mister Tuff,
    Aye they wouldn’t admit what they were, my guess is that they thought their only mistake was letting Pardew go and/or appointing Carver. They clearly didn’t view the transfer policy as a mistake or the pursuit of lower league managers to manage a struggling PL club, the bonus scheme or obsession with cost cutting. No the worst mistakes of all were just repeated again and this is where we are now.

  • 70 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 4:39 PM

    I wonder what hapless patsy we would have ended up with had McCardew got Derby promoted, the mind boggles as to which of the 80 candidates from within the footballing world would have accepted the job. It is quite incredible that after turning us down Churnley actually took a chance on his getting sacked rather than get someone credible in to replace Carver.

  • 71 Graeme // May 9, 2016 at 4:49 PM

    Jail – What’s credibility got to do with it?? Our Illustrious Owner and his Three Wise Men simply would not understand the concept!!!

  • 72 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 5:09 PM

    Graeme,
    It was a typo should have said execrable 😀

  • 73 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 5:19 PM

    Would another club pay 15M pound for Wijnaldum after this season’s debacle? Seriously? He looks like a quitter to me. Maximum 8M pounds in a different league and he might be useful.

  • 74 Jib // May 9, 2016 at 5:21 PM

    It would appear Ben Arfa’s travelling to Barcelona is just a piece of agents bollix !

    He has just posted on Nice’s website

    « Je suis à Nice »

    « Je ne suis pas du tout en déplacement à l’étranger, contrairement à ce que j’ai pu lire. Je suis à Nice. Au contraire, je suis uniquement concentré sur la préparation du déplacement à Guingamp comme tous mes coéquipiers. Je suis focalisé à 100% sur mes objectifs avec l’OGC Nice »

  • 75 hibbitt // May 9, 2016 at 5:24 PM

    just remember lads we’re not down yet
    pleased i’m not on a sinking ship with some of you lot
    you would be away before the rats

  • 76 Toon-Barmy // May 9, 2016 at 5:26 PM

    Repost

    Whoever takes the reigns at St. James Park next season is going to have a real job on their hands. IF indeed we do get relegated, our squad will be unrecognisable next season.

    Seydou Doumbia’s loan will obviously come to an end.
    Gabriel Obertan and Sylvain Marveaux are out of contract and have already been shown the door.
    Steven Taylor is also out of contract and it’s unlikely he’ll be given a new deal, regardless of the division we’re in!
    United also need to decide on new deals for youngsters like Aarons, Mbabu and Woodman.

    Another issue is those players who will only have 12 months left on their contracts come the start of next season. Those players are;
    Coloccini, Krul, Tiote, Anita, Cisse, Gouffran, Dummett, Rivière, Bigirimana, Ameobi & Vuckic. New deals will probably be offered to Krul and Dummett but most of them will probably leave.

    The next issue is the “high earners”. Players like Janmaat, Townsend, Wijnaldum and Sissoko are unlikely to be playing in the Championship next season.
    The club may decide to keep a few, possibly Shelvey, Perez and Mitrovic? That remains to be seen.

    Remy Cabella is on his way for around £6m, Florian Thauvin will likely follow.
    Other players that have made little impact, such as Siem de Jong, Massadio Haidara, Henri Saivet and Curtis Good are also under the spotlight.

    So after all that hard work we will be left with the following players;
    Krul (If he signs a new deal)
    Elliot
    Darlow
    Lascelles
    Mbemba
    Dummett
    Colback
    Shelvey?
    Mitrovic?
    Perez?
    Plus a few Under 21’s; Armstrong, Sterry, Toney etc.

    Quite a job to do it seems, with possible departures for more than 25 players!

  • 77 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 5:27 PM

    The first thing that should be cleared out of this club is the owner. Nine years of incompetence. Nine years of complete ignorance of the game. Nine years of idiot executives. How they got Rafa to come even for 10 games is beyond me. One chat with Charnley would be enough to frighten anyone off. Carr is laughing all the way to the bank. What does it matter to him that the club has been destroyed? It’s time to see a new owner with new ideas in.

  • 78 Jib // May 9, 2016 at 5:28 PM

    You know San Miguel was originally brewed in Manila in the Phillipines in the era when the Pacific was pretty much a big Spanish lake.
    What a splendid gargle it is to be sure !

  • 79 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 5:28 PM

    G2,
    Unless this extra TV money has a massive affect on wages and fees I can’t see anyone paying five for him. I don’t know where people were plucking those figures from earlier. 10M for Thauvan, 8M for Sissoko, no one has even heard of SDJ anymore let alone remembered he was an Ajax captain. People are not going to want to pay our cast offs or high earners what they are getting here and how many of them will take a pay cut to leave. We could end up having to make up the difference. But as I said it will be very interesting to see which ones can go very cheap if we go down. Would really explain a lot if it’s the four I think.

  • 80 Jib // May 9, 2016 at 5:28 PM

    It was brewed for the Spanish navy.

  • 81 hibbitt // May 9, 2016 at 5:29 PM

    GeordieTwo

    find us a buyer …………..please

  • 82 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 5:29 PM

    I give us a small chance of beating Spurs. It’s all down to whether or not Sunderland can be held to 1 point from 2 matches while we beat Spurs. So it’s not in our hands anymore. A win at Villa was absolutely essential and we couldn’t do it. We were the first club held scoreless there this season apparently. Another low point.

  • 83 Jib // May 9, 2016 at 5:31 PM

    Ah Geordie2 you have survived the raging infernos !
    Rumour had it you had perished plunging into a blazing Canadian log cabin trying to save your Honey Badgers !

  • 84 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 5:31 PM

    Howay hibbitt,
    That display on Saturday knocked the wind out of nearly everyone, maybe by accepting we’re down is a control of the disappointment if we do, if you really believe we can stay up it might be more painful when we don’t.

  • 85 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 5:32 PM

    Who are the four Jail mate? I would say Sissoko, and Wijnaldum are absolutely desperate to leave. Possibly Krul as well after this disaster of a season. Townsend will be snapped up quickly. Not sure about Mitrovic. He is so slow! I wish I could come up with a new owner hibbit. We don’t seem to appeal to any Saudi billionaires.

  • 86 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 5:35 PM

    I’m still here Jib. The fire didn’t get this far west. Horrible mess out there. I feel sorry for the people but I wouldn’t mind if the entire oil infrastructure burned down. They’re destroying an entire province trying to pull oil out of mud. Then they’re spending a fortune trying to sell oil that costs $80 a barrel in a market where oil costs $45. Nobody said Albertans were clever 😆

  • 87 hibbitt // May 9, 2016 at 5:39 PM

    Jail for Ashley

    stranger things have happened
    if/when we go down i will be as mad as the next man but till we’re down i will believe

    looking forward to seeing Moncur on sunday to see what he has to say about Rafa…… if the news is not already out

  • 88 Ibizatoon // May 9, 2016 at 5:45 PM

    Not sure what the hurry is for the fanbase to be putting “for sale” signs up on the players.

    We’ve got one more game to go and the players who are picked need to put in a performance worthy of the crowd that will be there cheering them on.

    Only once we know which league we’re playing in can any sensible discussion take place. Surely before we decide which players are in and out, we need to know who is making these calls?

    If there are to be changes, the person dictating things needs to be decided on first or what is the point?

    I hope that Ashley is already well in to his review by now. Whilst now is a time for the club to be focused on trying to avoid relegation, that really is more of a matter for Rafa and the players, not the board, so there’s no good reason why decisions shouldn’t be quick.

    That’s what you’d expect if lessons have been learnt anyway.

  • 89 Tsunki // May 9, 2016 at 5:45 PM

    Ooh put me down for a couple of those $80 barrels G2 sounds like a bargain.

  • 90 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 5:46 PM

    G2,
    I think Sissoko, Wijnaldum, Jaanmat and Colback. There was a lot of talk about players not having relegation clauses last time, if the club have insisted on lower wages if we go down then agents may well have i serted get out clauses and just maybe the club have been daft enough to give a mercenary group of players who are only here for a move elsewhere and who they’ve been screwing over with bonuses every year a get out clause if they get relegated!

  • 91 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 5:47 PM

    I don’t know what some of our foreign players think now. De Jong turns up and has his health destroyed. Wijnaldum looks brilliant at home for a few matches then disappears. Sissoko is about as inconsistent as it’s possible to be. Thauvin was a joke. I thought Cabella showed some promise with patience but somebody at the club apparently didn’t. And why look for a decent CB when you can extend the contract of Colo? There’s brilliant management for you.

  • 92 Tsunki // May 9, 2016 at 5:47 PM

    Hibbit I think it’s better for the nerves to lean on the side of probability. Then when the absolute outside chance miraculously happens, the joy will be unlimited!

  • 93 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 5:50 PM

    I’d agree with the first 3 Jail but Colback? I’m not so sure there. He has played fairly well as a DM and wasn’t terrible at LB in an emergency either. I’m thinking he won’t be in demand elsewhere and might stay for a season in the Championship. Right Tsunki I’m contacting Alberta straight away. Can I put you down for 10 barrels a year? They’ll be so pleased.

  • 94 Tsunki // May 9, 2016 at 5:51 PM

    Everton may very well beat mackemville. But I really can’t see Watford getting any points.

  • 95 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 5:51 PM

    If we stay up there will be dancing in the streets! Ibiza will wear his Thong of Jubilence! We will also be watching Sunderland go down! I’m definitely ready for all of that!

  • 96 Tsunki // May 9, 2016 at 5:52 PM

    I don’t know if I’d rather the mackems just beat Everton and be done rather than suffer the agony of the last day, second half both us and the unwashed at nils apiece…

  • 97 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 5:54 PM

    Summary of Ashley’s Review Statement:
    “Hmmmmmm. Ahhhhhhh. Sigh. Yes I see. So Charnley actually is a pillock. Hmmmm. Ooooh that bottom line looks really, really bad. Ugghhhh. Look at that wage bill. I think I going to be sick. Where’s Joe Kinnear? Someone get him for me…..

  • 98 Ibizatoon // May 9, 2016 at 5:55 PM

    Tsunki…Not a crack at you, but luckily, what we think on here, has no bearing on what happens.

    So, to trot out a blog favourite, we shall “wait and see”.

    Is it likely though? Well… 🙂

    G2…You just get me.

  • 99 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 5:59 PM

    I know I do Ibiza mate. It’s the little things that make you, well…. you. It’s your passionate views on nipple massage. It’s your very clever bon mots on here. It’s the way you calm us down when we get wor thongs in knots. It’s your faith in jesper coming back for a small fee and some free technical support for his Manly Men products.

  • 100 hibbitt // May 9, 2016 at 6:00 PM

    Tsunki

    like so many on tyneside the day i was born i signed up for life…….. with no escape clauses

  • 101 Tsunki // May 9, 2016 at 6:00 PM

    Ibiza – Really? I thought collective blog will power really worked. Now I’m really disappointed.

  • 102 Ibizatoon // May 9, 2016 at 6:02 PM

    Tsunki…Sadly, it’s true.

    Sorry.

  • 103 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 6:04 PM

    G2,
    Colback is controversial but lets face it he has just gone missing so many times, always suspicious of players that run down their contracts as well, they’re not the most popular players and have a certain mentality, did he not nearly turn us down for West Ham.

  • 104 Tsunki // May 9, 2016 at 6:05 PM

    Hibbit yeah I get that but we aren’t talking about supporting the team through thick and thin as being the same as privately acknowledging the inevitable. Just because I hold out little hope doesn’t mean I will refrain from urging the lads to fight to the last.

    Yes there’s a bit of moaning now and for good reason it’s been an entire season of wilful neglect by virtually the whole club. But I feel resignation will be replaced by outright anger and bitterness when we discover what the close season plans turn out to be. They’ve treated us all like dirt up to now, no reason they won’t continue to deliver to expectations.

  • 105 Jib // May 9, 2016 at 6:07 PM

    I’m pretty sure we’ll beat Spurs for all Harry Kane’s tough talk.
    That will mean we finish on 37 points.
    The unwashed are on 35 with 2 games to go .
    Two draws will do them to beat us on GD.
    Fat Sam is the king of the drawn game.

  • 106 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 6:13 PM

    I’d agree Jail. I think that one’s up in the air. I’m not sure who in the Prem would want Colback. Possibly one of the newly promoted clubs? For me, he would be worth holding on to because he can fill in at several positions, he’s still fairly young and isn’t injured often and he’s the Ginger Geordie. It’s a must to have one of those. For the Championship Mitro would be worth keeping as well. Perez definitely needs a return to form season. Aarons would finally have to prove himself and the same for Mbabu. We’d need at least 2 new CB’s to replace Colo and Saylor. The list is almost endless in fact.

  • 107 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 6:13 PM

    Jib,
    That’s the toughest part to take is that we’ve made it so easy for them.

  • 108 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 6:16 PM

    We’ll need a damn good manager, some money spent properly and the greatest supporters on the planet to get back up (which we fortunately already have). I still have a tiny bit of hope left but Sam has that lot playing pretty well now….

  • 109 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 6:16 PM

    That bloody Defoe…….

  • 110 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 6:18 PM

    Without him we’d probably survive.

  • 111 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 6:24 PM

    Trouble is though if we get a manager like Adkins at Soton who would have probably plodded them along in mid table, we’ll give him an eight year deal where as Soton got Poccitino in, people thought it a bit cruel but it was the right decision. We got rid of the most popular manager since SBR KK excluded to be replaced by someone simply to keep us mid table.

  • 112 Jib // May 9, 2016 at 6:27 PM

    I’ve got to say you get some cracking days out in the championship.
    Ipswich away sticks in the mind.
    There’s a link twixt the 2 clubs because of SBR
    That day Kevin Nolan got a hat trick and I arrived back on Tyneside 2 days later than the missus expected.
    By gum Suffolk beer is strong !

  • 113 GeordieTwo // May 9, 2016 at 6:29 PM

    Later lads.

  • 114 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 6:29 PM

    Lets pray that Rafa stays and we stay up, let us pray that he stays if we go down and is given the task of rebuilding the club. If not would people be happy with Brendan Rodgers given funds and LC and co given the boot, what will it take to send the fence sitters over the edge.

  • 115 Graeme // May 9, 2016 at 6:42 PM

    Jail, Start off with putting the boot into Penfold, Moncur, Carr etc.
    Once that is done, we may be able to attract a half decent Manager – assuming Rafa decides to exit stage left next week!!

    FCB has a solution staring him in the face with Rafa in place – has he got the brains and the balls to make it happen??!!!

  • 116 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 6:52 PM

    Graeme,
    Do you think Rafa would insist on Watson and Beardsley being given lesser roles?

  • 117 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 6:57 PM

    Can’t help but worry what’s goi g to happen.
    1: Do we stay up
    2: Does Rafa stay if we don’t
    3: Does Mike Ashley try to destroy the club or run us like Cardiff and Blackburn, worse still Charlton.

  • 118 Steel Dust // May 9, 2016 at 7:06 PM

    Massive pro Sunderland bias on TS on radio Sunderland tonight. The reason Legends went out of business is because callers and pundits were more interested in sneering about us than talking about their own clubs. Looks like TS is going the same way.

  • 119 Belfast // May 9, 2016 at 7:16 PM

    Ed did ketsbia do those valuations?

  • 120 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 7:16 PM

    Steel Dust,
    Haven’t listened for awhile, what they sneering about?

  • 121 Tsunki // May 9, 2016 at 7:18 PM

    Must admit I enjoyed the championship season. Got to every game at home, we were always on TV so got to watch some good games again from a camera perspective. Shola on a run until he crocked yep enjoyed it.

  • 122 Tsunki // May 9, 2016 at 7:18 PM

    Belfast I think he did use the Ketsy Equation, yes.

  • 123 cyprus // May 9, 2016 at 7:19 PM

    I’d like Gini to stay, classy player. Sissoko too along with colback.
    But really all can leave as far as I’m concerned. They did not produce the goods. A complete rebuild is in order.
    Sorry Rafa, you too can go. You, how do I put this kindly, failed. Apart from dropping Shelvey, you did nothing to really impress me and you had 30 points to play for.

  • 124 Steel Dust // May 9, 2016 at 7:20 PM

    Jail sneering saying fellas up the road will be in lower divisions for years etc.. no surprise they want to say that but the editorial guys are losing the plot cutting their own throats. If Newcastle fans stop tuning in their bosses will pull the plug.

  • 125 Yo-yo // May 9, 2016 at 7:30 PM

    Rafa is well known for his detailed research on players etc., so he’ll have known before he took the job how poor the side was.
    Whatever chance he put on survival it’ll have slapped him in the face at his first training session that survival was not even 50/50.
    I hope he realised his own professional reputation might be seriously enhanced by moving to a lower level EPL team and rejuvenating them.
    Ranieri has probably achieved more this season than any of the European elite managers.
    So, although he has an option to leave, he may, if he is given enough control, fancy rebuilding us as a power in the EPL and taking us to a cup win, and Europe. He’ll know its a 2-3 season challenge.
    If he leaves nobody will blame him, but where else in the EPL would he go ?
    He seems a guy who wants a challenge. I just hope it isn’t the Spanish national team but the Toon.
    Even after relegation he could take us to a cup win.

  • 126 Yo-yo // May 9, 2016 at 7:31 PM

    ok cyprus so who is your choice to rebuild at the Toon ?

  • 127 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 7:34 PM

    Cyprus,
    You just don’t seem to like Benitez, he has taken this gutless bunch of mercenaries some of whom may well be hoping to be relegated on their longest unbeaten run in nearly two years while making sure we didn’t lose to the mackems for the seventh time in a row. You are well off the mark if you think this has anything to do with Benetiz and are probably out numbered 51 999 to 1.

  • 128 cyprus // May 9, 2016 at 7:37 PM

    No idea. Just not mesmerised by that guy is all. He didn’t make my team produce more chances and unluckily lose. They didnt even play any better. It was, largely, more of the same. His stats are the same as JFK.
    If he stays, fine. But for now, he failed in keeping my team up.

  • 129 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 7:38 PM

    Cyprus,
    You’d like Gini, Sissoko and Colback to stay, three of our biggest gutless no shows but Rafa to go, you want to get your CV into Churnley, you seem to have all the qualifications of the type of person the club likes to employ!

  • 130 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 7:41 PM

    Cyprus @128,
    Five games is our longest unbeaten run in nearly two years ffs, what does that tell you?

  • 131 cyprus // May 9, 2016 at 7:42 PM

    The thing is jail if it has nothing to do with Rafa then Steve is also partly exonerated.
    We blame the spineless players, ok. But we do it for all.
    Maybe Rafa is a genius and had no time to prove it.

  • 132 Belfast // May 9, 2016 at 7:45 PM

    Cyprus he’s not Jesus like. We would have probably have been dead and buried a few weeks ago under most others.

    Not having a goalscorer has killed us in the end.

  • 133 cyprus // May 9, 2016 at 7:46 PM

    20% win rate. JFK did better. Not in a war about Rafa, he may be amazing, I just didn’t see it.
    Not sure I get the CV point.
    I am upset with my team not you guys. Sorry if it comes off that way

  • 134 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 8:05 PM

    cyprus
    your entitled to your opinion and thats fine mate,you would agree though, that the club needs a rebuild yes?…..so who would you rather that rebuild was in the hands of… rafa a bloke with a vast experience,a winning background,a hugely respected person in football with contacts up the wazoo or someone like mcwally,pardew,carver or pearson?…,tbh pearson is someone who might be able to kick some arse and get the first team playing a bit, but not to rebuild the club,i seriously doubt theres a fan out there that would’nt want rafa to come into there club especially the state of our club at the moment.

  • 135 Laurent Robert 32 // May 9, 2016 at 8:10 PM

    Cyprus, it’s like a big ship turning – it can’t be revitalised in an instant.

    I’d say that the players are far more organised as a team, midfield is closer to attack and defence, and far better balanced. Players not being ragged out of position hugely as a line. They look nervous at times but gradually more confident.

    Under Pinocchio the gap between the forward and the midfield was criminal. The balance resembles a proper team.

    Rafa’s already stopped the 6 in a row losses against Sunderland we managed to score against them for the first time in about 5 games.

    Mitro has picked up a few goals.

    We’ve come back from losing positions against credible clubs.

    We’ve also scored in 5 or 6 games in a row which we have not done all season.

    Good performances from a number of players.

    All in all it will be gradual, but they are the things that I see have been rather big plus points.

    Villa was unfortunate that Colback missed, but they’ve scored a few goals in there last couple of games.

    There’s more things, but that’s just off the top of my head. Oh, and the good length of times he allows for subs to influence the game.

    All of this with a side with morale at rock bottom. I wanted him years ago and think he’s great.

  • 136 U.S Magpie // May 9, 2016 at 8:13 PM

    This thread has no barring on anything right now. We don’t yet know although likely that we will be relegated. We also don’t know if Rafa has fallen in love with the City and Fans and will stay with the club. Those two things have more bearing on players leaving than anything else.
    Here’s the thing, until this Wednesday evening we don’t know anything, then if things go our way until Saturday we don’t know anything and if we get to Saturday and things don’t go our way we will have to wait until Rafa has a press conference with what he decides. All this means nothing until at least Wednesday / Saturday or Sunday or Monday.

  • 137 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 8:14 PM

    Cyprus,
    How can McCardew be exonerated he was not just the manager but part of the board that decided or went along with the decision not to brink defenders in, I actually believe that certain players wamt us down, how can a manager change that mindset with ten games to go. He has won every club honour in the game and you’re comparing him with JfK. I think you’ve lost your mind.

  • 138 Steel Dust // May 9, 2016 at 8:32 PM

    Mitro will eat championship defenders if he stays.

  • 139 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 8:35 PM

    if we drop,will we keep 4 keepers?…i doubt it, so krul might be away,personally if mbabu can keep himself fit he has to come into the side,preferably for janmaat,i would stick with dummett at left unless we can get robertson from hull,i think tiote may move on,good payday for him and the club,would like to see what saivet has to offer,colback grafts but we need to see if this lads better.

  • 140 Steel Dust // May 9, 2016 at 8:35 PM

    Leeds will be in the promo frame next season, their time in the wilderness is just about over.

  • 141 Rotonda heights // May 9, 2016 at 8:44 PM

    cyprus

    you are one special kind of a pathetic cretin calling Rafa a failure.

  • 142 Setchell // May 9, 2016 at 8:46 PM

    Just incase anyone interested, tickets are back on sale for the Tottenham game. Not sure why or how but I have bought mine.

  • 143 Jail for Ashley // May 9, 2016 at 8:50 PM

    Rotonda,
    That’s a bit harsh but it made me angry when he’s basically telling the guy to sling his hook while backing Wijnaldum and Sissoko. He’s the first ever manager we’ve had under Ashley that has came in under his own conditions, the first appointment we’ve all been happy with in seven years and one that the crowd has fallen in love with.assive disrespect thete Cyprus.

  • 144 Novocastrian66 // May 9, 2016 at 9:01 PM

    Colback trying to lay some of the blame for us failing to win on Saturday to the beach ball demonstration would be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic.
    He doesn’t know how we didn’t win. Well I do; He couldn’t hit the target from no more than ten yards. Cisse kept mis hitting shots. We couldn’t keep possession and build pressure. We didn’t get enough players forward and sat too deep in the first half. I could go on for hours.
    The beach balls is just another excuse for a bunch of abject footballers who will look for any reason to explain their pathetic efforts, instead of looking closer to home. Bunch of losers.

  • 145 Graeme // May 9, 2016 at 9:08 PM

    Jail at 116 – Lesser Roles?? I guess redundant would qualify as such.
    They have proven, beyond all doubt, they are unfit for purpose!!
    Get rid.

  • 146 Bobbybee // May 9, 2016 at 9:34 PM

    Yes springy, trust you’re in fine fettle. Hibbett @100, couldn’t put it any better marra. 😉

  • 147 Bobbybee // May 9, 2016 at 9:41 PM

    The bookies have us gone – but they had Leicester at 1500/1 to win the league. 😉 If you had to pick any side to mess up from this point, it would be sunlun surely? Complacency in believing they’ve done it already? Anything can happen yet, no matter how unlikely it might look. I’m living on hope and belief. Hope sunlun mess up on weds night and fall to pieces at watford and belief we can beat spurs at home. It all might look very different this time weds night. 😉

  • 148 Bobbybee // May 9, 2016 at 9:49 PM

    Setchell, just out of curiosity, where are your tickets for?

  • 149 Our Toon // May 9, 2016 at 10:03 PM

    Gotta love the optimism but it’s the same optimism which has kept Ashley at the club for all these years, blind faith in the hope something will go our way. In all reality we deserve to go down, this has been on the cards for a few seasons now and no one can we don’t deserve to go down with the constant mismanagement. To little to late in terms of bringing in rafa, he should have been bought in after Christmas or at the very latest when the club had an 2 week break in Feb.

    I came to terms with going down a long time ago, got blasted by the likes of wwsbrd for saying we wouldn’t get a win at villa, when all we’ve had is 2 away wins all season. We have to beat spurs at home even of its not all done and dusted before then….the chances of us staying up are less than Leicester winning the league at the beginning of the season. Those attending enjoy the last game of the season, hopefully you reconsider your position come next season and finally vote with your feet by boycotting!!

  • 150 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 10:21 PM

    bobby
    areet mate,its ganna be gut twisting when the mackems play,doubt al watch it,but no doubt everytime my phone buzzes im ganna drop a brick!….all along i said if we can make a challenge till the last game then i’d be happy,coz from the position we were in before rafa came we would probs done and dusted and on our way down by now,yes villa was disappointing but always had a thought at the back of my head we would cock it up some how or the footballing gods would kick us in the bollicks….a few early goals from everton and a sending off would make that nyt a little easier like!lol

  • 151 SPRINGY // May 9, 2016 at 10:29 PM

    our toon
    i stated on here back after the villa at home we needed to get rid of mcwally, as who ever came in needed time and a transfer window to sort this shite out.
    at the time fair enough we would’nt of got rafa but we might be safe now,sitting on there hands doing sweet fa,backing the grinning fool has cost us…it is doubtful we’ll stop up now and that is painful when we seen it coming so long ago…yet the numpties in charge could’nt.

  • 152 jimmysmith // May 9, 2016 at 10:43 PM

    It would appear our most realistic hope by some distance, and possibly only hope of bouncing back and staying back, is keeping Rafa. Who certainly is a manager of sufficient calibre to do what is an almost impossible job. He has been hugely impressive in terms of media, and seemingly tactically. However, he slipped up when he said you don’t always finish where you deserve, and that we have been unlucky. The stats suggest otherwise. We have an 8 goal inferior goal difference to a poor Sunderland side, are the only team in the league not to have defeated Villa, and our points tally under Rafa has been none too dusty either. He clearly ran out of games, but that isn’t bad luck.




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