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Why We Think Rafa Benitez Is Leaving Newcastle

1:46 pm, Thursday, May 12th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 119 Comments

If Rafa Benitez does leave Newcastle this summer,  probably next week, then Newcastle are basically dead and buried – and the news is that they will then turn to the likes Geordie Steve Bruce as the new manager will hardly inspire the Newcastle faithful.

The fans’  dreams of Newcastle’s greatness have been torn apart ever since Mike Ashley bought the club in late May of 2007.

Since then the club has spiralled downwards in almost every category and we are again the laughing stock of the nation.

The one hope we have is Rafa stays on Tyneside but Newcastle icon Alan Shearer seems 100% certain he will walk away from Newcastle.

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Rafa Benitez

The thing that really worries us about Alan’s comments is that he may have talking to Rafa, so he knows what Rafa’s real thinking is.

Rafa made a point o telling everybody that he talked to Alan a few times before he first accepted the job at Newcastle in March.

This is what Alan said about Rafa on  BBC 5 Live:

“A guy of great stature, a world-renowned coach with his CV managing in the Championship?” “I can’t see it happening.”

“I’d love to be wrong.”

“It would be brilliant if he was to stay.”“I know it’s a huge football club and I know he’s been very impressed with how the fans have taken to him but I’d be amazed if he stayed.”

“I’m sure he’ll have loads and loads of offers, not only from the Premier League but from around the world.”

“When you’ve been flirting with relegation for so long the inevitable will happen.”

“When you don’t address problems that have been glaringly obvious for years then, ultimately, you get what you deserve.”

“That’s one thing Newcastle have been good at this season, putting statements out.” “Maybe they should have looked at what went wrong a bit earlier.”

“It might be a bit late to look at it now.”

If Rafa leaves it would be devastating to fans who may have to do with Steve Bruce, Tony Pulis or a similar type of mediocre manager.

Not unlike Steve McClaren – come to think of it.

Newcastle will be in serious trouble and will lose significant support around the world and in fact that has already happened since people will not be able to watch the team play on TV next season.

It’s all very tragic and to hear that the Chronicle believe the incompetent Lee Charnley will likely stay on as Managing Director is simply appalling.

Where is the accountability at Newcastle?

There is none and that’s one reason the club is now in a complete mess from top to bottom.



Tags: Coaching · Management · Prayer · Premier League




119 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Slank // May 12, 2016 at 1:48 PM

    I would think that Everton have more to do with the possibility of Rafa leaving than anything Shearer had said.

  • 2 Malackay // May 12, 2016 at 1:51 PM

    Rafa will go to Everton…….. begs the question….. who’s next manager through the door?

    Pearson the obvious choice for me. I’d even make an argument for Pulis ifhe doesn’t renew at WBA

  • 3 c-dog // May 12, 2016 at 1:51 PM

    Sacking Graham Carr with immediate affect would help my mood. How often does that fraud turn up at SJP?

  • 4 Jib // May 12, 2016 at 1:52 PM

    http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/everton/next-permanent-manager

  • 5 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // May 12, 2016 at 1:53 PM

    FDB has expressed interest in the everton job already. Koeman and pellegrini also linked. No mention of raffa. He was also a very popular Liverpool manager, so there is plenty working against him being next everton boss

  • 6 Ibizatoon // May 12, 2016 at 1:54 PM

    Slank…Not to be rude, but I don”t care what Everton do next, was only pointing out that clubs apparently do act quickly when they recognise someone isn’t doing the job they were hired for. Meanwhile at Newcastle…

    Bobby…I don’t believe I suggested we call him names. I didn’t actually suggest ahy particular action, nor do I plan to. Merely opening a dialogue to discuss our options (of which there are likely a fair few).

    Ashley has been looking for a buyer for some time? I’m not aware. In fact, didn’t they come out just over a year to go to say it categorically wasn’t for sale (at any price I believe)?

    He’s invested money. So have you and other fans. Yes, it’s his call ultimately, all I’ve suggested is we try and make him factor in people like you when making decisions.

    Does he know what we think of him? I don’t. I think he thinks we like a good whinge and then we’ll just go with the flow. Hard to argue with really.

    Of course he cares. That myth was blown out of the water following the hiring of Keith Bishop and the PR overdrive that has followed.

  • 7 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // May 12, 2016 at 1:56 PM

    David moyes more likely to return to everton (14/1) than raffa going there (16/1). I still think he will leave us, but would like to be wrong

  • 8 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // May 12, 2016 at 1:58 PM

    Makalay

    Now why would have to spoil everyones day by bringing pulis into focus!? If we end up with him, i will burn every thing i own that has any relation to nufc!

  • 9 Malackay // May 12, 2016 at 1:59 PM

    Remember bookies have about as much of a clue about next managers as we do. That’s why they bet to such a large % on their books and why they will only lay small bets. They use it as a way to bring in new customers and often lose in these types of markets.

    Worth considering…..

  • 10 Mister Tuff // May 12, 2016 at 2:00 PM

    Didn’t know that Mr Tubbs was trying to sell the club – where did this come from.
    I think you’ll find that the current position was declared 2 years ago when Mr Tubbs said he was not going to sell at any cost and not before the season end in 2016.

    Which does not state he is going to sell in summer this year, but that it will not be sold before that.
    Last season we had Tubbs saying he was not going anywhere.
    So the only thing we do know is that time date now -the club is not up for sale.

  • 11 SPRINGY // May 12, 2016 at 2:01 PM

    considering rafas family is still on merseyside,i think he would take the grief he would get for going there to be with his family and most liverpool fans would probably understand his point of view,might not like it, but would understand.

  • 12 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // May 12, 2016 at 2:02 PM

    merseyside derbys with raffa in the blue dugout would be interesting affairs…. especially the anfeild ones

  • 13 Bobbybee // May 12, 2016 at 2:03 PM

    The real laughing stock is those writing off our entire future next to a sign saying ‘We believe’. Ed, marra, ya change like the weather. Nobody knows what will happen yet, nothing has been decided. The only fact is that we’re in the Championship next season and need to prepare for it. Nothing can be done until Rafa decides where he’s going to be next season and the inquest into the suspicious death of NUFC reaches its conclusions. The evidence points to our illustrious board being guilty of at best, gross negligence.

  • 14 bettyswallocks // May 12, 2016 at 2:03 PM

    Rotonda…….. Your views on Martinez, Townsend etc. etc. just go to show that you are a poor judge of football matters .

  • 15 Ibizatoon // May 12, 2016 at 2:06 PM

    https://twitter.com/ynfa_thehub/status/716550443329925121

  • 16 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // May 12, 2016 at 2:08 PM

    Bobby

    Yeah, but as has been stated often, the people responsible for the death of the club are the ones doing the investigation.

    Churners and co will be coming out with “Well, we have worked hard to get to the bottom of it, and have concluded that cosmic radiation permeatating through high levels of asteroid dust, made a bright glow that our players eyes were particularly sensitive to, due to certain types of pollen in the north east area”.

  • 17 Bobbybee // May 12, 2016 at 2:09 PM

    He said he wants out many times, but he won’t sell because he can’t get his money back right now,p which is the reason he said we’re stuck with him. Buying the club has been a disaster for both parties and he’s already said he regrets it. Right now, nobody is willing to reach his asking price. Why would he want to stay?

  • 18 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 12, 2016 at 2:14 PM

    Hail for Ash

    Ross McCormack I was banging on about him last season and in the transfer window
    He would be the first player I would sign.
    Kept Fulham in the championship
    Seen him up here when we beat LEEDS who as usual were the better team on the day and Ross McCormack ran our defence ragged and thumped the bar with a 25 harder.

  • 19 Bobbybee // May 12, 2016 at 2:14 PM

    YCMIU, Ashley will decide on their future, not Charnley and Carr. He already told them they were getting no more money, so I reckon they’re gone myself. But, like everybody else, I have no inside info and that is merely speculation. It appears some on here have crystal balls and direct contact with them, so you might be better off asking those those in the know. 😉

  • 20 SPRINGY // May 12, 2016 at 2:16 PM

    i would like to hear what the plan is,yes ana the season is’nt over,but they must of had talks after the weekend,why concentrate on the spurs game when theres a whole season to get sorted from top to bottom….as you might of guessed,patience was never my strong point!.

  • 21 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 12, 2016 at 2:20 PM

    Anyway who the F88K scouts in this country if Carr is always on the continent.
    And if he is on the continent how the F88K does he know what we want over here i.e. for over two seasons we have needed a Centre Forward and a Centre Half – managers have told him what he wants and ignores them by bringing in more unweight french midfielders/wingers

  • 22 Ibizatoon // May 12, 2016 at 2:21 PM

    Bobby…You said “are you not aware that Ashley is looking for a buyer, and has been for some time?” then followed it up with “He said he wants out many times”.

    Wanting out and looking for a buyer are two different things. He’s also said he wants to win things. He also said he’d continue to invest in the club. He’s also said there’s no money left so don’t come crying to him.

    Bottom line, if he wants out, he’ll find a way.

    I’m not so keen to try and work out Ashleys mind, but what we can do to make him actively look to sell. Not just price it out of the market.

  • 23 bettyswallocks // May 12, 2016 at 2:22 PM

    As long as Ashley is still here, the best we are going to get is being allowed to spend the money the club generates. Where he needs to show some ambition is engaging the right people to spend it.
    Ashley is never going to take a hands on role but surely he can see now that jobs for the boys isn’t going to work.

    He wants to advertise his Shyte and he wants the club to run at a profit but within these peramators we could still have a team that competes.
    I can’t accept that given the choice he would prefer the team to lose rather than win. It makes no sense whatsoever.

  • 24 Hail Wor Ashley // May 12, 2016 at 2:28 PM

    Charlie

    Aye, he has pretty much the best record of any current Champiosnhip ST and is consistently scoring 1 in 2 in poor teams and at 29 is the perfect senior ST to share the burden with Armstrong. Given Fulham were already making losses granting them an embargo, entering the final year of their parachute payments they’re gonna be under even more financial pressure. They bought him for £11m, £10m would get him.

    Very good clean striker of the ball which shows in his set-piece ability too. By God do we need a ST that’s a clean technician when it comes to that most foundational of ST requirements, being able to hit the ball and send it where you bloody want.

  • 25 stuart no9 // May 12, 2016 at 2:33 PM

    Ah . So , psychic AL said Benitez is leaving . It must be true.
    By the way AL . Could you give me the numbers to this weeks lottery mate ?

  • 26 Bobbybee // May 12, 2016 at 2:33 PM

    Charlie, you ain’t off the mark there, which all points to gross negligence by our board. They’re to blame for the majority of our woes and the wasting of millions of pounds, not to mention relegation and the huge loss of finance, along with free worldwide advertising for the knacka. I’m really struggling to find one single reason as to why he would think they’ve done a good enough job to retain them. NUFC is a business to Ashley and it’s failing badly. We know it and he knows it. The idea that he’ll keep them on because he hates us is just ludicrous. Their jobs are untenable. Not one person on here would retain them. Not because we dislike them immensely, but because they’ve failed hugely in their jobs. He will lose all credibility within the business world if he allows this to continue, which will damage him even more. As much as I dislike his handling of our club, I don’t think a man who has made so much money is an idiot. We’ll see anyway, because right now it’s all speculation.

  • 27 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 2:36 PM

    Ashley said the club was not for sale at any price. That means he doesn’t want or need to sell. But was that when he was convinced we would start start start pl? He is now deep in consultation, or should be, about the financial ramifications, diminishing returns, of languishing in the second tier. Not just life after umbrella payments but reduced ticket prices, reduced gate receipts because of falling attendance, low input by SD now their worldwide as campaign will be severely curtailed, less catering, merchandising. It points to another chancer/clown/has-been/budget/yes-man Manager, a squad judged and assembled solely by ledger entries, and if this doesn’t keep the books balanced, a carving up of any tangible assets and emptying the bank account to get his loan back (tbh I think the parachute payments will be earmarked for that) and then selling at a modest loss because, over the length of his tenure he has on average made a tidy sum or enabled his beloved SD to do so.

    Cue the myth “there are no buyers out there” – biggest load of codswallop going. it’s like saying Alaska doesn’t exist because you haven’t been there and seen it yourself ha ha. There are rich opportunists out there biding their time. Have to accept they may be as bad or worse, but equally may be quite passionate, who knows. But it’s got a good chance of happening.

  • 28 SPRINGY // May 12, 2016 at 2:37 PM

    ashley doesnt look like the type of bloke to be known a failure…his business ego is to big for that,but that being said this club must be a big ball ache to him,i would hope he would sell up,but we all know thats not likely to happen unless a mysterious big offer appears from somewhere to allow him to claim back almost all,if not all he has invested…he will never leave taking a big loss..the man is to greedy thats how he is what he is…a billionaire….the way he has run this club cant be making as much money as it could if it were challenging the top half of the premier,but i dont no if he’ll be losing as much we think being relegated….i dont no the finances tbh…but the running of the club has to change….he must see this is not beneficial to him.

  • 29 Lindisfarne // May 12, 2016 at 2:37 PM

    Can we have the first 17 minutes of “Sack the Board!” followed by a minutes applause and then the remainder of the match singing “Rafa Benitez!”.

  • 30 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 2:38 PM

    Bobby – he’s made a lot of money but it doesn’t immunise him from his idiocy. He’s had ten years to prove his SD model applies to a PL club and cam be happily integrated with it. When he started, we had just been a regular CL side. Ten years. TEN.

  • 31 Ibizatoon // May 12, 2016 at 2:40 PM

    In business, value isn’t determined by what you paid for something, it’s what people are willing to pay for it.

    Also, another piece of general business knowledge, if the customer isn’t happy and kicks up a fuss, the product is changed or the company goes out of business.

    Ashley has set this up as a business, so we unfortunately need to look at it the same.

    Bobby…You think Ashley has credibility in the business world?

    It’s never been a question of him being an idiot, just having differing priorities than the fans.

    NUFC may have lost out, but how has MASH holdings done? I would have thought that will be a factor when reviewing how his board have done this season. As you say, we will see.

  • 32 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 2:42 PM

    Al’s right actually. Rafa risking his reputation on failing to promote a championship side? Daft. Brave but daft.

  • 33 Bobbybee // May 12, 2016 at 2:42 PM

    Wanting out and looking for a buyer are two seperate things? Really? Find him a buyer and he’ll snap your hand off. He won’t find one in the Championship, because we ain’t worth what he’s spent, unless somebody has great foresight and sees us as a long term investment. We live in hope. The reality is that we’re stuck with him until that day happens. Nothing we do will persuade him to sell at a loss. He’s a greedy horrible billionaire and our concerns are not his. This is real life.

  • 34 bettyswallocks // May 12, 2016 at 2:42 PM

    Freddy Shepherd said this morning on TalkSport that if Ashley wanted to sell he could put a consortium together to buy the club immediately.

    With all the money from TV now in the game, the worry would be some group coming in with money borrowed against future income which would give us less money in the kitty than we have now . Unless of course fat Freddy or someone similar ramps up the borrowing . There are lots of clubs in the PL with less money available than us but obviously with more capable people spending it.

  • 35 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 12, 2016 at 2:43 PM

    Bobby bee
    I don’t understand the logic in Ashley.
    If I were the boss and appointed peoples on a large salary to look after my company ‘Newcastle United’ and given them a wedge of money to spend.

    I would of had them in my office and told them Carr and Charmless to clear their desks – NOW!!!!

    Leicester have shown us what to do – spent 28 million – Champions
    got in a decent manager bought wisely old and young players who have shown with the right attitude and wanting to play for the club what you can achieve.
    Newcastle United – spent 80 million plus second bottom by Sunday night – wrong manager – young players who don’t give a stuff as long as they are getting paid at the end of the week.

  • 36 Ibizatoon // May 12, 2016 at 2:47 PM

    Bobby…A while back someone said to me that instead of listening to what people say, I should look at what they do.

    As I pointed out before, Ashley has said lots of things.

    Have you seen anything to show that he wants out or is looking for a buyer, as you claimed?

    Yes, they are two different things. Wanting out is the emotion, looking for a buyer the action.

    Saying I’m hungry doesn’t fill my belly. On that note, I’m off to make a sandwich.

  • 37 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 2:48 PM

    Bobby – your view is simplistic. Expediency takes precedent over risk. Ashleys finances will be scrutinised over over long term to see what the overall gains are, I’m sure they are appreciable. it’s under this climate he will adjudged whether to cut the losses that are impending.

  • 38 Jib // May 12, 2016 at 2:48 PM

    “Tsunki – Cue the myth “there are no buyers out there” – biggest load of codswallop going. it’s like saying Alaska doesn’t exist because you haven’t been there and seen it yourself ha ha.”

    No it’s not
    One of your best efforts yet at false dichotomy
    😎

  • 39 Bobbybee // May 12, 2016 at 2:48 PM

    Ibiza, at last! My point exactly. His priorities are not ours. He couldn’t possibly care less what we think and, sadly, as the owner, he has the final shout. And yes, i do think he has credibility in the business world, as it is full of obnoxious greedy ruthless people – just like him. Let’s just wait and see what the inquest brings before jumping to any conclusions. If you can find one good reason as to why he might retain people who’ve failed and cost him a small fortune, then good on ya – cos i can’t. 😉

  • 40 Spoof // May 12, 2016 at 2:50 PM

    Not sure that Rafa would go to Everton, that would be a bit like Keegan or Shearer going to Sunderland, I doubt very much that Rafa would do that, would he take over a team outside the PL, we don’t know but big name managers have done so in the past, KK did, in fact he done it twice with Fulham and again with Man City, so lets just hope.

    What is in our favour is that Rafa loves clubs where the fans live and breath football, Liverpool, Milan, Real etc, we aren’t in the same league as those as clubs but as passionate fans we are and that is what he craves and in all honesty there aren’t that many clubs around like us and those others that he has managed, so as daft as it sounds I wouldn’t rule him out as he does seem to follow his heart as much as his head at times !

  • 41 Ibizatoon // May 12, 2016 at 2:57 PM

    Bobby…”At last”…not quite. That point has not been argued, certainly not by me.

    It’s the “He couldn’t possibly care less what we think”.

    Please do explain what Keith Bishop’s purpose is then?

    For a second, forget the action needed, are you truly suggesting that businessmen cannot be shifted or forced in to change by the power of the consumer?

    I don’t need to think of a good reason to keep the board hired. As I alluded to, I imagine how the MASH pot has done, is far more important than the NUFC pot.

    I also believe the board was put in place to provide scapegoats, so fully accept that if needed, they’ll be gone. Doesn’t mean they will be quite yet though.

    I can’t think of a good reason for them not to have been fired already, yet it’s Charnley releasing statements for the club.

  • 42 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 12, 2016 at 2:59 PM

    Rafa’s Project….
    Might stay a big might if Ashley gives him a FREE hand to do what he wants/needs to get us back into the premiership and NOT to be bumping along in the bottom six year after year.

    I know he likes the club – but know I do not want Freddie Shepherd and his hangers on back at the club – need to move on if possible

  • 43 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 2:59 PM

    Really, Jib? The reason we know Alastair exists is because of the weight of accumulated evidence so we don’t actually have to go there to believe it.

    Likewise we know rich businessmen with spare money exists. We know historically that football club owners come from that pool. Now let’s see if the marbles in your head roll into place, slowly.

  • 44 Bobbybee // May 12, 2016 at 3:01 PM

    Tsunki, do you deliberately only listen to the bits Ashley says that back you up? Did he not say that he bought the club with the best of intentions, which included making us great again? Did he not say that he thought he could apply his business plan to a football club, but got it completely wrong? He has admitted all this. He said he simply doesn’t get football and it was a mistake he now regrets. Which was his reasoning behind the board and him stepping backwards. Sadly, he got that wrong too. Wrong people, who’ve let him and us down. Is it not wise to wait and see before making sweeping statements that generally turn out to be wrong? Nobody knows what the future holds and won’t until the inquest is done and dusted. I personally think he’ll replace them, because they couldn’t have got it more wrong if that had been their remit. But that’s just my simplistic view. 😉

  • 45 Mister Tuff // May 12, 2016 at 3:04 PM

    Mr Tubbs might not give a damn what Toon supporters think of him.
    I would think that however thick skinned he is, a constant rumbling in the background that Toon fans think he has cocked up his running of the cub -made poor decisions will have a detrimental effect to him in the greater business world – where others will now start to question his leadership in the tat clothing world. He will not like that.
    We know he’ll not be gone until he decides to go -but that should not stop fans displaying their disgust at his running of the club.

    Can Rafa function – under the present set up – if it does not change – I would say no.
    Personally I think he might be off.

    Should the board be sacked – of course they should – not just this season where they have failed.

    Do some of the players bear some responsibility for our demise – of course they do.

    WereToon fans too prepared to believe all the codswallop coming out of SJP – of course they were.

    Do Toon fans hope for a better future – of course they do.

    Lot of folk on here arguing about the same things.

  • 46 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 3:05 PM

    Good old Alastair 😀 I’m sure he’s real.

    Alaska ha ha

  • 47 Bobbybee // May 12, 2016 at 3:06 PM

    Ibiza, once more we’re going round in circles. Pointless, meaningless circles. Let’s move on.

  • 48 Spoof // May 12, 2016 at 3:07 PM

    Not sure that I would fire Charnley, yes I accept that he has been piss poor at times but then again he has got Mike Ashley spending some money on the team, which is a first, granted he made a huge error giving SM the job and continuing to allow Graham Carr to spend that said money, however it does appear as if he has learnt from his mistakes as we can only assume as we don’t know for sure, but we have to assume that if Rafa was to stay then he would be in control of transfers so in a sense Carr would have been sacked, call Charnley what you like but if he can get us into a position where we have Rafa as our manager with Rafa taking charge of the transfers then for me that would put us in our best position since Ashley took over, so with that in mind I would stand by Charnley even though his record is poor, at least he give us hope, a hope which we are still clinging onto !

  • 49 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 3:08 PM

    Bobby – well I suppose if Mike was lying I’d have to change my mind.

    I agree with you about the oafs on the board though, no dispute there from me.

    I’m saying that despite what he said about being not for sale, that business matters will decide for him, and if the analysts say bale out, he will. It won’t be at our convenience though that’s for sure.

  • 50 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 3:09 PM

    As Mr T says, we are all, despite our differences of viewpoint, swirling around the same plughole, sadly.

  • 51 Shadow_Shearer // May 12, 2016 at 3:11 PM

    The chances of rafa staying on is very slim. He would be more than welcome to stay on with the fans & im sure the board aswel. But I think we need to look at other options.

    I think martinez would be the perfect man, plays an entertaining style of football, doesn’t ask for loads of money. & he would have a season in the championship to gell the team togther. Also would have us back up in 1 season. But not sure if martinez would come.

  • 52 Ibizatoon // May 12, 2016 at 3:12 PM

    Bobby…I don’t think we are, but that is of course your choice.

    I am interested to know your thoughts on “For a second, forget the action needed, are you truly suggesting that businessmen cannot be shifted or forced in to change by the power of the consumer?”

    I am off. Not sure what can be said to Charnley gives us hope (not suggesting you said that, Bobby).

  • 53 davis_toons // May 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM

    True. #50

    “Mauricio Pochettino: Tottenham boss signs contract extension”

    Mike Ashley have no intention of retaining Rafa.

  • 54 Mister Tuff // May 12, 2016 at 3:15 PM

    I do not think Tubbs has ever said publicly he does not get football.
    I believe it was King Percy who said he didn’t.

    no dispute that he dooes not indeed get it – just who said it.

  • 55 Bobbybee // May 12, 2016 at 3:15 PM

    Tsunki, which is my point about waiting to see what the inquest brings marra. We all have differing opinions and that’s what makes a blog a blog, it’s just that I don’t see the point in arguing over what might or might not happen. I put up my reasoning behind why i feel the board needs to go, but hey, I’m not making those decisions. Logic says sack the lot, that’s where I’m coming from. Will it happen? God knows! 😉

  • 56 bettyswallocks // May 12, 2016 at 3:18 PM

    Tsunki….. Is this Alistair from Alaska a financial consultant?

  • 57 Bobbybee // May 12, 2016 at 3:21 PM

    Ibiza, I’m sure in certain circumstances that the consumer can effect the powers that be, but football is emotion, more than business. We have been in worse situations than this before, remember.

  • 58 hibbitt // May 12, 2016 at 3:23 PM

    Charlie in the Gallowgate

    like yourself i never miss a home game and i have only ever seen Carr at 4 home games
    haven’t got a clue how he can pick the players we need when he never sees the team play

  • 59 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // May 12, 2016 at 3:23 PM

    We don’t need crystal balls to reach the conclusions many have.

    Past evidence of 10 years is enough to form an educated guess as to what will happen. The constant stream of repeated mistakes by ashley, and the fact that he has left things in the hands of total incompetants MOST of the time leads us to one conclusion…..

    He wont sack those responsible. We will end up with an inadiquate manager. We will continue to sign sub standard players. This isnt doom mongering for the sake of it, it is based on fatties history with us so far. If the unbelievable happens, and one or more of those things happens differently, then great, but it does not make me or anyone else who think the worst ‘wrong’ or ‘stupid’ or ‘over negative’ for doing so.

  • 60 Ibizatoon // May 12, 2016 at 3:27 PM

    Bobby…Thanks, that sort of clarifies things.

    Please do remember though, what has gone before is no reason to accept what you have now.

    The landscape has changed somewhat from the old days.

    Take it easy, one and all.

  • 61 rouse1 // May 12, 2016 at 3:30 PM

    Charnley et al should be done for treason. More significantly the fat one should be held accountable for giving such a speech at the end of last season. Only to appoint a coach, an accountant, a scout and a pensioner on the board, all to alleviate criticism from himself. Which has cost him millions and yet he does not seem to learn from past mistakes.

  • 62 bettyswallocks // May 12, 2016 at 3:30 PM

    Tsunki……. Forgive my ignorance but I wasn’t aware of the existence of this Alaskan Alistair fellow. Is he a long standing toon fan ?

  • 63 Hail Wor Ashley // May 12, 2016 at 3:33 PM

    The financial model is not bad or wrong, I actually think Mash was ahead of the game in that respect. Self-sustaining club, that even if only finishing mid-table would have £30-50m each season to buy players to try and aim for Europe and/or improve the club in other ways. Once in Europe that amount grows.

    That would be the reality had we stayed in the PL.

    It took us a while, but we were right there, the club making it’s own substantial funds with the income set to rise again, and fell at the last, right when it would’ve all come to fruition and year on year we’d have money to improve the club every which way.

    Problem is the people put in place to execute the last step. Two dreadful dimwits that barely kept us above water, bungling the plan along, until we finally succumbed despite a last thrash for the surface. We somehow made it to the point where we could spend £80m and still be in the black, only for it to come crashing down. I’m sure Ashley is keenly aware of that mistake now.

    Imagine Rafa or a similar stature manager in from the start of the season, a better MD to make that judgement and a scout not promoted above his station. £80m spend.

    It’s a slow, gruelling process, but he’s learning. Now it’s the final test. Will he step outside of his cliques to appoint the men below him after he’s done firing the current scrubs, which he will do as their positions are untenable, it’s just that NUFC is a sideshow in the Mash empire and day-to-day he’s simply not involved, he’s elsewhere. There’ll be a scheduled meeting that was always going to take place where it will happen. Will he restructure into a more classic sovereign manager model?

    Those are now the big off the field questions.

  • 64 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 12, 2016 at 3:35 PM

    Bobby
    Going to be strange, strange atmosphere at SJP on Sunday.

    And will the TOON try – or will they just down tools and get a good stuffing.

    Props the latter

  • 65 SPRINGY // May 12, 2016 at 3:41 PM

    charlie
    i was thinking about the atmosphere…was’nt sure what to expect…obviously be positive towards rafa but at same time show there disgust at the board and some players….i’ve no doubt some players will get booed everytime they touch the ball,but that may be seen as a negative for rafa…..if theres a statement before the game it could swing both ways…..rafa says hes leaving it will be absolute poison….says he’s staying and charnley and carr are pedalled….could be a weird party atmosphere considering we are relegated!lol

  • 66 bettyswallocks // May 12, 2016 at 3:43 PM

    HWA@63. Most agreeable post you’ve ever made. Shows you can do it when you apply yourself properly.

  • 67 Bobbybee // May 12, 2016 at 3:43 PM

    Ashley has said he has nothing to do with NUFC. He appointed a board and left them to fulfill their promises, having given them millions to help them succeed. They failed. This is the first time this situation has arisen since he stepped back. Regardless of his many failings – which, tbf, he has admitted – these failings are down to those he left in charge. Ultimately it stops with him, because he hired them, but we all know who’s made the mistakes on the front line. He couldn’t sack himself for his own failings, but that doesn’t mean he won’t sack them. Let’s wait and see how he reacts. If he doesn’t sack them then he’s reckless beyond reason and totally beyond comprehension. Not convinced that how he’s reacted to his own failings has any bearing on how he’ll react to others’ failings.

  • 68 Hail Wor Ashley // May 12, 2016 at 3:44 PM

    Who thinks Rafa will take the likes of Gini and Sissoko out the firing line?

    Sissoko finally dropped after relegation confirmed.

  • 69 Bobbybee // May 12, 2016 at 3:47 PM

    Hail, we can agree on many things. Your last post for one! 😉

  • 70 SPRINGY // May 12, 2016 at 3:48 PM

    hail
    i would happily see the team that is more likely to start in the championship then the some the players who’ve played this season……back 4 as is,saivet tiote,aarons,townsend,arma and mitro….but it wont happen as the f.a would piss and whine about playing weakened side when there is still something to play for.

  • 71 ToonBano // May 12, 2016 at 3:50 PM

    Rafa may go or may stay.

    What’s for sure is Ashley needs to go. Sell up for his debt and clear off

    http://www.toonbano.com/2016/05/mike-ashley-will-sell-newcastle-utd-for.html

  • 72 stuart no9 // May 12, 2016 at 3:52 PM

    Shadow. …. Watching Everton yesterday Martinez can stay well clear of SJP . Haha. No way

  • 73 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 3:53 PM

    Betty I think he’s a hologram actually

  • 74 Bobbybee // May 12, 2016 at 3:55 PM

    Hail, if i was him I’d only play those who intend to stay, at least in principle. Those wanting out need a helping hand. I’d even start with Arma up front now his time with CCFC is up. Townsend might stay, although if he activates his release clause there’ll be plenty of takers.
    Darlow
    Mbabu, Lascelles, Mbemba Dummett
    Shelvey Colback
    Townsend, Arma, Aarons
    Mitrovic.
    The rest won’t be here and don’t want to be. F@ck em. Give us an idea what the future holds at least.

  • 75 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 12, 2016 at 3:55 PM

    Springy
    The team selection could be interesting – very interesting.

    Me I would start with Carr and Charmless !!!!?????!!!!

  • 76 hibbitt // May 12, 2016 at 4:00 PM

    Charlie in the Gallowgate

    moncur was a canny center half he should play

  • 77 SPRINGY // May 12, 2016 at 4:00 PM

    charlie
    might be some canny challenges if they were playing….an old shout from terraces i used to here maybe apt if that were the case…..put him in the crowd and let them sort him oot!….was’nt a song but heard it a few times in the corner in the standing days!lol

  • 78 SPRINGY // May 12, 2016 at 4:05 PM

    rafas prematch press conference will be interesting…no doubt he’ll be peppered with question about his future….will be interesting to see if we can get a read on his thoughts or the way he acts.

  • 79 Bobbybee // May 12, 2016 at 4:05 PM

    My tablet has gone a bit skewiff. Later chaps

  • 80 SPRINGY // May 12, 2016 at 4:06 PM

    later bobby mate

  • 81 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 12, 2016 at 4:10 PM

    Springy/Hibby

    Add Beardsley in goal did all right at West Ham !!! ho ho!!
    McClaren can make a guest appearance – Ashley and Fat Freddie as twin centre half’s- great centre half pairing.

    could make canny team of of the knackers who run the club

  • 82 Hail Wor Ashley // May 12, 2016 at 4:10 PM

    Bobby

    I agree with that, with the exception of perhaps Anita for Mbabu. This agreeableness is making me have a funny turn. I’ll be away now to lay down flat on my back, feet raised and a blanket over me.

  • 83 Charlie in the Gallowgate // May 12, 2016 at 4:11 PM

    Meme’s Shearer as Manager – got plenty to say

  • 84 Rotonda heights // May 12, 2016 at 4:18 PM

    betty

    Not really the day to confirm you’re a prat is it love.

  • 85 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 4:31 PM

    Don’t forget the sugary tea.

  • 86 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 4:34 PM

    I wonder if the team selection will be influenced more by PR agreeableness than best team? If Rafa says nothing before the game it means he’s probably going of at best still waiting for the comedy club to get their act together and propose something

  • 87 Jib // May 12, 2016 at 4:38 PM

    I think I’ve sussed out Tsunki’s buyer Alistair !
    He’s half Scottish and half Arabic .
    It’s Lord Rockingham also known as Sheikh Rattle and Roll !
    ( Geordie2 note he may also have Canadian connections – there’s a Moose loose aroond his hoose !)

  • 88 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 4:42 PM

    Alastair of Alaska. I like him already. He sounds like a legend. 🙂

  • 89 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 4:44 PM

    I think he was the first man to circumnavigate Lee Charnley

  • 90 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 4:45 PM

    He discovered Mike Ashleys feet.

  • 91 Nufc-83 // May 12, 2016 at 4:45 PM

    Spoof and hail wor Ashley be prepared for some bashing like I took from jail and average as my posts this morning regarding Ashley and Charnley were very much of the same manner.

  • 92 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 4:45 PM

    He successfully located and identified Carrs teeth.

  • 93 JamesToon // May 12, 2016 at 4:48 PM

    So now that relegation is confirmed we can start the overhaul.

    Firstly we need to do everything in our power to keep benitez, if not then other managerial candidates:
    – Brendan Rodgers
    – Garry Monk
    – Roberto Martinez
    – Gary Rowett

    We also need to retain Lascelles, Shelvey, Townsend, Mitro as they will immediately step into the championship and become some of the best players, and will help them with their personal development.

    Graham Carr….OOT
    Lee Charnley….OOT
    Peter Beardsley and Dave Watson…OOT

    Transfers out:
    Krul – £9m
    Janmaat – £7m
    Colo – Free
    Taylor – Free
    Tiote – £3m
    Saivet – £4m
    Gouffran – £1m
    Wijnaldum – £14m
    Sissoko – £12m
    Perez – £12m
    Cisse – £3m
    Riviere – £2m
    Thauvin – £8m
    Ameobi – £1m
    Total: £76m

    Get aarons a new contract.

    Transfers IN:
    – Dominic Iorfa
    – Lewis Dunk or Tommy Elphick or Tom Lees
    – Charlie Taylor or Andrew Robertson (Taylor won POTY for leeds)
    – Michael Carrick – Free
    – Tom Carroll – Free
    – Nathan Redmond or Ryan Fraser
    – Nahki Wells or Enner Valencia or Lewis Grabban

    Darlow
    Iorfa, Mbemba, Lascelles, Taylor
    Carrick, Shelvey
    Townsend, Armstrong, Redmond
    Mitrovic

  • 94 Mister Tuff // May 12, 2016 at 4:48 PM

    Jib Jibberish —————–Yawn.

  • 95 JamesToon // May 12, 2016 at 4:50 PM

    McCormack could also be a decent option, proven championship goalscorer, Moses or Ince as well if we couldn’t get either redmond or fraser. Jack Hunt could be an alternative to iorfa

  • 96 JamesToon // May 12, 2016 at 4:51 PM

    Either way we need characters, leaders, and more PL hungry players who have that fight and determination, and assemble a squad that will play as a team.

  • 97 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 4:52 PM

    We’ve had the idea that the fans were partly to blame for being too quiet. We’ve got the idea that the business model is right but an unfortunate near miss on the footballing side. Oh and Ashley can’t be blamed because he was busy doing something else and didn’t notice his personal £250m baby going down the bath plug hole.

  • 98 Jib // May 12, 2016 at 4:56 PM

    Been reading some Spanish and Italian tweets about Rafa which exhibit some understandable schadenfreude.

    He left Napoli with what they thought was less than respectful haste when he had the opportunity of “the job of a lifetime” at Real.

    I think Steve Howey has it right in calling for the crowd on Sunday to let Rafa know he’s loved.

    He just might fancy a couple of stress free years out of the European spotlight.

  • 99 Nufc-83 // May 12, 2016 at 4:56 PM

    lol Townsend will be one of the first out the door as if a player like him will spend a season in the championship. At the very best if Rafa was to stay I would hope they could convince him to go out on season long loan coming back when we get back up (which we will easily IMO)

  • 100 hibbitt // May 12, 2016 at 4:57 PM

    don’t get all this love for Roberto Martinez

  • 101 Nufc-83 // May 12, 2016 at 4:59 PM

    Tsunki Ashley probably got told by the supposed football people that we would survive this season and it was a blip. He would have likely been told when we get Rafa in he will rebuild and have us challenging the top end. He has nothing to do with the club now but he must act and get rid of Carr however again as Carr is one of the football people I think he will stay.

  • 102 Nufc-83 // May 12, 2016 at 5:00 PM

    Why anyone would want Martinez is beyond me he is not far off from SM imo

  • 103 hibbitt // May 12, 2016 at 5:06 PM

    Nufc-83

    it wont be easy

    we don’t who the manager will be
    we don’t know which plays will stay or go
    we don’t know if ashley will spend on new players and who they will be
    could be a van full of frenchmen carrs bought
    believe me it wont be easy

  • 104 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 5:08 PM

    Alan Shearer still gets stick for his time as manager, but Rafa didn’t succeed either. Cue “ah but the difference was…” when you have a woeful team with a poor attitude, there’s little you can do whoever you are.

  • 105 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 5:09 PM

    Nufc-83 as a canny businessman you’d think Ashley would have heard alarm bells seeing he’s been told that very same “it’s still good” story in 2009.

  • 106 Nufc-83 // May 12, 2016 at 5:11 PM

    Hibbit I believe the below players will form the basis of the squad next year and are good enough to walk the championship:

    Elliot, Darlow, dummet, haidara, Mbemba, lascelles, coldback, Shelvey (not sure) Aaron’s, Perez (not sure), mitro, Armstrong. I think with a few additions that will be a string squad in the championship although I will have got a few wrong and I’m sure a few surprises will stay.

  • 107 hibbitt // May 12, 2016 at 5:15 PM

    Nufc-83

    i take it you don’t watch much championship football or you would think before you make rash statements like that no way will it be as easy as last time

  • 108 Tsunki // May 12, 2016 at 5:16 PM

    Yeah we will still have colo running down his contract, DeJong permanently on the iron lung, Sammy emulating his big brother, Dummett hoofing up the wing, Colback passing into dead space – I bet they wish they hadn’t got rid of obertan so hastily.

  • 109 Nufc-83 // May 12, 2016 at 5:19 PM

    Tsunki you would think that wouldn’t you but I don’t take the bloke to be very clever even in the business sense. Yes he is a billionaire but he has probably stumbled upon or been given the chance to takeover an idea of a model that has paid off big time. He has then surrounded himself with good business people who have exploded his empire. He probably thought the same buy a football club get it on a good financial footing and let the football people I employ turn it into a big success. The problem is the people he is employing to advise are idiots and he doesn’t have the brain power or football sense to react quickly

  • 110 hibbitt // May 12, 2016 at 5:19 PM

    Nufc-83
    those few surprises as you put it weren’t up for the fight in the prem never mind what will be thrown at them in the championship

  • 111 beermonkey // May 12, 2016 at 5:21 PM

    we have a terrible defensive record and people want martinez as manager
    do they want us in league1

  • 112 Nufc-83 // May 12, 2016 at 5:22 PM

    Hibbit you are correct I don’t watch championship football much apart from the season we walked the league. I think it will be harder this time but I still think we will be promoted without much fuss.

  • 113 Nufc-83 // May 12, 2016 at 5:23 PM

    Hibbit I don’t want any of them to stay apart from Townsend which is not going to happen so yes I agree what I was saying is it’s likely I won’t have missed every player to be sold its likely the odd one will stay.

  • 114 jane // May 12, 2016 at 5:27 PM

    we could be in the Championship for years but spare a thought for poor old Sunderland they might have to endure years of Premier league mid-table mediocrity like Bolton and West Ham did. that wouldn’t be good enough for us!

  • 115 toonluvva // May 12, 2016 at 5:29 PM

    Whilst Mr Ashley may not have been actively seeking to sell NUFC, I am fairly sure that if anyone just happened to make him a reasonable offer he would listen to it.

    Of course now it will be a fire sale if he should decide to sell up. I wonder what % drop in the value of the club happened when we were officially relegated?

    You also have to add the drop in value of the players, now officially championship standard, the loss of TV revenues etc, etc.

    All because Mr Ashley failed in his running of the club we all love and support.

    I would love to see the back of Mr Ashley, but I don’t want Shepherd back, nor do I want us to be taken over by the likes of the Tans or Venkeys.

  • 116 hibbitt // May 12, 2016 at 5:33 PM

    Nufc-83

    don’t know how you can say we will be promoted without much fuss when you don’t watch the league you don’t who the manager will be and you don’t know which players will be in the squad at the start of next season

  • 117 Nufc-83 // May 12, 2016 at 5:33 PM

    Can I ask a question to debate on if you rate two players:

    Anita: Performed well for me at rb but not natural enough in that position. I want two natural rbs purchased and Anita is definately not good enough in midfield so for me get him sold.

    Coldback: I don’t feel he offers enough protection to be a starting cdm. He is not physical enough and commits the most idiotic of fouls. He definately can’t play alongside a cdm as he has nothing in terms of creativity or vision. I think keep him in the champ as a squad player but would be fine if he was sold.

  • 118 Nufc-83 // May 12, 2016 at 5:37 PM

    Hibbit I am confident we will retain the core players suggested in my post which for me are good enough to get promoted in the championship. I know enough about football to understand the level of the championship without watching it week in week out. The manager will be an average run of the mill manager like Bruce in my opinion who will be good enough to go up but not retain in the prem (although we will retain).

  • 119 giimps // May 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM

    We have virtually been without a recognised back 4 until Rafa came, we have a midfield spine of two doing the job of a kante ,we have no pace up front ,no movement, no quality and no creativity either.
    Rafa came and it took him 3-4 games to get the defence sorted at the expense of any creativity, our strikers are rubbish …..all of them…..we have relied on the players behind them scoring to even get any kind of result .we need a complete overhaul and if it’s Rafa he needs to get shot of all of the strikers mitrovic included and get pace up front ,especially if he’s basing his footballing style from the back….he has been used to a counter attacking style but can’t do it cos the strikers are too thick and slow to make it work, he uses sissoko to get the ball forward at his feet cos the midfielders can’t f@cking pass the ball straight or to the right area, they’re too slow across the pitch and rely on sissoko and toonsend to cover, gini has gone missing cos he’s being played out of position and can’t get the ball in the right areas cos the passing is crap, we have been crying out for someone like Dejong to be given a run cos he can pass, keeps the ball moving forward and can generate attacking play…….but he’s either been injured or brought on when we’re losing or gets overrun in midfield cos there’s nobody making runs past him or the useless twat strikers are offside or marked by 7 defenders and the rest of our players daresent
    get forward cos the defence is so crap…….rant over……do I think Rafa will stay…..er….no and after the mcmannaman and haidara incident ,I would rather castrate myself with a blunt clamshell than endorse that Martinez for our manager….id rather give cathro a go if Rafa does decide the jobs too much for him ……..at least it would be a clean slate though, he could come in as a director of football style manager, design the academy and scouting network, use his contacts abroad to get pace and quality in even on loan and get rid of the useless no marks we have ……….il still be there next season though as my missus is worse than them ?




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