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McClaren Gets It Wrong On Why Newcastle Relegated

1:50 pm, Sunday, June 12th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 109 Comments

Rafa Benitez took four games to sort things out at Newcastle and then he went the final six games with three wins and three draws that included the hammering of 2nd top Spurs 5-1 on the last day of the season – they finished 3rd top.

Steve McClaren has been interviewed today and said the usual things – that we didn’t have good enough center-backs and strikers –  and while that’s true that’s not the main reason we were relegated.

The main reason was Steve himself, who got nowhere near getting the best out of the players he had available – and we cannot forget the £80M we spent on new players either.

steve mcclaren stoke 123

A familiar pose from Steve McClaren while at Newcastle

There were many other things wrong at Newcastle – yes – but we should never have been relegated last season with the squad we had.

There were a lot more weaker squads than Newcastle had and that’s the truth.

McClaren messed up as badly last season with decent players in the Newcastle squad as he did when he managed England back in 2007.

This is what Steve McClaren told BBC Radio Five Live’s Sportsweek:

“I’m frustrated with my time at Newcastle and especially with the way it ended.” “I went in with my eyes open and I knew the situation I was getting myself into, but the mistake I made was that I compromised too much.”

“You have to go in and lead and manage. I compromised too much especially early on, instead of saying, ‘we need this, we need this, we need this’.”

“They’ve gone down because we conceded too many goals and didn’t recruit centre-backs, and we didn’t recruit enough strikers, we had injuries and bad luck and the main thing is the mentality.”

“The mentality of the team was that they would play well against top teams, but they couldn’t win the games they should have won against the lower teams.”

“They’ve decided to go with Rafa Benitez and I hope they’ve allowed him control of everything.. most importantly he can control recruitment and maybe change the policy of the time,”

“That was only recruiting players under 25 and I think that restricted the recruitment process.”

“You need experience and that wasn’t possible, and I think with Rafa being in there he will be allowed to take control.’

Newcastle fans are frustrated with the time he spent at Newcastle too, mainly because he was simply not good enough to manage a club like Newcastle, and he also didn’t have a strong enough personality.

The reason we didn’t recruit center-backs was that he decided to give Fabricio Coloccini a one year contract extension.

We had already brought in Mbemba – so that’s the reason we didn’t bring in another center-back – Colo had to play as the captain.

There’s one difference between McClaren and Benitez – Rafa wouldn’t take the job unless he had the control he knew he needed to make Newcastle successful.

McClaren was just happy to get the Newcastle job, after he had failed and been only just been fired at second division Derby County.

Why he was even offered the job by Lee Charnley is still not clear to us – he was certainly not the perfect coach for Newcastle.

Rafa just been fired from Real Madrid who went on to win the Champions League for a record 11th time last month.

That’s the difference between being a journeyman coach and a world-class coach and this seems like Steve’s first attempt to re-write history on what happened at Newcastle last season.

It falls short of the truth.

Here are the two league records of the Newcastle managers last season.

Steve McClaren.

Premier LeaguePlayed WonDrawnLostGFGAGDPoints
2015-20162866162853-2524

Rafa Benitez.

Premier LeaguePlayedWonDrawnLostGFGAGDPoints
2015-2016103431612413

Comments welcome.



Tags: Coaching · Management · Newcastle News · Recruitment · Transfer News and Rumours




109 responses so far ↓

  • 1 lesh // Jun 12, 2016 at 2:09 PM

    Mr Tuff

    Didn’t realise you’d be an animal lover.

    What with Ed’s Milo and Jibs Chihuahua we seem to be a group of dog lovers.

    There must be other types of pet out there – I’ve got a one-eyed goldfish called Billy.

  • 2 Jail for Ashley // Jun 12, 2016 at 2:14 PM

    It’s no good Mclaren saying he should have done this or that, he signed the dotted line after agreeing not to put obstacles in their way and if that meant giving Collocini a new deal rather than spending 10M on a new CB then that’s the way it was going to be, he never said we need this or we need that because he wasn’t allowed to. If they were so determined to land him why didn’t he demand assurances from the off, because he was absolutely desperate to manage in the PL at any cost.

  • 3 expatmag // Jun 12, 2016 at 2:19 PM

    Lesh

    I got two border collies…..Shearer and Bellers

  • 4 AncientC // Jun 12, 2016 at 2:19 PM

    Not forgetting the season starting after 12 (or was it 13) games and losing 20 points because Krul got injured.

  • 5 expatmag // Jun 12, 2016 at 2:20 PM

    TUFF

    Aaahhh….good excuse….fickle north eastern weather. Works every time

  • 6 lesh // Jun 12, 2016 at 2:25 PM

    Jail

    You’re right of course in that McLaren was compromised by the then current transfer policy he went along with. But he was unable to get more out of the players he had available to him.

    Whether he could have done better had he had access to other players is an unknown – we can but speculate.

    However, he is looking for a new job and as such, he’s not going to market himself as a failure so we couldn’t really expect him to say he wasn’t up to the task.

    Anyway, it’s history and maybe his failure and the resultant relegation was a blessing that gave Ashley the wake-up call he needed…….. I hope!

  • 7 Jib // Jun 12, 2016 at 2:26 PM

    I’ve got a one-eyed trouser snake called Goliath.
    😎

  • 8 lesh // Jun 12, 2016 at 2:27 PM

    Expat

    A formidable pairing – especially with the nature of the Borders. Do they get on or do their names provide the answer?

  • 9 lesh // Jun 12, 2016 at 2:30 PM

    Jib

    Goliath eh? Don’t be a Boa!

  • 10 Jib // Jun 12, 2016 at 2:32 PM

    I think McClaren was always coming.

    If he’d come from a newly promoted Derby , he could have demanded , and got, much more power.

    Derby’s shite second half of the season and SM’s subsequent sacking , critically weakened his position .

  • 11 G // Jun 12, 2016 at 2:35 PM

    A cat called bollocks

  • 12 expatmag // Jun 12, 2016 at 2:39 PM

    Lesh

    Good mates but like the originals, Bellers is a few years younger and Shearer, being older wiser and bigger, put Bellers in his place when he gets over frisky

  • 13 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Jun 12, 2016 at 2:50 PM

    some goal by modrich

  • 14 Jib // Jun 12, 2016 at 2:52 PM

    Sundays were always like this when I was a kid.
    Boring as hell.
    Cannot wait for the window to open and all the crap to start !

  • 15 Jib // Jun 12, 2016 at 3:07 PM

    Well done Steven Harper.
    He managed to get 21 weeks wages out of the scum without having to play for them once !
    That’s after having a testimonial at NUFC nearly 3 years ago !
    😀

  • 16 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 12, 2016 at 3:08 PM

    Makro is suggesting he could have put his foot down and possibly got his way. Obviously the club was crying out for leadership. So why didn’t he provide it? On Makro’s own tacit admission, he lacks leadership skills. Ergo, he is, like we all said, not a manager but a coach; a second rate one at that.

  • 17 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 12, 2016 at 3:09 PM

    Jib @14
    Is Songs of Praise on later? Is that what you’re saying?

  • 18 giimps // Jun 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM

    I have 2 mini dachshunds called shnurg and daxter, both as mad as a box of frogs and will defend their corner against anything, dog, human, or warg.
    Mcwally was spineless and tactically inept……not good bedfellows for the leader of men.

  • 19 lesh // Jun 12, 2016 at 3:15 PM

    Jib

    I’m surprised you’re not ay the big street party in the Mall – or maybe you’ll be attending the more private party Her Maj’s hosting later on?

  • 20 Back Door Man // Jun 12, 2016 at 3:22 PM

    Wally the Johnnie contines to deploy a limited repertoire of familiar but hopelessly inadequate excuses for his failure.  Manuel, with the same players averaged 1.3 points per game with Wally trailing at 0.85 (according to the Man’s tables above) … says it all really!

    Silence might have been his best strategy.

  • 21 Back Door Man // Jun 12, 2016 at 3:23 PM

    continues even.

  • 22 lesh // Jun 12, 2016 at 3:24 PM

    Glimps

    Might pay to keep quiet about your Dachshunds and their tenacity. Rafa’s looking for quality signings and they may have the qualities he’s looking for.

  • 23 Mister Tuff // Jun 12, 2016 at 3:27 PM

    Aye – Jib ‘ll be on later saying he was at Buck Palace with Betty and managed to get a couple of racing tips from her after she’d had a few gins and he slipped her a crisp tenner.

  • 24 Blackley and Brownlie // Jun 12, 2016 at 3:38 PM

    Tuff
    Hahaha!

    Jib later gets his a monkey back by spilling the beans to Nicholas Witchell and Jenny Bond.

  • 25 Jib // Jun 12, 2016 at 3:42 PM

    Worst mass shooting in USA history in Orlando this a.m.

  • 26 ShirebrookToon // Jun 12, 2016 at 3:43 PM

    England and Russia could Be disqualified from tournament if violence continues

  • 27 Jib // Jun 12, 2016 at 3:51 PM

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/12/euro-2016-uefa-investigate-violence-between-england-and-russia-f/

  • 28 Ron Knee // Jun 12, 2016 at 4:17 PM

    Orlando shooting: grist to Trump’s mill.

  • 29 Shadow_Shearer // Jun 12, 2016 at 4:23 PM

    How long did it take for mcclaren to realise we needed strengthen to our centre backs & strikers. He seems to realise now when the season is finished & we are relegated. No wonder he wasn’t the right man for the job.

    Everybody was screaming out for him to strengthen these two positions, he goes out & buys one centre back mbemba, 1 striker mitrovic, & all the rest is midfielders.

  • 30 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 12, 2016 at 4:27 PM

    Mclaren is such a shitebag in so many games last season his tactics and team selections where left wanting !

  • 31 Jail for Ashley // Jun 12, 2016 at 4:29 PM

    Shadow_Shearer,
    He didn’t buy anyone, all the players were planned months in advance, it looks like he had very little say as a leading board member.

  • 32 clinath@ed // Jun 12, 2016 at 4:33 PM

    He only had to say NO.
    In his own words, he new exactly what he was walking into. Got no sympathy for him at all.

  • 33 Lindisfarne // Jun 12, 2016 at 4:45 PM

    Wally McBrolly was a huge mistake, as much as the decision making if the other three Board members. From supposedly 80 candidates they employ this joker at the third time of asking and they still retain their positions.

  • 34 Wayayman // Jun 12, 2016 at 4:46 PM

    Right at the start of this interview in 5live, MacLaren was asked about the England game and if he agreed with the subs made. He said that he always remembers his first game in Holland where they were 1-0 up with 15 to go. He said he didn’t know what to do so he asked his assistants who advised him to put another attack minded player on instead of a defensive one in order to give the tiring oppo something to worry about.
    Thats him admitting he didn’t have a clue tactically. unbelievable how he’s robbed a living these years.

  • 35 Jail for Ashley // Jun 12, 2016 at 4:47 PM

    clinath,
    No sympathy whatsoever. He had no intentions of joining us if he had have got Derby promoted, he must have known completely it was an impossible task yet he was so desperate to manage in the PL he was prepared to relegate us to achieve his goal, I hope he never manages in the top flight again!

  • 36 clinath@ed // Jun 12, 2016 at 4:56 PM

    That’s one wish that may come true Jail 😉

  • 37 Jail for Ashley // Jun 12, 2016 at 4:58 PM

    We have to actually be thankful for his ineptitude, had he have guided us to 12th-17th he have been here again next season with the same ridiculous policies in place and more misery.

  • 38 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 12, 2016 at 5:03 PM

    Its also mental seeing Shane Ferguson start at left back in the euros wouldn’t say he was ever an outstanding talent but surely would have been useful to come in at left back rather than play right footed midfielders out of position which ended up costing us points !

  • 39 Jail for Ashley // Jun 12, 2016 at 5:20 PM

    LCBP,
    I’m not sure if he’s good enough as he is often on the bench for Milwall and I think NI are seriously short of options but it does make you wonder if decisions on players coming and going has been called correctly.

  • 40 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 12, 2016 at 5:27 PM

    @Jail

    What I would say is based on the games that I saw him play for Newcastle he always looked half decent and never let us down although just when it seemed he was putting a run together he would get injured …. the story of all of our youngsters in the last decade !!

    He got assists in 4 games in a row and then was never picked by Pardew after one game where it looked like players were not passing too him think it was Stoke or Fulham away?

    Yeah but you are right it would be interesting to see how some of the young ones that got chucked would have developed with a proper plan in place under good coaches

  • 41 scout // Jun 12, 2016 at 5:28 PM

    Mclaren is 100% right though. If we had Defoe up front we would have stayed up.
    He had no control over transfers. If you cant see that the defence was weak they’re in the wrong game.

  • 42 Lindisfarne // Jun 12, 2016 at 5:34 PM

    If we had Defoe up front we would be called S’land with Fat Sam….[shudder]

  • 43 JAMSHA // Jun 12, 2016 at 5:47 PM

    Off Topic, but theres news 4 syriarfugees assaulted a teen at
    newcastle

  • 44 JAMSHA // Jun 12, 2016 at 5:48 PM

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636665/Four-Syrian-immigrants-sexually-assaulted-14-year-old-girl-Newcastle-park-just-weeks-invited-UK-Government-refugee-relocation-scheme.html

  • 45 clinath@ed // Jun 12, 2016 at 6:19 PM

    That Milic of Poland has a lovely left foot.

  • 46 lesh // Jun 12, 2016 at 6:25 PM

    In the light of McLaren’s comments, I think it’s fair to say that offering Colo his contract extension was out of his hands. After all, Charnley and co would’ve seen that as a cheaper option than signing a new CB.

  • 47 Jail for Ashley // Jun 12, 2016 at 6:28 PM

    lesh,
    I find it quite incredible when I see people abusing him for giving Collo that contract, it was clearly out of his hands as was the signing of Mitro, Wijnaldum etc.

  • 48 lesh // Jun 12, 2016 at 6:30 PM

    Ron

    And the news of the girl allegedly assaulted in Leazes Park’ll be great news for Farage and Johnson.

  • 49 Ron Knee // Jun 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM

    Too true, lesh.

  • 50 lesh // Jun 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM

    Jail

    Maybe Ed’ll change his mind about McL extending Colo’s contract.

    In fairness, McLaren’s been both stuffed and out of his depth while with us. This was yet another example of how devious and manipulative Ashley and his chums have been over the years

  • 51 Ron Knee // Jun 12, 2016 at 6:39 PM

    McClaren was a symptom of the failed policy: wrong coach, wrong players.

  • 52 clinath@ed // Jun 12, 2016 at 6:48 PM

    Like I said earlier, he only had to sa no, when offered the job.

  • 53 Moonraker15 // Jun 12, 2016 at 6:54 PM

    McClaren can blab on all he likes, he’s good at that but the fact is he enabled the regime to carry on so he was the problem. Plus, if he was any good he could’ve kept us up with the squad he had. Again, he accepted the conditions and actually defended policy. I have nothing but contempt for him as a coach. However if he hadn’t got us relegated he would still be there and we would be facing another mediocre season. As it is we have an exciting period ahead albeit we have been relegated at the worst possible time with all the tv money in the PL !

  • 54 Jail for Ashley // Jun 12, 2016 at 6:57 PM

    clinath,
    He couldn’t say no, he was desperate to manage in the PL with anybody but us, in the end we were his last chance. Like taking a lass to the prom who’s continually knocked you back after she ends up with no one to go with herself.

  • 55 Jail for Ashley // Jun 12, 2016 at 7:03 PM

    Moonraker,
    He’s makes me sick, everyone in the game of football knew it was an impossible task as did he yet he was prepared to see us sink with our ridiculous policies just for a shot at the big time.

  • 56 AncientC // Jun 12, 2016 at 7:12 PM

    I just got back in to watch Anthony Joshua and Dominic Breazeale on ‘The Gloves Are Off’, which was designated to be televised at 7pm, Sky Sports 2. Anybody know why the Cricket on is still on? (Detestable sport)

  • 57 AncientC // Jun 12, 2016 at 7:15 PM

    Never worry, Eddie Hearn has updated that its been moved to 10:30pm.

  • 58 Jail for Ashley // Jun 12, 2016 at 7:41 PM

    Ancient,
    Is that why you’ve upset Ian Toon, (c)arl, Jack Root etc, because you don’t like cricket 😮

  • 59 Belfast // Jun 12, 2016 at 7:48 PM

    Sounds like he’s auditioning for a new job. Everyone knew we didn’t strengthen in the needed areas, but he came out and said he was happy with the squad.

  • 60 AncientC // Jun 12, 2016 at 7:53 PM

    Uunfortunately, Jack Root and his login/logout moniker army, will never forgive me for pointing out the difference between ‘your’ and ‘you’re’. A little thank you should have been in order, considering I helped him/they remove an obvious footprint from his/their multi-monologues.

  • 61 Jail for Ashley // Jun 12, 2016 at 8:21 PM

    Ancient,
    Unfortunately you didn’t help at all, in the heat of a full blown verbal assault Jack Root used your instead of, a bit like catchy never being able to get his head round can’t no matter how many times he’s been told.
    What happened to catchy anyway? Did he expire after backing the Wally 100% for so long

  • 62 AncientC // Jun 12, 2016 at 8:32 PM

    You have to laugh at the picture Ed has put up, with the caption “A familiar pose from Steve McClaren while at Newcastle”.

    http://www.101greatgoals.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Screen-Shot-2016-02-14-at-12.23.23.png

    ^ Appears more familiar to me.

  • 63 Jib // Jun 12, 2016 at 8:33 PM

    AncientC // I pointed out the difference between ‘your’ and ‘you’re’.

    Did you find that out on the Mackem bulletin boards while trolling for materiel ?

    Toon fan ? – meh !

  • 64 AncientC // Jun 12, 2016 at 8:42 PM

    Jib, the joke you posted a few days ago seemed quite comic (if a little Roy Chubby. B) and original – I pasted the joke into Google, and voila, the first source of the joke was from a Sunderland message board…. a coincidence I am sure.

    Maybe you can let Magscar know, so that he can respond for you again.

  • 65 Bobbybee // Jun 12, 2016 at 9:01 PM

    If your and you’re determine a multiple, the whole bogs full of them! 😉 Just a quick update for those not watching. Germany one up against Ukraine. They dominated the opening 30 mins but later on Ukraine came right back into it, forcing Boeteng to clear off the line. Goal came from a free kick nodded in by Mustafi early doors. Second half might be interesting….

  • 66 Jail for Ashley // Jun 12, 2016 at 9:13 PM

    Bobby,
    A lot more than your and you’re. Yer right!

  • 67 clinath@ed // Jun 12, 2016 at 9:49 PM

    Germany are scary going forward, but their defence is a bit iffy….as I type they score the second.

  • 68 Bobbybee // Jun 12, 2016 at 9:54 PM

    Another good game eh clin? Thought the Ukraine keeper played well or it would’ve been a lot more. Fair result though.

  • 69 ShirebrookToon // Jun 12, 2016 at 9:58 PM

    England v Germany final lol

  • 70 clinath@ed // Jun 12, 2016 at 10:03 PM

    Evening Bobby, yes mate, every game seems to be being played at 100 mph. But the technical skill is breathtaking.
    Still think Germany can be got at if you put their back 3 or 4 under pressure….mind you, you’ve got to stop them scoring 2 or 3 at the other end.

  • 71 clinath@ed // Jun 12, 2016 at 10:04 PM

    Off to bed, early start.

  • 72 cyprus // Jun 12, 2016 at 10:09 PM

    Good game. Ukraine were quite good as well. Germany vulnerable at the back, excepting the goalkeeper.

  • 73 Bobbybee // Jun 12, 2016 at 10:10 PM

    Shirebrook, if we’re still there! Eufa threatening to send England home because of the fans. Not saying they’re blameless, but Eufa need to look elsewhere for the cause of it – Russia. Someone’s going to get killed and as per normal England will get the blame. I can’t believe they’ve been given the WC with where they are football wise. Like us in the 70’s. Our – mainly Liverpool – fans got us kicked out of football for years. Russia’s lunatic fringe get them rewarded the world cup. No back handers there then?

  • 74 ShirebrookToon // Jun 12, 2016 at 10:21 PM

    Definitely some back handers went off there like!
    Sneaky fcuking Russians!!

  • 75 welshgeordie9 // Jun 12, 2016 at 10:35 PM

    It’s been a good tournament so far, goals in every match so far.

  • 76 lesh // Jun 13, 2016 at 3:23 AM

    Welshyboyo

    Jeez, you surely killed the Blog, good and proper!

    Ok, so it might be a school night with exams looming for many but there are a few of us who’ve long left school or college.

    Wha’ you done Welshy…… ?

  • 77 Jib // Jun 13, 2016 at 6:02 AM

    Lesh
    You hardly revived it!
    There’ll probs be another 3 hour pause after me .
    😀

  • 78 Jib // Jun 13, 2016 at 6:12 AM

    From the Chron this morning.
    The Magpies manager accepts that there is still likely to be movement right up until the transfer window closes, but he wants to have the majority of his squad confirmed by the time the second-tier campaign kicks off on August 6.

    With a proven goal-scorer and an experienced centre-back believed to be on Benitez’s wish list, United are expected to use the next month-and-a-half to recruit between four and six players – though that number could yet rise if there turns out to be a greater amount of departures than expected.

    In terms of potential outgoings, Moussa Sissoko has publicly expressed his desire to leave, while Andros Townsend, Georginio Wijnaldum and Daryl Janmaat are among the other Magpies who have been linked with moves away.

    Benitez wants to retain as much of his first-team squad as possible, though he admits at least some are likely to depart.

    And he has bemoaned the fact the transfer window continues into the first month of the season, believing it disrupts preparation, unsettles players and negatively impacts upon focus

    “Every single year you try to do it, but it’s very difficult.
    Another debate about the transfer window, when it should finish.
    We have had this debate many times and it is not fair when you are playing in August and until the end of August players can go and can come.
    It will be important for me now because the transfer window is open during the start of the season so it will important to maybe finish at the beginning of August.”

  • 79 Ron Knee // Jun 13, 2016 at 6:19 AM

    From The Grauniad:

    The head of Britain’s Euro 2016 policing operation has hit out at the Russian football fans behind the scenes of violence in Marseille – and vowed to help search for them.

    Assistant chief constable Mark Roberts said the attacks were the most serious and coordinated he had seen in 10 years specialising in football violence.

    He told how British police spotters saw some Russia fans “tooling up” with gum shields, fingerless martial arts gloves and bandanas.

    Roberts, who is in charge of Britain’s police operation in France, said: “England has had its problems with hooligans in the past. But the Russians are entirely different – they are like nothing we have seen before. They are highly organised and determined to carry out sustained violent attacks at a level of aggression I have not encountered in the past 10 years.

    “Our spotters in Marseille saw them putting in gum shields and putting on martial arts gloves and bandanas before attacking England fans in the port.”

  • 80 Jib // Jun 13, 2016 at 6:19 AM

    href=”http://ultimahora.es/noticias/sociedad/2016/06/13/198160/lujo-andratx.html”>Mike Ashley’s Mallorcan Ken

  • 81 Jib // Jun 13, 2016 at 6:22 AM

    Try again

  • 82 Jib // Jun 13, 2016 at 6:24 AM

    3rd time lucky ?

  • 83 Jib // Jun 13, 2016 at 6:28 AM

    That’s a poolside party at Ashley’s Mallorca home.
    If you look closely you can see Graham Carr – he’s the pissed old git feeling up the wimmin !
    😀

  • 84 Jib // Jun 13, 2016 at 6:50 AM

    Ron
    Every one knows what the Russian fans are like.

    This is Zenit fans v Spartak fans

    They should take the world cup off them !

  • 85 Jib // Jun 13, 2016 at 6:59 AM

    http://www.retesport.it/news/2016/06/12/doumbia-al-newcastle-non-e-andata-come-speravo-cska-nel-calcio-tutto-e-possibile/

    Seydou Doumbia is probably going to be loaned by Roma back to CSKA Moscow again.

    Of his NUFC experience he says it didn’t work out as he hoped – but it was interesting and informative.

  • 86 Jib // Jun 13, 2016 at 7:05 AM

    http://gianlucadimarzio.com/news-cat/roma-distanza-con-il-newcastle-per-wijnaldum-e-domani-si-prova-a-chiudere-per-mario-rui/

    This is the personal website of Gianluca di Marzio a Sky Italia journo.

    From what he is saying about the distance between Roma and NUFC on Wijnaldum – it looks like the Italians thought he would be cheap because of our relegation but Rafa is digging his heels in.

  • 87 carl // Jun 13, 2016 at 7:14 AM

    Jib
    Excellent read this morning and good to see that Rafa has a clearly devised transfer strategy. The level of communication from Benitez will answer a lot of the questions being asked in the pubs and clubs. He’s an excellent communicator and what a massive contrast from Mc and Carver. It will be important to hit the ground running come 6th August and with a settled side not too impacted by late transfer activity. The man with a plan and activity on the training front never fails to impress. This really could just be the beginning of something worthwhile.
    Just as well you, Bobby and a few others are keeping the football chat going . It’s not often I find I can agree with expat- three strikes in cricket, football and now rugby and I thought he would be out, but the quality of football chat on here recently has hit at an all time low.

    Bobby- How you doing ? The euros are good value with Belquim v Italy tonight. See a few are still going on about so called past events and not answering a posters question. You’re right a few have driven a number who did want to chat football away. Speaking for myself, first posting 7 years ago i can’t always be bothered with the hassle. I challenge anyone not cultivating boredom to read through JFA’s regular repetitive historic contributions. Simply a waste of time and leaving you bemused as to what he’s either responding too or what he’s trying to say. It’s as if he’s speaking an alien language. Could well explain why so many have stopped posting who wants to read his theory on the way to catch a multiple. Fond of criticising but contributes little in my opinion on current football related and always looking for trouble. A bit like the Russians at the euros.
    I perfectly understood why you left our football conversation to catch your ambulance. No worries on that score lets just enjoy the football.

  • 88 firebug666 // Jun 13, 2016 at 7:32 AM

    I was a regular poster on this blog, but not so much since it descended into petty sniping. carl’s post is exactly the thing I am talking about.

    He comes on to do a bit of ass licking with his pals and the starts trying to character assassinate another poster, this time JFA.

    What is the point, he says FA about football, while telling others that is what should be discussed.

    Seems to me it’s posters like carl that keep others off the blog.

  • 89 cyprus // Jun 13, 2016 at 7:34 AM

    Ed,
    I’m not sure we should bury, or deify, any individual, especially management, as I’m sure you know from your time at IBM. There are many factors to consider, so absolute labels are dangerous.

    Even Steve had us playing quite well – occasionally. The 5-2 Norwich mauling, the West Ham game, and others, are an example. What Steve says there generally makes sense.

    Now Rafa has to prove himself. The team he had, good or bad, was Steve’s team. Oftentimes, even if you bring a clown as a new coach, you get 2-3 wins initially as players try to prove their worth and are newly motivated. With Rafa it was the other way around.

    Rafa now has to get me some results. Actually, no, he must promote my team. Nothing less will do.

  • 90 carl // Jun 13, 2016 at 7:41 AM

    firebug
    A hoist of your own petard. There was a lot more football related content in my post than in yours. I make no apologies for mentioning JFA as he constantly targets so called new posters under the mistaken believe that they are multiples. He’s paranoid.

  • 91 carl // Jun 13, 2016 at 7:46 AM

    Cyprus
    Rafa has to produce. Talk of him being a legend or the messiah is plain daft. He’s got one hit against him in that we were relegated. However the fact that he gives the impression of knowing what he’s doing is a great start a our football club. That allied to what we’ve already seen with morale and results drastically improving augurs well.
    He’s still got it all to do but he’s made an excellent start. Bring it on!

  • 92 Jib // Jun 13, 2016 at 7:47 AM

    firebug666 // Jun 13, 2016 at 7:32

    Seems to me it’s posters like carl that say FA about football.

    Really firebug – really ?

    “Rafa has a clearly devised transfer strategy. The level of communication from Benitez will answer a lot of the questions being asked in the pubs and clubs. He’s an excellent communicator and what a massive contrast from Mc and Carver. It will be important to hit the ground running come 6th August and with a settled side not too impacted by late transfer activity. The man with a plan and activity on the training front never fails to impress. This really could just be the beginning of something worthwhile.”

    That seems like footy talk to me !

    I think firebug posts so rarely because he’s usually on here as Jail for Ashley – one of them there multiple thingies he’s so keen to accuse others of !

  • 93 Spoof // Jun 13, 2016 at 7:48 AM

    Macca was dreadful, how many times do you have to lose away from home to realize that your sir back tactics aren’t working, he got sacked in March and still he hadn’t realized it, what a numpy.

  • 94 firebug666 // Jun 13, 2016 at 7:50 AM

    carl

    I refuse to give you the argument you are seeking, and I will not get into my dads bigger than you dad either.

    For the record, I have yet to see you in a football discussion, generally you seek trouble and get it, but not from me today I really can’t be bothered with you petty sniping.

    On the football front, if anything happens that is interesting to me, I will get involved.

  • 95 firebug666 // Jun 13, 2016 at 7:53 AM

    Jib

    From you I expect nothing less, you must be over the moon that your ally has returned.

    Like I said, it’s you and your ilk that drive bloggers away, Now you have succeed again………see ya!

  • 96 Spoof // Jun 13, 2016 at 8:01 AM

    carl, firebug, jail, jib and whoever else it may concern concern, if you don’t like each other then fine, just ignore each other and please stop this petty fighting and blaming of one another, know one cares who is too blame, please have some consideration for others and stop this, you are all making yourselves look foolish yet reading your post without the squabbling in it I can see that none of you are fool’s so please stop or we will continue to lose more and more posters.
    ,

  • 97 expatmag // Jun 13, 2016 at 8:01 AM

    Firebug…here here

    Although JFA is hardly blameless mate

  • 98 expatmag // Jun 13, 2016 at 8:06 AM

    Firebug

    Woukdnt it be nice if the main protagonists on this forum fcuked off to a blog more appropriate such as the drama wuens forum or perhaps a kadies wrestling forum previously suggested by TUFF.

  • 99 expatmag // Jun 13, 2016 at 8:08 AM

    That would be drama queens forum

  • 100 firebug666 // Jun 13, 2016 at 8:11 AM

    expat

    PMSl

  • 101 Spoof // Jun 13, 2016 at 8:12 AM

    Expat

    You’re hardly helping mate, as I said, just ignore and don’t respond.

  • 102 hibbitt // Jun 13, 2016 at 8:15 AM

    another day in paradise !!!!!

  • 103 firebug666 // Jun 13, 2016 at 8:20 AM

    Spoof

    I apologise mate, maybe I should not have responded, but everything was good and football related until carl came on and destroyed the mood.

    I was about to post that imo McClaren knew what he was signing up to, he jumped at the chance to manage us, and though I didn’t want him here in the first place I said I would back him and I did.

    His failures are his alone, he couldn’t get the consistency in the team, had poor man management skills, and continued to play players out of position in a failed system even after having 80m spent on the team in two windows.

    Right I am off now… got other things to be doing.

  • 104 carl // Jun 13, 2016 at 8:23 AM

    firebug
    ally? In my opinion Jib makes a contribution on the blog towards imparting European football and domestic news. He has recently out scooped Ed and my daily news bulletins and football reading journalists. He’s also more often than not telling me something I don’t already know. He doesn’t always get it right but for me he’s a good football contributor I don’t read his other in-put . Whilst JFA has constantly attacked me and questioned my presence on the blog.

    Spoof
    A good point. I will make an effort but it takes two to tango. BandB has proven very influential in guiding JFA in the past. If he can overcome his obsessive paranoid multiple problem then the blog will benefit. Failing that aside from ignoring I will not post.

  • 105 expatmag // Jun 13, 2016 at 8:28 AM

    Spoof

    I come on this forum rarely these days and I long ago lost any interest in discussing football matters with some of the lunatics here because wuite clearly, they are mischievous

  • 106 Spoof // Jun 13, 2016 at 8:49 AM

    carl

    your not helping either, why bring BandB into it, it’s unnecessary, all it does is add fuel to the fire.

    Expat

    then do as I do, ignore it, this is the first time that I have got involved, albeit as a peacemaker but involved I am, this is the first time and I only got involved due to how bad this forum now is, it has to stop and the only way it will is if yourself and everyone does as I do, which is too ignore it.

  • 107 carl // Jun 13, 2016 at 8:59 AM

    Spoof
    Simply because I hadn’t posted for some days and neither had BandB.
    The latter by repute has a controlling influence on loose cannons.
    Last night randomly JFA and a poster AC (?!) started posting about me in an offensive manner. Given that I am a long term poster this was unacceptable and it was not my doing.
    You need to put into context as it started up when I wasn’t present.

  • 108 Spoof // Jun 13, 2016 at 9:12 AM

    carl

    then just ignore it m8, can you not see by responding all your doing is adding fuel to the fire, if you ignore them and they ignore you then the petty squabbling will end and we will have our civilised forum back, it isn’t that difficult, just try it for two weeks and see how it goes, I know it’s not nice when you get dragged into things and I know it’s not easy to ignore it but try it,

    PS, it doesn’t matter what they say about you as know one takes it seriously and thinks less of you due to what someone else is saying about you and vice versa, you could say what you like about others but know one will think any less of them either, so what is the point as all that is happening is that it spoils the forum for others which is very selfish.

  • 109 Carl819 // Jun 13, 2016 at 12:08 PM

    The reason we were relegated is because you, schteve, were rubbish at your job. Why charley charmlessly thought schteve was a good idea when he was either sacked or left before he was sacked from his last 5 jobs is beyond everyone with an IQ greater than a moron.




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