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Rafa Unlikely To Sell One Of His Goalkeepers This Summer

3:33 pm, Wednesday, June 15th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 47 Comments

News today that new Everton boss Ronald Koeman wants to buy goalkeeper Tim Krul from Newcastle as a replacement for the departing 37 year-old Tim Howard, who announced in March he would be coming back over here to play for the Colorado Rapids in the MLS.

That’s the second time in two years the Saints have unearthed a top manager who did well for them in the Premier League, only to lose him rather quickly to a bigger club.

Current Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino joined Southampton in January, 2013 only to leave two years ago to join Spurs.

tim krul saints first game 2015

Tim Krul – wanted by Everton

Koeman has been at Southampton for two seasons and had them finish in 7th and 6th places respectively – an excellent performance from the Dutchman.

News today that Koeman is to be given big funds to rebuild the Everton squad by the new owners and he’s interested in signing Tim Krul and in some reports also interested in signing another Dutchman at Newcastle – Gini Wijnaldum.

It looks like Tim will have recovered from his serious ACL knee injury for the start of the Championship season on August 6th and we will also have Karl Darlow fit as well as 19 year-old top young prospect Freddie Woodman.

We doubt that Rafa would let Tim Krul leave early in the summer until he can first take a look at Tim in training and in pre-season.

But with three senior goalkeepers in the squad in Tim, Rob Elliot and Karl Darlow, Rafa could well sell one of them and Tim would bring the most in the transfer market for sure.

However, we would be surprised if Tim even wants to leave Newcastle where he’s been for 11 years and likely wants to be part of the rebuilding of the club under world-class manager Rafa Benitez.

Rob Elliot will probably return in November at the earliest from his ACL injury, so Rafa could well decide to keep his three goalkeepers at least for this season.

In our poll, Newcastle fans still think Tim is Newcastle’s best goalkeeper, followed by Rob Elliot and Karl Darlow – both of whom performed excellently last season when Tim was out.

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Tags: Freddie Woodman · Karl Darlow · Newcastle News · Rob Elliot · Tim Krul




47 responses so far ↓

  • 1 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 15, 2016 at 3:37 PM

    Russia back in it

  • 2 Jail for Ashley // Jun 15, 2016 at 3:40 PM

    I’ll say it again.
    IF WE SELL TIM KRUL WE HAVE ONE FIT EXPERIENCED KEEPER ON THE BOOKS.

  • 3 YouCouldn'tMakeItUp // Jun 15, 2016 at 3:43 PM

    Jail

    Yeah and i think Elliot isn’t due to be fit until end of sept.

  • 4 Rotonda heights // Jun 15, 2016 at 4:13 PM

    i used to be a massive krul fan, but certainly his distribution hasn’t improved any. do we really need krul any more, with darlow, woodman and eliot. i know eliot is currently injured but we need to show some faith in woody and learn from our mistake in letting foster go. If Koeman wants dutch please take Janmatt as well.

    Re – kadar if he was really s–t scared of playing in front of a crowd surely he wouldn’t have been taken on in the first place and subsequently there’s been no proof of that. Point is we were in a hole for a couple of games where he could have come in temporarily, in the absense of any height elsewhere in defense.

    ”Woy” got the gig because he’s basically won nothing and no one else wantedit. woy’s middle name is cautious, so milner, sterling and rooney will all carry on regardless over in form players.

  • 5 Jail for Ashley // Jun 15, 2016 at 4:20 PM

    Rotonda,
    Do you really think it is a good idea to go into the most important season for seven years with one experienced keeper. Woodman is a young lad and being exposed to early could ruin him as it did Jak Alwnick, we could still keep him but send him on loan.
    Ah sod it, lets sell Krul and get 7M and just pray that Woodman is ready if Darlow gets injured while we wait for the perennially injured Elliot to recover.

  • 6 Jail for Ashley // Jun 15, 2016 at 4:21 PM

    And what happens if Woodman gets a knock or sent off, nar, that could never happen could it!!!!

  • 7 MadisonToon // Jun 15, 2016 at 4:26 PM

    Jail

    I hear your words of caution, but I’d be for selling Krul. We have three keepers who are roughly equivalent (IMHO) in Krul, Elliot and Darlow with Darlow needing game time to likely get even better. If we have Krul stay, he will be the starter and Elliot will get cup games (or the other way round if Rafa so decides) but it will leave Darlow without any match time. If we sell Krul we can give Darlow the cups and have Woodman on reserve in case we get into injury worries.

    I can’t imagine we need more than that as backup and think we could let Krul move on to pastures new, pick up a decent fee and get his wages off the books freeing up more space for Rafa to build his team.

  • 8 Spoof // Jun 15, 2016 at 4:33 PM

    Jail

    I’m on the sell Krul bandwagon as well, he isn’t the same keeper that he once was, ever since he dislocated his shoulder against Sunderland he has struggled, the odd really good game here and there, but generally he is now average at best, Elliot and Darlow will not let us down and what is the point of having Woodman if we haven’t got enough confidence in him to make him third choice, I understand your reservations regarding experience but don’t forget that Darlow does have quite a bit of experience at Championship level and in fairness to him once he overcame his nerves he done ok for us last season.

  • 9 MadisonToon // Jun 15, 2016 at 4:37 PM

    Spoof

    Spot on my thinking – we’ll just have to see what Rafa decides. I think we could get 5+ million for him which would give us the freedom to up some of our other bids that might be just below the necessary amount to get in quality.

  • 10 Jail for Ashley // Jun 15, 2016 at 4:39 PM

    Ok,
    Are all of you who think we should sell Krul suggesting that we start the season with one experienced keeper or do you think we should by a new keeper.
    I remember the majority wanting to drive Tiote to the airport while we watched Saviet set the league alight, that would have worked out well wouldn’t it.

  • 11 Jib // Jun 15, 2016 at 4:46 PM

    We have quoted Roma €30 million !
    Gerrin Rafa
    WTG

    http://www.si24.it/2016/06/15/mercato-roma-wijnaldum-kovacic-per-sostituire-pjanic-contatti/251548/

    Roma now talking about a player plus cash deal.

  • 12 Spoof // Jun 15, 2016 at 4:49 PM

    Jail

    In all honesty I think it would be wise to assess Rob Elliot’s injury, if he is going to be back or back within a week or two then I would let Krul go, if we aren’t 100% sure about Elliot then yes I agree with you, it would be fool hardy to let Krul go and leave us with just Darlow and Woodman.

    For arguments sake lets assume that Elliot won’t be back for a while I would still sell Krul as I have serious doubts about his abilities now and replace him with another keeper, but you are right about not leaving ourselves too exposed.

  • 13 SPRINGY // Jun 15, 2016 at 4:51 PM

    afternoon all
    krul has’nt been at his best for a season or two before he got injured,his kicking has never been good and does’nt seem to improve…i hope he comes back and sees this as a new challenge and ups his game…i would’nt sell him…not till he’s back and we’ve had a chance to see if he’s up for the challenge…and the fact we are struggling for fit keepers with first team experience means it should’nt be considered.

  • 14 MadisonToon // Jun 15, 2016 at 4:54 PM

    Jail –

    Are you counting Elliot as the experienced keeper or Darlow? Elliot should be back either September or October which means he’ll be returning relatively early on in the season pending a decent recovery.

    Darlow between the sticks should be good for the beginning with Woodman as a backup. If Darlow does get hurt before Elliot gets back (i.e. in August) then we do have the opportunity to get someone in for either the short or long-term as the transfer window isn’t closed.

    Our keeper shouldn’t have too much to do either if the defense gets properly sorted by Rafa this summer as I’d expect the top teams in the Championship to see 5 or less shots on target per game, meaning even an inexperienced keeper (Woodman) could do decently.

  • 15 Spoof // Jun 15, 2016 at 4:54 PM

    Jib

    where does it mention about a player plus cash deal, and which player are they alleged to be offering.

  • 16 Jib // Jun 15, 2016 at 4:59 PM

    La Roma nei prossimi giorni cercherà di far abbassare il prezzo del cartellino magari inserendo qualche contropartita.

    Rome will try to modify the price of the deal by inserting some counterpart.

  • 17 Spoof // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:03 PM

    Yes I can see that now, but £30m, even with a player exchange that’s still a hell of a lot, can you see a deal being thrashed out, I would be surprised but you never know !

  • 18 Jail for Ashley // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:07 PM

    I’m banging my head against a wall here. Woodman needs first team experience. We have seen the importance of having three experienced keepers. Is 5.5/7M so important when you look at the bigger picture.
    We don’t need an experienced keeper as he won’t have much to do, Madison, no offence mate but are you for real, we are not going to win every game 3-0, of course you need an experienced head in your goal or opposition pepper it giving them belief. Why is the money so importat, flog him in January if we really must.

  • 19 Jail for Ashley // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:10 PM

    I’m not being funny here but so many people wanted rid of Tiote for the reported 5M, as it turned out it didn’t matter but what would the 5M have counted for????

  • 20 lesh // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:18 PM

    Jib

    Quoting €30m for gini is nonsense. Has the fee been misrepresented when £35m would’ve been more like it if we really want £30m for him?

    Of course you won’t be expected to know the reality – or maybe you will be!

  • 21 lesh // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:21 PM

    Having seen their team lose to Slovakia, no doubt the Russian daft lads’ll be in fine fettle tonight.

  • 22 Ron Knee // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:22 PM

    Sissoko scaling the heights:-

    “Wantaway Newcastle United midfielder Moussa Sissoko is being targeted by West Bromwich Albion.”

  • 23 Jail for Ashley // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:24 PM

    lesh,
    I wouldn’t pay too much to Jib in any language. In the last thread he took great delight in proving Rotonda wrong because Nufc.com hadn’t mentioned Kadar when addressing the CB problem in the link he posted, when in fact the article blatantly says ‘Tomas Kadar didn’t make the 18 despite being belatedly given a squad number’. Maybe his Spanish, German, Italian, Gealic and Weslsh is better than his English.

  • 24 Jail for Ashley // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:25 PM

    Ron Knee,
    That would make my summer.

  • 25 Jail for Ashley // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:31 PM

    Can you imagine the grief he’d get when he turns up here in a WBA shirt, he’d be getting himself a straight red the game before I think.

  • 26 Ron Knee // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:31 PM

    Jail

    Sissoko-Pulis: a marriage made in heaven.

  • 27 MadisonToon // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:36 PM

    Jail –

    What would keeping him accomplish? We would be more than covered for any goalkeeper crisis without providing us any other benefits. He hasn’t been better than either Elliot or Darlow recently so we would have a trifecta of capable keepers, particularly in the Championship. Woodman appears to be a high quality up-and-comer. Krul’s growth has essentially stopped in the last few seasons so he isn’t likely to get much better (although he is certainly a capable keeper). Will we be able to keep all three of them happy when they are all fit? Will Woodman want to look for a different club were he has the potential of breaking into the first team? Those are serious issues that Rafa would have to balance if we keep him.

    If we sell him then we provide more flexibility to Rafa for making purchases at the beginning of his time here rather than if we sell him later and there is an added benefit of helping balance wages out (depending on where you get the info he’s on 35-50k/wk). We will only be in trouble at GK if things go wrong with Elliot’s recovery and we get a freak long-term injury to Darlow which would leave us with Woodman and no clear backup.

    There’s a small percentage chance that this is a bad idea, and, again IMO, a larger chance that this is a good one. You’re more than welcome to disagree, I just see this adding flexibility for Rafa and doesn’t come at a great cost.

  • 28 MadisonToon // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:40 PM

    In regards to Tiote for 5m:

    I think much of the bonus of selling players that are on their last legs like Tiote and Cisse is that they’re unlikely to be long-term parts of Rafa’s plan and we all see Rafa as a long-term manager. Letting players move on who are more towards the twilight of their careers and may have not had any connection with Rafa will allow him to bring in players who he has identified are likely to perform well under him and fit into his desired tactical style rather than forcing what we currently have to do what he wants with potentially mixed success. For me, providing more flexibility is the point of moving on Cisse and Tiote, not getting large sums of money.

    The financial component of the deals is not in making cash on the sale but lowering the wage bill so that there is room in there to make additions/alterations to current contracts or for new purchases according to the needs of the future team.

    Again, your thoughts and wishes for this may vary, this is just where I see the benefits.

  • 29 Jail for Ashley // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:48 PM

    Madison,
    But where are we covered. Elliot does not have a return date. Jak Alwnick was seen as a hot prospect but his lack of first team experience undone him. Woodman needs to be out on loan not sitting on the bench behind Lascelles. Penny piching in the way you are suggesting has had us in three relegation battles in four years. If you are willing to jeopardise our promotion campaign by risking going into a new season with last seasons second or third choice keeper and a young lad with 12 league two matches under his belt then yes we are going to have to disagree.

  • 30 SPRINGY // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:54 PM

    reports theres kick offs in lille again tonight

  • 31 Jail for Ashley // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:54 PM

    Regarding Tiote,
    Who in their right minds would have sold your most experienced relegation battle hardened DM while in the middle of the worst relegation battle we’d faced so far because that’s what the bluepri t says to do. I know it, would be the same idiots that dreamed up a transfer policy that seen us eventually relegated after a few narrow escapes.

  • 32 SPRINGY // Jun 15, 2016 at 5:56 PM

    i would’nt sell tiote either tbh…need his strength in the championship.

  • 33 MadisonToon // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:03 PM

    Sure we can burden the team with the last regime’s players and harken back to their useful days to say why we need them. Or we can look forward to what will happen in this season and the next if we don’t make major changes. I don’t see MA putting huge funds forward for RB to work with unless he makes some moves with current players.

    Who would you like him to sell aside from Gini/Sissoko? If nobody goes, how will we have either the funds or the wage budget to strengthen in CB/CF/FB/Wingers like we all know we need to?

    I’d be happy for Tiote to stay and be an enforcer in the Championship, not sure if he’d be happy to do that. I’d be happy for Krul to stay and grow into a world-beater, I’m not sure that will happen. If everyone stays, with being relegated, I don’t think we’ll be able to get much in and that will be a problem which I think we can all agree on.

    I’m just trying to figure out what would make the most sense for us to be able to move forward. Happy to hear other thoughts on how to do that.

  • 34 MadisonToon // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:03 PM

    Happy to continue the conversation later, but I’m off for a bit.

  • 35 GeordieTwo // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:03 PM

    Krul’s extremely thin feet are a real worry. That’s what puts me off of him. Elliot clearly distributes the ball better with his wider feet and Darlow is coming on fast. Keep Krul until January if possible. Then use Elliot with Darlow handling cup games. Krul deserves a good sending off though.

  • 36 GeordieTwo // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:05 PM

    We could sell Riviere for some much needed European cheese and wine. Possibly get some party hats as well….

  • 37 GeordieTwo // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:07 PM

    A few of those noise makers would be nice as well…..

  • 38 GeordieTwo // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:10 PM

    And could we possibly get some Horlicks for Rafa’s evenings by the fire please? I mean Rivi has to bring in something worthwhile….Harrumph.

  • 39 GeordieTwo // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:11 PM

    I agree with those who want to keep Tiote. The Wildebeest will run amok in the Championship. Attackers’ kneecaps are trembling as we speak….

  • 40 Ron Knee // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:14 PM

    Nice goal!

  • 41 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:21 PM

    We should only accept a bid from West Brom just to see how Sissoko handles that

  • 42 GeordieTwo // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:22 PM

    Have you lot tried the Ukrainian sausage kolbassa? Just roast it for 30 minutes in the oven, then slice it up and eat it with cold beer and cheese…. Mmmmmm.

  • 43 GeordieTwo // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:22 PM

    Very nice from the Swiss.

  • 44 GeordieTwo // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:25 PM

    Once we get the pygmy striker up to speed we’re away to the races. Head butting the defenders in the knackers without even bending over. Then onto the powerful left foot and into the net.

  • 45 GeordieTwo // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:27 PM

    Let’s just get serious for a moment lads. What else do we need for a successful promotion season? We need more pace in case somebody steals Townsend away. Another quick winger. We need a good backup RB. We need an experienced striker. We need a good AM. If we got those four positions filled in we’d be fairly hard to beat.

  • 46 GeordieTwo // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:29 PM

    We also need a fresh patch of grass for Rivi to graze on if we keep him…..

  • 47 GeordieTwo // Jun 15, 2016 at 6:32 PM

    Certainly Janmaat, Sissoko, and Wijnaldum are going to be away. If we get at least 28M for them I’ll drive them to the airport.




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