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Rafa Readies Major Clear-Out At Newcastle

2:10 pm, Sunday, August 14th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 157 Comments

After what has been a nervous and tentative two games and two defeats for Newcastle, as we start in the Championship for the first time since 2009, let’s hope it’s just some teething problems with our new team under Rafa Benitez.

There seems to be some instability being caused by players wanting to leave the club – among them being players like Emmanuel Riviere, Moussa Sissoko and Henri Saivet – and it looks like St. Etienne are willing to take Henri on loan for next season and pay some of his wages.

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Emmanuel Riviere – to be moved out

Saivet is yet another poor signing that we have to loan out after he has only been at the club for seven months and has five years left on his Newcastle contract and is on high wages of close to £40K/week.

That will make it difficult to sell Saivet any time soon.

The Chronicle is reporting today that Rafa wants to clear out players before the end of August who have no future at Newcastle and they include Emmanuel Riviere, Henri Saivet,  Yoan Gouffran, Sammy Ameobi and Haris Vuckic.

Sammy and Haris should have already been moved out of the club last summer, but they were kept on because of the chance they could shine on loan last season – they didn’t.

Moussa Sissoko will stay at Newcastle unless some club comes in with a £35M bid for him and the same essentially goes for Cheick Tiote, who is also said to want to leave the club.

Unless an acceptable bid comes in for Cheick he will also stay on Tyneside.

So if we still have Moussa and Cheick come September,  they both had better be prepared to knuckle down and help Newcastle start winning some games.

Rafa wants to bring in an other striker in the mold of Aleksandar Mitrovic before September and we are still hoping to get 20 year-old left-back Brendan Galloway in from Everton on a season long loan deal, even though Middlesbrough have now made a move for him.

Let’s hope we can get a win at home to Reading on Wednesday night – we must get a win as soon as possible so our players can get some of their confidence back.

And that goes for our supporters too!

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157 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Rotonda heights // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:12 PM

    easier said than done

  • 2 hibbitt // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:14 PM

    jazzyp

    last night i thought Yarm was a long drive god knows what was going through your mind !!!

  • 3 Our Toon // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:14 PM

    Another shocking performance yesterday, reality check for our fans who instantly hype players without any merit. I keep reading 4-2-3-1 doesn’t work in the championship etc. Bollocks does it not, it works if played right and you have the right personnel to play the formation.

    In the summer Rafa has wasted money on duds, bang average players. I had a dig at Aaron’s on Thursday by stating he hasn’t done anything since he broke into the team. The hype around him is hilarious

    Lascelles, I said it wouldn’t be long till people had a go at him, should never be captain, has promise as a younger players but the hype he was getting was again ridiculous.

    Perez apparently plays like Suarez according to some on here or is of similar style, another lad that is poor!!

    I have no issues with the formation rafa chooses to play, he needs to drop Anita from RW, it’s embarrassing for a club like this that we can’t find a RW. We’ve loaned some lads that would have been better off staying

  • 4 SPRINGY // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:17 PM

    would keep rivvy,we striker options,moussa if the money is right,saivet…never really seen the bloke but he must not of impressed along vuckic,goofy and ameobi……these last 3 can all play down the left side….and our left side is piss poor…so how bad have these lot been?

  • 5 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:21 PM

    Munster
    The rule appears to be: You’re not allowed to criticise anyone who is sanctified. If you do, it means you want to see them crucified.

  • 6 jazzyp // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:21 PM

    Hobbit
    3hrs of anger mate let me tell ya. Especially as there is 13 mile of road works on the A1as well… Just to send me over the edge lol

  • 7 jazzyp // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:22 PM

    Hibbitt my apologies, damn mobile

  • 8 BandB // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:25 PM

    jazzyp,

    If Rafa thinks he’s on the receiving end of the club’s dark arts he won’t stick around to be made a patsy for business as usual.
    Take away the fig-leaf of Rafa, and what we are seeing is a club making itself comfortable in this division.
    Before Rafa signed I said there was a touch of Don Quixote about him…a man with a taste for noble causes that look lost. The problem with Don Quixote was that he didn’t always see things for what they were. He may have imagined himself as a white knight riding to the rescue. When he might have just bitten off more than he, or anyone else, can chew.
    As I’ve said many times before, some companies always try to solve their problems with a PR coup. They have no intention of changing their ways or fixing their customer care.
    Last season it was “the board” and “Old Man Carr” left holding the baby. This year it will be Rafa, if he fails to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.
    It’s started already.
    Things will not get better if he quits.

  • 9 ShirebrookToon // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:31 PM

    Jazzy

    I share that pain of over a 3 hour drive back home mate. It’s not nice

  • 10 expatmag // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:32 PM

    He he….Hobbit

    Must be short hairy dwarf from new zealand…..lol

  • 11 Mag52 // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM

    If we don’t win on Wednesday, my prediction with Martoon of a fifth place finish will even start to look a bit optimistic.

  • 12 John Tudor // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM

    start with any of our starting elevens

  • 13 SPRINGY // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:40 PM

    shirebrook
    good job you and jazzy were’nt in the same car…..coz would of been a toxic drive back!!lol

  • 14 Munster Mag // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:42 PM

    Well put blackley. In my case my questions re rafa football approach has meant fellas saying i want pardew back! Maybe ritchie broke a defensive shape in training and got dropped. I jest! But rafa has signed one of the best centre backs, best ri7ght wingers in recent years ( and played him on left) , best midfielder maybe (diame) and 5 others so we need to buck up. The club hasnt let rafa down in any way. Problem is, if mitro played yesterday wud we have won? Cos if not, we have a real problem

  • 15 ShirebrookToon // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:44 PM

    Springy

    The roadworks wouldn’t have helped either lol

  • 16 SPRINGY // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:47 PM

    shirebrook
    glad i was’nt there for that!lol

  • 17 SPRINGY // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:48 PM

    so is sissoko back in the rading game then?…..if so where…and for who?

  • 18 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:48 PM

    Bandb – while not saying it’s actually happening yet, what I fear is the parade being packed away, the ticker tape and confetti bagged, and the “Business as Usual” sign going up. But I disagree about the part that Benitez will be this seasons patsy. If and when there is a parting if the ways, I think by then most will realise that even with the best man at the helm, a rusty hulk given minimal maintenance is the problem behind the lack of sea worthiness. I’m troubled by thoughts of Carr and Charnleys continued input to the finances and dealings of our transfers. it’s all starting to look like Rafa is not the puppet master he was projected to be. I’m hoping of course that this is merely a blip in a transitional phase, and that in the coming weeks we will see Rafas team vision shaping up. Still…this is Mike Ashleys Newcastle, isn’t it? 😐

  • 19 SPRINGY // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:48 PM

    in for the reading game#

  • 20 Rotonda heights // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:50 PM

    Band B

    As cynical as we have become i don’t think it’s in ashleys best interests to miss out on these obscene tv deals. He surely wants us back in the promised land asap. What he wants after that is another matter entirely. I quite like the idea of NUFC being Dulcinea to Benitez’s Don Quixote !

  • 21 ShirebrookToon // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:52 PM

    Springy

    I would play him in the number 10 role and move Diame to DM alongside Shelvey. But then we’re still short in LM. Knockeart would fill that gap but can’t see it happening

  • 22 BandB // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:55 PM

    Tsunki

    My point was that the effort is already underway to ensure that the heat of any fan discontent is channelled and applied to Rafa’s feet. Rafa was a God with the fans two weeks ago. Some have clearly registered that he will have to be subjected to a daily campaign to undermine that popularity to ensure there’s no backlash if he leaves.

  • 23 SPRINGY // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:59 PM

    shirebrook
    not sure diame next to shelvey would give enough cover in front of the defence,it may end up being one or the other….the left mid is very weak at the minute….aarons looked like a 7yr old playing footy with adults…just bouncing off people,dont know if he’s carrying an slight knock or maybe not quite up to speed at the minute….rivvy,goofy,vuckic,ameobi have all played that position in the past at some stage but non are looking like they are likely to challenge….sad really.

  • 24 jazzyp // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:14 PM

    Shirebrook
    Did ya go game mate ??

  • 25 ShirebrookToon // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:17 PM

    Jazzy

    No mate. Hoping to get up there soon though

  • 26 ShirebrookToon // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:18 PM

    But I know that feeling you had yesterday mate lol

  • 27 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:22 PM

    Bandb – sadly it would make sense for Benitez to be hung out ready for praise or just to dry. Carr and Charnley did well to evade being bundled out of a moving metro carriage following the McLaren fiasco – surviving that episode by hiring Benitez places them in an almost invulnerable position. “What more could we have done” is the headline of the club statement that has probably undergone preparation already. However, if Benitez fails to get this side into the premier league, there may be scrutiny at how he came to assemble such a paltry squad from so much money – the keen observer will note I have not enthused or commented on our transfer dealings as I find the entire mob less than inspiring, Ritchie and possibly Diame excluded. It hasn’t surprised me there has been a rocky start, I said this would happen. That’s because the team as it stands is rubbish, even for this league. As it stands.

    So far, the club has signed a few personnel, but it is still in the business of saving money. If bwnitez is still left short handed come the end of this window, and it is still handsomely in the black, I will be a tad suspicious of what would seem to be the same old same old with the poster boy Benitez in the style of Stakhanov, fronting the same old flawed regime.

  • 28 jazzyp // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:25 PM

    Shirebrook

    It’s even worse now pal with the road works on the A1.
    50 mph speed restrictions for 13 mile.
    Oh well things we do for love of a club eh!!
    What part of the ground do ya sit ??. I am block 12 Platinum.

  • 29 Ian Toon // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:29 PM

    BandB- Don’t go looking for problems that don’t exist. You’re misrepresenting the situation. Expectation was way too high with the revamp of a failed brand. It will take time for so many new players to gel and for Rafa to sift the wheat from the chaff- probably until around the closing of the transfer window. All of which I highlighted a month ago when deciding not to join the mass euphorhia and forecast winning promotion in a canter. Talk of this was not in the script is nonsense because many did see the Rafa Revolution as a work in progress in a marathon and not a sprint. Along with Jimmy Smith a number of us have constantly said you dilute the brand by selling your best players. I did again yesterday pre match.

    We currently lack creativity and a cutting edge. Mitrovic’s return will aid Gayle and cease to make so many balls into the box futile.

    Yesterday saw us create very little from a lot of possession. The defence was again a shambles for their goals. Lascalles is nervous and I can see a further revamp of the defence in coming days. Colback does the simple things well in a dogged resolute way. Blend is all important it’s the difference between functioning and not. Colback would have been the easy short ball out from the back. Lascalles is not a Rio or Stones. Link play at pace without misfiring DM’s is called for.

    With so much possession we created a number of chances but invariably selected the wrong option; Gale who was subdued will blend with someone like Mitrovic in a 4-4-2. The preferred option at home with so much possession.

    I disagree with Blackley the crowd were abysmal because they should make much more effort to spark the team into life. Janmaat is not being helped by the limited Anita who impedes flow. The pairing of Dummett with the nervous Aarons meant we only were a threat when Ritchie was introduced out wide.

  • 30 BandB // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:32 PM

    Well Ian,

    There I go again, suggesting things that are never going to happen……

  • 31 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:35 PM

    Ian sounds a lot like what Mr Charnley would be looking for in a PR handout.

  • 32 Belfast // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:40 PM

    Well I hope Rafas rafalution fairs better than Maccas brave new world Ian he he

  • 33 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM

    😀 Belfast aye that’s the one. Now that one DID come with enthused hand rubbing.

  • 34 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:42 PM

    …amongst other things

  • 35 ShirebrookToon // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:43 PM

    Jazzy

    Family area mate as usually go with my mate and his lad. Thinking about becoming a member though as its not the best seats

  • 36 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:44 PM

    So, Belfast… did Jesper the Danish Jester turn up after all? I didn’t think he could resist apportioning the blame on Benitez for his lack of skipper-spinning ha ha.

  • 37 ShirebrookToon // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:45 PM

    Was forestieri’s agent at st James’ yesterday or was that bollox?

  • 38 Belfast // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:47 PM

    No sign of Jesper whatsoever. I think he’s retired.

  • 39 jazzyp // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:48 PM

    Yeah we members bud.
    Seats a bit expensive but cracking uninterrupted views of the pitch.
    Give us a shout next time ya up and we’ll have a pint pal

  • 40 bettyswallocks // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:48 PM

    Tsunki……… To suggest there is some club conspiracy between Ashley and Charnley going on behind the scenes to underspend and be prepared to fail is total nonsense.
    The object of the exercise is to put a squad together capable of winning games and getting us back in the PL. Rafa hasn’t got a winning team together as yet. Most of us are hoping he succeeds in his quest.
    To suggest that Ashley is responsible for our two dismal displays and has a hidden agenda appears to be just another effort to get the Ashley discussion going again.

    Picking players, choosing formations, and instilling confidence and a winning mentality into the team is Rafa’a job and f..k all to do with Ashley.

  • 41 Belfast // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:48 PM

    It all went down hill for Macca after the brave new world talk Tsunki.

  • 42 Ian Toon // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:50 PM

    Belfast – Howdee doodee! Everything is relative after Carver. My spirit is lifted by the consistency of your brand. I am at the Emirates got a free season ticket from a goner who’s on holiday.

    Benitez will do the transfer business – he knows what is lacking. After all wasn’t it the t’orher Irishman who( actually along with Expalmag) said we just need to do a little tweaking of the team to win the League in a canter.

  • 43 ShirebrookToon // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:51 PM

    Jazzy

    Yeah will do pal.

  • 44 Ian Toon // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:51 PM

    Gooner

  • 45 ShirebrookToon // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:52 PM

    Jazzy

    How many of you is there that goes up mate?

  • 46 Ian Toon // Aug 14, 2016 at 3:57 PM

    BandB- You’ve never fully appreciated the difference between an opinion: fact. It really saves a lot of soul searching .
    Bye.

  • 47 jazzyp // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:00 PM

    Shirebrook
    Just me and wife mate.Always room if ya ever need a lift bud

  • 48 ShirebrookToon // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:07 PM

    Jazzy

    Nice one I’ll bear that in mind. You not far from me are ya?

  • 49 The next Mike Williamson // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:18 PM

    We can’t sell Sammi & Gouffran at the minute. If the squad stays as it is I have a horrible feeling one of them will end up as our 1st choice left-winger. And Vuckic can’t be far off being our best number 10. That’s because he’s our only natural number 10 apart from DeJong. And Riviere is our 3rd choice striker. Sad times.

    Three or 4 injuries could see Sammi, Gouffran, and Riviere all playing at once. Benitez needs to stop buying 3rd choice defenders, yet all we are being linked with is another left back.

  • 50 SPRINGY // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:22 PM

    with aarons struggling and possibly sissoko coming back,al probs get grief for this but was thinking against reading we could push ritchie left,diame thru the middle and sissoko wide right….or switch diame and sissoko….
    ——————————–selz———————————
    janmaat———-mbemba—-lascelles———–dummett
    ————————-hayden/tiote—————————-
    sissoko————-diame——–shelvey————ritchie
    ————————–gayle/arma—————————–
    one of each between hayden/tiote and gayle/arma….
    just an idea,ritchie is left footed so could do a better job then most there and diame has the engine to get up and down the centre midfield…..only if sissoko is drafted in like.

  • 51 Jib // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:39 PM

    By 11/September /2015
    Burnley had played 5 games

    LDDLD

    They were fourth from bottom with 3 points.

    The fans were screaming for Sean Dyche’s blood.

    They finished champions on 93 points 4 points ahead of Boro

  • 52 jazzyp // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:40 PM

    Shirebrook
    No mate, just past pleasley. About 2-3 mile from you

  • 53 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:40 PM

    Hahaha. Ian blames the crowd not the players even though the players didn’t give the crowd anything to shout about. The best the team could do was for Janmaat to waves his arms to rouse them. Like the rest of them, Ritchie apart, he could do f*** all else.

  • 54 Rafa Revolution // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:47 PM

    Fair Point Jib

  • 55 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:48 PM

    Rafa relies what getring rid of entire team?????

    Where do we get this sh1t from???

    Hope its true don’t see it happening… Huge problems for him.

  • 56 Jib // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:49 PM

    Sheffield have knocked back a bid of £7 million for Forestieri from Derby County.
    The S.Yorks club are studying a higher bid from another Championship club.
    I wonder who ?

  • 57 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:51 PM

    BandB sees Rafa as Don Quixote. It appears she also sees Machiavellian intrigue wherever she looks. You wouldn’t guess we were talking about a football club that had lost a couple of games.

  • 58 toon kk // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:52 PM

    Rafa is a top manager there’s no doubt about it, but he’s used to working with top quality players, not second rate chancers.
    The championship isn’t all about quality anyway it’s about hard work and determination. Something we’re not used to.

  • 59 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:56 PM

    We need a Coutinho type player. Great footballer he is. One of the best.

  • 60 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:56 PM

    Diame shouldn’t be anywhere near a start after that performance. The worst debut I’ve seen at SJP for many years.

  • 61 Ketsbaia9 // Aug 14, 2016 at 4:59 PM

    Is this Forrestieri similar to Coutinho. We need that type of player. May as well pay the £11m to sign Knockeart and get the job done.

  • 62 Jib // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:09 PM

    W have also upped our bid for Knockeart from £7 to £11million
    http://www.lensois.com/2016/08/vers-une-grosse-offre-de-newcastle-pour-knockaert/

  • 63 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:11 PM

    looking at Arsenal and Scousers….we are 800000 light years away from them…

    Mane, Henderson, Lallana, Coutinho, Firmino….we don’t have a single player who is half one of them quality wise…and we wonder why we are in the Championship.

    Like many are saying need urgent quality signings otherwise we ain’t coming up for sure.

  • 64 Jib // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:13 PM

    4-2-3-1 seems to be working for Klopp 😀

  • 65 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:14 PM

    What a f+++ng goal….Loverpool tearing them apart GOOD…

    Thats what you get Wenger for being a penny pincher you disgusting filthbag.

  • 66 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:15 PM

    Should have ben 4:1 absolutely mauled loving it….take that Wenger prat.

  • 67 bettyswallocks // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:19 PM

    Blackley…… Machiavellian intrigue indeed. Very eloquently put. My thoughts exactly , It’s a game of football not a conspiracy against the fans from the hierarchy.

  • 68 BandB // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:22 PM

    A few years ago, Blackley, at the height of Optimism Valley, I described a club operating policy.
    This was roundly written off as imaginative nonsense…. until Mr Charnley helpfully outlined that it was precisely how the club operated in a statement some 18 months later.
    It was my opinion that these policies would see the club playing Russian Roulette with its Premier League status until it hit the chamber with the round in it.
    The trick is to believe what people at the club say and do, rather than come up with convulted theories to turn the meaning of what they say and do upside down in a desperate and self-deluding search for lessons learned.
    Mr Benitez has said repeatedly from the outset that he does not have a free hand on recruitment issues (the hat you are busy knitting for him) but that he works alongside Mr Charnley. He has never suggested he is the senior partner in this arrangement.
    If the operating model has indeed been torn up, there has been no new statement to that effect. It is that, that is nothing more than the assumption of fans.

  • 69 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:24 PM

    Mane goal of the season 4:2 now…INSANE GOAL

  • 70 bettyswallocks // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:25 PM

    Gorgonzola……….. We certainly are short of skilful players who can affect a game.

  • 71 BandB // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:26 PM

    Anyway, thank you to everyone who has been coaxed into laying their cards on the table over the last 24 hours. No real surprises as to who they might be.

  • 72 Jail for Ashley // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:28 PM

    Do we really want to buy a player who is prepared to go on strike to get a move, will this not just give our want away deluded midfielder the green light to do the same.

  • 73 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:28 PM

    mane signing of the season for Liverpool…wow always rated him….skillfull, fast, smart and great eye for goal….brilliant player.

  • 74 Jib // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:31 PM

    Jail for Ashley // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:28 PM
    Do we really want to buy a player who is prepared to go on strike to get a move

    Do the names Hatem ben Arfa and Yohan Cabaye ring a bell ?

  • 75 Moonraker15 // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:34 PM

    Gorgonzola
    We are light years away from QPR at the present time never mind the Scousers !

  • 76 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:36 PM

    Moonraker15

    we are light years away from Huddersfield mate never mind QPR.
    Joke of a club.

  • 77 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:40 PM

    I was trying to set out a decent, experienced starting 11 yesterday and realized with a shock that we are still short of good players at several positions. I wonder what Rafa makes of it. It shows what a shoddy mess had been created over the last several seasons by Ashley, Charnley and Carr.

  • 78 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:42 PM

    I still think we’ll get this turned around but the idea that every match was going to be a walkover is long gone now. For me the biggest problem currently is Sissoko. How do we get rid and get a decent return for him?

  • 79 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:45 PM

    How do we keep Charnley and Carr on at this point? They created this mess and they’re still there collecting their wage packets. Embarrassing and infuriating. Get them out and let Rafa bring in some people he knows and trusts.

  • 80 Jail for Ashley // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:45 PM

    Jib,
    Yes they do and I rightly condemned the policy after our MD said we only buy players with the right type of character. Yet more lies from people employed from the man you call Mike Wallace Ashley.

  • 81 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:45 PM

    Enough from me. I’ll read the posts and enjoy.

  • 82 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:49 PM

    Whoa steady on there Betty! Not saying there’s a conspiracy or an ulterior swipe at the sinister Mr Ashley, although my well documented distrust of the Fat Guy is well documented and let’s not forget historically cemented. However, I’m still prepared to believe that a new leaf is still in the process of turning over, and the lesson still in the process of being learned. I’m just saying that should we all find ourselves reflecting on a mediocre finish that leaves us languishing in the championship for another year, transfer turnover zeroed out nicely and the club ticking over on percentage profit figures, and Mr B. Heading out the exit door, what are we to conclude about the business design of the club? And who would be Benitez’s successor. Not another highly paid manager, “oh no- we tried that and it didn’t work.”. Not saying it will happen. But given the last ten years it has an awful tang of credibility.

  • 83 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:51 PM

    GeordieTwo

    exactly that…

    The list of crap players is much much much longer than ppl believe themselves.

    To me the following need to get rid off immediately.
    Anita, Coleback, Shelvey, (I am not sure why we are not playing Saivet is he that bad), Aarons(we just signed a contract nor sure why) Gouffy, Riviere, Dummet, Lascelles (he definitely isn’t captain material reserve at best), De Jong, Perez.

    All substandard players, weak, no consistency, etc etc. Apart from that 98% of the players don’t know how to turn up and play for a big club, all scared shitless.

    We await with great suspense at the end of August as what the club has decided to do rot in the Championship or come back to PL.

  • 84 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:52 PM

    G2 – having deftly sidestepped the delicate matter of being dismissed for their incompetent performance using the shield of operating profit success, they used their Joker in Rafa B. If he succeeds, they were right. If he fails, they were right. Foolproof.

  • 85 Budge123 // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:52 PM

    Munster
    Out of interest what was the lowest position anyone predicted we would finish and lowest points total?

  • 86 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:57 PM

    I hope it’s not as bad as that gorgonzola. I think we’ll have to give Aarons some time now, especially with the new 5 year contract. As for Shelvey, his wage makes him almost impossible to sell but I think he has to prove himself straight away. I would keep Anita but only to play RB when needed and possibly as a fill-in DM. Not sure what they’ll do with the others. Perez needs time to adjust to this division but the vision I had of him getting 12-15 goals this season is fading a bit. We’ll recover but some players definitely still have to go.

  • 87 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:58 PM

    Aye Tsunki mate. That sounds all too accurate @ 84 sadly.

  • 88 lochinvar // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:59 PM

    Even worse our pitch looks like a botched repair job compared to the Emirates pitch today….dig for victory is the way to go

  • 89 JamesToon // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:59 PM

    funny how people are already turning on lascelles, in may we were all saying this guy needs to be a guaranteed starter, jesus give everyone time

  • 90 BandB // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:59 PM

    Can I just say “very eloquently put, Tsunki?”
    In a slightly creepy, team-taggy sort of way.

  • 91 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:59 PM

    Gorgonzola – not only are you being a little harsh and reactionary (who says I don’t do understated ha ha?) but you are pegging players who are normally or potentially good as weak due to their performances being compromised by others. For example, Colback and Dummett have been lauded as being decent, honest, hardworking citizens. Yet the impact of the pointless aspects of their game on their midfield and defensive colleagues is deftly pointed towards said hapless colleagues. I believe our defensive errors, while being squarely shouldered by Mbemba, Lascelles and Sels, are in reality traceable to the unrelenting pressure made on them by the headless chickens playing in front of them. Some may blame the managers tactics, he should probably take a more bland, average or acceptable approach they say, like a Pardew type manager. Or they may be just crap, plain crap and that’s what he’s stuck with for the moment.

  • 92 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:01 PM

    Watch it Bandb – people may think you don’t view me as a turncoat traitor 🙂

  • 93 bettyswallocks // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:04 PM

    Tsunki……… Of course Ashley will have to shoulder some of the blame if we do crash and burn this season due to years of poor decision making .
    From what I can gather he had a meeting with Rafa and Charnley and relinquished control of football matters to Rafa with Charnley retained to implement and administrate Rafa’s decisions,

    There was obviously a budget set and agreed and within the confines of that budget Rafa was happy to stay and re organise the club for the better.
    This is still a work In progress and to suggest that Rafa is not in control or in agreement with the signings as BandB suggests is cynical beyond belief.
    Ashley will not throw 100s of millions of his own money into extravagent transfers as we are all aware but Rafa must have been confident that he could build a team with the budget he was allocated , so he should be judged on that further down the line.

  • 94 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:05 PM

    Apparently BandB is coaxing our views out. Does anyone know what her hiews are? Is she saying that Rafa isn’t in charge of the transfer budget and all the comings and goings? That Charnley and Carr are still pulling the strings? That Rafa is getting players that would not necessarily be his first choice?

  • 95 Jib // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:07 PM

    Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 5:4
    my well documented distrust of the Fat Guy is well documented.

    Is it well documented ?

  • 96 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:08 PM

    If he can manage it I think Rafa will move out several but only if we’re covered with incoming. Rivi for example should go but we desperately need another striker in. I would like to see De Jong go as well but who is our number 10? Tiote is obviously eager to part but again do we have another real attack destroyer right now? We can limp along but we aren’t going to dominate anybody without 3 or 4 incoming. I’ve finally realized that. My head is a little thick at times but I can work it out eventually.

  • 97 BandB // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:10 PM

    I can’t think of a single website anywhere where every single word that was ever written is searchable exactly is it was written.
    So yes, it is well documented.

  • 98 Jib // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:12 PM

    Jeeezus
    A couple of defeats and the gobshites take the stage spouting utter drivel.

  • 99 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:12 PM

    Come on Jib, you tell me!

  • 100 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:14 PM

    Anyway Betty – I believe I was talking about a Charnley/Carr scenario. Not Ashley. He only comes into it when the car actually goes off the cliff, not while the wheel is wobbling.

  • 101 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:15 PM

    Jib, and you’ve obviously relished joining in! Enjoy!

  • 102 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:15 PM

    Why would Rafa want to manage a club where he’s not in control? Not only that, but that Charnley and Carr are in control? Why would Ashley want Charnley and Carr in control of the transfer budget, especially after last season’s epic cock up? And especially after he’s paying Rafa a fortune to manage the club?

  • 103 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:16 PM

    Rafa will be busy re-evaluating the squad now and he may be in shock as much as we are. Some will clearly improve but the quality isn’t what it should be overall. Mitro will add some spine to the attack and if we can’t get a decent AM in we had better hope De Jong can get fit and stay fit. The left side has been a mess so far but if we do get Galloway and he’s as good as people say that might be covered. Not sure where Perez and Aarons will fit in. Is Gamez going to play and will he be any good? Lots of huge question marks…..

  • 104 BandB // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:18 PM

    I suppose the question has to be why their services were retained at all, “after last season’s epic cock-up.”

  • 105 Blackley and Brownlie // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:18 PM

    And so says Jib, Makro’s foremost apologist and stalwart fan of last season. Last man standing he was.

  • 106 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:18 PM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRMTDwpkIr8

    That fourth goal myyyyy wwoooorddd

  • 107 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:19 PM

    Hand in though – did everyone believe that Benitez was signed over total control of transfers without any scouting or financial input from our eminent axis of pathos? I don’t think theyve been completely neutered. The fact that we are £4m to the good in transfers already ( not counting the possible wage bill reduction) does have a teensy tinge of Mr Charnleys input about it. Just saying. I don’t think the chuckle brothers have been handed the cleaning trolley and told to swill out the toilets to earn their keep just yet.

  • 108 Yo-yo // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:21 PM

    JIB

    Be careful … this is exactly what you said last season when we had a mediocre coach. There are no guarantees even with a top class manager.
    Especially not at the Toon.

    I agree about the volume of drivel on this thread though. Far too much fiction about Machiavellian plots.

  • 109 bettyswallocks // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:22 PM

    Rafa has publicly stated that he is happy with the transfer arrangements and that Charnley has been helpful and cooperative in getting him what he requires. That sounds like Rafa is pulling those strings to me.

  • 110 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:24 PM

    Or are we supposed to believe that Charnley is just Rafas Cheque book carrier? Anyone could do that, on far less wages. And is the toothless crone cruising out to the rest home nodding approval and a gummy chuckle at every player Benitez scouts? Why keep him on? Wheel him under the train and have done with him.

  • 111 hibbitt // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:24 PM

    has someone gone on strike to join us they must be MAD !!!!

  • 112 Belfast // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:25 PM

    Gorgonzola you say we need five quality players and then propose we get rid of ten players immediately??

  • 113 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:25 PM

    I’m very wary about people suggesting that something is Machiavellian. Sounds sinister to me 🙂

  • 114 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:26 PM

    Ashley will be watching nervously from the sidelines though. He will probably draw the wrong conclusions if we continue to struggle. What he doesn’t realize (I don’t think a man with his ego would ever realize) that it has been his momentous cockups that have gotten us to this point. His hirings and sackings, his meddling, his lies.

  • 115 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:28 PM

    I don’t think it’s sinister at all Tsunki mate. It’s utter incompetence and huge ego that has driven this truck over the cliff. Ashley made that clear from the moment he hired and then fired Keegan. From then on it has been completely predictable.

  • 116 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:30 PM

    Yo-yo a lot of inaccurate things have been tested through time and found to be drivel indeed. But then a lot of things that have been past fiction are now present day accepted facts. It all only comes out after a good wash. But it is the blinkered who never prepares himself for a less than satisfactory outcome, especially when there is a plausible thread to pick at.

    I prefer to have an open field of view where many things are possible. Less disappointments that way. Being a nufc fan has in part helped to cultivate this approach 🙂

  • 117 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:36 PM

    G2 – to be fair to Ashley, he does come across as being the man who walked through the wrong door in a dodgy nightclub. But even if he is the hapless and unwary idiot he purports to be in this field of business, he still knows the value of hiring and firing the right individuals. And let’s not forget historically almost unrivalled track record of exploitation. I think he is desperately hoping this nufc thing will stop biting his a**e and eventually start licking his hand. But I also think he hasn’t got Charnley to completely let go of the purse strings on the clubs main area of spend. If he has, why keep him at all? To promote season tickets? Arrange the catering outsource? Hmm..

  • 118 geordie157 // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:36 PM

    So effectively we still 3, 4 maybe 5 more players! Or are we simply signing players that aren’t good enough.

    If Boro get Galloway, we should test Leeds resolve for Charlie Taylor he had a transfer request denied but I think he’s worth going for.

    I can’t see us getting Knockeart, he looks happy at Brighton and it’ll take at least 12mill to prise him away.

    Take Moses on Loan with a automatic trigger to buy if we are promoted.

    Add more pace and power up top by getting Assombalonga.

    Sort the no.10 issue out by getting Foresteri

    And get another proven championship midifielder in who is box to box, ie Lansbury.

    Move out Riviere, De Jong, Haidara and Shelvey!

    If Sissoko and Tiote leave that covers the wages for those 4 or 5 incomings and would almost cover the transfer fees too.

    Darlow
    Janmaat, Mbemba, Lascelles, Taylor
    Diame, Hayden
    Ritchie, Foresteri, Moses
    Assombalonga

    Subs
    Sels, Gamez, Clark, Anita, Lansbury, Aarons/Perez, Mitrovic

  • 119 Belfast // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:37 PM

    I’m not sure he has hibbit. It could be Derby? Still can’t see them selling him either way.

  • 120 bettyswallocks // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:37 PM

    BandB……. Charnley is recognised as a very good administrator and knows the inner workings and structure of the club from top to bottom.
    As long as he sticks to doing that without being involved in footballing decisions then maybe better the devil you know.

    Carr has made some very poor signings and I’m sure his authority has been reduced accordingly. To make suggestions and provide info. to Rafa on his years of scouting can’t hurt as long as Rafa has final say.

  • 121 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:42 PM

    Anyway, when all is said and done, conspiracies and intrigues remain in conjecture at least until we see this window out and check out what Benitez ends up with as his fixed battle complement for the pointy end of the Season. it’s a waiting game, but there’s not much time to wait in unfortunately. I did pose a “what if” of us being slightly adrift at xmas not long ago. I could feel the blog eyebrows raising at the time. With a couple more lacklustre displays I might mention it again. Just for a laugh 🙂

  • 122 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:43 PM

    Belfast

    Do you really see ANY value in those players at this time present. Fringe reserve warm up players. They could not polish boots of the likes of Cabaye and Ba.

    its sickening to think they should get rid, but term they truly should. Get somebody in who will perform. I cannot believe our selection process is so flawed.

    Fod god sakes, there is Germany, Italy, entire Eastern europe FULL of talent. Look at Pjaca at Juventus. Grujic to Liverpool. Bet you any of those youngsters would walk the park at SJP with this lot.

    Something is just not right.

  • 123 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:46 PM

    Who else is going to pay Shelvey 80K a week for doing little geordie157? We’re stuck with him for a couple of seasons. I would be laying the whip to him if I were Rafa. He can play well. We’ve seen it elsewhere. Put players in their best position and they will perform. We’ll get Krul back soon as well. And Mitro. It won’t be a disaster but it is going to be a difficult season. Test the young’uns in the cups Rafa. But the spine of this team has to be right to be at the top of the Championship. Keeper, CB’s, DM or DM’s, AM, and striker. We have to get those right.

  • 124 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:46 PM

    I suppose if you look at Leicester last season, there were a few well.. not being unkind but.. nondescript players helped to play out of their skin by some creativity and tidy linking play alongside them. Maybe we only need two or three key individuals to step up and lift some of the others to play better? Who knows? If we could nail the creative midfield thing I thing many other aspects of our overall play would lift right up with it.

  • 125 Rotonda heights // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:47 PM

    gorgon

    sadio mane was the striker we were crying out for in January. fast, mobile, tricky and gets in behind

  • 126 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:48 PM

    Is that Angela Lansbury in your subs list geordie157 mate? I think she’s getting on a bit. Still it wouldn’t hurt to have her in to heckle the players in the dressing room….

  • 127 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:53 PM

    Foggy – Foggy my boy
    If you read this….
    Hope you didn’t feed Matt Ritchie a second helping of Sunday Dinner!! – need him fit not fat for Wednesday Night

  • 128 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:54 PM

    Maybe all we need to do is rotate the captain. Do you think if we spin Lascelles around a bit it would help him focus?

  • 129 bettyswallocks // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:54 PM

    Our transfer situation is still in limbo thanks mainly to wor Moussa. Rafa has tried to draw out would be buyers by saying it won’t be any easier to sign him by leaving it to the last day of the window. We all must realise that it’s more then likely to happen on the last day however much Rafa would like the money in now.

    Whether we will sign the players we need before then remains a huge concern and if we don’t and end up floundering in this division then
    someone will have to be held accountable.

  • 130 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 6:59 PM

    I’d say Angela Lansbury definitely looks like someone moving into the box.

  • 131 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:00 PM

    I just wonder about that bettys mate. If we finished somewhere around 8th would Rafa hang about for another season to see if he can rebuild enough to win it on the second try and would Ashley let him? It would be a very different squad by then and how would the supporters take to another season in the Champs? I’m not going to say I think that’s what’s going to happen (yet). Ten games in mates. Then let’s see what we’ve got.

  • 132 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:02 PM

    Ouch Tsunki! That almost resembles a welshie stab at humour…. 😆

  • 133 Yo-yo // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:02 PM

    Tsunki

    I suspect that cockup rather than conspiracy has been the driving force at SJP especially with our current MD.
    How many newly assembled sides are instantly successful outside the mega spenders ?
    And we are in a mediocre league with slightly better than mediocre players.
    The lads are taking time to gel, and they have clearly not played to instructions either.
    I don’t buy any of the 4231 being shite, it is very flexible during a match, which we know Rafa likes, and he is still after upgrading the LB slot, amongst others.

    without money being thrown at

  • 134 Tsunki // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:03 PM

    I wonder if somebody has shot their bolt tagging moussa with a hefty price after his euro showponying. It would be another bad roulette throw if we end up stuck with his sulky mug and no more squad players.

  • 135 toon22 // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:06 PM

    Imho the players we have or might get arnt the problem,we simply dont play as a team.
    We struggle to sting 3 forward passes together,we have lost confidence as a team.
    It wont matter who we get till its addressed.

  • 136 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:08 PM

    Lets see what we look like with Mitro in the mix. And is Clark going to step into the lineup? We need size and power up front but somebody will have to be there to get the ball to Mitro. No hoofball please.

  • 137 geordie157 // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:13 PM

    Angela Lansbury would probably do a better job than Shelvey, he’s a good player but he goes missing far too often.

    There’s always one daft club that would take him……

  • 138 bettyswallocks // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:17 PM

    I’m sure Moussa will go somewhere. His lack of technique on the ball will stop him going to Arsenal, Madrid, or any other club with a manager that insists on good ball control. Juventus have the money if they fancy him, if not it’s Palace for you Moussa old son.

  • 139 Belfast // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:21 PM

    I think Juventus spent the Pogba money before they got it Higuian and a couple of others.

    I’ve said for weeks it’s Palace or West Bromwich for him. Bolasie seems pretty close to joining Everton and I’ll hedge my bets and say Pardew will try and replace him with the sulky one.

  • 140 Toon Tang // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:21 PM

    Seeing some of them class goals yesterday on Ch.5 from so called shitter, smaller, weaker teams than ourselves got me thinking “how bloody hard can it be to score a damn goal”

    Bloody crumby league 1 teams popping off rude-bwoi pass and move one-two’s ending in a little continental back healed flick overhead Cruyff turn and we can’t even score a damn pelanty.

    JEBUS ON HIGH

  • 141 NUFCPaul // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:22 PM

    BandB said that ‘watching Newcastle was murder’ she wrote.

  • 142 Belfast // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:22 PM

    And jail for Ashley will understand why I’m such good value when it happens. 🙂

  • 143 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:28 PM

    Angela in the dressing room: “well you lot are useless. Fancy Rafa having to put up with this tripe? I’ve a good mind to fong the lot of you. Get that Sissy or whatever his name is out of my sight. And you Gamez. What kind of Spanish footy man are you? Get back out there in the second half and do something!!!”

  • 144 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:29 PM

    Tangy mate, that was as bad as Tsunki’s effort! 😆

  • 145 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:30 PM

    Well said @140 Tangy mate! I think?

  • 146 Jib // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:32 PM

    http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/premier-league-outfit-ready-to-contest-newcastle-for-top-flight-starlet/

  • 147 Jib // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:33 PM

    http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/newcastle-united-leading-chase-for-championship-star/

  • 148 BandB // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:34 PM

    A Chinese gymnast went back to her coach after the vault and asked.
    “What points did I get for artistic merit?”
    “Only 3.7” says the coach.
    “What about my execution?” she says.
    “It’s next Tuesday.”

  • 149 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:36 PM

    You see? The Chinese definitely know how to deal with bad performances…..

  • 150 Jib // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:39 PM

    https://twitter.com/MsiDouglas/status/764875477576278016

  • 151 Jib // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:44 PM

    Oh Dear
    even when B and B attempts humour it’s really dark

  • 152 ShirebrookToon // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:44 PM

    Still no news on Galloway then, apart from Boro trying to hijack the deal

  • 153 Jail for Ashley // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:45 PM

    128Munster Mag // Aug 14, 2016 at 2:04 PM

    Blackley, thou shalt not question rafa even if thiu art stating the obvious. Villa, sunderland, fulham, norwich, Huddersfield… All useless negative performances. The guy we lost to palace is a serious loss.
    I hope to God that wasn’t a hidden message that you’re missing that bang average manager who got far too much abuse on here.

  • 154 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:52 PM

    Are we really going to do another major clear-out after already clearing out 9 players? I would want several in first but it may have to be sell first, buy later with the bills pouring in. Other than Sissoko though where will the money come from? Krul might be worth 5-6M. For me Janmaat might only bring in 3-4 with his poor defensive record. We’ll more or less have to give Rivi and Saivet away as they haven’t proven themselves with us. And what is De Jong worth? So possibly we end up with 10-12 M to spend.

  • 155 GeordieTwo // Aug 14, 2016 at 7:55 PM

    Have a great evening lads and lasses.

  • 156 Harley // Aug 14, 2016 at 8:09 PM

    Tsunki
    ??

  • 157 Harley // Aug 14, 2016 at 8:09 PM

    Tsunki

    That was supposed to be 2 laughing faces.




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