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Midfielder Very Close To Finally Leaving Newcastle

11:01 pm, Thursday, August 25th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 104 Comments

Cheick Tiote has been wanting to leave Newcastle for a few years now and it seems he is very close to leaving the club.

The Mail are reporting he is close to a move to Greek giants Olympiacos, but there is some late interest from Premier League club Burnley.

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Cheick Tiote after scoring fantastic goal against Arsenal

Cheick has been wanting out of Newcastle for some time and it would be good for the 52 times capped Ivory Coast International to revitalize his career away from Tyneside.

Hull City, who have yet to sign players this summer, are also reportedly keen on the powerful Newcastle United midfielder.

Cheick almost left for China in January, but he couldn’t agree personal terms with Super League club Shanghai Shenhua.

Olympiacos won the Greek Super League last season with a massive 85 points – losing only one and drawing one of the 30 games.

They were a massive 30 points better off than second placed Panathinaikos and will be in the Champions League again this season.

Cheick was signed six years ago for a low £3.5M from FC Twente and he has played 153 games for Newcastle with one notable goal.

That was the fantastic equalizer in the 89th minute that gave Newcastle a 4-4 draw with Arsenal in February, 2011.

That was after we were 4-0 down after 26 minutes in the game and scored four goals in the final 26 minutes in the greatest comeback ever seen in the Premier League.

The fee is said to be a low £2M.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.



Tags: Cheick Tiote · Financials · Newcastle News · Transfer News and Rumours




104 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Belfast // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:05 PM

    Good luck to him. Clearly been desperate to leave for a long time.

  • 2 gorgonzola ( former Pecorino former to gorgonzola) // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:11 PM

    def need a CM tank replacement I am afraid….you cannot have a midfield without this type of player I am afraid.

    Where are these big signings nothing on radar I am seeing..

  • 3 expatmag // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:15 PM

    I find it concerning that this squad is being unnecessarily decimated to the point where we are currently struggling to put a decent squad out on the park……and we are only 4 games jnto the season.

    So far, we have sold 5, loaned out 5 released 4 and written of 3 who noone seems to want.

    So far, we have brought in 9 of which Sels Hanley Clark have failed to impress and Gamez is untried.

    Furthermore, we go into a home game against one of our major rivals without any tried and trusted forwards, probably having to rrly on 2 unwanted frenchmen and an 18 year old kid.

    And people think Ashley has handed control over to Rafa!!!!!

    He has already made a profit in the market of 7 million. Add fees for Sissoko and Tiote and the fat man is STILL laughing all the way to the bank

  • 4 jimmysmith // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:19 PM

    The optimism has been tempered by the reality of losing our better players and bringing in lesser ones, at least at first glance. But really it should be tempered further. The odds on going up are good, but they odds on going up and then staying up surely no better than evens considering the money all the epl clubs will be getting, our direct opposition, and we won’t. Much depends on how well Rafa fares in the transfer market, and quite possibly whether Ashley is prepared to loan the club a bit more of his money.

  • 5 nufc786 // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:29 PM

    What would people think of either Mehdi Abeid or Olivier Kemen returning to the club as Tiotes replacement?

  • 6 jimmysmith // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:30 PM

    He’s got too many underperforming players and too high a wage bill, and 4 key consecutive windows to manage, and this is how he’s going about managing it. I don’t see Ashley’s black hand at play. Just the realities of relegation under Rafa.

  • 7 Our Toon // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:32 PM

    The rules in the championship dictate a club can’t make a loss of a certain amount, I have to say though, tiote could definitely add something to this squad and more importantly in the DM role. The squad is now unnecessarily being dismantled, krul is still the best keeper we have, unless we are bringing in 5 more players it makes no sense loaning out good players that would contribute something good this season if they stayed

  • 8 mindshaft // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:32 PM

    Think people are exaggerating the lure of the toon – we’re in the championship and are mid table .., most players people on here are banging on about wouldn’t probably come ..
    I as do most pundits believe Rafa had control of football matters including ins and outs ( albeit within a budget )
    we are not the draw some people think we are, even knockeart knocked us back –

  • 9 jimmysmith // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:34 PM

    The hope is that the money made and saved will be reinvested in the right players at the right time.

  • 10 Our Toon // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:34 PM

    Jimmy

    The fees earned so far along with those already shipped out would more than cover the wages and drop in revenue as a result of relegation…..it’s all starting to look like a gamble now

  • 11 Our Toon // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:35 PM

    Mindshaft

    Knockaert knocked us back? When mate, must have missed that one

  • 12 stop moaning // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:38 PM

    These players all got us relegated…good riddance

  • 13 jimmysmith // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:38 PM

    They’d cover them now, but we have a lot of work to do over the next two and three seasons and there will have to be the money for that too, and as has been pointed out we are struggling to attract the quality we are going to need. It seems prudent not to spend all of it in this window.

  • 14 Sazzer // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:48 PM

    Obertan video from new club:
    https://twitter.com/fc_anji/status/768518749121052672

  • 15 one fine day // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:55 PM

    nufc786 // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:29 PM
    Abeid not sure but Keman could do a job for us .
    Still baffles me why we simply let him go as he looked decent .(But then a lot of decisions at that time left me feeling the same way)
    Still young and could thrive under a good coach .

  • 16 expatmag // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:57 PM

    Stop Moaning

    McLarens inane tactics got us relegated mate. That plus 80 millon quid wasted in the transfer narket.

  • 17 Sazzer // Aug 25, 2016 at 11:59 PM

    Atsu is a worrying sign that things are getting desperate behind the scenes.

  • 18 Fostino // Aug 26, 2016 at 12:02 AM

    Out Best team when fit right now

    Sels

    Anita mbemba lascalles jesus

    Rithchie sissoko hayden perez
    Diame
    gayle

    Mitro…shelvey..aarons ..colback..darlow..Dummett…Hanley

    Diame solves the attacker problem. Perez the lm problem ..jesus the lb problem and sissoko man the $uck up

  • 19 Fostino // Aug 26, 2016 at 12:05 AM

    In reality sissoko wont hang around. We need to go.in high for Brady of Norwich or the left winger from Brighton or maybe Chadli from spurs.

  • 20 brklyngeordie // Aug 26, 2016 at 12:10 AM

    Expat

    Sels,Clark,Hanley and Gamez can’t not be written off as bad signings we are 4 games into season and they are all new to the club and Benitez will learn their strengths and they all need time to gel with teammates, it’s unfair to label them yet

    Sazzer

    Atsu is not a bad shout the lad obviously caught the eye of the Chelsea hierarchy years back but has not been able to break through I think at this level would be a good signing and allow him to gain some confidence back, we need some speed and he has that

  • 21 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 26, 2016 at 12:16 AM

    If we are going to Chelsea for a player on loan, I’d much prefer to get Loftus-Cheek. A cut above our central midfielders, and can play pretty much any role through the centre of midfield.

  • 22 Sazzer // Aug 26, 2016 at 12:17 AM

    nufc786
    If Kemen have a killer year in France then I would bring him back for next season but until he’s proven he’s good enough on senior level then I think it’s to much of gamble at the moment. Same goes for Abeid but in Greece.

  • 23 Sazzer // Aug 26, 2016 at 12:50 AM

    Lilo
    Certainly should be in for Loftus-Cheek if he’s available on loan. I don’t think he is. In the beginning of window I was talking about possiblity of getting Michael Hector and Nathaniel Chalobah on loan from Chelsea. Hector went on loan to Germany and I still think Chalobah would be allowed to go. After all he’s behind Matic, Kante, Oscar, Fabregas, Mikel, Luftus-Cheek at that DM spot. Kenedy is another good player that might be possiblity.

    Solanke, Atsu and Aina are for me the type of signings teams around play-off positions take on because they can’t afford the more proven players or bottom-half Premier League teams take on because they have injury one of the two player that can play in their position.

  • 24 expatmag // Aug 26, 2016 at 12:51 AM

    BRK

    I am not writing them off mate. I am saying that I feel we could have had better quality than them coming in.

    To be honest, the strength or lack of in the current squad, even if there were no more comings or goings, doesnt fill me with a great deal of confidence in achieving promotion in comoarison to other clubs.

  • 25 The overrated Frenchman // Aug 26, 2016 at 1:00 AM

    expat – we are definitely on the same page, agree with all your comments above. The clean air down here obviously allows us to think more clearly than most.

  • 26 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 26, 2016 at 1:02 AM

    Sazzer,
    Conte seems to think that he can convert Loftus Cheek into a striker from some of the articles I’ve read. He won’t get any benefit by being back up there, they have a lot of depth in the centre of midfield.

    Not keen on Atsu,. Is Solanke still in a contract dispute there? He would be better off leaving I think, but not sure he is what we need at this precise moment. He would still be a good signing for most Championship sides (including us) longer term.

  • 27 Sazzer // Aug 26, 2016 at 1:06 AM

    brklyngeordie
    Atsu would be another late loan signing like De Jong, Doumbia, Facundo unless we sign Knockaert/Judge as well as Atsu.

  • 28 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 26, 2016 at 1:10 AM

    Expat/ToF,
    There is clearly still work to do on the squad. Everyone on here knows that, all the media about the club suggest they know that, and Rafa’s interviews agree as well.

    I do think you are overestimating the quality of players at some of our rivals mind. I’d struggle to pick more than 1 or 2 players from each of the supposed main challengers that would be first choice here.

  • 29 Lilongwe Geordie // Aug 26, 2016 at 1:12 AM

    Whether we will get the players we need in before the deadline is a different question altogether, but the intention to fix some of the gaps at least, would appear to be there.

    If the window had shut this evening, it would look underwhelming. It doesn’t though, so let’s see what we get in the next 5 days!

  • 30 Sazzer // Aug 26, 2016 at 1:22 AM

    Lilo
    Luftus-Cheek certainly would be ideal for us. One can always hope Chelsea gets desperate on deadline day and offer us Chalobah+Luftus Cheek+£10m for Moussa Sissoko.

  • 31 Sazzer // Aug 26, 2016 at 1:48 AM

    Lilongwe Geordie
    It’s definitely going to be interesting to see what happens in the coming days but getting linked Alesssandrini and Atsu today rather than improve bids on Knockaert is worrying.

  • 32 The overrated Frenchman // Aug 26, 2016 at 1:55 AM

    Lilo – I think you’d have to agree that we have a poor record when it comes to eleventh hour transfer business, and it’s getting close to that now. Based on his record, I put a decent chunk of the blame for this on Charnley, and given he’s still in place, it sets alarm bells ringing with me. I think you were as staggered as I was to read about the comedy of errors with Kone in January, just as an example. I can’t help wondering just how much this has been Rafa’s transfer window, and how much Charnley and Carr’s, despite the rhetoric of Benitez being in total control. My gut feeling is that he has had more influence in outgoings than incomings, and has probably taken advice from Charnley and Carr about the type of player we’ll “need for the Championship”. As many on here would know, I actively question Carr’s motives and honesty, and Charnley’s integrity, so I do have misgivings. And on the Championship itself, I have watched all the games we have been getting on BEIN sports down here, and we are no better than just “one the contenders” for promotion from what I’ve seen. Most teams are tidy and put in a shift – even the lower table sides will pick up points from us here and there. Some that were not factored in such as Fulham are clearly serious threats, apart from the more obvious challengers. As of this minute, I am quite pessimistic about this season.

  • 33 expatmag // Aug 26, 2016 at 2:46 AM

    Lilo

    Huddersfield have already given us a football lesson. In Australia, we all know about Aaron Mooy who is pn loan to them from Man City. He is the type of player we need. Skillful hard working and creative.

    There will be surprises. There always are in this league. Norwich look strong. They have not lost many players from last season and tbey gave recruited well.

    Villa will be up there too. Having Ayew McCormack and Gestede up front shows them to be an attacking threat.

    The game on saturday will tell us just how strong Brighon are.

    I expect he likes of Derby Leeds Shef Wed. to be in yhe mix too. Wolves will be a najor yhreat. They look strong.

    And do t forget. Everyone will want to beat us.

    Most people on here think we will walk thjs league but they are wrong. It will be tough and judging by our current sqhad, I feel we have neither the depth of attacking quslity and creativity to make a major impact.

    When the injuries hit, which they invariably will, the strength of our squad will be severely tested if we fail to recruit at least 5 key players in dpecialist areas. That us assuming that Sissoko Tiote snd Riviere are sold.

  • 34 Magpie Season // Aug 26, 2016 at 3:08 AM

    Tough game tomorrow. Brighton are a good side & undefeated in their last 6. Long time since we faced Hughton.

    To be honest I would be happy with the draw even though we are at home, as it is still early days.

  • 35 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2016 at 5:31 AM

    expat, ToF,
    Mclaren was useless and is an even worse pundit with those stupid over exaggerated sentences he pronounces. He most definitely did get us relegated but it was more to do with the system in place that employed such a second rate loser in the first place. How Pardew managed to keep us up I simply don’t know. A better manager would have most definitely kept us up last year but that is my point, a better manager simply would have not worked under those conditions hence the pursuit of sacked league one and Championship managers.

  • 36 mindcompressor // Aug 26, 2016 at 5:44 AM

    At the beginning, Rafa stays because we suppose to keep core of the squad. Actually we lost most of players and more is about to leave. Gayle and Ritchie, maybe Diame are really impressive players IMHO. Rest of new signings are just players. Battle on promotion will much more difficult than I was thinking. Hopefull we can make it.

  • 37 The overrated Frenchman // Aug 26, 2016 at 5:44 AM

    Jail@ – happy to agree that McClaren was useless; employed by a dud in Charnley, who is employed in turn by an avaricious, uncouth pig in Ashley. Just not sure how that relates to the points expat and I were trying to expand on, though?

  • 38 jimmysmith // Aug 26, 2016 at 5:44 AM

    The Carver period did immense damage, and the essentially inactive 18 months in the transfer market that preceded it did even more. Throw in McClaren, and you have relegation.

  • 39 Lindisfarne // Aug 26, 2016 at 5:52 AM

    I can not think of one player sold by Charnley that was for an excessive, or a good deal of money. There are also a larger proportion of misses for players bought in. Plus there is the conflicting aspects of him being reported to be very professional in handling purchases whilst other players are lost out on due to intransience. It would seem that Charnley is good at buying bad players, although that is an over simplification.

  • 40 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2016 at 5:54 AM

    ToF,
    To do with expat at 16 and yours at 25

  • 41 Lindisfarne // Aug 26, 2016 at 5:54 AM

    I am glad to have missed out on Wally McBrolly the TV Pundit.

  • 42 Lindisfarne // Aug 26, 2016 at 5:56 AM

    “You gotta spend £25M to stand still” – Shearer

  • 43 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2016 at 6:00 AM

    Jimmy,
    After the policy to aim for tenth became official relegation was just a matter of when rather than if.

  • 44 expatmag // Aug 26, 2016 at 6:01 AM

    JFA

    You may be right. I agree with most of what you say. The question now remains……How long will Benitez stick around bexause so far this close season, nothing seems to have changed in Ashleys thinking.

    By my cslculations, 14 playrs have either been released loaned or sold withthe liklihood of 2 more going.

    Nine players have come in.

    According to Eds figures, Rafa is 7 million pounds in credit with hat likely to rise significantly when Sisoko and Riote ae sold.

    The standard of players arriving for the most part are championship or lower premiership standard.

    There MUST have ben a sjgnificant savings on salaries although I would love to know what percentage of salaries w are paying for the loans of Dejong Thauvin Krul Saviet and Mbabu.

    Our squad is as unbalanced as ever. We are sevrly lacking in the areas of attackers both forwards and wingrs as well as left back and creative central midfielders.

    And we have 6 dsys to rectify these problems…….

  • 45 Lindisfarne // Aug 26, 2016 at 6:04 AM

    “Keep the squad together and add to it” by Rafa, was a rallying call and never a likely outcome. But other than the wage column the numbers don’t add up and it is up to The Gaffa to start making it work. The losses to date have already put a serious dent into our appeal as a serious Championship winner and players like to win medals.

  • 46 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2016 at 6:05 AM

    It’s interesting when your looking back at some of the old posts when some people thought it was ludicrous to suggest that Ashley only wanted us mid table as being further up the table was better for SD. The grief I got for suggesting all he wanted was PL survival!

  • 47 Lindisfarne // Aug 26, 2016 at 6:14 AM

    In conclusion, the £80m spent last season was on the back of previous outgoings. The model of identifying potential became spotting a cheap bargin. All that has gone before should be swept away by Rafa being in charge, but the stench still lingers and is having an unpleasant effect on the transition. In Rafa we trust, despite knowing one man can not solve the faults of numerous others.

  • 48 SUTTY1978 // Aug 26, 2016 at 6:25 AM

    Benitez doesn’t have total control of transfers, only the final say, there is a huge difference between the two.

  • 49 expatmag // Aug 26, 2016 at 6:36 AM

    Lindisfarne

    I expect Rafa will be gone by Christmas, if not sooner.

    Whatever happened to those words “we dont need to sell players”.

    Questions should be asked then……why sell the likes of Wijnaldum Sissoko Tiote etc.

    Questons shoukd be asked why did we waste nigh on 5 million pounds on Sels when we could have kept Krul? Hasnr he just signed a new contract? If he is fit enough to play for Ajax, why not us?

    Questions should be asked, when we need a winger so badly, why loan out Thauvin to Marseille?

    Question should be asked, when we obviously lack goals and creativity, why loan out Dejong to PSV?

    I know the answers will be the players didnt want to play in the championship but FCUK THEM, Dejong Wijnaldum Sissoko Thauvin Kriul Tiote etc all have good long contracts. They are partly responsible for puting us there. THEY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABKE FIR GETTING US OUT OF THERE.

    Rant ovet……lol

  • 50 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2016 at 6:54 AM

    expat,
    Benitez gone by Christmas?

  • 51 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2016 at 6:58 AM

    This is getting worrying but its a bit ridiculous if we start a love-in for rafa every time we sign a decent player but blame ashley when we dont. It was rafa’s choice to buy players like sels and clarke. Im not going to blame rafa for selling guys who want to move like wiji but losing guys like arma tiote krul looks a bit needless but i still think these decisions are not being forced on rafa. We could do with a comment from him as he is very honest. My main concern still rests with his love of signing players like clarke rather than strikers and wingers. He is a defensive manager first and foremost and this could be our undoing as time goes on. I trust rafa and love his honesty but worry a little about this defensive approach. Hopefully i will be proved wrong if we accumulate loads of points through our defence. Winning is what this league is all about though and i’m not sure that the top 8 in the division will be as poor as bristol were.

  • 52 expatmag // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:00 AM

    JFA

    If he doesnt get the full support of Ashley and Co., then yes, he wont put up with it.

  • 53 expatmag // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:03 AM

    MUNSTER

    Wgat I cannot undrstand more than anything else is why we are continuing to loan playrs out especially in crucial positions when our squad for a 46 game season appears yo be threadbare

  • 54 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:03 AM

    Jail i assume in your world i still cant question anything rafa does without becoming a rafa hater or something. Just pre-empting one of your silly “boom” comments

  • 55 The overrated Frenchman // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:12 AM

    expat – the message from Rafa that we don’t need to sell players was most likely a shot across the bows for prospective buyers and our recalcitrant players and their agents who were agitating for moves. Personally, I am not so disappointed with the outgoings as such, but as jimmysmith keeps saying, like it or not, the quality of the squad is going south. Accepted, we are in the Championship which has a major impact on the sort of player we can attract, and also accepted is that we probably need players who are suited to this league. But apart from Ritchie, and possibly Gayle and Hayden, we have replaced high level, (if flawed) players with some really basic types and retained some rubbish in my opinion.

  • 56 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:13 AM

    expat,
    Totally agree with that, I thought you meant he’d be sacked 😮

  • 57 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:14 AM

    Expat i cant see what ajax can give a fit krul that we cant. Tbh my guess is that rafa doesnt rate krul and sels was deffo purchased as a guy to dominate in the air but he doesnt look like a good buy. But i guess if he is a poor buy, we blame the regime, not rafa. The manager has said the squad is too big so its being trimmed i guess. the dutch full back going to watford doesnt say much for us though. I didnt rate hin but i presume rafa didnt want him to stay. If he did and the guy left for watford its a bit concerning.

  • 58 expatmag // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:16 AM

    TOF

    Agrreed mate. I think as it stands, we are a genuine top 6 team……….in the championship.

    But we need another 5 high standard players to be considered a prmotion winning squad assuming Sissoko and Tiote will eventually go.

  • 59 expatmag // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:18 AM

    MUNSTER

    Well mate, after their result against Rostov on wednesday night, it certai ly usnt champions league football.

  • 60 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:19 AM

    Munster,
    Lots of people have questioned tactics, nothing wrong with that but you have slated him in almost every single post you have made since he signed up. (Rafa said he was quick) (another great Rafa buy) (Rafa hasn’t exactly got a great transfer record), what your reasons are is unknown, maybe something to do with that bang average manager who got far too much abuse on here.

  • 61 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:21 AM

    Munster,
    People can’t have it both ways either, they can’t blame the regime for signings while saying Rafa has full control, I personally think Rafa has sanctioned every signing we have made, still not sure about the five year deals. He gave a good reason why though.

  • 62 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:22 AM

    Jail if rafa goes i will be disgusted. But the dynamic at the club seems odd and only signings will help. That said i dont think rafa can complain much about spending 50 mill and having some of the quality player he has. If he wastes money on defensive acquisitions like clark and sels and leaves us short of a good left winger/striker/creative midf then thats not charnleys fault. If we dont add flair soon, and use it, then i think brighton and norwich become more likely.

  • 63 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:22 AM

    Munster,
    I take it my drum banging posts don’t amuse you then 😀

  • 64 Ron Knee // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:23 AM

    Wasn’t Rafa hinting at two seasons to gain promotion?

  • 65 Jail for Ashley // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:25 AM

    Ron Knee,
    I hope not 🙁

  • 66 firebug666 // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:26 AM

    Probably Rafa has a game plan, he is selling off the losing mentality and replacing it with grafters to grind out results in the championship for us.

    Last season we were all saying this player should be sold or that player etc etc. Well now that is happening, we may not rate all the players coming in, and maybe question the motives behind those signings, but I suspect Rafa has a plan.

    His reputation as much as the players and club is on the line, the goal this season is promotion, and Rafa is going to want to reach that goal, he knows we are in a tough physical league and so knows the type of players we need, as fans all we can really do is trust our manager, get behind the team, and roar them on to victory.

    More players will come in before the window shuts, only then will Rafa be able to gel the team together, it early day yet and not the time to panic.

  • 67 Slank // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:27 AM

    Like Expat @ 3 I too am becoming concerned about the decimation of the squad.

    I just hope we don’t end up at the end of the season failing to secure promotion due to injuries and suspensions to a thread bare squad being reliant on youngsters from the reserves filling the gaps left by the more experienced players.

    I can understand Tiote wanting to leave but not Gouffran and Rivière especially as Rafa hasn’t even tried Rivière in a competitive match.

    I’m hoping that Rafa isn’t reverting to managerial type by getting rid of the players is predecessor bought and replacing them with his own favourites even though some may be well below the standard required.

    Losing Arrons, Mitrovich and Gayle, albeit the last two for hopefully only one game, is a wake up call to how a small squad can be severely compromised in a short period of time.

    Hope I’m wrong.

  • 68 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:34 AM

    Jail i think rafa has control, thats why i aint blaming the regime. You know i like rafa and have said so often, but the fawning that went on once he arrived, and continuesd all summer was OTT. I pointed out questions i had once the Leicester game was over in terms of tactics and overall approach. Few people agreed even though we were awfully defensive v makems etc and the 6 pointers killed us. I still believe rafa will come good and would hate to lose him but the issues i highlighted are fair but shouted down by guys like you. Since when did it become a blog crime to question rafa? Because a lot of others started asking similar things once the EFL started. I can want rafa to do well but surely still have a go if i feel he does things wrong, without being branded a Rafa hater surely. And yes, rafa did say hanley was quick!

  • 69 geordie157 // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:34 AM

    Not panicking just yet, Rafa is moving on the big earners at the club and players who simply weren’t good enough.

    Just hope we’ve got another 3-5 players coming in.

  • 70 Ron Knee // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:34 AM

    Jail

    I can’t find the article. I think it was last week. I may have misread it, of course!

  • 71 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:37 AM

    No jail i wasnt loving the drum banging although i cant blame u.at times i can be a bit opinionated!

  • 72 cyprus // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:42 AM

    I think Tiote could’ve done a job in this team and league. Didn’ t know he wanted out for ages. So, do we hate him too?

    Anyway, Rafa, kind reminder: We ain’t ready to storm this league as you have already seen. Two players in b +w, one CF, one winger.

  • 73 Spoof // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:42 AM

    Shame if Tiote does go as we have been a better team when he has been in it over the last few years, but if he wants to go then good luck to him, but he will be a miss.

    On previous thread about Arma signing a new contract, it looks very likely that I got that one totally wrong, with Mitro being suspended and Armstrong still getting knocked back to the under 23 team I took that as Rafa just not rating the lad, if that was the case then I doubt that he would have got this new contract, so perhaps he could have a future with us which is something which I have always doubted, ordinarily people don’t like being wrong, but sometimes it makes you feel better, this is one of those times for me.

  • 74 Spoof // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:45 AM

    cyprus

    b +w, you’ve lost me with that one.

  • 75 Munster Mag // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:46 AM

    I am very surprised rafa is leaving tiote go. He commented last season about having so much energy etc. I thought he wud do well and his power wud be needed. Presume he may be a bad smell around the place and been there too long. As for krul i presume rafa doesnt rate him. I hope arma stays and gets game time because if we go up, and he has been on loan at eg bristol city, why would rafa think he is good enough for the Premiership if he doesn’t rate him for the EFL now.

  • 76 cyprus // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:46 AM

    Black and white colours

  • 77 Blofal // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:46 AM

    I too am worried about the squad but I don’t share such a doom and gloom view as expat.

    In my view Benitez has gone through the squad and got rid of every player (except Aarons) who is either injury prone or not up for the fight.

    INJURY PRONE:

    Marveaux
    Obertan
    De Jong – Replaced with Diame
    Krul – Replaced with Selz
    Saylor – Replaced with Hanley

    NOT UP FOR THE FIGHT:

    Wijnaldum –
    Thauvin – Replaced with Ritchie
    Sissoko
    Coloccini – Replaced with Clarke
    Janmaat – Replaced with Yedlin and Gamez
    Cabella

    NOT GOOD ENOUGH OR TOO OLD

    Saivet – Replaced with Hayden
    Ameobi
    Doumbia
    Cisse – Replaced with Gayle

    And in addition to that we couldn’t do anything about Townsend.

    It’s not easy to replace so many players and I still don’t put it past Charnley to be haggling over pennies and missing our targets.

    But looking at that list (and I’m sure I’ve missed a few) I don’t really disagree with any of those decisions.

    But from that list you can clearly see we are lacking attacking mids and wingers.

  • 78 Spoof // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:53 AM

    cypus

    of course, it’s just me and tiredness, nightshift last night after only two hours kip from the previous shift, I’m not quite with it, in fact I’m totally wrecked and to tired to sleep if that makes any sense !!!!

  • 79 Blofal // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:54 AM

    I think Tiote is looking for one last massive pay day before he retires. That’s why all his deals have fallen through so far.

    I can’t blame him really. He has served us well and is at that age where he go play somewhere on a ridiculously lucrative contract for 2 more years and then retire.

  • 80 Jib // Aug 26, 2016 at 7:55 AM

    It looks like Jonas could be joining his mate Colo at San Lorenzo
    https://www.pasionfutbol.com/noticias/Jonas-Gutierrez-fue-ofrecido-a-San-Lorenzo-de-Almagro-20160826-0003.html

  • 81 Jib // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:01 AM

    with Overmars – good luck Tim

  • 82 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:01 AM

    Comings and goings
    Could it be by the end of the January window the TOON be fielding ‘RAFA’s’ team a complete team of his signings

  • 83 The overrated Frenchman // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:02 AM

    Blofal, the contention I have is that too many of the “replaced with” on that list are not improvements. I think a lot of us are in agreement that the squad needed renewal, and some bad eggs needed to be chucked, but the quality of player coming in seems to be, overall, not what we had expected, or hoped for, even allowing for where we now find ourselves. The Rafalution looks like Rafa-reaffirmation of the status quo in that sense to me. Poor, poor transfer dealings.

  • 84 Blofal // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:07 AM

    I think that all the “replaced with” are at least of the same standard.

    But we also have to realise we are a basket case club relegated to the Championship who if it wasn’t for Rafa couldn’t even attract the likes of Gamez, Diame, Ritchie, Gayle and Yedlin to our club. Name me just one of those players who would have come if it wasn’t for Benitez?

    The reality is this is the best we can get. And we can only get them because of Rafa’s influence.

    Gini would not have turned up in the championship (he hasn’t for Liverpool yet) and I fully expect Sissoko to sulk for a while if he ends up staying. The only player I’m devastated to lose really is Townsend.

  • 85 Jib // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:11 AM

    One thing to bear in mind with regard to Tim Krul is since he was 17 he has only worked with NUFC goalkeeping coaches – at Ajax he’ll be working with Carlo l’Ami who coached Jasper Cillessen so well that Barcelona have bought him.

  • 86 Spoof // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:13 AM

    Blofal

    What I think some people are guilty of, and I have to admit that I was one of them as only a few weeks ago I was bemoaning the quality leaving the club compared to my perceived lack of quality coming in, but I think that I was living in the past.

    In the past we have been used to high profile signing’s who we expected to be top notch as there profile made us believe that they would be, players such as Janmaat, DeJong, Thauvin and Cabella, Jail put a thread up yesterday from when we signed MYM, you would have thought we had signed Messi judging the reaction from the majority.

    For a while we have expected a marquee signing and at times we thought we had achieved it, but we hadn’t and all we had done was waste money and time, but now we are in a totally different situation, Rafa isn’t trying to con us into believing that we have signed superstars as all he seems to be doing is too sign players who can and will do a job for us, but due to a lack of wow power it has left us feeling a bit underwhelmed, but at the end of the day we are probably better off now than what we have been for quite a long time.

  • 87 Budge123 // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:14 AM

    I seem to be in a minority thinking we have had a good transfer window so far.
    Better competition for places.
    Better attitude (my opinion)
    Lower wage bill (can’t ignore this as being a requirement )

    I would rather have the team we have this August to the one starting last August.

    Yes we need a left winger and back up up front but the window isn’t shut yet so I’m hoping for the best!

    We are in a better position squad wise than I expected at this point so I’m happy from that point of view.

    I’m not sure what people expected this year – keeping everyone and buying proven premiership players to add to squad? Dreamland.

  • 88 Ian Toon // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:20 AM

    Can I agree with LILO @ 28- We are not faced with the window closing just yet. Harking back to when Benitez was appointed what’s changed. Well for me and I suspect the vast majority we probably didn’t expect so many outgoings but maybe we had forgotten how a professional football club is run.

    The excitement of we’ve got Benitez was largely due to his reputation, status renowned qualities but also because we believed he wouldn’t have taken the job without securing a change to the transfer policy that had been the main cause of the club’s problems, along with a guarantee of a continuation of the spending. With the aim of returning to the PL.
    You could argue he’s taken on a hell of a lot this window but much of it should have occurred seasons ago on the clearing of the decks front. We’re now at the stage of let’s see what he’s still got to reveal by way of incomings with creativity. Little has been fed through the media until effectively after the event. Stop reading The Rag and just calm down.
    As Hail said were not playing a CL side tomorrow.

  • 89 hibbitt // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:21 AM

    i think a lot on here are overrating some of the player that have left in my mind the 2 main replacements are for Sissoko and Tiote and they haven’t left yet
    think we should at lest wait till the window closes to see what the squad looks like 3/4 quality additions would make this a very strong squad
    still 6 days to go so a lot can change ih that time

  • 90 Jib // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:22 AM

    TOF
    “not what we had expected, or hoped for”

    “we” ?!!!

    You don’t speak for everyone mush.

    If you stopped and thought about for a second you’d realise that Rafa has signed up for a minimum of 6 windows.

    He’s pledged a root and branch sorting out of the club .
    One cannot sort out the branches until you’ve dug up the roots.
    Get rid of the dross then rebuild.

  • 91 Slank // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:25 AM

    Spoof @ 86

    Good comments especially true in the light of what Leicester achieved.

    A few marquee signings don’t make a winning team if the manager and the backroom staff are second rate.

    It’s arguable that a poor manager will make a marquee player worse whereas a marquee manager will make a good player much better.

    Let’s hope so !

  • 92 Charlie in the Gallowgate // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:27 AM

    Just read the Interesting discussion on the goings on with West Ham and the Millennium stadium.
    If persons on hear are still interested interesting article on-line on the Tories and West Ham the deals backhanders in the daily Telegraph of all papers
    search …West Ham and the Olympic Stadium

  • 93 Slank // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:30 AM

    Budge123

    The transfer window has been excellent given the situation we found ourselves in and without Rafa I very much doubt some players, perhaps all, would have come.

  • 94 magscar // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:33 AM

    While Rafa was correct in saying we don’t have to sell any player he did add that bids would be considered if in the interests of club. He is too wily a manager not to know that many of the players would want out and he would have to deal with this situation.

    His strategy is to get this unwanted reality to work for the Club as best he can.

    Townsend had a clause and it was met but for him to choose Palace – well how desperate was he to be just be in PL!

    Janmatt’s departure may look to be on the cheap but where were the higher bids? Watford! Sorry a decent club but again how desperate was Janmatt to swap a potential few months under Rafa to play sooner at any PL club?

    These 2 examples demonstrate the difficulties Rafa faces in trying to restore the club on the footballing side to fit for purpose. Keeping too many or any unhappy players in a squad of 25 in a pivotal season may display macho qualities but would do little to help achieve promotion.

    I have said that this is the art of the possible and I am sure that efforts are being made to correct the deficiencies in the squad that we can all see.

    As Lilo pointed out the window is not yet shut and no matter how we stamp our feet in impatience and concern it takes 2 clubs to make a deal. Our prospective vendor clubs are all playing hard ball especially those in same division for obvious reasons.

    Posters say that they don’t underestimate the size of the task but their comments suggest that they are doing just that. How many of those shipped out actually played any real part in games, many wanted them out anyway. Those we might like to have kept wanted out and we have tried to get best out of situation.

    We all want top players but we unfortunately have yet again to show enormous patience. Hopefully it is just this season but it is a big ask to turn this giant tanker of a club around quickly.

  • 95 BandB // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:36 AM

    So Aarons has the dreaded fractured metatarsal and is out for eight weeks!

  • 96 Ian Toon // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:37 AM

    Footballers can stay too long at one club. That’s one of the reasons that the decay had to be stripped out and should have been seasons ago.
    If I can use the example of someone who has not been promoted in a job who lacks motivation and who’s level of performance continues to falter. Seeing a job advert and applying and securing the position can energise the individual. A new chance, we’re all in this together. Wasn’t that KK’s message all those years ago. The problem is our fan base is not used to winning anything. But let’s not forget our league home attendance at SJP was second only to Man City.

    In football it’s a new beginning as well and a chance to progress and grow as a player under a well respected Manager.. Maybe that’s what
    enticed the likes of Ritchie and Isaac Hayden. They can grow with the club and so can we. This is just the beginning.

  • 97 hibbitt // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:38 AM

    magscar

    very good post says everything i tried to say and couldn’t

    well said 100% agree

  • 98 BandB // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:42 AM

    The puzzling thing is, though, that Rafa made a specific point of saying we would try to hang on to our best players.
    Now, either he has to be slightly disappointed about that, or he thinks Vuckic, Bigirimana and Sammy count as being some our best players.

  • 99 BandB // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:45 AM

    The mood has swiftly changed from “we are going to walk this league” to “this could take years” hasn’t it?
    We’ll be spouting the same blather about needing to make “prudent” signings commensurate to our status when we are in League Two.

  • 100 hibbitt // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:46 AM

    BandB

    just out of interest who do you think our better players that have left are because i’m not sure other than Townsend who i would have liked to keep

  • 101 Ian Toon // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:47 AM

    Jib- I was getting bored with root and branch- thanks.

    TOF – Being blunt because I am short on time. I thought you and expat both got carried away earlier. It reminded me of the blog in times past after the window had closed. It’s far too early to suggest being underwhelmed by signings. Seles is “finding his feet” – de gear was written off at ManU – players need time. Employees need time relocating.

  • 102 BandB // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:49 AM

    I’m sorry Hibbitt, but that question is so downtrodden with denial that I’m not even going to try to answer it.

  • 103 Budge123 // Aug 26, 2016 at 8:51 AM

    BandB my mood hasn’t changed at all. This league was going to be hard work and it still is.
    I think we are better equipped for it now than we were in May.

    Why would anyone take anything a manager says at face value? So many things need be managed in what they say. To take things said as 100% fact or truth is being naive in the extreme

  • 104 Jib // Aug 26, 2016 at 9:01 AM

    Remember this wonder kid Yasin Ben El-Mhanni (the one who taught Neymar some tricks) is a left winger




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