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Rafa Rejects All Excuses For The Loss Of 2 Points

1:13 pm, Sunday, September 25th, 2016 by Dr. Ed Harrison · 82 Comments

It looked like the corner from which Aaron Tshibola scored Aston Villa’s 89th minute equalizer yesterday should have been a goal kick, after the header from Jonjo Shelvey seemed to hit a Villa defender on the way out of play.

But Newcastle can look at all the chances we missed before that time and the game should have been wrapped up by then.

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Aaron Tshibola after scoring Villa equalizer

So it really was our own fault we didn’t win the game rather easily and pointing to things like it should have been a goal kick may be good for the TV guys but it means nothing – absolutely nothing – the game’s over – we got one point.

And Rafa is not one to look for excuses and when he was told about the controversy surrounding the corner this is what he said:

“I haven’t seen the replay.”

“The main thing was what we could have done in the first half or even the chances we had in the second half.”

“And after it depends on the referee. You can look at the replays but it won’t change anything.”

“It wasn’t just one chance because there were a few.” “Diame , Dwight in the second and so many clear chances that could have changed the game.”

“But after it, we had to defend a little bit better.” “We needed to make sure we didn’t give them so many half chances.”

“In the end it was a problem for us as we had to defend throw-ins and corners.” “There were too many situations that the ball was around our box.”

“We have to finish in the other box and not have it in our own.”

Rafa doesn’t need to look for excuses because he’s a manager who is used to getting the results.

We need to take all our chances against Norwich on Wednesday night.

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82 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Essex Geordie Bill // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:17 PM

    C’mon Ed are you on something this morning!!

  • 2 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:18 PM

    Make all that effort and find I’ve missed the bus. Read it overleaf, can’t be bothered to write it again. 🙂

  • 3 Essex Geordie Bill // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:18 PM

    You you don’t mind people I’ve copied and re-posted all of the comment!!

    JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 12:40 PM

    REPOST
    JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 12:33 PM

    LCBP

    always remember David N’Gog and Ryan Babel getting their fair share of games

    52JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 12:36 PM

    Sing
    That’s what’s annoyed me most tbh, if someone offered me a draw before the game I probably would have taken it.

    We looked on a completely different level of quality to them on the first 60mins which should be worrying for them. The only players I think that would even make it into our squad of 25 is Amavi, Grealish, possibly Ayew and Jedinak And at a push Kodjia just as a spare winger. That’s it.

    If I was a villa fan I’d be very concerned

    53JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 12:38 PM

    And the fact that Ciaran Clark returned to villa park yesterday, and put in a motm performance and bossed their attack pretty much, is absolutely embarrassing for villa

    2JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 12:43 PM

    On a side note, im absolutely loving the way we play football under rafa. Yes he can be a bit cautious like in the last 20mins, but 9 times out of 10 it will pay off, we seem tactically very good, and flexible, we know when we can control teams and attack, and when we need to be conservative.

    What i love most is the balance we have between being attacking enough to create chances but also defensive enough to keep a very tight defence and not concede many goals.

    Going to watch the first 45 mins from yesterday again, even though we missed those chances, the football was delightful to watch

    3sing in the corner // Sep 25, 2016 at 12:50 PM

    It certainly was Jamestoon
    Much more like it. We need to join together a performance over a whole game. Some games we have loads of attacking play, sometimes we finish better, sometimes we have been better at the game management side of it. Generally we have defended well and as a unit. Last 15 to 20 yesterday that slipped a bit.
    This is the type of thing that will come as the season progresses.

    4Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:00 PM

    At the start of the season we have played most of our promotion rivals and have been unbeaten although we have been stunned by teams we thought we would beat!

    The next 10 games are mostly against teams we should beat and who will park the bus so it will be interesting to see how we do we really need to be looking to win 7 or 8 of the games after Norwich match

    5JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM

    Sing

    QPR game was a perfect performance

    6JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:07 PM

    Weird how we couldn’t win an away game for toffee in the last few years but we’re top of the league in away form, just need to make st James’ a fortress

    7estechco // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:12 PM

    WTF 29 people think Sels had a better game than Hayden and Lascelles!?!

    Give yourselves a bloody good shake!

    8Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:12 PM

    Reality check. We’re a Championship club and comparing us to PL is ludicrous and pointless. We have no divine right to win any games and clubs will be desperate to beat us. Also, it’s not just the players learning. Rafa has to get used to managing players who aren’t as good as what he’s been used to. In the past he’s had players capable of following everything he asks them to do without much trouble. His plan yesterday would have worked had we not blown simple chances and, to be fair, had a better keeper. We’re eight games in ffs. Don’t expect miracles and you won’t be disappointed as much. Villa spent as much as we did, but for 65 minutes we dominated them. They were always going to have a period on top and that’s what happened. Stop expecting us to walk every game because it simply isn’t going to happen. Over the period of the season, we have enough to get promoted – win the league even – but spitting the dummy out after a draw at Villa – not a loss – is risible. Keep the faith, it’s a long season.

    9Essex Geordie Bill // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:16 PM

    Estecho

    You’re absolutely right, I was wondering that myself.

  • 4 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:20 PM

    Cheers bill! 🙂

  • 5 Essex Geordie Bill // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:23 PM

    Bobby

    I don’t think any of us expect to win every game, far from it. I think it was the way we somehow managed to snatch a draw from the jaws of victory.

    It really felt like a loss. 🙁

  • 6 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:28 PM

    Bill, you might not mate, but read some of the posts. We are going to lose games – but we’ll win a whole lot more. Villa woke up eventually and as the home side I’d be saying ‘why did it take so long?’ Villa and Norwich are our realistic competition and we need to be getting four points of each of them. Job done at Villa, even though it should’ve been more. This is the reality of football. I’b be far more concerned if I was a Villa fan!

  • 7 JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:32 PM

    JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:21 PM

    Bobbybee

    Totally agree mate.

    Sometimes think back to the wolves game when wolves scored the 1st and you could hear boos. I wonder whether those fans really are “supporters” or are they just customers??

    Booing is ok when something is genuinely wrong deep within the roots of the club like back to the Bournemouth game last season where the club was being run by clowns in charge, things are different now, support the team, we’re not invincible, but the lads will only do better when they know we are fully behind them when they make mistakes, as there will be bumps along the road, booing will just make things worse

  • 8 JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:33 PM

    essex

    it did feel a bit like a loss, but thats football and the championship. I think the fact that villa were celebrating a draw against us at their place like theyve won the league is a good sign.

  • 9 mindshaft // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:42 PM

    Sels was flapping all game but reality is that Diame and Gayle should have had the game dead and buried , players started panicking, dropping too deep and misplacing passes – definitely need to learn how to manage a game

  • 10 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:44 PM

    James, anybody who says ‘I’ve paid my money I have a right to boo’ – as someone said in the mag – is a customer and not a fan. Never a truer word said. Souness once said Newcastle have 20k fans and 30k customers. He was wrong of course, but I got his point. I’ve always maintained that following a winning side is so so easy – it’s when things go tits up that the real fans come to the fore. Things haven’t gone tits up and people are still whining 🙂 This is why we only had 10k in the 80’s – that and the general decline in football. I was one of them and trust me, I’ve seen some real shyte in my time! 🙂 We won’t win every game and some of our lot are starting to sound like Arsenal fans. My advice is keep the faith and trust Rafa to get us promoted. Take the dips with the highs. Villa are no mugs, but the way they celebrated a draw yesterday shows how far ahead of them we really are. A home draw – wow! Had we taken our chances things on here would be a lot brighter. Sad I know. Gorgonzola? Is that a cheese? Cheesy chips? Work it out. 🙂 We’ll be fine mate. We’ll get promoted regardless of the ups and downs a season always brings.

  • 11 Lindisfarne // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:46 PM

    JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 12:43 PM

    On a side note, im absolutely loving the way we play football under rafa.

    I agree, the attacking football we are seeing is definitely more pleasurable to watch with defensive organisation. I noticed that the wingers were exploiting the space created by Gayle between their central defenders and would like to see more praise being given for his unselfish work. However, what in your opinion changed within those first 5-10 minutes of the second half?

  • 12 Rotonda heights // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:46 PM

    It annoys me when people, like gayle yesterday, just smack it straight at the keeper, when they could take it round the keeper, chip it, curl it, dummy it, anything, other than just going for power.

    That Diame miss will haunt me more.

  • 13 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:54 PM

    Lindy. One word. Villa. They changed and decided to make a game of it.

    Rotunda, don’t let it haunt you mate. Of course we should’ve been out of sight before they woke up, but surely nobody expected them to be shyte the entire game? Look what they spent – it matched us. They kept more of their relegated team as well for continuity, but I know which team I’d rather support. Too early in the season to be getting down about a few misses. In my experience there’ll be a whole lot more like that.

  • 14 Rotonda heights // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:56 PM

    bobby

    can’t help wondering if your man armstrong would have had more composure.

  • 15 JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:59 PM

    Lindisfarne

    2 things. Yedlin going off, and villa changing.

    Yedlin and Ritchie were aboslutely tearing them apart down the right. And yes your right, apart from that miss, gayle was very good with his movement and his work rate, the same goes for diame, however their shooting boots were missing.

    I also think the shakiness of sels was forcing the defence back a couple of yards, im not sure lascelles has confidence in sels, and i think this may also be a factor in villa having the better of the last 20 mins. As soon as ayew hit the post, that immediately gave villa more momentum along with their change in formation and energy from tshibola. Gestede also pushed our defence back a few yards because of his height. Sels is clearly lacking confidence and is struggling to deal with balls in the box, and hes not very commanding and is indecisive about whether to come out and punch/catch, i think that certainly played a huge part in the goal they scored, and it made them more dangerous from set pieces. I think darlow coming in could sort this out as he has a better relationship with lascelles and commands his box better, then this will give sels a kick up the ar$e and will show him he needs to massively improve if he wants to get back in the team and become belguim’s no 1.

  • 16 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:00 PM

    Rotunda, as you know, having watched the kid since he was a baby in the Academy, I have no doubt he would have scored that. He’s the most natural finisher we have and his goals throughout his young career confirm it. I understand why he’s on loan, but imo he’s better than anything we’ve retained when it comes to pace and finishing. Can’t wait to see him back.

  • 17 Belfast // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:00 PM

    The game swung when Diame missed that sitter. They did improve slightly when they changed their system but we still looked in control until that miss.

    I think Di Matteo could be getting the boot pretty soon. Their system in the first half was a disaster and he didn’t change it until half time. Criminal that we didn’t kill the game in that period. They where bloody awful in that first half.

  • 18 sing in the corner // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:04 PM

    Rotonda
    I was on about that earlier.. It seems coaches are telling players when they go through against the goalkeeper to strike it low, aim for the keepers feet or there abouts, hence the amount that go through his legs.

  • 19 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:09 PM

    Sels needs a rest, not just for us, but for himself. He can’t be enjoying life being a scapegoat, but as long as he keeps flapping – both literally and positionally – he’s going to get blamed; and rightly so. A run in the U23’s might be all he needs to regain confidence. He’s clearly struggling and it would be kinder to take him out of the firing line for a while. I was very impressed with Darlow on Tuesday night, the way he commanded the six yard box instils confidence in those around him.

  • 20 sing in the corner // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:20 PM

    Bobby @19
    I don’t know anyone who would disagree with that!
    It’s gonna get to the stage where this is doing him more harm than good, not to mention the team.
    Surprised by Rafa sticking with him this long. Trust his judgement on most things..

  • 21 lesh // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:24 PM

    Bobbybee

    I see you’ve picked up one of Essex’s traits. Missing the bus seems to be his favourite pastime!

  • 22 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:25 PM

    Sing, aye, a lot of goalkeeping is done in the mind – position, when and when not to catch or punch etc -and the longer this goes on, the more damage it could cause him in the long run. No shame in saying you’re not quite right and need a rest – far from it. It’s what’s best for the club that matters and he clearly isn’t playing to his full potential.

  • 23 lesh // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:26 PM

    James

  • 24 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:26 PM

    Lesh, must be because I can’t run anymore mate! 🙂

  • 25 toon22 // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:30 PM

    If Rafa drops Sels for Darlow it will destroy Sels,since Elliot aint match fir and Krul is on loan it would leave us with Darlow and just about 0 backup.

    Not untill Elliot is fit and has some games under his belt will Sels be under any real pressure.

  • 26 Redstream.me // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:34 PM

    For me: Shelvey

  • 27 lesh // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:35 PM

    James

    Your right about the supporter/ customer question.

    To the Club, all those who have a commitment of whatever kind to Newcastle United are customers of the Club.

    But and as you infer, it goes deeper than that and those who go to the match and boo the lads have every right to do so, buy can they call themselves supporters? I think not and they really ought to look at themselves and their counter-productive behaviour.

    Maybe they should think, ponder and ask themselves whether they really ought to find a form of entertainment they’re near sure to enjoy.

    If the boo-boys claim to be supporters them support the lads on the field but keep the negatives until after the match.

  • 28 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:36 PM

    Toon22, don’t underestimate Woodman mate, he’s already a very good young keeper. Not replacing Sels might well destroy us at the minute and Darlow was excellent on Tuesday night. If getting ‘rotated’ destroys a player, then he’s in the wrong game. You’re as good as your last game, as they say.

  • 29 lesh // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:38 PM

    Toon22

    And can we afford the luxury, the risk of conceding goals until Elliot’s fit and ready to play?

  • 30 ilovetoon8788 // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:39 PM

    We were lucky to have come away with a point at villa. Sick of the stomach knowing how much we dominated first half. Diame has been terrible for some time.

    Norwich are high in confidence and are a better team than Villa. Wonder what’s gonna happen.

  • 31 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:43 PM

    I’d say Villa were lucky we couldn’t finish or they would’ve been humiliated on their own patch. Norwich haven’t played anybody yet really, so we’ll see Weds night how good they are.

  • 32 Ibizatoon // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:46 PM

    I can’t work out why if someone boos they’re less of a fan.

    Could it not be argued that they boo because they’re frustrated? They’re frustrated because they care? Because they’re fans?

    I get the argument that it doesn’t help the players, honestly I do. I also get there will be some unrealistic fans within the ranks as well, but surely not everyone that chooses to support differently should get tarnished with the same brush of not being a real fan?

    Football has changed significantly over the years and so will the fan base. Reminisce about how it used to be to your hearts content, but don’t forget this new generation of fans are the clubs future fans.

    Much like the fans should take the highs and lows, so should the players take the highs and lows of the fans.

  • 33 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:50 PM

    Dead simple. If you support a team, booing isn’t supporting. It’s the complete opposite, it’s dissing.

  • 34 Ibizatoon // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:52 PM

    Bobby….That was dead simple in that it was short and easy to read.

    Would you settle for a “part time supporter” then, seeing as I presume they do cheer at times too and pay their money like everyone else?

    Not sure we want a fragment of the fan base to be called the Newcastle Dissers.

  • 35 Essex Geordie Bill // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:54 PM

    Sorry can’t join in as I’m off out again.

    Lesh aye I think we need a timetable. 🙂

  • 36 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:58 PM

    Ibiza, I’d sooner so called fans who boo everytime we don’t win would save their money and stay away. If your club is in freefall and everything is going wrong, that’s one thing. But booing because you lose one game in seven is bordering on pathetic and regardless of what anybody says, imo they ain’t fans, they’re customers. It’s for the mature fans to explain to the new generation that booing isn’t helping. It never has and it never will.

  • 37 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Sep 25, 2016 at 2:59 PM

    On paper we should be beating Norwich no bother and if we turn up I think we will!

    Villa were lucky they didn’t get spanked and we will create a lot of chances against Norwich who still have the same terrible defence they had last season

  • 38 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:01 PM

    Apart from anything else, doing a bad imitation of a cow in public kinda makes you look like a bit of a pillock. 🙂

  • 39 Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:02 PM

    What I do love about the championship is that we are straight back into a game on Wednesday no waiting about the whole week !

  • 40 Ibizatoon // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:03 PM

    Bobby…Perhaps the club should start issuing refunds to fans who boo telling them they’re no longer required.

    I think wires may be getting crossed here. I’m not saying people should boo or that it helps anything. As you’re aware, I’m not a big supporter of categorising supporters. Seems counterproductive, imo.

    At the end of the day, everyone who attends is a customer.

    Surely the debate is solely whether one should or shouldn’t boo, not what sort of fan they are.

    I’m fairly certain long standing die hard fans have been known to boo. It happens, for whatever reason. Not sure calling fans lesser fans or mackems is explaining anything, nor being mature.

  • 41 Ibizatoon // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:05 PM

    Bobby @37…Indeed.

    I’m intrigued to hear a cow BOOO though now 🙂

  • 42 Lindisfarne // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:14 PM

    Bobby / James

    Thanks for responding, you both state that Villa made more of a game of it. Do you therefore think in some way Rafa failed to deal with the change in momentum, perhaps believing his system should over ride all others?

    The substitution of Yedlin certainly was a massive contributionary factor, but the momentum had already begun to swing away from NUFC and in combination with his extrenuous use of energy, perhaps caused his injury to occur. The whole team became more defensive, further isolating the lone striker and a non-match fit player was introduced to a worn out midfield that was incapable of moving the ball out of our own half.

    In hindsight, perhaps a central defender coming on for Yedlin would have been wiser, replacing Diame or Shelvey (Y) with Tiote and playing 451 would have countered the pressure that we were put under.

    Not that it matters now.

  • 43 lesh // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:19 PM

    Essex

    Maybe Ed should recognise that many of his customers, contributors such as you, lead hectic lives with a diary of commitments.

    With that in mind and as part of the Blog’s continuous improvement programme, Ed should publish a timetable to inform us of the timing of new threads.

    Doing that would help you, Bobbybee and many others schedule the Blog into their hectic diaries and not miss busses!

  • 44 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:19 PM

    Ibiza, I see myself as far more than a customer and maybe that’s why we sometimes disagree. I’m a hardcore fan who has witnessed many lows and a few highs. I was there when the vast majority couldn’t be arsed, along with the other diehards and enjoy the privellege of paying for my support. I’ve never booed, simply because if I’m not happy, having a ST doesn’t mean I’m obliged to go. I go from choice and have learned over the years that supporting the Toon ain’t easy – far from it.
    As for the cow booing, I actually said ‘a poor imitation’ of a cow 🙂 That’s my take on it and nobody is going to change my mind. Don’t like it, don’t go. How hard is that? One game in seven never ever deserves booing when you’ve won the other six! Maybe we’ll never see eye to eye on how to support your team mate, that’s just life. When I’m happy with the effort, I stay behind and applaud the team off the pitch – win, draw or lose. If I’m not, I walk out at the end of the game. That’s me, but I will always explain to younger fans prepared to listen, why booing doesn’t help.

  • 45 firebug666 // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:22 PM

    Booing the players may have it’s place in the game.

    For example:

    Yesterday we should have been at least 0-3 up in the first half, and you could hear the geordies over the top of the villa fans. But those missed chances had fans a little frustrated and going in at half time leading by one goal was a shameful given the opportunities wasted.

    In the second half we we simply pi$$ poor, I couldn’t work out what had gone wrong, passing, movement, vision team cohesion were all gone, Villa could have trounced us in that second half, blimey even Hartlepool would have trounced us. So some of the fans booed they players off the pitch, Well deserved imo given that second half performance. The booing is simply to let the players know the fans are not happy, and that they need to up their game.

    The players themselves accept that they were poor, and drop mini statements on twitter etc begging the fans to stay onside.

    If the players are getting booed they know what they must do to silence their critics, and they should get out there and do just that stating against Norwich with a home win.

    Whew! rant over.

  • 46 lesh // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:22 PM

    Ibiza

  • 47 Ibizatoon // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:24 PM

    Bobby…I’ll try respond later. Apparently I’m expected to work! How unreasonable!

    The cow thing was my mind wandering, rather than you actually saying it. Gave me a smile.

    Until next time.

  • 48 lesh // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:26 PM

    Ibiza

    When I was at school, we were told in no uncertain terms that booing the opposition was bad sportsmanship. Booing our own was never heard of.

    Times have changed though since just before the First World War!

  • 49 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:29 PM

    Lindy, agree on one thing mate – hindsight is a wonderful thing. 🙂 Aye, maybe his substitutions weren’t ideal, but the ideal replacement – Colback – wasn’t available. We don’t see what he does in training mate, which kind of makes it more difficult to judge. Last season under Rafa, Tiote looked like a player reborn and if he stays, he’ll probably get back to that. Bit unfair to judge players on a cameo performance though. Villa were at full throttle when he came on and wasn’t up to pace. Football’s a funny game and who could have forseen that upsurge from a team so far under the cosh? Deciding to stick or change isn’t easy under those circumstances purely because of the reason I use for Tiote. Do you bring on someone new, or stick with those already into their game. Rafa’s used to having better players around him and this is just as much a learning curve for him as it is for the players. Overall a point away to Villa ain’t a disaster.

  • 50 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:36 PM

    And to think I bigged you up yesterday firebug! 🙂 🙂 Personally I’ve never booed and never will. It’s a personal decision. Booing has become more prevalent since the idea that winning is everything and everyone else is a loser. Not something I agree with and would be amazed if Newcastle fans agree, seeing as we’ve won nowt for nearly fifty years. It may, as you say, have a place, but not when you lose one in seven. That’s just being unrealistic! 🙂

  • 51 firebug666 // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:44 PM

    Bobbybee

    I agree, I think that in this new age of football these things will happen. I have never booed either, but think that as players and fans become close through social media (and having just read about Sels closing his account on twitter) I would take the booing over the personal abuse.

    Fans should just be asking the players to up their game or telling them they were shit, but as the majority never get that close the booing begins. But then this happens all over the world now, it’s not just our fans.

    Players get a hell of a lot of money in today’s game, so surly they should be able to put in a performance for 90 minutes.

    It’s open for debate mate, but I just think booing has it’s place, and it’s far better than personal abuse…..IMHO!

  • 52 firebug666 // Sep 25, 2016 at 3:48 PM

    By the way has anyone heard anything about Yedlin? Will he be fit for Wednesday?

  • 53 JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 4:11 PM

    lindisfarne

    I think its 50/50 about what caused us to come so deep, i think rafa will have said to them to sit back more and see the game out, and i think he went with hayden at right back to deal with the pace, maybe bringing on hanley would have been good to deal with set pieces better.

    ibiza

    Im not saying fans dont have a right to boo, or that we should put signs up saying “please dont boo” at the ground. Im saying those “supporters” who boo every time we concede, should take a long hard look at themselves. Instead of putting the team down by booing after conceding one goal, after a 6 game winning run (the wolves game) which i find absolutely astonishing, and somewhat deluded that those fans think we have some god given right to be winning everygame without conceding. I accept, booing showed how bad things were at the club in the mccardew era, but its different now, we were on a SIX GAME WINNING RUN FFS, we were flying, of course we’re gonna have bumps along the road, but hopefully in the end we can get promotion, the league is so much more competitive with the amount of money thats been spent and the managers etc. I expect us to lose between 8-12 games this season, and im pretty sure bournemouth last year still won the league despite losing 9 games i think??

    As i said there will be setbacks and mistakes made, but whats important is that we stick by the team as we have seen from that 6 game winning run, we are capable of putting a run together and playing good football, scoring goals and keeping a solid defence, this isn’t blind faith like last year when myself and others were backing mcclaren because we saw 5-10 minute “glimpses”of good football, when actually we were getting beaten left right and centre.

    We have the best manager in the league and the best squad in the league, that might not mean as much as it should in this division, but im still confident we will get promotion.

  • 54 JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 4:14 PM

    Fans should just trust rafa ibiza, and the booing and the abuse sels got on twitter makes me wonder whether we actually are living up to the reputation of having one of the best fanbases in the country, but that sort of stuff just makes me embarrassed to be honest.

  • 55 JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 4:20 PM

    It’s so much better at away games, cos even if we don’t win, players still applaud the fans, and the fans still sing and applaud the players, they’re the fans who actually support the team.

  • 56 JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 4:21 PM

    All I’m saying is there’s just no reason to be having meltdowns at the situation we’re in

  • 57 Jib // Sep 25, 2016 at 4:24 PM

    Bournemouth lost 8 games drew 12 and were champions with 90 points

  • 58 Jib // Sep 25, 2016 at 4:28 PM

    Bournemouth after 9 games were 14th on 12 points
    NUFC after 9 games are 5th on 16 points

  • 59 JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 4:32 PM

    Jib
    Thanks for that.

  • 60 Legolas // Sep 25, 2016 at 4:46 PM

    Charlie Austin on the score sheet again. I am sure someone has mentioned on here that we should have signed him last season. Who was that again ? …………………..

  • 61 WWSBRD // Sep 25, 2016 at 4:51 PM

    Norwich look like their flying don’t they? But has anyone seen who they’ve played? No one

  • 62 JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 4:55 PM

    WWSBD

    they’re gonna come to our place and try and out play us I reckon, they play the ball a lot in between the lines, so we can’t leave ourselves too open.

  • 63 Jib // Sep 25, 2016 at 5:00 PM

    Norwich basically still have a PL squad.

  • 64 hibbit // Sep 25, 2016 at 5:00 PM

    this whole meltdown thing is from the people who underestimated the championship it was never going to be as easy as a lot on here thought
    in my mind Villa had draw written all over it
    Rafa will and has made mistakes and no doubt will again but this is football its not an exact science, humans play it not robots mistakes do happen its down to how Rafa manages these mistakes and people, if he gets it right we get promoted if he doesn’t ………don’t want to go down that road do you ??

    Bobby like yourself i have gone to the games for years and the minute you pay your money over your a customer no matter what you think you are

  • 65 Jib // Sep 25, 2016 at 5:05 PM

    If Norwich don’t go straight back up they will be in the financial brown stuff up to their necks – they are taking a big risk .

  • 66 Mister Tuff // Sep 25, 2016 at 5:12 PM

    Are any fans not allowed to show their displeasure by booing, shouting whistling. Or are they never ever allowed to do it.
    I first went to SJP in the early 60’s and booing existed then.
    Records of audience displeasure go back to the times of the ancient Greeks. It is not a modern thing.

    Some would probably want us to throw rose petals at the players along with cries of ” I love you”.
    It is up to the individual whether they want to boo or not.

  • 67 WWSBRD // Sep 25, 2016 at 5:24 PM

    James
    I could see that aye they will be flying high on confidence and hopefully they will think they dominate us, we can take advantage of that

  • 68 JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 5:28 PM

    West Ham pretty awful atm

    I agree with true Geordies theory about them. Bilic’s first year built on allardyce’s defence to make them a more attacking side, hence why they did well, they’ve now lost allardyce’s defensive foundations. A bit like when Martinez when he joined Everton, first year was brilliant but then the Moyes built defence slowly deteriorated. Bilic another “champagne football” manager who can’t organise a defence

  • 69 JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 5:31 PM

    Good football shouldn’t just be seen with what the team do the ball, it should also be how the team reacts without the ball. Rafa has made me see that

  • 70 manxpie // Sep 25, 2016 at 5:40 PM

    loving the west ham meltdown be funny as hell if they were relegated
    plus that ground makes it look like a training game

  • 71 Jail for Ashley // Sep 25, 2016 at 6:04 PM

    I’m not loving the West Ham melt down, I don’t really care too much what happens to them but they are a proper football club with good tradition it would be a shame if they crashed and burned. I think that stadium could end up being a massive white elephant for them, even when it’s full something doesn’t seem quite right, it is going to look woeful when they are not doing well and only 20K are turning up. Careful what you wish for when someone offers you a shiny new stadium, unless it’s backed with Billions of Dirhams.

  • 72 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 6:05 PM

    Hibbitt, not sure i see it that way. Were we customers in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s, when we were treated very badly? We still turned up despite the conditions. This ‘customer thing is something that has come about with the PL. I never have seen myself as a customer – I’m a football fan first and foremost. Customers are those who turn up for the experience, fans turn up even when what’s on offer is diabolical and will always turn up regardless. Maybe that’s what Souness was talking about. Customers don’t keep turning up when the chips are down, whereas fans can’t help themselves. I’m surprised you class yourself as a customer after all these years. Does that mean we can get our money back when the service isn’t up to it? 🙂 Like a customer can at a resteraunt? I’m a fan and always have been.

  • 73 Wandering Geordie // Sep 25, 2016 at 6:09 PM

    The corner was not defended by us well at all.We should always have a defender at either post.Schoolboy defending

  • 74 Tsunki // Sep 25, 2016 at 6:09 PM

    What kind of fans did everyone expect to turn up at SJP in their second championship year in a decade? Long-suffering, loyal die hards? Sure there are still quite a few there, but quite a few steady customers have been put off by years of Mikes pratting about and have stayed at arms length until they see how Mike intends to proceed. So when the championship came knocking and the ground needed to be kept full, securing a high-profile Manager, cheap season tickets and cup tie offers bolstered the crowd with a considerable contingent of less hardy and more difficult -to-please punters. Thats what you have now. A match day crowd that sways back and forth like barley in the breeze. Same as the collective nuggetry on here that go from the sublime to the ridiculous from a win to draw to loss to win again. I think we will only see the real fan base at it’s most honest if and when we are back in the Premier league for a second year and look like staying there.

  • 75 jimmysmith // Sep 25, 2016 at 6:13 PM

    They need to do something about that shabby green carpet round the pitch for a start. They got the ground for free, surely they can sort that out.

    Mitrovic started in the 6 nil pile on and played well, then missed out to Gayle, then to Murphy, then again to Gayle. I wonder if he’s not feeling a bit brought down. If Rafa likes him, it’s time to play him I think, or go with Murph and be done with it.

  • 76 Jail for Ashley // Sep 25, 2016 at 6:15 PM

    jimmy,
    That’s it, you’ve nailed it, it’s that shabby green carpet, what could they put there instead?

  • 77 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 6:16 PM

    Jail, just watched the game myself and you’re right, something just isn’t right. West Ham are a proper football club and the majority of them will keep turning up, just like we did when things were bad. That new stadium just doesn’t fit with the old eastender image. It’s going to take a while before it does as well. Seems they can’t even train there, they only have access to it on match days! How crazy is that? Starting to think that they would’ve been better off trying to extend the old Bollyn ground than moving to their new stadium. I think a lot of their fans are thinking the same. Not sure what the customers think like. 🙂

  • 78 Tsunki // Sep 25, 2016 at 6:18 PM

    Bobbybee – I applaud all die hard fans who have the will and wherewithall to stick with the team rain or shine. Unfortunately for them the corporate side of the game has accelerated rapidly away from them. These days the only interest a football company has in die-hards is their continued willingness to be parted with cash under extreme duress. Mike is one of those that have tested that ethos to almost breaking point. I’ve no doubt that if those die-hards said they had no money left they would be summarily dispensed with. I’d say that the idea of being a fan over being a customer is definitely a matter of perspective. Not Mikes, SD’s or Nufc’s though.

  • 79 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 6:25 PM

    Tsunki, to be honest, they can call me what they want, but I’m a fan, supporter – whatever. We’ve got a hard core of loyal fans and that’s been proven by the attendances when what was on offer was trash. You’ve got to be loyal to put up with what we’ve put up with over the years.

  • 80 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 6:34 PM

    I shop at Asda now, but I’ll be damned if I’ll ever have Asda tatooed on my arm. I’ve got The Mighty Magpies tatooed on my arm because it’s a lifelong commitment – and tatoos are for life, or were when I had mine done. 🙂 Would I go and watch any other football club because Newcastle are shyte? Could you change your colours because what’s on offer elsewhere is better? Not a chance in hell. Would I go to Morrisons if I could get a better deal? Damn right I would. Customers are fickle, but proper fans aren’t that fickle that they would support a winning side when their own keeps losing. Massive difference between fans and customers imo.

  • 81 WWSBRD // Sep 25, 2016 at 6:39 PM

    That stadium change has really hurt West Ham hasn’t it? Bilic first manager sacked this season?

  • 82 Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 6:42 PM

    WWSBRD, I asked the same question last week mate. Gone from hero to zero in six games! 🙂 I do think the stadium has had a huge effect on them and the fact that they can’t even train on it is going to make it even worse. They need to revisit the terms of tenancy on that one or they could well go down this season.




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