Rafa Rejects All Excuses For The Loss Of 2 Points

It looked like the corner from which Aaron Tshibola scored Aston Villa’s 89th minute equalizer yesterday should have been a goal kick, after the header from Jonjo Shelvey seemed to hit a Villa defender on the way out of play.

But Newcastle can look at all the chances we missed before that time and the game should have been wrapped up by then.

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Aaron Tshibola after scoring Villa equalizer

So it really was our own fault we didn’t win the game rather easily and pointing to things like it should have been a goal kick may be good for the TV guys but it means nothing – absolutely nothing – the game’s over – we got one point.

And Rafa is not one to look for excuses and when he was told about the controversy surrounding the corner this is what he said:

“I haven’t seen the replay.”

“The main thing was what we could have done in the first half or even the chances we had in the second half.”

“And after it depends on the referee. You can look at the replays but it won’t change anything.”

“It wasn’t just one chance because there were a few.” “Diame , Dwight in the second and so many clear chances that could have changed the game.”

“But after it, we had to defend a little bit better.” “We needed to make sure we didn’t give them so many half chances.”

“In the end it was a problem for us as we had to defend throw-ins and corners.” “There were too many situations that the ball was around our box.”

“We have to finish in the other box and not have it in our own.”

Rafa doesn’t need to look for excuses because he’s a manager who is used to getting the results.

We need to take all our chances against Norwich on Wednesday night.

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82 comments so far

  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:17 PM

    Comment #1

    C’mon Ed are you on something this morning!!

  • Bobbybee

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #2

    Make all that effort and find I’ve missed the bus. Read it overleaf, can’t be bothered to write it again. 🙂

  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #3

    You you don’t mind people I’ve copied and re-posted all of the comment!!

    JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 12:40 PM

    JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 12:33 PM


    always remember David N’Gog and Ryan Babel getting their fair share of games

    52JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 12:36 PM

    That’s what’s annoyed me most tbh, if someone offered me a draw before the game I probably would have taken it.

    We looked on a completely different level of quality to them on the first 60mins which should be worrying for them. The only players I think that would even make it into our squad of 25 is Amavi, Grealish, possibly Ayew and Jedinak And at a push Kodjia just as a spare winger. That’s it.

    If I was a villa fan I’d be very concerned

    53JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 12:38 PM

    And the fact that Ciaran Clark returned to villa park yesterday, and put in a motm performance and bossed their attack pretty much, is absolutely embarrassing for villa

    2JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 12:43 PM

    On a side note, im absolutely loving the way we play football under rafa. Yes he can be a bit cautious like in the last 20mins, but 9 times out of 10 it will pay off, we seem tactically very good, and flexible, we know when we can control teams and attack, and when we need to be conservative.

    What i love most is the balance we have between being attacking enough to create chances but also defensive enough to keep a very tight defence and not concede many goals.

    Going to watch the first 45 mins from yesterday again, even though we missed those chances, the football was delightful to watch

    3sing in the corner // Sep 25, 2016 at 12:50 PM

    It certainly was Jamestoon
    Much more like it. We need to join together a performance over a whole game. Some games we have loads of attacking play, sometimes we finish better, sometimes we have been better at the game management side of it. Generally we have defended well and as a unit. Last 15 to 20 yesterday that slipped a bit.
    This is the type of thing that will come as the season progresses.

    4Lee Charnley Bunga Party // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:00 PM

    At the start of the season we have played most of our promotion rivals and have been unbeaten although we have been stunned by teams we thought we would beat!

    The next 10 games are mostly against teams we should beat and who will park the bus so it will be interesting to see how we do we really need to be looking to win 7 or 8 of the games after Norwich match

    5JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:05 PM


    QPR game was a perfect performance

    6JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:07 PM

    Weird how we couldn’t win an away game for toffee in the last few years but we’re top of the league in away form, just need to make st James’ a fortress

    7estechco // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:12 PM

    WTF 29 people think Sels had a better game than Hayden and Lascelles!?!

    Give yourselves a bloody good shake!

    8Bobbybee // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:12 PM

    Reality check. We’re a Championship club and comparing us to PL is ludicrous and pointless. We have no divine right to win any games and clubs will be desperate to beat us. Also, it’s not just the players learning. Rafa has to get used to managing players who aren’t as good as what he’s been used to. In the past he’s had players capable of following everything he asks them to do without much trouble. His plan yesterday would have worked had we not blown simple chances and, to be fair, had a better keeper. We’re eight games in ffs. Don’t expect miracles and you won’t be disappointed as much. Villa spent as much as we did, but for 65 minutes we dominated them. They were always going to have a period on top and that’s what happened. Stop expecting us to walk every game because it simply isn’t going to happen. Over the period of the season, we have enough to get promoted – win the league even – but spitting the dummy out after a draw at Villa – not a loss – is risible. Keep the faith, it’s a long season.

    9Essex Geordie Bill // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:16 PM


    You’re absolutely right, I was wondering that myself.

  • Bobbybee

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:20 PM

    Comment #4

    Cheers bill! 🙂

  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:23 PM

    Comment #5


    I don’t think any of us expect to win every game, far from it. I think it was the way we somehow managed to snatch a draw from the jaws of victory.

    It really felt like a loss. 🙁

  • Bobbybee

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:28 PM

    Comment #6

    Bill, you might not mate, but read some of the posts. We are going to lose games – but we’ll win a whole lot more. Villa woke up eventually and as the home side I’d be saying ‘why did it take so long?’ Villa and Norwich are our realistic competition and we need to be getting four points of each of them. Job done at Villa, even though it should’ve been more. This is the reality of football. I’b be far more concerned if I was a Villa fan!

  • JamesToon

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:32 PM

    Comment #7

    JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 1:21 PM


    Totally agree mate.

    Sometimes think back to the wolves game when wolves scored the 1st and you could hear boos. I wonder whether those fans really are “supporters” or are they just customers??

    Booing is ok when something is genuinely wrong deep within the roots of the club like back to the Bournemouth game last season where the club was being run by clowns in charge, things are different now, support the team, we’re not invincible, but the lads will only do better when they know we are fully behind them when they make mistakes, as there will be bumps along the road, booing will just make things worse

  • JamesToon

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:33 PM

    Comment #8


    it did feel a bit like a loss, but thats football and the championship. I think the fact that villa were celebrating a draw against us at their place like theyve won the league is a good sign.

  • mindshaft

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:42 PM

    Comment #9

    Sels was flapping all game but reality is that Diame and Gayle should have had the game dead and buried , players started panicking, dropping too deep and misplacing passes – definitely need to learn how to manage a game

  • Bobbybee

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:44 PM

    Comment #10

    James, anybody who says ‘I’ve paid my money I have a right to boo’ – as someone said in the mag – is a customer and not a fan. Never a truer word said. Souness once said Newcastle have 20k fans and 30k customers. He was wrong of course, but I got his point. I’ve always maintained that following a winning side is so so easy – it’s when things go tits up that the real fans come to the fore. Things haven’t gone tits up and people are still whining 🙂 This is why we only had 10k in the 80’s – that and the general decline in football. I was one of them and trust me, I’ve seen some real shyte in my time! 🙂 We won’t win every game and some of our lot are starting to sound like Arsenal fans. My advice is keep the faith and trust Rafa to get us promoted. Take the dips with the highs. Villa are no mugs, but the way they celebrated a draw yesterday shows how far ahead of them we really are. A home draw – wow! Had we taken our chances things on here would be a lot brighter. Sad I know. Gorgonzola? Is that a cheese? Cheesy chips? Work it out. 🙂 We’ll be fine mate. We’ll get promoted regardless of the ups and downs a season always brings.

  • Lindisfarne

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:46 PM

    Comment #11

    JamesToon // Sep 25, 2016 at 12:43 PM

    On a side note, im absolutely loving the way we play football under rafa.

    I agree, the attacking football we are seeing is definitely more pleasurable to watch with defensive organisation. I noticed that the wingers were exploiting the space created by Gayle between their central defenders and would like to see more praise being given for his unselfish work. However, what in your opinion changed within those first 5-10 minutes of the second half?

  • Rotonda heights

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:46 PM

    Comment #12

    It annoys me when people, like gayle yesterday, just smack it straight at the keeper, when they could take it round the keeper, chip it, curl it, dummy it, anything, other than just going for power.

    That Diame miss will haunt me more.

  • Bobbybee

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:54 PM

    Comment #13

    Lindy. One word. Villa. They changed and decided to make a game of it.

    Rotunda, don’t let it haunt you mate. Of course we should’ve been out of sight before they woke up, but surely nobody expected them to be shyte the entire game? Look what they spent – it matched us. They kept more of their relegated team as well for continuity, but I know which team I’d rather support. Too early in the season to be getting down about a few misses. In my experience there’ll be a whole lot more like that.

  • Rotonda heights

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:56 PM

    Comment #14


    can’t help wondering if your man armstrong would have had more composure.

  • JamesToon

    Sep 25, 2016 at 1:59 PM

    Comment #15


    2 things. Yedlin going off, and villa changing.

    Yedlin and Ritchie were aboslutely tearing them apart down the right. And yes your right, apart from that miss, gayle was very good with his movement and his work rate, the same goes for diame, however their shooting boots were missing.

    I also think the shakiness of sels was forcing the defence back a couple of yards, im not sure lascelles has confidence in sels, and i think this may also be a factor in villa having the better of the last 20 mins. As soon as ayew hit the post, that immediately gave villa more momentum along with their change in formation and energy from tshibola. Gestede also pushed our defence back a few yards because of his height. Sels is clearly lacking confidence and is struggling to deal with balls in the box, and hes not very commanding and is indecisive about whether to come out and punch/catch, i think that certainly played a huge part in the goal they scored, and it made them more dangerous from set pieces. I think darlow coming in could sort this out as he has a better relationship with lascelles and commands his box better, then this will give sels a kick up the ar$e and will show him he needs to massively improve if he wants to get back in the team and become belguim’s no 1.

  • Bobbybee

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:00 PM

    Comment #16

    Rotunda, as you know, having watched the kid since he was a baby in the Academy, I have no doubt he would have scored that. He’s the most natural finisher we have and his goals throughout his young career confirm it. I understand why he’s on loan, but imo he’s better than anything we’ve retained when it comes to pace and finishing. Can’t wait to see him back.

  • Belfast

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:00 PM

    Comment #17

    The game swung when Diame missed that sitter. They did improve slightly when they changed their system but we still looked in control until that miss.

    I think Di Matteo could be getting the boot pretty soon. Their system in the first half was a disaster and he didn’t change it until half time. Criminal that we didn’t kill the game in that period. They where bloody awful in that first half.

  • sing in the corner

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:04 PM

    Comment #18

    I was on about that earlier.. It seems coaches are telling players when they go through against the goalkeeper to strike it low, aim for the keepers feet or there abouts, hence the amount that go through his legs.

  • Bobbybee

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:09 PM

    Comment #19

    Sels needs a rest, not just for us, but for himself. He can’t be enjoying life being a scapegoat, but as long as he keeps flapping – both literally and positionally – he’s going to get blamed; and rightly so. A run in the U23’s might be all he needs to regain confidence. He’s clearly struggling and it would be kinder to take him out of the firing line for a while. I was very impressed with Darlow on Tuesday night, the way he commanded the six yard box instils confidence in those around him.

  • sing in the corner

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:20 PM

    Comment #20

    Bobby @19
    I don’t know anyone who would disagree with that!
    It’s gonna get to the stage where this is doing him more harm than good, not to mention the team.
    Surprised by Rafa sticking with him this long. Trust his judgement on most things..

  • lesh

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:24 PM

    Comment #21


    I see you’ve picked up one of Essex’s traits. Missing the bus seems to be his favourite pastime!

  • Bobbybee

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:25 PM

    Comment #22

    Sing, aye, a lot of goalkeeping is done in the mind – position, when and when not to catch or punch etc -and the longer this goes on, the more damage it could cause him in the long run. No shame in saying you’re not quite right and need a rest – far from it. It’s what’s best for the club that matters and he clearly isn’t playing to his full potential.

  • lesh

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:26 PM

    Comment #23


  • Bobbybee

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:26 PM

    Comment #24

    Lesh, must be because I can’t run anymore mate! 🙂

  • toon22

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:30 PM

    Comment #25

    If Rafa drops Sels for Darlow it will destroy Sels,since Elliot aint match fir and Krul is on loan it would leave us with Darlow and just about 0 backup.

    Not untill Elliot is fit and has some games under his belt will Sels be under any real pressure.

  • Redstream.me

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:34 PM

    Comment #26

    For me: Shelvey

  • lesh

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:35 PM

    Comment #27


    Your right about the supporter/ customer question.

    To the Club, all those who have a commitment of whatever kind to Newcastle United are customers of the Club.

    But and as you infer, it goes deeper than that and those who go to the match and boo the lads have every right to do so, buy can they call themselves supporters? I think not and they really ought to look at themselves and their counter-productive behaviour.

    Maybe they should think, ponder and ask themselves whether they really ought to find a form of entertainment they’re near sure to enjoy.

    If the boo-boys claim to be supporters them support the lads on the field but keep the negatives until after the match.

  • Bobbybee

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:36 PM

    Comment #28

    Toon22, don’t underestimate Woodman mate, he’s already a very good young keeper. Not replacing Sels might well destroy us at the minute and Darlow was excellent on Tuesday night. If getting ‘rotated’ destroys a player, then he’s in the wrong game. You’re as good as your last game, as they say.

  • lesh

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:38 PM

    Comment #29


    And can we afford the luxury, the risk of conceding goals until Elliot’s fit and ready to play?

  • ilovetoon8788

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:39 PM

    Comment #30

    We were lucky to have come away with a point at villa. Sick of the stomach knowing how much we dominated first half. Diame has been terrible for some time.

    Norwich are high in confidence and are a better team than Villa. Wonder what’s gonna happen.

  • Bobbybee

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:43 PM

    Comment #31

    I’d say Villa were lucky we couldn’t finish or they would’ve been humiliated on their own patch. Norwich haven’t played anybody yet really, so we’ll see Weds night how good they are.

  • Ibizatoon

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:46 PM

    Comment #32

    I can’t work out why if someone boos they’re less of a fan.

    Could it not be argued that they boo because they’re frustrated? They’re frustrated because they care? Because they’re fans?

    I get the argument that it doesn’t help the players, honestly I do. I also get there will be some unrealistic fans within the ranks as well, but surely not everyone that chooses to support differently should get tarnished with the same brush of not being a real fan?

    Football has changed significantly over the years and so will the fan base. Reminisce about how it used to be to your hearts content, but don’t forget this new generation of fans are the clubs future fans.

    Much like the fans should take the highs and lows, so should the players take the highs and lows of the fans.

  • Bobbybee

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:50 PM

    Comment #33

    Dead simple. If you support a team, booing isn’t supporting. It’s the complete opposite, it’s dissing.

  • Ibizatoon

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:52 PM

    Comment #34

    Bobby….That was dead simple in that it was short and easy to read.

    Would you settle for a “part time supporter” then, seeing as I presume they do cheer at times too and pay their money like everyone else?

    Not sure we want a fragment of the fan base to be called the Newcastle Dissers.

  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:54 PM

    Comment #35

    Sorry can’t join in as I’m off out again.

    Lesh aye I think we need a timetable. 🙂

  • Bobbybee

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:58 PM

    Comment #36

    Ibiza, I’d sooner so called fans who boo everytime we don’t win would save their money and stay away. If your club is in freefall and everything is going wrong, that’s one thing. But booing because you lose one game in seven is bordering on pathetic and regardless of what anybody says, imo they ain’t fans, they’re customers. It’s for the mature fans to explain to the new generation that booing isn’t helping. It never has and it never will.

  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    Sep 25, 2016 at 2:59 PM

    Comment #37

    On paper we should be beating Norwich no bother and if we turn up I think we will!

    Villa were lucky they didn’t get spanked and we will create a lot of chances against Norwich who still have the same terrible defence they had last season

  • Bobbybee

    Sep 25, 2016 at 3:01 PM

    Comment #38

    Apart from anything else, doing a bad imitation of a cow in public kinda makes you look like a bit of a pillock. 🙂

  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    Sep 25, 2016 at 3:02 PM

    Comment #39

    What I do love about the championship is that we are straight back into a game on Wednesday no waiting about the whole week !

  • Ibizatoon

    Sep 25, 2016 at 3:03 PM

    Comment #40

    Bobby…Perhaps the club should start issuing refunds to fans who boo telling them they’re no longer required.

    I think wires may be getting crossed here. I’m not saying people should boo or that it helps anything. As you’re aware, I’m not a big supporter of categorising supporters. Seems counterproductive, imo.

    At the end of the day, everyone who attends is a customer.

    Surely the debate is solely whether one should or shouldn’t boo, not what sort of fan they are.

    I’m fairly certain long standing die hard fans have been known to boo. It happens, for whatever reason. Not sure calling fans lesser fans or mackems is explaining anything, nor being mature.


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