Newcastle In Surprise Move On Red Cards


The Chronicle is reporting it is their understanding that Newcastle will appeal both red cards picked up on Friday night at Nottingham Forest in a bizarre game and a very poor refereeing performance.

We ended up losing that game 1-0, but it’s hard to win when you are down to 9 men at half time.

Jonjo Shelvey was sent off for what looked like violent conduct and he faces a three match ban whereas Paul Dummett was unlucky to be sent off as he challenged for the ball just before half time. when we had just gone 1-0 ahead – and he now faces a one match ban.

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Jonjo Shelvey – gets his marching orders

We have said Paul’s sending off was very similar to the way Fabricio Coloccini was sent off in the game at Sunderland last season and when Newcastle appealed that one – it was overturned.

Of course the damage was already done and we lost that game 3-0.

So there is some hope that Paul Dummett’s dismissal will be over-turned on appeal and we would say the chances are even good that it will be.

But it will be difficult to overturn Jonjo Shelvey’s red card and while Henri Lansbury should have also received a red card  because they were both culpable – he got off scott free.

It’s a case where Jonjo – not for the first time in his career – has let his side down by a show of petulance and indiscipline.

And we’re sure that behind the scenes Rafa Benitez is not too happy with the 24 year-old Londoner.

Rafa has a history of not wanting players playing in his team who are loose cannons and who can lose a game at basically any time because of their temperament.

While we thought Jonjo has been doing extremely well for us this season, here was a case where he basically let the side and the club down badly – 3 points down the drain.

We would have won if we were only down to 10 men – but 9 men was too much for our courageous players at the City Ground.

It will be interesting to see if Newcastle can overturn either of the red cards on appeal this week.

Comments welcome.



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64 comments so far

  • clinath@ed

    Dec 5, 2016 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #1

    Lost the game 1-0 ED?

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  • Jib

    Dec 5, 2016 at 9:18 AM

    Comment #2

    Absolute over the top bollocks.
    Let the side down !
    Petulance and indiscipline !
    Loose cannon !
    It’s a game for young men for god sake.
    Compare what Rojo did for ManU yesterday to Shelvey’s actions .
    Give your head a shake Dr. Harrison !

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  • Jib

    Dec 5, 2016 at 9:32 AM

    Comment #3

    Just watched Sky sports news.
    The announcer says “The FA is going to be busy with disciplinary issues this Monday morning”
    Then follows highlights of all the controversial issues over the weekend in the PL.
    Not a peep about our game vs Forest ffs .

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  • giimps

    Dec 5, 2016 at 9:37 AM

    Comment #4

    While i agree they both got red cards, neither was either a penalty or even a booking in my view, Angela brought Shelvey down in the box and cried wolf when shelvey tried to shake himself loose after having his legs scissored by the coward .
    Dummet nudged angela after he lost control of the ball and was trying to regain control, barely touched and fell forward/dived forward when touched to exaggerate the contact …….for me neither player is to blame and have in no way “let the side down or disgraced themselves” jonjo was only trying to free himself up so he could rejoin play and if the linesman had a decent view of the situation would have just carried on play or highlighted the foul on Jonjo.
    The only people on the pitch who let the team down are the “officials” and the sooner we either get back to the Premier league or get video technology (or both) so we can avoid the alleged bribery and corruption as well as the lower league referees with dillusions of grandeur hellbent on making a name for themselves the better.
    Sorry Dr Ed, I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment of the incidents and overall reaction to our players parts in them.

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  • toontaff2

    Dec 5, 2016 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #5

    Pity Zlatan could not play against Angela -he has said if he intended kicking Coleman in the face, he would have stayed down!
    No one has mentioned our favourite, ex-mackem IRA fan, James McClean -haha, Tony Pulis says he was scared to death watching, wondering what the thug would do!
    Or the elbow from Ashley Barnes, Burnley!

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  • toontaff2

    Dec 5, 2016 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #9

    Sorry Jib!

    Please explain what you have done to so upset Mr Tuff!

    https://cdn.meme.am/instances/59896318.jpg

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  • Jib

    Dec 5, 2016 at 10:01 AM

    Comment #10

    Toontaff
    Why are you partaking of this childish nonsense ?
    Do you want acceptance as one of the lads?
    That’s about as funny as them posting sheep pics at Welshie !
    I am very disappointed – I was thinking you were one of the more mature posters – just another Mr Tuff after all (big sigh)

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  • toontaff2

    Dec 5, 2016 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #11

    Sorry Jib, just having a daft half hour – too much caffeine!
    Will return to previous maturity, ASAP!
    http://www.rudemugs.co.uk/Mugs/images/I_love_sheep_mug350.jpg
    Will takea break!
    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/14/article-1034684-01F01F2000000578-769_468x312.jpg

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  • Jib

    Dec 5, 2016 at 10:23 AM

    Comment #12

    The annoying thing about this article is that someone from the FA could read it and say to themselves “Hey the NUFC fans sites have virtually said Shelvey is guilty”

    So bloody thoughtless !!!!!!

    gggrrrrrrrr (angry face )

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  • Jib

    Dec 5, 2016 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #13

    I am watching Porto v Braga at the moment on BT1 and I must say the mexican Hector Herrera (no16) does look the business .

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  • Jimmy……Jimmy……Jimmy Smith

    Dec 5, 2016 at 10:36 AM

    Comment #14

    I think both decisions were technically correct. I’m not sure they both had to be sent off, although probably Shelvey did, and Dummett was the last man, so the ref was within his rights. I think Shelvey will get three, and Dummett one, and to be honest neither incident was all that dusty.

    Shelvey needs to recognise his importance to the side, and stay out of this stuff. We need him out there.

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  • lesh

    Dec 5, 2016 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #15

    Jib

    We’ll get more than enough media attention when we’re back in the Prem. We’re currently a lowly little club (albeit with bigger attendances than most) that’s not part of the glamour cartel.

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  • jimmygscot

    Dec 5, 2016 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #16

    Both are red card incidence, end of story. Sure the ref was poor but no point in an appeal.
    Need to move Shelvey on once a replacement can be found.

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  • lesh

    Dec 5, 2016 at 10:58 AM

    Comment #17

    Jimmy

    Lansbury was var nigh on the ground before Dummet touched him. Cheating git.

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  • G

    Dec 5, 2016 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #18

    @14, Jimmy, technically Henry Lansbury should have been sent off first for kicking out at Shelvey, so the club have excellent grounds for appealing both as the player should not have been on the field.

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  • jayphoto

    Dec 5, 2016 at 11:08 AM

    Comment #19

    Problem Jonjo is going to have is he’s the best player in the division whom if you stop him playing, you seemingly stop Newcastle playing! He’s going to be kicked north of high heaven for the rest of the season! Hope he develops the temperament to handle that!

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  • jayphoto

    Dec 5, 2016 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #20

    On Anita on previous article, He’s useful now, if we likely get promoted (we are top and all that) I’m not sure he’s worth keeping around! Rafa will want to bring quite a few in I think because players that we couldn’t attract this summer will be interested! It wouldn’t surprise me if many of our 1st choice players became 2nd choice and many of our 2nd choice players left.

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  • Ron Knee

    Dec 5, 2016 at 11:17 AM

    Comment #21

    The NUFC website has about 10 minutes of the Forest match, including the disallowed goal.

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  • Jib

    Dec 5, 2016 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #22

    After the weekends shenanigans around the leagues the queue for the disciplinary hearings at FA HQ this morning is going to be into the car park
    http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw4Uk_AXUAAQ81u.jpg

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  • jayphoto

    Dec 5, 2016 at 11:28 AM

    Comment #23

    Putting it out there aswell, maybe controversially, but take away the 2 penalty saves and Darlow was really shaky on Friday! Parried a fair few things centrally, dropped a few crosses, etc
    The penalty saves were great, but it wasn’t a great goalkeeping performance, he was lucky forest didn’t capitalise on more than 1 mistake

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  • bettyswallocks

    Dec 5, 2016 at 11:32 AM

    Comment #24

    Jib…… I was both surprised and shocked to read that you have come out and admitted that you are a cross dresser. This must be a very difficult time for you and I for one would like to take this opportunity to praise you for having enough courage and self confidence to come out and admit this. It can’t have been easy for you.

    There are of course many underground cross dressers in society and also more relevant to us in the sporting world. Frank Maloney the boxing promoter immediately springs to mind and of course it has been suggested that David Beckham is prone to wearing Victoria’s undies as and when the mood takes him. In this modern modern era when freedom of expression must be respected to explore one’s feminine side should not condemn anyone to being a weirdo or perverted in any way.

    Good luck to you I say and don’t let the mickey taking detract from your brave decision to be transparent about this.

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  • Sav

    Dec 5, 2016 at 11:34 AM

    Comment #25

    Can anyone clarify for me why that was a penalty? If the initial tangle was not a foul, the n it was an off-the ball incident, with play already in midfield by the time Shelvey kicks out. Surely, if the ref does not wait until a abreak in play, that should have been a dropped ball where it was when he stopped play?
    Would we have been any happier had Shelvey rolled away clutching his knee and got Lansbury sent off? Far be it from me to defend a dislikeable, juvenile character like Shelvey but on this occasion, he was more sinned against than sinning. He deserved his red but so did Lansbury and it was NO PENALTY.

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  • Jib

    Dec 5, 2016 at 11:37 AM

    Comment #26

    Jay
    Strangely
    Most goalies with only eight outfield players in front of them playing against 10 on the other side do tend to look shaky and under fire at times.
    How do you think Sels would have looked ?
    We’d probably be on a negative gd by now if Matz had faced that onslaught !

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  • jayphoto

    Dec 5, 2016 at 11:41 AM

    Comment #27

    @Jib – don’t agree mate, he wasn’t inundated with things to do! In fact he had very little to do considering we were down to 9 men (pen saves aside)
    Hes the best we’ve got, but there as a few calls for him to be man of the match, but for me, the true outstanding performances were Lascelles (OG aside, he couldn’t have done much about that), Clark and Hayden! All 3 really impressed me

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  • Belfast

    Dec 5, 2016 at 11:49 AM

    Comment #28

    Correct decision to appeal both. Dummett should definitely get his rescinded, not so sure on Shelvey. The more I watch the Shelvey incident it doesn’t look like he done that much wrong. The initial foul by Lansbury is probably worse to be honest. I thought a yellow card for both parties would have been the correct decision.

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  • Jimmy……Jimmy……Jimmy Smith

    Dec 5, 2016 at 11:53 AM

    Comment #29

    I don’t think Lansbury was guilty of much other than gamesmanship. His reaction after Shelvey kicked out was clearly over the top and disingenuous, and might well have earned himself a yellow I suppose. He went down all too easily under the Dummett challenge, but had been fouled. He’s not the most sporting of players, but I don’t think that will get either off the hook.

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  • Belfast

    Dec 5, 2016 at 11:55 AM

    Comment #30

    Under the new rules if Dummett’s challenge is deemed a foul it isn’t a red card and I think some less naive referees would have actually booked Lansbury for diving. He was actually falling before Dummett even got there.

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  • Jib

    Dec 5, 2016 at 11:58 AM

    Comment #31

    bettyswallocks
    That would be funny except that the cross dressing accusation came from the sad , bitter , twisted , Australian widower “theunderrated frenchman” who tries to wind the blog up by slagging Rafa off and calling him names.

    I know you have a limited knowledge of footy and your other attention seeking efforts (I see your caption comp got no responses) have failed abysmally but allying yourself to Mr Tuff and the “underrated ” tosser is the very definition of desperate.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Dec 5, 2016 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #32

    Jimmy smith

    I would never be the first to stand up for Shelvey, but when I watched the replays of the red card incident I could not see any deliberate aggressive behaviour. Perhaps this is because it was either shown in slow motion or obscured by other players. All I could see was two players trying to stand up without being helpful to one another. I am not naive enough to think that in the motion of the legs there is not any willingness to leave a mark but, there was little to indicate to me that a red card was required. In the tangle more subtle sqeezes and scuffs can take place unseen by the cameras and officials, but the incident seemed to be predicated on the apparent outcome of the Forest player as viewed by the linesman. I think he possible mistook a boot to the face which they will surely retrospectively see was a mistake and down grade the punishment.

    The Dummett penalty award would be congratulated if the roles were reversed, although the rules now state that there should not be an automatic sending off.

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  • Jimmy……Jimmy……Jimmy Smith

    Dec 5, 2016 at 12:03 PM

    Comment #33

    Right. Last man rule has been changed. He should have got a yellow. Yeah, it will be rescinded then. Shelvey I’m afraid kicked out, not with any great venom, and not without some provocation, but that’s still very much a no no.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Dec 5, 2016 at 12:06 PM

    Comment #34

    Belfast – I agree

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  • Lindisfarne

    Dec 5, 2016 at 12:08 PM

    Comment #35

    Jimmy

    With which foot?

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  • Jib

    Dec 5, 2016 at 12:09 PM

    Comment #36

    Quite clever by NUFC I think,
    Regardless of what happens to our players Lansbury gets 2 yellows for simulation which should earn him a ban.

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  • Belfast

    Dec 5, 2016 at 12:12 PM

    Comment #37

    It wasn’t really a kick out through Jimmy. Lansbury left a bit on him and he left a bit on Lansbury. It was just Lansbury made a meal out of it.

    There was a similar incident with Zlatan and Coleman yesterday, no big deal because Coleman didn’t roll around squealing.

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  • Belfast

    Dec 5, 2016 at 12:13 PM

    Comment #38

    *Though*

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  • Jimmy……Jimmy……Jimmy Smith

    Dec 5, 2016 at 12:18 PM

    Comment #39

    I think he kicks out with both feet, not viciously, but out of irritation, and obviously in the box. I think it’s technically a pen and a red, and being given will be upheld.

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  • WWSBRD

    Dec 5, 2016 at 12:18 PM

    Comment #40

    There’s no point in appealing Shelveys he does kick out and he is that type but making it known the club feels there is more to it might draw the fa to look at it and Lansbury might be in bother

    Dummett should be an easy turn over tbh the ref has the rules wrong simple as that Lansbury didn’t cheat there imo he was just smarter than Dummett

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