This Decision Is Just Unbelievable


Well I’ve just got back from being away for a while and it’s something that just seemed impossible.

Newcastle have appealed successfully against the red cards given out to  both Jonjo Shelvey and Paul Dummett following that terrible refereeing performance and a 2-1 defeat at Nottingham Forest last Friday night at the City Ground.

Now what about the 3 points we definitely lost because those two players were wrongly dismissed?

It’s just incredible the FA have agreed with Newcastle and specifically with Rafa Benitez that both players were wrongly dismissed by inept referee Stephen Martin.

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Stephen Martin – completely inept performance last Friday night
Just a bad day at the office?


This is what Newcastle put out on their web-site:

“Both Jonjo Shelvey and Paul Dummett have had their suspensions withdrawn with immediate effect after their wrongful dismissal claims were successful following an Independent Regulatory Commission hearing.A statement was put out by Newcastle on their web-site:

“Both Jonjo Shelvey and Paul Dummett have had their suspensions withdrawn with immediate effect after their wrongful dismissal claims were successful following an Independent Regulatory Commission hearing.

“The Newcastle United pair were dismissed for violent conduct and denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity respectively during the game against Nottingham Forest on 2nd December 2016.”

This just shows the very poor officiating we have in games in the second division and that cost us a valuable win – where’s the recompense for that?

Now we wonder what happens to referee Stephen Martin – does he just go on and referee as though nothing has happened?

Yes, probably – the FA have always been reluctant to confront the difficult problems they come up against.

But this is good news for Newcastle, but it’s simply damning for the refereeing and officiating in the Championship.

Comments welcome.



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42 comments so far

  • stuart no9

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:04 PM

    Comment #1

    Petition for a rematch at the end of season and hand it to the FA with over 50,000 signatures on it , it would be very interesting to see their response

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  • stuart no9

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:06 PM

    Comment #2

    Anyone know the website to make a complaint
    To the FA ?? Let’s bombard it with emails or calls

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  • Mister Tuff

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:20 PM

    Comment #3

    Just been checking the FA site to see if there was anything on it. Found a section under Discipline – then written reasons – with a search facility.
    tried numerous searches never got a hit on ANYBODY for a few years.
    http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/written-reasons

    Looking elsewhere on the web where decisions have been publicised – they are useless – just re-iterated the charges and the result.
    Absolutely nothing publicised as to how they came to their decisions – which I would have thought would be interesting.
    Useless bunch.

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  • lesh

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:20 PM

    Comment #4

    Stuart

    Why petition for a rematch at the end of the season? Why not petition for us to be awarded the points now?!

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  • g.s.tooner

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:22 PM

    Comment #5

    Although anything might seem possible following rescinding of Jonjo’s red (Dummets was always a banker) we can’t change the result.

    It’s too dangerous a precedent for the FA to set. These kind of things go for and against. Statistically it will even out.

    The important things to remember are

    1. We’re still top of the league
    2. We’re a whopping 7 points clear of the play offs.
    3. We’ve been playing some excellent football if a little non-clinically at times
    4. Our best (only?) creative player is no longer missing for the next three games (unless he gets done for racist remarks)

    It does show a glaring hole in the squad though when you look at the options of a team without Shelvey in it and wonder where the goals are going to come from….

    Creative play maker in next window please!

    I hear there is certain ginger haired Belgian on the market after a poor performance at the weekend (no its not Fellaini…)

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  • lesh

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:24 PM

    Comment #6

    Mr Tuff

    You really expected the FA to provide the reasons for their decisions? Howay man, you’re wise enough not to be surprised at finding what you didn’t find.

    Like most sporting bodies, they’re as rotten as the others (FIFA for example) they criticise and question

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  • Shadow_Shearer

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:27 PM

    Comment #7

    Refereeing was so shocking that game, if the FA overturned both cards & the clark goal, it still wouldn’t do justice.

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  • Shadow_Shearer

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:29 PM

    Comment #8

    Let’s not forget two penalty decisions wronly given against us.

    Dummet did not tackle or even challenge, & there striker took a shocking dive. Was never a penalty, but red card was taking the piss.

    I’m not quite sure how shelvey got away with his kick. It is a red card, but there was a reason why shelvey was on the ground, he was kicked to the floor first, & alot more forcefully. Both men should have walked.

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  • stan anderson

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:31 PM

    Comment #9

    Football is being ruined by cheats like Lansbury

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  • Mister Tuff

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:33 PM

    Comment #10

    lesh – they will have the decisions written down somewhere.
    Historically like anybody else, suffice has been that player a or b was found guilty/got off etc etc.

    We’ve all just accepted that. Cannot see why they do not publish the lot – if it’s open/honest properly argued/debated etc etc – cannot see why not.
    Would love to seen their lines of though(s)/ reasonings.
    Full reports warts and all would lead to better standards.

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  • stan anderson

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:33 PM

    Comment #11

    Shelvey seems a bit of an ASSHOLE does he not.

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  • stan anderson

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:36 PM

    Comment #12

    Someone from the Swansea area said he was trouble indeed.

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  • Toonmania

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:37 PM

    Comment #13

    So is Lansbury receiving a 3 match ban for simulation twice where he should have been sent off and didn’t receive anything from the referee??

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  • Mister Tuff

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:47 PM

    Comment #14

    I know clubs can be forced to have replays if they field an unregistered player. Plenty of these have occurred. I think there are different rules in different competitions.
    would seem to me that having two players sent off – would be a greater reason to replay.
    However cannot find any rules/precedents about this.

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  • Sav

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:56 PM

    Comment #15

    The off-the-ball fracas between Shelvey and Angela Lansbury should never have been a penalty because it was off the ball, It looks as if Darlow has done the FA a massive favour by saving it. Had he not done so, there’d have been more red faces at the FA.

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  • bettyswallocks

    Dec 6, 2016 at 11:56 PM

    Comment #16

    Lesh…. From previous thread. You stated that it’s unlikely that football can be played in a sportsmanlike way due to the amount of money involved.

    There is huge money at stake now in many sports and none are played in such a blatantly dishonourable way . Obviously borderline decisions must be left to referees and players will always try to win the decision.
    However blatant cheating and trying to get players sent off is becoming a distasteful part of our game that needs stamping out.

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  • bettyswallocks

    Dec 7, 2016 at 12:01 AM

    Comment #17

    Stan Anderson…… Takes one to know one.

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Dec 7, 2016 at 12:24 AM

    Comment #18

    Whats the situation re. Shelvey’s alleged abuse, is that still ongoing.

    Can see why it’s taking so long to resolve, they have been quick enough with the red card debacle.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Dec 7, 2016 at 12:55 AM

    Comment #19

    Sav.
    If there is an off the ball incident, and the ball is still on the field of play – it’s an offence and also violent conduct ( kicking at attempts at kicking at the other player). The restart is normally a direct free kick – but as it’s in the box it is a pen.

    Little bit about off the ball incidents.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/24847724

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  • Big Archie

    Dec 7, 2016 at 1:36 AM

    Comment #20

    Don’t forget it’s not just Martin that’s the issue here.

    He didn’t even see the Shelvey incident and sent him off on the advice of his Ass (istant) who was waving so much I expected a taxi to stop next to him.

    He would also have been given advice from his asses for the Dummett sending off, the failed penalty appeal and possibly the disallowed goal.

    You might find the the inept ref situation was exacerbated by even more inept Asses.

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  • lesh

    Dec 7, 2016 at 2:04 AM

    Comment #21

    Bettys

    I most certainly take your point about football being part of the few among the many that don’t cheat as much as in the so called beautiful game.

    The game’s rotten and sadly the cheating culture is encouraged in kids’ games. Such a shame.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Dec 7, 2016 at 3:03 AM

    Comment #22

    What’s with the Angela Lansbury, why Angela?

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  • Mister Tuff

    Dec 7, 2016 at 3:33 AM

    Comment #23

    Jail – old female actress.
    =Lansbury = actor/simulation.

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Dec 7, 2016 at 3:59 AM

    Comment #24

    Oh, ok.

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  • Novocastrian66

    Dec 7, 2016 at 4:32 AM

    Comment #25

    Mister Tuff you forgot to add that they are both shite.

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  • chicousa

    Dec 7, 2016 at 4:57 AM

    Comment #26

    Great news about suspensions being rescinded! I think the way Rafa and the club handled the situation following the Nottingham Forest match was important. By not directly criticizing the refs by name and instead focusing their ire on the simulation antics by Lansbury, they created space for the appeals to be heard by the FA with somewhat open minds. Also credit to Rafa for taking a stand against excessive acting by players, which includes our own players. No room for that crap in the game!

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  • Kabul Fish

    Dec 7, 2016 at 5:44 AM

    Comment #27

    Kinda glad I missed the last couple of games – sounds like luck was against us. Rescinding two reds from one game is a huge admission of error…..at least the players r available for the weekend.

    Really hope we get a result this weekend!!! Been wearing my Toon top after work for luck 🙂
    HWTL

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  • Veltman

    Dec 7, 2016 at 6:12 AM

    Comment #28

    The decision obviously was a big surprise.
    First time after a long while something went in favor of the club.People gave their opinions on the situation and some made mistakes.But I’m with the rejuvenated bettys on this one.The refs will now up their games as they are under spotlight from now on.

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  • Sheikh MagToon

    Dec 7, 2016 at 6:45 AM

    Comment #29

    Kaboul fish,

    Are ex-mackems allowed on this blog?

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  • Kabul Fish

    Dec 7, 2016 at 7:03 AM

    Comment #30

    Why Sheikh MagToon? R u an ex-mackem like?

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  • lochinvar

    Dec 7, 2016 at 7:06 AM

    Comment #31

    BigArchie@20
    What’s concerning about the assistant flagging for his taxi is that for other incidents they were missing deliberately.
    The first Forest goal was offside and the player returning from off the pitch ( how obvious was that ) in front of Darllows line of vision.
    A good goal disallowed – no assistant involvement ?
    Two penalty claims ( one definite ) – no assistant involvement ?
    And then the two sending off incidents – one lesson in semaphore and the other no assistant involvement ?
    Add in the rogue whistle incident and you have enough clues for an FBI investigation.
    Are the FA significantly investigating the unusual activities associated with this match and betting activity because if they don’t they leave themselves open to further scrutiny. Recording the red cards is laudable as a football rules decision but what know for the Ref, the Assistants and Angela ? A statement is needed. Silence condemns the FA to inquisitive examination.

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  • lochinvar

    Dec 7, 2016 at 7:08 AM

    Comment #32

    * rescinding

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  • Kabul Fish

    Dec 7, 2016 at 7:13 AM

    Comment #33

    I think the amount of reds that weekend should naturally lead to looking at betting syndicate activity

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  • firebug666

    Dec 7, 2016 at 7:14 AM

    Comment #34

    I’m not so sure that ref’s will up their game, I doubt much will change on that score. Ref’s will judge the game on how they see it, and I doubt they will give us any more or less benefit than other teams.

    S. Jerk Martin is an exceptionally inept referee, and as for the rest in the championship, overall the ref’s are poor, but that is the quality we have to live with in this league.

    We may actually see them pull together and because Newcastle and Rafa have complained about the standard of referee’s we may find ourselves on the receiving end of yellow and red cards for every misdemeanour we become involved in.

    My gut feeling is this is going to be a very tough second half to the season, ref’s may step back a little, but it’s more likely they will be out to get us.

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  • Kabul Fish

    Dec 7, 2016 at 7:21 AM

    Comment #35

    Firebug – could work out that way (I hope not) but with the cards being rescinded they will also have to have courage in their convictions! I don’t think we will benefit and I think the refs will consider their actions too

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  • firebug666

    Dec 7, 2016 at 7:22 AM

    Comment #36

    Kabul Fish

    I think they should also look at how close a ref lives to the ground, in this case I read that S. Jerk Martin only lives 46 miles away from the City Ground, wonder what team he supports, (not the team he says he supports either).

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  • Kabul Fish

    Dec 7, 2016 at 7:28 AM

    Comment #37

    Fair point Firebug – that is shocking!!!
    I always assumed they were from further afield

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  • Mag52

    Dec 7, 2016 at 7:31 AM

    Comment #38

    Watching the women’s football during the Olympics was like going back in time. No feigning fouls, no rolling around in simulated pain if they got knocked over.
    Yes, the referees should be good enough to be aware of what’s going on and penalise those fakers accordingly, but for me the responsibility has to be with the clubs and managers.It should be stamped out at source, but it’s gone so far in the men’s game that this would be one massive job to accomplish.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Dec 7, 2016 at 7:32 AM

    Comment #39

    Although I was happy to draw a line under this episode, i would just like to draw the attention to this article from the Press Association:
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/06/newcastle-united-jonjo-shelvey-paul-dummett-red-cards-rescinded

    Within the text it mentions Shelveys dismissal was allegedly for violent conduct towards the face. Which has not been reported elsewhere and would seem to have no source, other than perhaps the actual submitted Referee Report. As it is shown to be false then the charge has to be dropped.

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  • firebug666

    Dec 7, 2016 at 7:40 AM

    Comment #40

    Lindisfarne

    The whole episode does kinda give the feeling that there was more at play than just a football match. In all my lifetime I have never witnessed a game where the officials were so one sided.

    Like many others on here rather than draw a line under it, I would welcome a full investigation into the whole affair. I said on the night “if ever there was a case for match fixing that was it” and I still feel the same way.

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