Newcastle Have Already Completed One Deal For January


Next month we are hoping that Newcastle will formally announce that Florian Thauvin has been sold to Marseille (for around £10M) so we have clawed back some of the £13M (estimate) we paid out to Marseille for the player eighteen months ago.

Florian followed  the same track as Remy Cabella at Newcastle – Remy was a similar kind of player signed the season before from Montpellier – and after a failed first season on Tyneside he was sent out on loan to Marseille for last season – it was an obligation to buy loan.

That means that when Remy played a certain number of games for Marseille – 12 – the transfer was automatically executed for the fee agreed to in the loan contract.

Florian Thauvin in pre-season at Newcastle

Florian is on exactly the same loan deal this season as Remy was on last season and Thauvin  has already played 12 games – so he will become a Marseille player in January when transfers are again officially allowed.

So any discussion about bringing Florian back to Newcastle is beside the point – he will be a Marseille player in January.

That’s been a decent deal for Newcastle after Thauvin played poorly for Newcastle for about five months, before he got a loan deal arranged back to his former club in January of this year.

To be fair to the youngster, he did come back in pre-season – which must have been very difficult for him-  and Rafa said he was very professional and trained hard.

So that shows some maturity from the Frenchman and good for him – he deserves credit for that.

So Florian is gone and whereas Newcastle didn’t announce Remy Cabella as having been transferred to Marseille until late August this year, we hope Managing Director Lee Charnley will announce the Thauvin move – hopefully early next month.

We’ll see if that happens.

Comments welcome.



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28 comments so far

  • Jib

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #1

    AncientC

    Accountancy not your forté I see.

    NUFC received £71 million in June for their season 2015/6 in the PL (even though relegated you stll get the PL dosh at season’s end)

    I’m fairly sure part of the agreement with Ashley was to ring-fence that money for player purchases , on condition Rafa got the wages down and binned the deadwood.

    The parachute payments for this season should cover the Benitz reduced operating costs

    So we have a war chest of around £100 million – although the club will not like it publicised too much for obvious reasons.

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  • jayphoto

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:32 PM

    Comment #2

    Thauvin has looked excellent for Marseille! Really been their best player, think he won like club player of the month 6 months in a row… For me he’ll definitely go on to be a 20-30m player, but it won’t be in England! Could see him eventually going onto a sevilla/Valencia type club…
    Similarly, Saivet has been playing really well… St Ettiene are using him in the strangest of ways, as a defensive midfielder that plays in a number 10 spot. They’re using his work rate and athleticism to basically run around like a mad dog and press from the very front when they don’t have the ball, and to run into channels etc when they do have the ball. Its actually working quite well!

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  • Jib

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:34 PM

    Comment #3

    I did read an article in a French paper (which I never repeated on here cos I thought folk were sick of the subject) in which Thauvin’s old manager said Florian never wanted to join NUFC and did it under duress in order to help out OM’s finances.

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:35 PM

    Comment #4

    thought this was worth a re-post.

    WW
    I hope that is correct, It would be a major boost if £30 to £50m were spent on a single player in January.

    Griezeman would be a good buy, any others?

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  • jayphoto

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:37 PM

    Comment #5

    reckon the wages will have lowered significantly… Even more so when they get Tiote off the wage bill!
    Pretty sure coloccini was on more than Lascelles and clark combined, Cisse was on really high wages too, and im pretty sure wijnaldum was on mega money. Not sure about sissoko, but I’d bet Ritchie is on half of what Townesend was taking in!
    Similarly, Obertan and taylor were on about 30k a week each and Gouffran is on more than that!
    Don’t know what Thauvin was on, but he was one of the highest paid players at Marseille and we paid him so much that he took a move he didn’t want….
    Similarly, Gayle, Yedlin, Hayden, Hanley don’t strike me as players that came because the money was huge

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  • AncientC

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:40 PM

    Comment #6

    Jib, the club has missed out on the PL money, the very year the increase was due to kick in.

    Where are you getting this £100 million from? You do realise the club has to pay players and cover costs.

    Are you even accounting for the nearly £80 million spent the year before. To quote Ashley from last season: ‘when Ashley was asked how much was left in the bank account, he responded, “Virtually nothing. They have emptied it.”

    Anyways, I would be interested to see how you came to your conclusions.

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  • jayphoto

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:40 PM

    Comment #7

    @Jib – read and heard that many times! Marseille is a club who must be very hard to leave! Beautiful place and the fans are like geordies, absolutely mental!
    Pretty sure Thauvin turned us down at Bastia and at Lille before we offered him so much in wages he couldn’t turn it down. Read somewhere too that the Marseille president personally asked him to take the move so that they could afford to pay the players

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  • WWSBRD

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:42 PM

    Comment #8

    Essex
    Haha am not sure we will be aiming that high just yet…maybe in the summer but potentially one or two 7-12mill players may not be out of the question. Think Rafa confirmed he has money to spend in Jan if he wants to but obviously didnt put a figure on it

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  • AncientC

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:43 PM

    Comment #9

    “The last year that Ashley injected funds was £29 million in 2010, which facilitated promotion back to the Premier League at the first attempt. Not only has he not put any more money in since then, but the club actually made an £11 million repayment of Ashley’s loan in 2012.”

    Unless Ashley changes his methods, and puts his own money in, Benitez will only have to spend what the club has generated after paying down costs.

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  • WWSBRD

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:45 PM

    Comment #10

    jay
    True we may be up on wages from our PL days but Ashley may of dropped that as we are in the Champ (plus he may of agreed to over pay from last Jan onwards gambling on McClaren saving us from relegation and being able to off set the loss with the money from the new TV deal but since we were relegated that deficient may be calculated into how much the current budget for wages is)….essentially who knows

    Oh I blame u for any accountancy chat now haha

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:47 PM

    Comment #11

    I think some people are missing my point about Gayle, I’ve never once suggested that he is disliked by the crowd only that he doesn’t seem to be getting the recognition a top scorer deserves, in both the gamrs I’ve been to at home the round of applause he got when the line up was announced was no louder than anyone elses and despite getting both goals at Barnsley I never heard his name sung, I’ve mentioned this a few times before Ando made the point on Ssturday, zBobbybee never heard what Ando said so I don’t know how he can immidiately put it down as bollix just because he doesn’t agree with him.

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  • jayphoto

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:48 PM

    Comment #12

    Might be a case that we see the club make a couple bigger signings with payments spread over the course of a contract? Most clubs operate that way, but under Ashley Newcastle never has…
    Would be absolutely shocked if we don’t have a net spend of about 25-30m in the summer aswell as money from sales. Thauvin just gone for 13m, reckon Saivet will follow for about 5-6m, hes enhancing his reputation! Krul might generate a bit too, got a feeling they’ll cash in on Mitrovic at some point

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  • cyprus

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:50 PM

    Comment #13

    Has anyone watched this Reading team? Did you watch them vs. us? Was their coach right in claiming they played better than us?

    Just wondering.

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  • jayphoto

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:52 PM

    Comment #14

    one thing I;m sure, Benitez has never accepted a job in the last 15 years where he can’t buy the players he wants to play a certain way.
    My guess is his talks last summer involved discussions about investment over the whole course of his contract, last thing he’d want is to get promotion and they end up tied in for 2 years with a side that can’t compete!
    If he signed up to, and was happy with the level of investment he’ll get, and things we can compete, that’s good enough for me

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  • jayphoto

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:53 PM

    Comment #15

    @Cyprus- only team I’ve seen this year that played us off the park! We won 4-1 but our finishing was superb and readings was awful, on another day that score line could have been the other way around! Best team we’ve faced in my opinion

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  • WWSBRD

    Dec 12, 2016 at 2:58 PM

    Comment #16

    jay
    True but what Ashley says and what Ashley does is often two different things

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  • jayphoto

    Dec 12, 2016 at 3:00 PM

    Comment #17

    @wwsbrd – Agree with that!The guy is so unpredicatable! Hoping he realises he’s stumbled into a successful formula now! Guessing you don’t turn 50k into 4 billion like he has without being slightly adaptable here and there even if it takes 10 years to see it

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  • cyprus

    Dec 12, 2016 at 3:03 PM

    Comment #18

    Thanks Jay. That fills me with confidence 🙂

    So we must keep them at arm’s length.

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  • martoon

    Dec 12, 2016 at 3:04 PM

    Comment #19

    Jail @11 – I understand exactly what you’re saying. It’s a strange one but I guess it’s because he’s not a traditional number 9. I think as I said to you once before he’s a canny enough lad but not blessed with the most dynamic personality which probably contributes to it as well.

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  • The next Mike Williamson

    Dec 12, 2016 at 3:04 PM

    Comment #20

    The trouble with rating Gayle is it’s difficult to tell how good he is from his goals record. I could probably name 10 English strikers that would be getting 30+ a season playing for a team annihilating a weak league. He’s getting 4 or 5 chances a game, and even Ameobi & Harewood were scoring for fun under similar conditions. How many goals would Gayle have if he was at Rotherham or Barnsley? There are big question marks over every player apart from Krul, Shelvey, Diame, and Ritchie who have proved they can do it at premiership level. Even Clark who has been amazing has doubts; can he perform good when he’s under bombardment by better strikers? He didn’t seem to do that good at Villa. We want to be aiming for top 6-8 next season so we need 3 or 4 top players.

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  • WWSBRD

    Dec 12, 2016 at 3:08 PM

    Comment #21

    jay
    He may realize he has it good now but Rafa will want funding and Ashley cares more about the bottom line than…well anything else really

    To get to where Rafa wants us to be thats going to cost a lot of money

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  • jayphoto

    Dec 12, 2016 at 3:09 PM

    Comment #22

    @Cyprus- think we’ll be ok! From what I’ve seen of them, the style of play is really attractive, dominates possession etc but their strikers aren’t fantastic and their defence is easily got at! Hence why they had like 60% possession and about 15 attempts on goal at st james’ and lost 4-1…
    Reckon Stam would be able to turn them into a force with some backing mind…
    Personally reckon we’ll top this league by 10 points come may, and I’d probably say brighton will take 2nd by a decent margin too….
    Going by managers, players and transfer backing, I’d put my house on Villa winning the play offs. Brucey knows the score down here, Dr Tony seems like hes enjoying playing football manager and will put his hand in his pocket and they’ve already got some decent players…
    For me, Reading, Sheffield wed, leeds etc all seem to have about 8-10 really decent players but theres at least 1 or 2 in their line ups that are weak links and the squads are threadbare

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Dec 12, 2016 at 3:10 PM

    Comment #23

    People still seem to be clinging to the idea thst Rafa is on the same kind of restrictions that the previous patsies were under. He has only signed up because the policies he has suggested have been put in place, how many times must this be said, there were weeks of talks putting a watertight contract in place. Benitez had the advantage of listening to Shearer and seeing the way KK was shat on, he did not just shake hands on the deal. If Ashley wants to breach the contract, have Rafa sue for constructive dismissal and have even the die hard Ashley fans see him for what he actually is then there’s nothing we can do about it at the moment.

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  • jayphoto

    Dec 12, 2016 at 3:13 PM

    Comment #24

    @ the next mike Williamson – Biggest compliment I can pay Gayle is that when we were premier league against him, and I saw he was coming off the bench I had a feeling of dread…
    Reminds me of Ian Wright a lot in style. Reckon defenders struggle with pace and movement at every level, and his finishing seems sharp.
    Obviously didn’t fit pardews model, that’s an endorsement in it’s self. He’s lighting off the spot too in the box which defenders hate (similar to how mick Quinn was, fastest man alive over half a yard) and he seems to know where to be! The fact that he’s knee high to a grasshopper and has scored a few with his head is testament to his movement and positioning!

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Dec 12, 2016 at 3:16 PM

    Comment #25

    “Obqiously didn’t fit pardews model, that’s an endorsement in it’s self.”
    Lol

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  • WWSBRD

    Dec 12, 2016 at 3:22 PM

    Comment #26

    Jail
    Are u advocating ignoring possibilities just because we hope they wont happen?

    Everything u say about Rafa joining is true but its just as likely Ashley will ignore his agreements with him as it is that he will honor them

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  • Moonraker15

    Dec 12, 2016 at 4:07 PM

    Comment #27

    Gayle is the best striker we’ve had since Andy Cole other than Shearer in the Prem.
    He’s an arrogant little so and so and he knows he’s good. One thing you need as a striker is confidence and he has that in abundance. By the way, I don’t recall Shola or Harewood knocking them in in any league; I think Shola only scored 50 odd in his entire career. Haha good old Pardew has sold Gayle and the other guy to Brighton who have scored nearly 30 between them already this season! He knows a good player doesn’t he? Lol

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  • Big Archie

    Dec 13, 2016 at 3:55 AM

    Comment #28

    So – we HAVE ALREADY completed a deal – you hope?

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