Shelvey Likely To Play Against Sheffield Wednesday


The FA commission reported on their findings yesterday morning and the charge of misconduct against Jonjo Shelvey was said to be proven – and the Newcastle midfielder was banned for five games, fined £100,000 and he must attend an FA Education course.

But Newcastle via their statement yesterday as the defendants in the case say they are now waiting for the written evidence before deciding whether to lodge an appeal.

Jonjo Shelvey – may appeal the charge

The club have seven days after they have received the written evidence to decide whether they will appeal the verdict.

The Chronicle are reporting the written evidence is a legal document and a draft could be delivered to the club by Friday.

Newcastle would then have seven days after that to decide whether to appeal and during that process Jonjo Shelvey could play in the home games against Sheffield Wednesday on Monday and Nottingham Forest on the following Friday evening.

Here are the next nine games that Newcastle will play through early February.

December 2016	
Newcastle v Sheffield Wednesday Mon 26 Dec 19:45	
Newcastle v Nottingham Forest	Fri 30 Dec 19:45	
January 2017	
Blackburn Rovers v Newcastle 	Mon 2 Jan  15:00	
Birmingham City v Newcastle 	Sat 7 Jan  15:00 - FA Cup	
Brentford v Newcastle 	        Mon 16 Jan 19:45	
Newcastle v Rotherham United	Sat 21 Jan 15:00	
Brighton v Newcastle            Sat 28 Jan 15:00	
February 2017	
Newcastle v QPR	                Wed 1 Feb  19:45	
Newcastle v Derby County	Sat 4 Feb  15:00

From a pure tactical viewpoint maybe Newcastle will be able to play Shelvey in the game on Boxing Day and then decide not to appeal, which means he would miss the next five games, but he would be available for the tough game at Brighton on 28th January.

If the club decides to appeal we suppose the ban is held up until after the appeal is completed, but how long that would take we don’t know – but it would be important that Jonjo somehow plays at Brighton.

It’s almost certain that Jonjo will be available for the Boxing Day game against the Owls on Monday and they are a good side.

What do you think?

Comment welcome.



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48 comments so far

  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:20 AM

    Comment #1

    Hibbit,
    The FA usually makes these things public eventually, but I’d hate to attempt to put a timeline on it, and it wouldn’t be until after any appeal is dealt with.

    I’m not sure what confidentiality is placed upon cases such as this under FA jurisdiction, if they were to appeal, maybe elegising a club or Shelvey statement disclosing details of what is claimed to have been said by both parties would help people understand better. The hearsay and gossip element doesn’t help anybody come out of this smelling of roses. I get it when it is a legal court of law, but a sport hearing???

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  • G

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:26 AM

    Comment #2

    Appart from thd Bosman case, is there a precident, or even a possibility of this sort of case being overthrown through the law courts, if this was me, and I was innocent then I would consider it slanderous. Could this be persued this way, as I think we have established that the FA is ill qualified to deal with legal cases?

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:28 AM

    Comment #3

    Firebug,
    I’m neither condemning Shelvey here, or saying the Wolves player is innocent. I don’t know what Shelvey said, and if there is confusion or any uncertainty, then he shouldn’t be charged.

    I’m more looking at it from how people on here are defining the term racism. I’m not saying that your mum was racist, but I would say that the phrase definitely falls under the definition of racism. Like I said earlier, ignorance is one of the biggest drivers of racist comments, but in many cases it is not meant as malicious or meant to offend, people just don’t really see the racial angle in it. It doesn’t make them racist necessarily.

    Shelvey hasn’t been charged with being a racist, but with abusive racially aggravated language. I’d imagine that if the Wolves players stories varied, then for him to be charged the variant would be the adjective prior to Arab, but they all confirmed he used that word. If Gayle and Mitro were witnesses on Shelvey’s behalf, it would be interesting to know what they claim to have heard.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #4

    Firebug,
    Common sense should have come in before Shelvey used whichever term or phrase he is being accused of. It isn’t like it is the norm to see people accused of this thing, so surely there must be the acceptance that there is something to this. No smoke without fire.

    It may well be less serious than has been made out, and been blown out of proportion, but it is hardly like people go round accusing other players and getting them charged with this sort of thing on a regular basis. There must be something in it, and it is difficult today to what extent without full disclosure of the evidence and information at hand.

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:35 AM

    Comment #5

    today = to say

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  • lochinvar

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:40 AM

    Comment #6

    Scottish slang definition:
    ” Arab – Mild nuisance, troublemaker
    Supporter of Dundee United”

    In that context the FA are discriminating against us Jocks !

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  • Jib

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:46 AM

    Comment #7

    The Bosman ruling is a 1995 European Court of Justice decision – unfortunately we have Brexited and the last resort of appeal in the UK now is probably the House of Lords which is notoriously pro-establishment .

    If Shelvey felt strongly enough about it I guess he could use the The Human Rights Act 1998.

    Again that Act is linked to the European Convention on Human Rights and Brexit has muddied the waters.

    There is the law of slander which was considerably altered under the The Defamation Act 2013
    There are rumours that John Terry is considering having a go at individual FA members under this Act when he is fully retired.

    There are a lot of folk out there who are really pissed off with the FA.

    Anybody hear Greg Dyke on about the FA the other day on Sky ? – he wasn’t very complimentary.

    I must say I prefer the States system of sports admin where they have an appointed commisioner and not an old fart (remember Will Carling) committee man to be seen.

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  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:50 AM

    Comment #8

    Just seen rumours that we are after Fabian Delph and Loftus Cheek on loan!?!?

    Would be good to get both of them if they can stay fit mind you as both seem to get a lot of niggling injuries!

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #9

    Shelvey could take it to the Court of Arbitration for Sport if he felt strongly enough about it.

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  • lochinvar

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:55 AM

    Comment #10

    Mourinho has an opinion on the FA
    ‘Old guys, don’t have a clue about football. I told them that they are a disgrace.’

    Isn’t that ageism…?
    Can’t have that now can we

    Read more:
    http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/23/jose-mourinho-on-uefa-and-the-fa-they-want-to-fk-me-and-they-do-6146488/#ixzz4TSst5rTC

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  • Lilongwe Geordie

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:56 AM

    Comment #11

    LCBP,
    I wanted us to go for Loftus Cheek in the summer, but I’d want a permanent deal, or an automatic pre agreed fee and trigger if it was a loan deal.

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  • WWSBRD

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #12

    LCBP
    Cant see us getting both of them surely? Out of the two Id prefer Delph (mainly because am no great fan of loans unless we can buy at the end)

    Him and Shelvey broke into the England squad around the same time didnt they? Would be a good partnership if Delph could get over his injury issues

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  • one fine day

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:58 AM

    Comment #13

    Nevermind all this shelvey nonsense …the real news today ..
    Did no one notice the appearance of toonbrother a few streams back ?
    Good to see .i thought we had lost him to the San Lorenzo fc blog forever 🙂

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  • WWSBRD

    Dec 21, 2016 at 9:59 AM

    Comment #14

    loch
    Why do Scottish use the term ‘Arab’ where does it come from?

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  • Veltman

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #15

    Good shout on Fabian Delph by Lilongwe.
    Good fit for the mf but doubt he will drop down to play in the ccp.Don’t know his injury records are but will be icing on a cake if he signs,same goes for Yuri Tielsman.Got a feeling we’ll struggle in the absence of Shelvey.May be he has had bad dicsiplinary records on the FA books previously,Especially when he was at Liverpool-horondous tackles,red cards etc..hence heafty fine and ban.

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  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:08 AM

    Comment #16

    @WWSBRD

    We are short in the midfield Colback is going to be a while by the looks of things and then we have the AFCON players as well as Shelvey so we could do with quality!

    They may be tempted to join us on a permanent once we are back in the premiership under Rafa only really the top 6 should hold more pulling power than the rest of the teams if we are seriously ambitious!

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  • manxpie

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:10 AM

    Comment #17

    Nah wouldn’t want Delph like another overrated English player ( is that racist? )
    Plus he’s made his money now at city and they very rarely get their hunger back after that imo

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  • WWSBRD

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #18

    LCBP
    Aye what is up with Colback? Did he lose an eye in that incident?

    U might be right though we might be after both I honestly havent got a clue (apparently Delph has been out most of this season due to injuries as well which puts me off him I thought he had been fit for awhile now)

    It’ll surely be early in the window when we do business though as u say the CM region is going to be down to the bones

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  • Jib

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #19

    In the late Victorian period and up to WWl the Scots Guards in Egypt and Sudan and The Black Watch (Royal Highlanders) in Mesopotamia (Iraq and parts of Iran) were garrison troops and always referred to the natives (not very accurately ) as Ay-rabs .

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  • lochinvar

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #20

    WWSBRD – unfortunately unable to answer that question but most of these phrases and words are lost in the passages of time but I recall it was never racist, derogatory yes but almost said with affection.
    I used to get called this, can I sue ?

    http://www.firstfoot.com
    gives some insight into a host of useful phrases !

    This one reserved for the refs: “Away an bile yer head”
    In English: “Get lost, shut up. ”

    Hence ” Away an bile yer heid ya – numpty,ye dinnae ken whit yer talking about “

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  • lochinvar

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #21

    Jib – is there anything you don’t know about ?
    Have you thought about University Challenge or I want to be a Millionaire as career ?

    Intersting insight

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  • Spoof

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #22

    An offensive comment for me all depends upon how it is said. I’ve been told to F off many times but rarely took it as being offensive as it was said my friends or family in a passive manner so for me we can’ really judge whether Jonjo was being offensive or racist as we don’ t know what context the comment was said in, however I seriously doubt that it was said in a jovial context as it is unlikely that the Wolves lad is an acquaintance of Shelvey’s so the chances are Jonjo has got what he deserved, assuming of course that comments were made.

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  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:43 AM

    Comment #23

    @WWSBRD

    His eye injury seems to be keeping him out for a while it might be more of a precaution incase he takes a whack from a challenge

    In an ideal world we would go for a youngster from abroad so they can get used to the English game before next season although the danger is they get totally bullied like Perez

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  • WWSBRD

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:45 AM

    Comment #24

    loch
    Well if Jibs googling skills are to be believed the origins of the slang is based is race, now obviously u dont see any racial connotations in it but then (and I am purely guessing here) u wouldnt be the target of it if it was to be taken as racial?

    But hey this isnt the forum to be discussing such things haha I was just curious tbh

    Who do u reckon we should get to fill the Shelvey shaped void in the team come Jan?

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  • lochinvar

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:50 AM

    Comment #25

    WWSBRD

    Frank Lampard ( back from USA ) ?

    I’ll have to think on this…

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  • WWSBRD

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:51 AM

    Comment #26

    LCBP
    Hope so, cant be having a one eyed ginger Pirlo can we? Haha. How long was de Jong out with his eye injury? His was pretty serious tbf I hope Colbacks isnt as bad as that was

    Sounds like Tielemans ur talking about there. He’d be my ideal purchase come Jan tbh rather a big statement though pretty sure it wont happen

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  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #27

    @WWSBRD

    Yeah Tielemans would be dream signing material !

    But yeah a player like him , a left winger and another domestic based midfielder would be a good window for me!

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  • firebug666

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #28

    Spoof

    The context may well be what is missing from the quote, for example, if the wolves player had called Shelvey a baldy b@st@rd, and Shelvey retorted with Smelly Arab then that’s just handbags, a bit of name calling, without knowing what was said, or how it was perceived by players involved we cannot make judgement of Shelvey’s guilt or otherwise.

    The fact that the three wolves players involved gave conflicting accounts over what they heard should mean no case to answer.

    The prefix to the word they all allegedly agree was used “Arab” will be what the FA are looking at in context.

    Personally I think it is something and nowt, blown out of all proportion, and Shelvey is right to fight it. I bet in the reality of the game he suffers more offensive abuse from players than he dishes out.

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  • WWSBRD

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:55 AM

    Comment #29

    loch
    Oh thats not a popular choice! 6-18 month contract with a view to go into coaching might appeal to him though. I havent kept up with his America adventure but he started off on the back foot (with the whole sneaky City loaning fiasco) but I heard he won over the fans with his displays more so that his Italian partner

    If he was still at a similar level as when he left the PL to go over there hes not a bad shout

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  • Mister Tuff

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:56 AM

    Comment #30

    Re FA Written Reasons.
    Just seen this morning the the written reasons for the Jack Colback betting case have appeared on the FA Website – (today).
    Hearing was on 25.11.16. So that is nearly a month before it was put into the public domain.

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  • Veltman

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:57 AM

    Comment #31

    Spoof – I see you didn’t reply back to my posts towards you couple of times.
    Have you been tailed and dragged by the usual suspects?I know you are capable of managing,like,Lilongwe,but just wondering like..

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  • Jimmy……Jimmy……Jimmy Smith

    Dec 21, 2016 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #32

    What’s the thinking? You can use racist language, but somehow not be a racist. If you do in fact call someone a “smelly Arab”, you have been racist. No question. It’s right that Shelvey be called out for it, if he in fact said it. It’s racism pure and simple and there’s no justification for it, nor is there any valid reason for diminishing it. If Shelvey said it, or similar, he should accept the ban and the fine, and undergo the course, and never say anything like it again.

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  • Jib

    Dec 21, 2016 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #33
  • WWSBRD

    Dec 21, 2016 at 11:05 AM

    Comment #34

    firebug
    Thats not handbags in my eyes

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  • firebug666

    Dec 21, 2016 at 11:10 AM

    Comment #35

    Jimmy

    The point is Shelvey is denying it, the wolves players are the ones saying that is what he said. But then whatever was said what provoked him to say anything, was an insult directed at him personally, or was it something said about Anita who was being sent off.

    I don’t understand why everyone is so ready to believe Shelvey is guilty of racism and should accept the punishment, when he himself is saying he is innocent, if he appeals and is still found guilty and gets a longer ban and larger fine, but still claims he is innocent does that mean that he is guilty, or does it point to another miscarriage of justice from the FA.

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  • firebug666

    Dec 21, 2016 at 11:14 AM

    Comment #36

    WWSBRD

    The point is they were both exchanging insults allegedly, and the wolves players claimed racial abuse from Shelvey, a claim Shelvey denies.

    So in reality he gets abused, gives some back and on the conflicting hearsay of three wolves players, one of whom understands very little English, Shelvey gets banned and find.

    Sounds fair!

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  • firebug666

    Dec 21, 2016 at 11:16 AM

    Comment #37

    *fined even

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  • WWSBRD

    Dec 21, 2016 at 11:23 AM

    Comment #38

    firebug
    If Shelvey was abused and replied with a racial insult then that is not handbags, its what he is being accused of

    It also wasnt hearsay its witness accounts thats very different, as for it being conflicting whats conflicting about them? We dont know

    Personally I am waiting until the information comes out before making a decision on Shelveys innocence, remember a lot of people defended Adam Johnson because he said he didnt do it and were left with egg on their faces

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  • Jimmy……Jimmy……Jimmy Smith

    Dec 21, 2016 at 11:23 AM

    Comment #39

    I’m inclined to think Shelvey said it, and won’t own it, as people so often don’t, or said something similar but not exactly that, and feels he was provoked, and hopes this will absolve him. In a word “denial.” He may well be a good bloke, on balance, but I think he probably does need to take the course, but we’ll see.

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  • hibbit

    Dec 21, 2016 at 11:30 AM

    Comment #40

    till its made public we just dont know
    we all have opinions but we are all just guessing the truth be we just dont know

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