Sad Situation – Player Could Be Frozen Out This January


The loan move of Tim Krul to Ajax simply hasn’t worked out like he or Newcastle had expected.

The deal was that Tim would go to Ajax for the season and replace Dutch International goalkeeper Jasper Cillessen, who moved to Barcelona in the summer.

But as Tim was rehabilitating in Holland and getting ready to play for Ajax in late summer, 20 year-old Cameroon goalkeeper Andre Onana took his chance and has been Ajax’ regular goalkeeper this season.

Tim Krul – in happier times

Not only that, but 36 year-old Dutch goalkeeper Diederik Boer has been the backup – so no place for Tim Krul even in the Ajax first team squad.

Krul was offered back to Newcastle last week, but Rafa already has three goalkeepers competing for the number one spot at Newcastle and couldn’t take him.

The news today is that Tim has been told he can leave the club, but whether he can get another club to play for the rest of the season is unlikely, given tomorrow night at 11:00 pm is when the transfer window slams shut.

Tim has never played one game for the Ajax first team this season as he recovers from the serious knee ligament injury he picked up playing for the Netherlands in October of 2015 in a Euro 2016 qualifying game.

This is what Ajax manager Peter Bosz has said about Tim’s situation:

“When the decision was made to loan Krul, Onana was not the first goalkeeper, there were doubts whether he could do it all, but he has taken his chance.”

“You never know in football, if a club comes for him and he wants to go then he goes there.”

It’s a sad situation for a player who has given such great service to Newcastle United since he was signed on from his home town club ADO Den Haag as a 17 year-old in the summer of 2005.

Tim has played 185 times for Newcastle in the 12 years he has been on the books and developed into a top class goalkeeper during that time.

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50 comments so far

  • lesh

    Jan 30, 2017 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #1

    Krul’s been more than loyal and deserves a testimonial.

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  • Bobbybee

    Jan 30, 2017 at 12:46 PM

    Comment #2

    6Bobbybee // Jan 30, 2017 at 12:44 PM

    Nice to see Barnsley finally picking Arma’s runs at last. Lovely run and finish on Saturday by the lad. Unlucky with one that clipped the bar as well. My mouth waters with the prospect of Shelvey picking his runs out with his finishing power.

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  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    Jan 30, 2017 at 12:49 PM

    Comment #3

    A bit late in the window to organise another loan for him!

    So he is probably going to stagnate on the bench for a season good shot stopper for us at times but needs to improve every other aspect of his game!

    Darlow is looking like the best keeper we have at the moment buying Sels pushed him to perform so its worked out well for us!

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  • jayphoto

    Jan 30, 2017 at 12:51 PM

    Comment #4

    If Kruls fit I’d have him back! I know it’s not happening, and Darlows doing alright… but he’s a better keeper than we have currently and all improvements are good! Hell, I’d happily drop Shelvey and Gayle if what came in was better!
    Im surprised no premier league club have came in for Krul! He’s a lot better currently than GK’s at Middlesboro, Swansea, Watford, West Ham, Everton, Bournemouth and Hull! Premier league proven too!

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  • Bobbybee

    Jan 30, 2017 at 12:52 PM

    Comment #5

    One of our most loyal players, shame it’s come to this. Sels or Krul? Don’t even have to think about that one. I reckon he’ll go somewhere and get back to his best personally. He was behind a shocking back four the last season he played and before that won us games single handedly at times. I understand the situation and it’s difficult to solve, it’s just a shame it’s come to this.

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  • Oldgit1

    Jan 30, 2017 at 12:53 PM

    Comment #6

    All the players we are being linked to is doing my head in, esp the ones that starts the headline ” reliable journalist” name one journalist that is reliable. Bullshit.

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  • jayphoto

    Jan 30, 2017 at 12:55 PM

    Comment #7

    That CB link has got to be agent talk! No way the board are sanctioning a CB signing in January when we have 4 fit CBs all on high championship wages.
    January prices are always hiked, Newcastle, rafa or no rafa won’t sign unnecessary January players.
    I’m not entirely sure they’ll spend any money. My bet is its loans or nothing and clubs are waiting to see if better placed clubs come in for their players with money offers before allowing them to drop into the championship on loan at Newcastle!
    Reckon it’ll be a busy deadline day though

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  • giimps

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:02 PM

    Comment #8

    Im not sure Rafa would risk it next season with Arma, i think Gayle and him are similar in the way they play.
    If we started with Gayle flanked by Ritchie and Arma with shelvey supplying the ammo, i think we would be lethal, we would need a proper Kante like Dm and decent wingbacks but i think it would work…..it would be great for us and the lad having him come through and play in the 1st team, i think he could learn a lot from Gayle and it could only benefit us in the long run

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  • lochinvar

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:04 PM

    Comment #9

    Tim Krul has always been a great and passionate player fir Newcastle and only ever wanted to help us win. Sadly he finding ways get the Managers, Coaches of defenders to achieve that.
    He’s given much more to Newcastle than many and has had some bad injuries, some from nasty tackles.
    He deserves to stay with Newcastle instead of others and should be given a chance to play and of coach here depending on his fitness.
    Bit early for a Testimonial but certainly worth one when the time comes.

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  • hibbit

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:04 PM

    Comment #10

    according to the Scotsman newspaper Jozo Simunovic is looking for an improved contract with Celtic

    ……………danger agent at work …………….

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  • Bobbybee

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:06 PM

    Comment #11

    Jay, you’re right mate. Some of our fans think we should get the pick of players, but forget that despite selling out every game, we’re still just a Championship club. When I hear them saying Townsend showed a lack of ambition for wanting to play PL football instead of staying with us it makes me cringe. I love my club and have proved it many times over – especially during the dark years – but you have to be realistic too. No question we’re the biggest club in the Championship, but if a club can loan to a PL club and get him game time, that puts us second choice every time. It hurts, but it’s true.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:13 PM

    Comment #12

    Sorry it took far to long to write to be left behind:

    IMO the team need to review their existing strengths and weaknesses, to build on a good first half season and ensure promotion with their existing players. Assuming that promotion will take place, despite the recent disappointment of a foreshortened cup run, I would summarise as follows:

    Darlow is obviously the starting GK and should improve with the number of games ready for the PL. The others will just have to stay on their toes, in event of an injury.

    Hanley has played himself into a starting place and there is an opportunity to rotate one of the central defenders. I did notice from the highlights that J.Gamez was using his experience to help guide the youngsters but I don’t think that puts him above Yedlin. Although Hanley would struggle to cover the forward thinking RB. Also Haidara needs more games to get back to his peak, which we have never seen, but I don’t think these decisive games are a good time unless as a sub. However Mbemba could be given some games at RB to give him some much needed game time in defense if he is not going to be tried in DCM.

    Colback looked like he was getting up to speed, before these injuries knocked him back. Although not the first on in the rank he is good to rotate with the others. Hayden and Shelvey are definite starters for me and the young lad is improving everytime he plays. I also think Diame should be withdrawn from the attacking role in order to establish the option of four senior players going into the PL next season. I struggle with how much Shelvey has to drop back into CD to get on the ball and work his magic, but it does work so why fix it?

    To me the attack does require more attention as all the players have failed to be consistent and maybe things need reorganising for the benefit of the team. Rafa seems to be loyal to individual players that perform well but often that is only 50% of the front four. For example, Gayle may need to move out wide or Ritchie move inside to accommodate others who need to improve.

    Murphy has been a very willing back up option and although not incredibly gifted, seems to have the knack of being in the right place at the right time. I think he could still do a job I the PL not as the main striker but as a galvanizing figure head, that actually produces results. Gayle reminds me very much of Ferdinand and as a result I think we need a star striker to come in during the summer to lead the line.

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  • Novocastrian66

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:14 PM

    Comment #13

    Tm’s fall from grace has ben rapid. It shows how quickly a players situation can change.

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  • Bobbybee

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:15 PM

    Comment #14

    Gimps, Arma’s a better finisher than Gayle mate. He doesn’t miss many chances. Once he gets his chance with Shelvey feeding him, he’ll take it with both hands. He’ll score goals in any league if the chances are there. I’ve watched him regularly since he was a kid. He even had me going to away Academy games to watch him. Most exciting prospect through our academy since Gazza. His England youth goals have him captain of that side. He’ll get his chance and when he does he’ll score for fun in this team. He’ll thrive off Shelvey with his runs. I can’t wait to see it happen.

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  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:16 PM

    Comment #15

    @Lindisfarne

    Would actually like to see Gayle tried as the wide left forward cutting in on his right foot in a 433 with Murphy CF and Richie RW that would be deadly!

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  • Spoof

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:16 PM

    Comment #16

    Signing that CB from Celtic could make some sense, if Mbemba is allowed to join Palace as part of a swap for Townsend then getting a replacement would make sense, assuming that the transfer fees for Townsend and Mbemba would be of a similar size that would put us in a position where we get a third choice CB replacing a third choice CB and end up getting Townsend back whilst only spending about £5/6m, to me that would be good business.

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  • Lindisfarne

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:16 PM

    Comment #17

    Too bad for Krul, but with his contract running to an end he is in both a bad situation with a good opportunity.

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  • jayphoto

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:17 PM

    Comment #18

    @bobbybee – can see why Townsend went in the summer. Even with Rafa, the turnover of the squad made it impossible to predict this season. Now in January, its easy to see we’re more than likely going up but it wasn’t then!
    My guess is another upheaval after promotion…
    Can’t see players who aren’t nailed on starters now staying as my guess is rafa will look to improve from the top with 1st choice players becoming 2nd choice and 3rd choice players leaving…
    Reckon we’ll see Mbemba, Haidara, Anita (contract) Tiote, Colback, Mitrovic , Gouffran (contract) and maybe perez move on aswell as Atsu not being kept. Wouldn’t shock me to see Sels going either.
    Not sure the club will find a buyer for Saivet and his wages, and I think de jong will get pre season to impress as he’s said he wants to stay and by all accounts apparently he was happy to stay this season and fight it out but rafa wanted him to go and get game time and have a season of getting fit (probably not a fan physically cut out for championship football to be fair)

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  • catchy in norway

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #19

    ID HAVE ARMA BACK AND PLAYING RIGHT NOW

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  • Lindisfarne

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #20

    LCBP

    Something needs to change.

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:23 PM

    Comment #21

    As a matter of curiosity, does Mbemba get a say in the possible loan deal swap. He might not fancy, as someone else suggested, being involved in a relegation battle and who could blame him.

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  • jayphoto

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:24 PM

    Comment #22

    @spoof – my guess is Haidara coming back might play into that as dummett can (and probably is better suited) playing CB.
    Haidara played left CB of a back 3 against Birmingham in the first leg and CB of a back 4 in the replay.. He played there during youth career and at times for Nancy too… Not saying he’s ever going to be first choice there but wouldn’t surprise me if his versatility plays into this as a backup to a back up

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  • Bobbybee

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:27 PM

    Comment #23

    Hibbett, now that makes more sense than him coming here! Agents must think managers are stupid. They pull the same stunt year after year and still expect managers to fall for it.

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  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:27 PM

    Comment #24

    Krul just never progressed unfortunately his kicking was terrible and he would never be able to deal with crosses into the box either! Whether that was from poor coaching, confidence, injuries or personal motivation from him I guess we will never know!

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  • jayphoto

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:27 PM

    Comment #25

    With mbemba, where he plays might play in to it. For Anderlecht he joined as a midfielder and moved back into CB the year before we signed him. For Congo he is a midfielder.
    Allardyce has history in signing CBs to good effect and playing them midfield. Did it well with Kirchoff at S*nderland…
    Depends on if Mbemba sees himself as a cb or a CM really

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  • lochinvar

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:28 PM

    Comment #26

    Just wonder what Escape Clauses Townsend will have if the transfer goes through.

    Presumably one with Newcastle that allows him to leave for a PL club if we fail to get promotion

    Another one that that allows him to leave for another club but not Crystal Palladium irrespective of what League they are in.

    Another that ensure that he never never never has to consider Sunderland.

    Hope he’s got a good agent

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  • JamesToon

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:34 PM

    Comment #27

    Looks like no one is coming in this window, i’d be happy if it was only townsend to come in loan with mbemba going out on loan to palace, that would be good to prepare him for us hopefully to get promoted, and townsend can hopefully recapture form with us.

    Summer will be a much better window if we get promoted, better quality players and will more likely want to come to us.

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  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:34 PM

    Comment #28

    Allardyce does generally like having 5 or 6 centre backs on the pitch at any time for park the bus relegation tactics it worked for Sunderland last season at our expense so I imagine it will work for Palace with the big hoof to Benteke as his attacking tactic! So can see Mbemba being played as the defensive midfielder if he signed for Palace although cant see how it could happen in time with the window closing soon!

    Don’t know why we have never tried him at defensive midfield hes much better on the ball than Colback and is better at tackling as well

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  • giimps

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:34 PM

    Comment #29

    Bobby,
    I have to hold my hands up and say i havent seen Arma play anywhere near as much as you and probably quite a few more, i hope your right , it would be great to see another home grown player along with Dummet , and even Sameobi , i reckon if theyre good enough theyre old enough …..i would say Rafa will be looking at Armas games regularly but if they play hoofball usually he will be mostly ineffective and wont highlight his ability enough…..give him a few games with good supply and he will come good…..theres no better site than a natural goalscorer getting on the end of a throughball and burying it past the keeper……i just hope we see the benefit of his talents sometime soon

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  • Teamstoof

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:35 PM

    Comment #30

    Hi everybody!
    Hope you can help me, I’m a swedish fan and gonna fly over for the Fulham game.
    I read about Stadium tours on the webpage, but there’s no informtaion.
    Have any of you take a stadium tour?
    Is it any good?
    thanks!

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  • jayphoto

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:38 PM

    Comment #31

    The GK situation at Newcastle is interesting! To all intents and purposes Freddie Woodman is probably the long term no.1 in a couple seasons. He’s done lower leagues, now doing the Scottish league! Nearly 20 and in the England u21’s. My guess is next season it’ll be a championship club loan aged 21 followed by Newcastle bench aged 22 which is round about the age a keeper becomes first team ready usually
    Keeping Elliot about is interesting as I can’t see him ever playing, I think the sels experiment might have passed the point of no return, Darlow is never a premier league no.1 either and Kruls out of contract.
    For my money, at premier league level, we currently have 4! keepers at roundabout 2nd choice PL level and then Krul

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  • Spoof

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:40 PM

    Comment #32

    Jay

    Many people mention about Dummett being a CB but for the life of me I don’t know why, he has never said that he see’s CB as being his long term position and apart from John Carver neither has any of his managers, they all seem to rate him highly as a LB, everyone does apart from some of our fans, as for Haidara I have to say that I really don’t rate him at all, for me a poor defender who is always crocked, I have to admit that I know nothing at all about this lad from Celtic but I’d still take a chance on him as our third choice rather than move Dummett and have the hapless Haidara instead, obviously that’s just my view, but as far as Haidara goes could/would any of us be comfortable if he was our first choice LB.

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  • jayphoto

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:44 PM

    Comment #33

    @Giimps- only seen a few Barnsley games, but looked as if they were trying to play some football each time!
    Been surprised how few teams at this level play hoof… so far the only teams really that have from what I’ve seen are Ipswich and Cardiff… (Derby did under pearson too but don’t know)
    For all its reputation, its a lot less hatchet men and long balls and a lot more technical players than its given credit for

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  • lesh

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:47 PM

    Comment #34

    Now Berb, how’s it gannin?

    Krul has his weaknesses but on the whole and rehabilitation permitting, I’d rather keep him as second/ third choice keeper and loan Sels out to a British club for the rest of the season helping him get used to the game as played here.

    You’re pinning a lot of faith in Arma and with a bit of luck, he’ll be a real asset to us next season. As you say, playing with players like Shelvey who can make visionary passes, he can only get better.

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  • jayphoto

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:48 PM

    Comment #35

    @Spoof – think with Dummett it comes from his reserve/youth career. Came through as a CB, and did well in Scotland on loan where he mainly played CB.
    Personally think he’s best suited as a left sided CB in a back 3 (where he played at st Mirren I think) or a defensive full back position. His crossing and attacking is pretty poor but he is a defender than can actually defend! Gets a raw deal too, he’s limited yes but rarely causes mistakes that lead to goal, hes a solid unspectacular player. This season, we look a better side with him than without him. Hopefully Gamez being fit pushes him on further

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  • Toonale tippler

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:52 PM

    Comment #36

    Took the tour 2 years ago. It was good they showed us all round all the areas of the ground, trophy room, press room changing rooms private boxes, pitchside, dugouts, etc. We were lucky because we we’re the only ones on our tour so we had the guide all to ourselves.

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  • Spoof

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:55 PM

    Comment #37

    Jay

    This lad from Celtic, all I know is that he is 6ft 3″ tall, do you know anything about him, is he any good, hard to judge I would expect seeing that Celtic are so dominant, but have you or any one for that matter seen him when under pressure.

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  • Ibizatoon

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:55 PM

    Comment #38

    Jay…What makes you say “Darlow is never a premier league no.1”?

    He had a baptism of fire at the tail end of last season, but imo, came out of it looking pretty decent.

    Checking the stats, he played in the last 8 games (starting 2nd April 2016). He conceded 10 goals in 8 games, but it’s worth noting that 6 came in the first 2 of those games (against Norwich and Southampton). It’s also worth noting that in those 8 games we played Man City, Liverpool and Spurs.

    Not too shabby really.

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  • Bobbybee

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:56 PM

    Comment #39

    I’m well Lesh, hope you are too. Yeah, I know, but having watched him score so many goals from different positions I think my confidence is well placed. Shelvey picking his runs will result in many goals imo.

    G imps,

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  • jayphoto

    Jan 30, 2017 at 1:57 PM

    Comment #40

    Interesting story about McCormack, seen many on here say we should sign him back in the summer…
    Fulham apparently have pulled out of a deal to take him back after senior players called for a meeting with the manager to tell him none of the players wanted him back…

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