What A Points Deduction Could Mean To Newcastle


The Chronicle has done some good research today on what happened when other clubs have got into serious financial problems,  but most of those are when a club has become insolvent (bankrupt) and what usually happens in those cases are there are points deductions.

It’s not clear how quickly this case against Newcastle will move forward with the terrible news this morning the club is accused of some improper transfer dealings we have done in France.

Yes – for all those sub-standard players we have brought in these last few years.

But whether we are found guilty or not, since we were just promoted two days ago – the timing couldn’t have been worse.

Lee Charnley and Mike Ashley
Thumbs up – we just did some incredible transfers in France!
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Could this  possibly impact our promotion?

We suppose a punishment to Newcastle  could be to  disallow the promotion, but maybe a fairer way is to do a points deduction.

Then the next questions becomes how many points and in which season does it come – this season or next season?

If it comes this season then it could become complicated because some decision would need to be made quickly because Newcastle would still likely qualify for the play-offs with points deducted.

Since the law doesn’t move with any kind of speed (other than slow), it seems unlikely the points deduction would be for this season – unless we were allowed in the play offs  – but heaven forbid no – my nerves and most of the rest of me are already shot!

Notice if Chelsea have points deducted  for this season that would be easier, because there are no play-offs in the Premier League.

So if there is a points deduction it seems it would be easier and more practicable to have it for the Premier League next season.

That would even be good for Newcastle and Rafa Benitez,  because Mike Ashley should be motivated to give Rafa whatever he needs to ensure the Spanish manager at least keeps Newcastle in the Premier League next season.

So it seems Rafa’s request for £100M to bring in up to seven players this summer would not be a problem to Ashley in those circumstances.

We just wonder what Rafa’s view of all this is, that’s one big thing worrying us.

It’s simply disgusting the good name of Newcastle United Football Club has been damaged by those running the club from the top.

And since Mike Ashley is the top man he has to take the full responsibility for this – any business leader worth their salt would come out and take that responsibility – and quickly too.

We’ve seen some comments today from fans saying allow Rafa Benitez to take over the club completely – and that’s not a bad idea.

He has full integrity and would never do this kind of stupid, illegal and underhand stuff.

But what a club always needs is a top executive to work hand-in-hand with Rafa to get the transfers through during the transfer window and for other functions the club has to do – such as summer tours and pre-season friendly games – and dare I say it – financial management.

🙁

We just hope Mike Ashley stays out of the way and maybe Rafa can decide which executive he would like to work with at Newcastle.

But Ashley is hardly willing to allow that.

Remember when we were saying recently that not even Mike Ashley could screw this one up.

Wrong again.

And did we ever say it was really hard to support Newcastle United?

The dedicated Newcastle fans have been through hell and high water supporting the club these previous two seasons of nonsense and complete incompetence  – mainly from Managing Director Lee Charnley as it so happens

And then finally when the fans are ecstatic as on Monday night (fans all around the world I may add) and we see the light at the end of the tunnel with a living God in charge of the all football affairs –  this happens.

The club should issue an out-and-out an apology to the dedicated fans and everybody associated with one of the greatest clubs in England  – Newcastle United.

We just have to hope our Premier League status is not affected for next season (even if we get a points deduction) and that Rafa Benitez stays at Newcastle.

You cannot make this stuff up!

I am very concerned about what Rafa Benitez thinks about all of this nonsense.

Comments welcome –  but please keep it clean because of the young fans who read this blog.



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90 comments so far

  • giimps

    Apr 26, 2017 at 4:42 PM

    Comment #1

    Anyone know when penfold took over from owlheed?

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  • Ron Knee

    Apr 26, 2017 at 4:47 PM

    Comment #2

    “Charnley, 39, was appointed as Newcastle managing director in April 2014.”

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  • RUNAWAY777

    Apr 26, 2017 at 4:48 PM

    Comment #3

    What can you say think we all knew something would screw it up for all fan who pay good money to watch our beloved newcastle

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  • Mister Tuff

    Apr 26, 2017 at 4:51 PM

    Comment #4

    Penfold appointed 7th April 2014.

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  • optimistic prime

    Apr 26, 2017 at 4:53 PM

    Comment #5

    Arent we on a sound financial footing, isn’t that the first thing the slug did?

    Sorry Ed but no way Ashley gets his fingers burnt, he’s the Teflon Wrong Un

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  • hibbit

    Apr 26, 2017 at 4:55 PM

    Comment #6

    so how far are they going back ?
    is our ex chairman under arrest ?

    as i said this morning interesting times ahead !!!

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  • Mister Tuff

    Apr 26, 2017 at 4:55 PM

    Comment #7

    Breaking News.

    Mike Ashley has announced the appointment of an interim MD and his deputy.

    http://ashleyout.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Llambias_pardew.jpg

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  • gaz 44

    Apr 26, 2017 at 4:57 PM

    Comment #8

    ITs all speculation at the moment . Don’t get me wrong I recon something’s amiss no smoke without fire and the amount of transfers we did it Frances no doubt someone’s pockets were being lined.
    This will happen in every club, seems strange that as soonas penfold took over Ashley made a statement saying the day to day runnings of the club is nothing to do with him.
    Hopefully nothing comes of it though can’t be doing with it

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  • hibbit

    Apr 26, 2017 at 4:57 PM

    Comment #9

    has Carr done a runner or is he under arrest to ??

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  • one Tony Green

    Apr 26, 2017 at 4:59 PM

    Comment #10

    At the moment these are allegations nothing more. Ashley is not hat stupid. I think this will lead to one agent as Chelsea and West Ham are in the same mess because of French signings..

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  • giimps

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:00 PM

    Comment #11

    Carr last seen with flames coning from the bottom of his zimmer and £50 notes falling out of his nack pocket

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  • giimps

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:04 PM

    Comment #12

    So if this is historical ,surely owlheed will be having his collar felt, although, there was a different financial director at that time…….maybe Penfold has been duped into doing dodgy dealings with the frogs and the financial director has said exit stage left as soon as he found out

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  • Ron Knee

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:05 PM

    Comment #13

    hibbit

    Yes, why is Charnley’s the only name mentioned?

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  • Jib

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:07 PM

    Comment #14

    http://www.maxifoot.fr/football/article-32067.htm

    Marseilles the main culprit but lots of other French clubs being named

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  • chicousa

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:07 PM

    Comment #15

    If Rafa was even thinking about leaving the club, this would be a huge push on his back. Interestingly the club that has been mentioned to be most interested in him is, presto: West Ham!

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  • toon king

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:09 PM

    Comment #16

    The number of times you see stories like this it’s no wonder I don’t follow or comment as much about football now.

    The investigations and arrests made over fifa criminal activity is where this all started. Police and investigations teams have been on high alert ever since. What used to be a joyful passionate sport has turned into a sport full of corruption where money means everything.

    It’s simply disgusting that the good name of Newcastle United has been damaged by those running the club from the top.

    Make that: It’s simply disgusting that a globle sport like football has been damaged by those greedy employers and it’s extrermely greedy owner.

    Football is no longer a sport it’s a physical buissness

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  • Ben Afri

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:14 PM

    Comment #17

    Mister Tuff

    Hahaha. Very funny!!!

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  • Ron Knee

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:16 PM

    Comment #18

    Apparently, still no statement from the club.

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  • Ben Afri

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:17 PM

    Comment #19

    Does anyone know for sure the club will be affected in terms of either relegation or a reduction of points? I know that when Juventus went down, it was as punishment for match fixing.

    So if the club is found guilty, does anyone here certain that we’d be punished that way, or would the individual perpetrators be penalised?

    I don’t want to jump to any conclusions until we know all the facts.

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  • Toondog2

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:17 PM

    Comment #20

    Surely you can’t have points deducted before any proper and legal conclusion of the whole rather complicated business .
    There will be a correct and proper way forward for all parties involved so conjecture as to what might or might not happen is far too premature to get too depressed about at this stage.
    Let the legal process follow its correct course and let the footballing recruitment business for next season progress and back Rafa in sorting out what he requires to compete in the EPL.
    Can’t help but worry though?

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  • Jib

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:21 PM

    Comment #21

    Ha ha ha
    If you type “fraude fiscale” (tax fraud) into French search engines – as well as NUFC you also get lots of links to the 2 Presidential candidates
    😀

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  • manxpie

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:21 PM

    Comment #22

    Chiek tiote has gone into hiding with his 7 wives 15 driving licences and 6 passports he was last seen wearing an arsenal shirt!

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  • hibbit

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:22 PM

    Comment #23

    Ron Knee @ 13
    just seems a bit odd to me the press are saying anything from 7 to numerous suspects have been arrested but only one name has been given or leaked which in the scheme of things seems mighty odd/unfair when others are allowed to keep their anonymity

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  • ilovetoon8788

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:27 PM

    Comment #24

    We all have suspected long ago our business in France especially from the company that represented the players. All thauvin rivierre cabella were all from the same company. Can’t remember the name.

    Suspected something amiss. That idiot Carr should also be arrested.

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  • Jib

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:27 PM

    Comment #25

    Ben Afri

    The easiest way to explain it is the other news item today.

    An employee of Burnley has been found guilty of contravention of FA rules.

    Joey Barton is banned for 18months

    Is there any question of Burnley being punished ?

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  • hibbit

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:29 PM

    Comment #26

    ilovetoon8788
    maybe he has been !!!!

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  • Thump

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:29 PM

    Comment #27

    @ilovetoon: Mondial Sports, yeah. I remember us all talking about how all of our French transfers were on their books and we even made the odd quip about Carr and Penfold taking the odd bung. Well, as it turns out…

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  • Ben Afri

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:32 PM

    Comment #28

    Jib

    Fair point and good analogy. Thanks mate

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  • Jib

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:32 PM

    Comment #29

    ilovetoon8788

    Mondial

    Nice theory

    Unfortunately Thauvin and Payet don’t have agents

    Think again

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  • Ron Knee

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:33 PM

    Comment #30

    hibbit

    Yes, why should one person be singled out like this?

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  • Jib

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:34 PM

    Comment #31

    I’m just wondering if some of the un-named arrested employees of the various clubs could actually be players !

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  • Thump

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:36 PM

    Comment #32

    @Jib: I know, the Express, but it’s either that or the Mag. Either way, hit CTRL and F and search for Thauvin and Payet.

    Whether they’re on the books now or not is beyond the point.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:38 PM

    Comment #33

    Jib – you surely cannot draw any parallels to what Barton did and what NUFC are being investigated for.
    You are the blog equivalent to TV’s Tim Nice.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1f8UOWF4RY

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  • toonluvva

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:40 PM

    Comment #34

    I believe it is standard practice to arrest people involved in criminal enquiries as it allows the police, or in this case, HMRC to ask them questions under caution.

    But first the whole case has to progress further. There is always be a chance that following investigation we MIGHT be cleared.

    As far as I can tell no charges have been made at this moment, and until they have, everything is up in the air.

    Remember there can be no punishment, be it a fine, points deduction, imprisonment etc until AFTER a trial and a guilty verdict.

    My question is how much does Mr Ashley know about this? Also will he try to to wriggle out of everything and leave others to face the consequences.

    It may be quite a while before we gain any answers.

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  • hibbit

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:46 PM

    Comment #35

    toonluvva

    re/ Ashley
    that of course is presuming we are guilty of any crime ???

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  • Ben Afri

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:46 PM

    Comment #36

    Jib @ 31

    I think that if some of the employees do involve players and it does have something to do with transfer dealings, then it might be their agents who were directly involved and not the players.

    Then again, my knowledge of commercial law is dire. I had to read the Sam Allardice scandle over 5 times before I understood exactly what he did that was illegal.

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  • Mister Tuff

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:47 PM

    Comment #37

    Jib – Payet and Thauvin – do not have agents!!!!

    What a load of tosh.
    Payets agent = Jacques Olivier Auguste

    Thauvins agent = Fabrizio Ferrari

    Have you not got any colouring books you can get on with.

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  • Ron Knee

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:49 PM

    Comment #38

    How long can HMRC hold somebody before charging them? Anybody know?

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  • GeordieTwo

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:49 PM

    Comment #39

    We had better wait until the smoke clears on this one. I always thought Charnley was in over his head. Not smart enough for the position he’s in. Typical Ashley bollocks hiring him in the first place. As for the club it’s far too soon to tell what the repercussions might be.

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  • wynsleap

    Apr 26, 2017 at 5:52 PM

    Comment #40

    For what it’s worth the Guardian is running a story saying we could be bought out imminently by ‘interested parties’ and names Qatar as the most likely.
    What was Charnley doing for so long in China recently?This club will NEVER be respectable and trouble free until we get rid of Ashley and his dubious cohorts.
    Come on Shearer – get your contacts sorted out and get this club back to where it should be. Quite frankly I’d happily take staying for another season in this lousy Championship if it meant we had a new caring and honest regime.
    Think the fans should let Ashley REALLY know what they think of him and his cronies in the last game of the season.
    Certain fans in the country wouldn’t stand for the crap we have to put up with, from this shower of s””t.

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