Very Promising Local Youngster May Fail To Make It At Newcastle


Newcastle United manager Rafa Benitez will have 20 year-old local striker Adam Armstrong back for pre-season training, but it doesn’t look like Adam is ready to fight for a first team place next season at Newcastle.

Since we play Barnsley in our last game on Sunday afternoon and Adam is ineligible his loan move is now over at the Tykes.

Adam will try to convince manager Rafa Benitez in pre-season to include him in the squad, as he did last year when he was  loaned out to Barnsley for what turned out to be the full season.

Adam Armstrong while on loan at Barnsley

Adam did extremely well last season when he was on loan at League One club Coventry where he scored an impressive 20 goals in 40 total appearances for the Sky Blues.

But this season in a step up in class he was able to notch only 6 goals in 35 appearances for the Tykes and that has to be a disappointing return for one we have very high hopes for.

It’s likely he will be loaned out to another Championship club for next season, but it looks like Barnsley may not be interested in taking him back.

The Mag today looked at various comments from Barnsley fans about Armstrong and some of them were not complimentary and some even said he was lazy and one said he was a waste of space.

Of course you can always find negative comments as well as positive ones, but the genuine surprise was that most were not too positive.

The question becomes whether Adam will go the way of some of our other very promising local lads like Adam Campbell and not make it at his home town club.

We are hoping that’s not the case but we do think it will be difficult for Adam to make the Newcastle first team squad for next season unless of course he is outstanding in pre-season.

That would be good.

He is now 20 years old and time to make his breakthrough at Newcastle United.

Here’s a poll we issued on April 19th.

Will Adam Armstrong Make It At Newcastle?

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50 comments so far

  • Mister Tuff

    May 4, 2017 at 12:52 PM

    Comment #1

    He’s going to have to go out on loan again.
    Has not done enough this season.
    Vociferous armchair assessments will not swing it for him.

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  • WWSBRD

    May 4, 2017 at 12:56 PM

    Comment #2

    Surely he will get pre season before decisions are made?

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  • TyneMouth

    May 4, 2017 at 12:57 PM

    Comment #3

    Last Summer, Rafa sold, or released, about 14 players. Four of which, Gini, Sulko, Andros, and a lazy right-back, for a total of about £75m, and reduced the wage bill considerably.

    Rafa spent that cash on the nucleus of a squad designed to gain promotion to the Championship, and the strategy was successful

    Realistically, Rafa has to be as ruthless this close season. Of the players who Rafa bought a year ago, with the intention to succeed in the Championship, Richie, Hayden, Clark and Yedlin will progress to the new Premiership squad.

    Gayle has enjoyed a good season in the Championship, at least when he has been available, his fitness and fragility are a concern, it is true he will be better protected by the refs in the EPL, but his injuries weren’t because of fouling, or over vigorous tackling, but through his own exertions. His future at the club is dependent on the prognosis by the medical staff.

    Although a substantial number of squad members, ‘end of contract’ ‘past their sell-by date’ or simply ‘dead-wood’, left the club last Summer, Rafa will have to be even more surgical this time.

    A reasonable number of this year’s squad, who have contributed to the first team’s success, will have enhanced their reputations, and will be attractive to next year’s wannabee promotion contenders. Good luck Hanley, Murphy and Gouffran.

    Looking forward to Rafa’s recruitment safari; He will generate a reasonable amount of money through sales and the profit from last year’s transfer activities. If Rafa decides to sell any, or all, of Gayle, Perez or Mitro, (£40m+perhaps?) then he could have a reasonably handsome war-chest.

    There would appear reasonable grounds for optimism regarding possible transfer funding. No doubt some/most of the cash generated by past and future sales of players leaving the club, will not be received immediately, however.

    Should it be the case that a transfer fund of about £100m, the question is how do you invest it?

    Do you bring in 7/8 players @£10 to £15m each, or 3 or 4 @ £20m/£30m each?

    If we are to try and compete with the top EPL clubs, we have to match their ambitions and methodology. Chelsea will probably only buy 2/3 marquee players this Summer, (probably re-stack the Academy squad however, future monies to be made there, I’m nodding to you Michael Ashley…)

    If Rafa was to sign 3 or 4 top class players this Summer, it will be easier to integrate into the team. We have a very Happy, United dressing-room at present, probably as unified as the Nolan/Harper gang of seven years ago. Don’t lose it, it’s hard to build.

    Four positions where we need top class Signings;
    Assuming a three man backline, in front of them a modern number five, part defensive enforcer, part deep-lying playmaker, a Jonathan Woodgate type, perhaps.

    Dummett can look back on this season with pride, he is our best defender, but he has limitations as a creative attacker. However there should be a place for him in a back three format. We desperately need a top class wing back.

    The mid-field for next season will benefit with the addition of a ‘Cante’ type defensive mid-fielders, (no sh”” sherlock!) so could all the other Premiership sides, except Chelsea.

    We need a top class number 10, we have the blueprint, it’s name is Beardsley, go find!

    Finally, and inevitably, a number 9. Mitro has a wonderful heart, but hearts don’t kick or head goals, however give me a Mitro to a Sulko any day. Sorry, but thank you, and good luck.

    Any one of those positions could be our next Captain. Lascelles has been OK, but only just OK. We need a voice, or for that matter, many voices! At its best SJP in not the Emirates. (thank god) it’s very noisy, so we need a leader(s) on the pitch who can be heard. Something for the training ground, make them wear ear plugs so they have to shout! perhaps.

    Roll on Sunday… HWTL…

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  • TyneMouth

    May 4, 2017 at 1:02 PM

    Comment #4

    From a previous post, edited…

    Last Summer, Rafa sold, or released, about 14 players. Four of which, Gini, Sulko, Andros, and a lazy right-back, for a total of about £75m, and reduced the wage bill considerably.

    Rafa spent that cash on the nucleus of a squad designed to gain promotion to the Championship, and the strategy was successful

    Realistically, Rafa has to be as ruthless this close season. Of the players who Rafa bought a year ago, with the intention to succeed in the Championship, Richie, Hayden, Clark and Yedlin will progress to the new Premiership squad.

    Gayle has enjoyed a good season in the Championship, at least when he has been available, his fitness and fragility are a concern, it is true he will be better protected by the refs in the EPL, but his injuries weren’t because of fouling, or over vigorous tackling, but through his own exertions. His future at the club is dependent on the prognosis by the medical staff.

    Although a substantial number of squad members, ‘end of contract’ ‘past their sell-by date’ or simply ‘dead-wood’, left the club last Summer, Rafa will have to be even more surgical this time.

    A reasonable number of this year’s squad, who have contributed to the first team’s success, will have enhanced their reputations, and will be attractive to next year’s wannabee promotion contenders. Good luck Hanley, Murphy and Gouffran.

    Looking forward to Rafa’s recruitment safari; He will generate a reasonable amount of money through sales and the profit from last year’s transfer activities. If Rafa decides to sell any, or all, of Gayle, Perez or Mitro, (£40m+perhaps?) then he could have a reasonably handsome war-chest.

    There would appear reasonable grounds for optimism regarding possible transfer funding. No doubt some/most of the cash generated by past and future sales of players leaving the club, will not be received immediately, however.

    Should it be the case that a transfer fund of about £100m, the question is how do you invest it?

    Do you bring in 7/8 players @£10 to £15m each, or 3 or 4 @ £20m/£30m each?

    If we are to try and compete with the top EPL clubs, we have to match their ambitions and methodology. Chelsea will probably only buy 2/3 marquee players this Summer, (probably re-stack the Academy squad however, future monies to be made there, I’m nodding to you Michael Ashley…)

    If Rafa was to sign 3 or 4 top class players this Summer, it will be easier to integrate into the team. We have a very Happy, United dressing-room at present, probably as unified as the Nolan/Harper gang of seven years ago. Don’t lose it, it’s hard to build.

    Four positions where we need top class Signings;
    Assuming a three man backline, in front of them a modern number five, part defensive enforcer, part deep-lying playmaker, a Jonathan Woodgate type, perhaps.

    Dummett can look back on this season with pride, he is our best defender, but he has limitations as a creative attacker. However there should be a place for him in a back three format. We desperately need a top class wing back.

    The mid-field for next season will benefit with the addition of a ‘Cante’ type defensive mid-fielders, (no sh”” sherlock!) so could all the other Premiership sides, except Chelsea.

    We need a top class number 10, we have the blueprint, it’s name is Beardsley, go find!

    Finally, and inevitably, a number 9. Mitro has a wonderful heart, but hearts don’t kick or head goals, however give me a Mitro to a Sulko any day. Sorry, but thank you, and good luck.

    Any one of those positions could be our next Captain. Lascelles has been OK, but only just OK. We need a voice, or for that matter, many voices! At its best SJP in not the Emirates. (thank god) it’s very noisy, so we need a leader(s) on the pitch who can be heard. Something for the training ground, make them wear ear plugs so they have to shout! perhaps.

    Roll on Sunday… HWTL…

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  • Hail Wor Ashley

    May 4, 2017 at 1:04 PM

    Comment #5

    1st half of season everything going as planned. Looked to be the difference maker for an ordinary Barnsley side, 2nd half of the season he went missing.

    Loan him out again. Many of the Barnsley fans question his determination to succeed. Rafa might need to have a word and then find him a suitable loan, only problem is I think his stock will have dropped. Seemed a bit of a coup for Barnsley to get him last summer when many thought he could’ve been at a promotion chasing team.

    So will end up in a catch 22. Needs to play with better players in a system that suits him, but he hasn’t done enough to attract such a team, certainly not to start for one anyway.

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  • hibbit

    May 4, 2017 at 1:05 PM

    Comment #6

    nothing will be decided till Rafa knows who he’s got
    if Rafa gets his transfer targets he may go out on loan he may even be sold
    but whatever Rafa decides it will only happen when Rafa’s good and ready

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  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    May 4, 2017 at 1:07 PM

    Comment #7

    @Hail

    If the SPL wasn’t such a diddy league it would be great to see him on loan at Celtic when they sell Dembele as they play some dynamite attacking football under Rodgers!

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  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    May 4, 2017 at 1:08 PM

    Comment #8

    @WWSBRD

    What if we could get Delph , Ramsey and Mccarthy in this window? That would be some statement of intent 🙂

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  • Jail for Ashley

    May 4, 2017 at 1:09 PM

    Comment #9

    So Rafa thought the 31 year old Gamez was a classy attacking wing back rather than a dependable bench player who would come in and do a job when asked mmmm! Señor Rafa needs to do his homework.

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  • Jib

    May 4, 2017 at 1:19 PM

    Comment #10
  • barkel

    May 4, 2017 at 1:19 PM

    Comment #11

    LCBP

    Would that be a statement of intent or a statement that we like to keep our medical team busy? Might manage 38 games between the 3 of them

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  • hibbit

    May 4, 2017 at 1:21 PM

    Comment #12

    just a thought is Gamez being lined up for a coaching job or taking his badges ??
    he’s spending a lot of time at under 23 games with Beardsley !!

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  • clinath@ed

    May 4, 2017 at 1:27 PM

    Comment #13

    I think it’s a dangerous practice to bring in more than 5 players in one window (if they are expected to be starters). Getting them to blend together in a month ore so, then perform under the pressure of a EPL season is too risky.

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  • LewSpi v2.0

    May 4, 2017 at 1:31 PM

    Comment #14

    Absolute madness if Adam Armstrong isn’t kept with the newcastle squad this season. If he’s good enough, he’s old enough. He’s just 10 months younger than Deli Alli. Im not suggesting he’s on Alli’s level, but his stats, for the national team at least, are better than Alli’s. Dele didn’t score a single goal for the England youth teams, at any level, Adam has 28! Yes, different position, but Alli is a goal scoring midfielder.

    Keep him in the squad and use him as a second half sub, bring him on and give him experience in the league he will 100% end up in and let us not rue loaning him out every season.

    Get him in the mix Rafa.

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  • Jib

    May 4, 2017 at 1:32 PM

    Comment #15
  • Jail for Ashley

    May 4, 2017 at 1:33 PM

    Comment #16

    Jibberish,
    That was seven years ago,when he was 24, he is now a dependable utility player happy to sit on the bench.

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  • lesh

    May 4, 2017 at 1:35 PM

    Comment #17

    Bobby

    Maybe folk don’t expect such frivolity from you, hence the likes of me missing your smilies. 😉

    As your going to Edinburgh, do you think you could call in to the Talisker distillery and collect a pre-ordered box for me. Skye’s in Scotland so it can’t be far off Edinburgh. I’ll pay you for the extra petrol and the half our it’ll add to your journey. You should be back home for tea-time. 😀

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  • Jib

    May 4, 2017 at 1:37 PM

    Comment #18

    By the way Gamez was 32 last month

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  • Mister Tuff

    May 4, 2017 at 1:39 PM

    Comment #19

    Transfermarket current values.
    Armstrong = £1.28 million
    Deli Alli = £34 million.

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  • posada

    May 4, 2017 at 1:42 PM

    Comment #20

    It’s strange how some players are not world beaters up to say 19, but then suddenly emerge.
    Others are the best of their generation to U19, but then don’t make the transition to senior level.
    Not sure anybody really understands it.
    If Arma is going to make it I think he should stay with us for next season.

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  • LewSpi v2.0

    May 4, 2017 at 1:44 PM

    Comment #21

    Tuff

    Again, I’ll reinstate, “I’m not suggesting he’s on Alli’s level”. Yeah obviously he’s valued more, the mans been TRUSTED and has torn the premier league up for the last 2 years.

    When has Adam Armstrong been given a decent shot and been trusted at premiership level? May I add that Alli hadn’t exactly set the world alight in the LEAGUE 1 either before being given a shot at spurs.

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  • ToonRich

    May 4, 2017 at 1:47 PM

    Comment #22

    Arma would suit a team like Sheff Utd I think…

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  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    May 4, 2017 at 1:48 PM

    Comment #23

    I think this loan will have been good for Armstrong though he will have learned a lot maybe once Rafa has a look at him he may decide to keep him especially if we are going to continue rotating players etc

    Useful little player to bring off the bench especially as games against us will be more open this season I doubt we will come against many teams parking the bus against us

    Guess we will see very soon if we keep him or loan him out

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  • LewSpi v2.0

    May 4, 2017 at 1:50 PM

    Comment #24

    The daft thing is I actually think he’d suit a Rafa team. Plays off the shoulder and runs in the channels. Poaches in the box. Mental to loan him. I’m ranting. Time for a break.

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  • posada

    May 4, 2017 at 1:50 PM

    Comment #25

    Is it about styles.
    does Arma fit into a particular position.
    Not a loan striker, not a winger.
    Well he would have a position in a 4/4/2 with a suitable strike partner.
    Thing is we don’t play that way and not many in the prem do.

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  • Bobbybee

    May 4, 2017 at 1:53 PM

    Comment #26

    Tuff, you really must love getting the piss ripped out of you. Armchair? From someone who lives in the area and can’t be bothered going to games, then fantasises about running around the country checking up on our players on loan? You’re a fool man. You have never rated Arma – but then never seen him either – so to try and convince anybody you bothered to go watch ONE PLAYER at various clubs, whilst not bothering to crow about it at the time is risible. If you’d been anywhere near a ground you wouldn’t shut up for weeks. The majority of your posts on here are digging at other people or bragging. You truly are an absolute clown. What grown man has to make up a life to try and impress people he doesn’t know and will never meet? You, of all people, have no right to use armchair fan as an insult. Without an armchair you would never see a game. The mind boggles that somebody of your age has to resort to fantasy to try and impress people who I guarantee, are not impressed. Armchair. What a clow

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  • Jib

    May 4, 2017 at 1:55 PM

    Comment #27

    n

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  • U.S Magpie

    May 4, 2017 at 2:01 PM

    Comment #28

    I don’t think we can compare how many goals he scored for Barnsley last year. Questions have to be raised, did he get the service he needed to score goals? It seems like he get the right service the national team. I would go with half a season out on loan in the championship, maybe with one the teams that didn’t make it in the play offs, this would at least be a step up and Rafa could see how he handles it. Maybe after half a season he might be banging in the goals and Rafa will bring him back, if not he has the second half of the season to prove himself. Another thing to take into account, may be one of the teams that get demoted, we have been linked with players at both Swansea and Hull, maybe Rafa is waiting to offer Arma as a option for getting in a player with him going to them on loan. Options, options, One player I would like Rafa to go after would be Vardy, I think he and Gayle up front would scare the shite out of Premier defenses especially with there pace.

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  • Rotonda heights

    May 4, 2017 at 2:06 PM

    Comment #29

    Tyne – mouth

    Do you think if you put the same war and peace effort out 3 times people will read it more. Less is definitely a case of more here. Make Key bullet points bonny lad. Some of us have a very short attention span or are just ancient.

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  • Bobbybee

    May 4, 2017 at 2:09 PM

    Comment #30

    What can’t be denied is that Arma is the best prospect we’ve had in years – from somebody who has watched his progress in the real world. Anybody writing the kid off without a chance to prove himself is unfair to him. His England youth record is phenomenal – between a goal every game and one every two.
    Barnsley never suited him. From what I’ve seen of him on loan he cut a frustrated figure, with run after run being ignored in preference for the big boot. He’s a Gayle like striker, not a Mitrovic.
    With respect to Ed, he’s never seen the kid play really so isn’t in a position to judge. Those of us who have watched him grow through the academy are generally of the opinion that he is the best we’ve had for a long time. Tuff’s dislike for him is sadly and hilariously based on the fact I’ve been singing his praises since first coming on here, when in fairness, very few knew he existed. He’s one of our own, better than buying players who use is as a stepping stone and more likely to score goals. This is one young star we should not allow to slip through our fingers.

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  • Mister Tuff

    May 4, 2017 at 2:09 PM

    Comment #31

    Hahahahaha – I just knew the abuse was coming -and based on invention.
    Giving an honest opinion which differs from super supporter – the abuse follows -every time.

    You are clearly jealous as you have not seen Armstrong play live for a couple of years.

    I’ve included a link below with a recent image of Armstrong – as you have not seen him for such a long time you might not recognise him

    http://www.themag.co.uk/assets/adam-armstrong-barnsley-in-action-close-up-newcastle-united-650×400.jpg

    Comedy gold. Keep it coming.

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  • JamesToon

    May 4, 2017 at 2:09 PM

    Comment #32

    We’ve been linked with that Sandro Ramirez again. 13 goals 2 assists in 25 apps this season

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  • Bobbybee

    May 4, 2017 at 2:14 PM

    Comment #33

    Lesh, back from my drive to Edinburgh before I got your message mate. Sorry. 🙂

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  • Bobbybee

    May 4, 2017 at 2:22 PM

    Comment #34

    Tuff, come on then supers out. Off the top of your head, which games did you go to and watch a player you don’t rate? Without the use of Google to remind yourself who plays in what league, give us three games you watched Arma play in.
    You are such and idiot. How can I go watch Arma play when I’m a Newcastle fan, watching Newcastle play? Both teams play on the same day you spanner. Difficult to get your head around is it? You are a fool of the highest order. Let me think. Would I rather watch Newcastle play, or Coventry and Barnsley? Tough choice like. Left me check what my season ticket says. Mmm, Newcastle United. Yup, that’s what games I’ll go to then. You, on the other hand, I guarantee haven’t seen any of the above mentioned teams play live. You clearly live in your own little world where this blog is the closest you ever get to football. Get a life pal. A real one, not a fantasy one.

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  • martoon

    May 4, 2017 at 2:28 PM

    Comment #35

    I have to say looking at comments from Barnsley fans is not an exact benchmark on a player. Look at the stick some players get on here – we probably wouldn’t have any players left if we sold all the ones on some people’s lists. He is a talent so I definitely think it’s worth giving Arma a chance next season – if it’s not working out by Christmas he can always go out on loan in the January window.

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  • Bobbybee

    May 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM

    Comment #36

    How is a reality check abuse anyway? You tell lies, you get called a liar. That’s not abuse. Clown? That’s a compliment under the circumstances. I’m not being abusive, I’m simply laughing at how pathetic you are. You spend more time attacking people for usually unfounded reasons, why should you not be attacked for being a loser? You are a loser. Only a loser would invent a life to try and impress strangers. Do you think i’ m the only one laughing at you? Do you actually think anybody believes a man who can’t be bothered travelling a few miles to watch the team he supports, bothers to go out of his way to watch a player on loan? If you do, you’re more deluded than I ever thought. Nobody does. Grow up man child. Anyway, said my bit. I’m already bored. But, before I go, without Google NG, give us three games you attended involving Arma. Now, straight off the bat.

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  • Mister Tuff

    May 4, 2017 at 2:37 PM

    Comment #37

    Bobbybee – as you are the one dishing out the about, inventing stuff, calling people liars why don’t you show us all where I have posted that I do not rate Armstrong – you can’t because you just make stuff up to justify in your own mind your abusive retorts.
    You posted on the Mag site previously and were giving it large about Wally Brolly now suddenly you support Rafa. You’ve changed horses more times than Lester Piggott.

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2a/f9/f2/2af9f216818ff83486a5e5d1f316cf50.jpg

    Hahahahaha – Comedy gold – keep it coming.

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  • Mister Tuff

    May 4, 2017 at 2:41 PM

    Comment #38

    Hahahaha – off for a nap in his comfy armchair.

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  • Bobbybee

    May 4, 2017 at 2:41 PM

    Comment #39

    Mart, I find it sickening how so many of our fans are happy to turn on players we bring through. I’m not the only one who’s sang his praises, everyone who watched him come through the youth system has. Not just here either. The England set up rate him very highly. Why this rush to judgement on such a promising player? He’s just turned twenty ffs. He wants to be here. I get Tuff’s stance, it:s just a childish dig at me and his opinion means zilch. He wouldn’t know a good footballer if he bit him. We need to support our youth players, not knock them like some, most of whom haven’t seen him play ffs. He might not make it. Nothing’s guaranteed in football, but they should be prepared to give him a chance before writing him off at his age. Rather pay millions for a flop than give the kids a chance.

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  • WWSBRD

    May 4, 2017 at 2:43 PM

    Comment #40

    I mean I get in disagreements on here sometimes I even get caught up in it but u guys…u guys are on another level

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