Benitez Reveals Plans For Each Goalkeeper – Woodman In Limbo?


Rafa Benitez has been talking about his goalkeepers, and he has individual plans for each one of them.

Rob Elliot is number one, but the manager is still trying to bring in an experienced stopper to challenge Rob for the starting position at the club.

It’s a surprise that Karl Darlow is still available for transfer after he played so well for us last season in the Championship, and seems to be a goalkeeper improving all the time at Newcastle.

Rafa has indicated he will let Woodman go out on loan but only in January, and Woodman himself seems to want a season long loan so he can get as many first team games as possible.

Freddie Woodman – a great prospect at Newcastle

This is what the manager has said about his goalkeepers:

“I was explaining to our three keepers the situations. Rob knows he must compete to be number one. Darlow: he knew we were open for offers and at the moment.”

“He knows he must stay and fight to do his best to compete.”

“Freddie is more difficult. We don’t want to lose Freddie. He is a goalkeeper with great potential. A good ‘keeper, still a young ‘keeper with great potential.”

“The idea is to protect us as a club and make sure he progresses, to keep him until January and then he can go on loan.”

“He can play with the U23s and stay with the first team and work with the first team ‘keepers every day.”

“Then we are covered if we have any problems because he has the quality to play in the first team.”

“Personally he thinks he would like to play because he wants the experience. I told him he can play with the U23s and we don’t want to lose him.”

“We have decided that he will stay with us and can go on loan in January if he needs more experience.”

“In the meantime we are looking for a goalkeeper with more experience to compete against them. After that we must decide what to do with our goalkeepers.” 

While Rafa wants to bring in a new goalkeeper, it seems strange that he would keep Woodman at the club until January rather than send him out on loan for the season.

Maybe that will only happen if Rafa cannot bring in a third goalkeeper in the next 11 days – that would seem to make more sense.

Also if we bring in a third goalkeeper but also sell Darlow – we would need Freddie to stay to be the third goalie in that case too.

It seems a little complicated with our goalkeepers at the moment with only 11 days left in the transfer window.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.



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105 comments so far

  • Ron Knee

    Aug 20, 2017 at 8:44 AM

    Comment #1

    “Benitez would have loved to take Pepe Reina from Napoli, where he is embroiled in a political situation with the club president, but the player is on a big contract and wants to play Champions League football. Reina is a dressing room leader, on-field lieutenant and a perfect conduit for the manager too. Benitez wants someone similar, with experience, to add another element to his squad.” (Chronicle)

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  • Bobbybee

    Aug 20, 2017 at 8:46 AM

    Comment #2

    There was nothing wrong with Ed’s earlier post at all. You can loan four players – might even be five, as Rangers borrowed five off us – but only two over the age of 23 at a time.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #3

    Morning Ron…

    I like Rafa, but I think he has screwed up on the GK front!

    How I read the interview is that we will not get a new GK before January the earliest and if so Woodman will go out on loan…

    They have to ship both Krul and Darlow (disagree on the latter) to bring in another GK…which everyone knows.

    And will happen if they cannot do that and Elliott gets injured. Then a GK who’s not wanted has to step in…

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  • ToonTime

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:01 AM

    Comment #4

    Bobbydee: That is true for the football league but the premier league allow four loans in total but only allow one loan from the same team.

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  • Bobbybee

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:05 AM

    Comment #5

    http://www.google.co.uk Not according to this. 🙂

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  • lochinvar

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:08 AM

    Comment #6

    Rafa’s understanding of Ashley’s and the club’s position regarding transfer funds is actually commendable.
    Clearly the so called big six clubs and their counterparts in France,Spain, Germany and Italy appear on the face of it to be operating a sort of cartel type arrangement and that FIFA’s rules on Financial Fair Play are no more than a smokescreen that allows this to happen with players and wages to be traded at an extraordinary level that excludes other clubs and only supports their self interests. I give you and the numbers are now stratospheric:

    Manchester City are ready to pay Arsenal £70m for their 28-year-old forward Alexis Sanchez. (Mirror). City will offer Sanchez a contract worth £400,000 a week. (Sun)

    Barcelona have told Liverpool they have until Sunday to accept their £118m bid for 25-year-old attacking midfielder Philippe Coutinho, or the offer will be withdrawn. (Times)
    Barca will improve their bid for Coutinho to £130m, although they will have to offer more than a guaranteed £80m before add-ons to tempt Liverpool, who value the player at £140m. (Express)

    Liverpool’s hopes of signing Southampton defender Virgil van Dijk, 26, could be thwarted by Juventus.(Gazzetta) , which can only be aimed at driving his price up in the knowledge that Liverpool will hit the jackpot when they sell Coutinho.

    Paris St-Germain have finally reached agreement with Monaco over the 200m euro (£182m) signing of their 18-year-old striker Kylian Mbappe. (Mundo) – read that again, £182million for an 18year old.

    Manchester United, Arsenal and Liverpool are all interested in signing 23-year-old winger Julian Draxler from Paris St-Germain.(Mirror) and for how much one asks ?

    It’s out of control. This sort of money would feed Africa.

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  • cyprus

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:13 AM

    Comment #8

    Dubai
    Guess I’m hedging my bets, yes 🙂

    I really have no idea how we’ll play.

    Do you? 😉

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  • ToonTime

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:15 AM

    Comment #9

    Not sure The Sun would be a reliable reference point for anything but bra cup size but I can’t find where it says how many loans are allowed from one club.

    I would take a look at the Premier League website on the subject where it makes it pretty clear under the sub-heading Loans. https://www.premierleague.com/news/60177

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  • Ron Knee

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:16 AM

    Comment #10

    Morning jesper

    Would you have kept Krul? I wouldn’t.

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  • catchy in norway

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #11

    lochinvar

    WELL PUT MY FRIEND

    I was saying the same sort of thing the other day, and i new i liked Rafa before, but actually, this transfer window has seen a greater appreciation of the man, He has a great understanding of the current situation, which is a world situation, he is looking at the bigger picture.

    the bubble of which the prem operates in is not normal and like you say only a handful of clubs operate in it outside the prem.

    FIFA needs to get hold of this crazy situation, but wont because of kickbacks.

    good coaches will always rise to the top, they do it because they are intelligent, and understand what is needed to do the job.

    IMO football is worse off because off coaching badges, to many coaches now would have been weeded out a long time ago, they all use the same learning books instead of using a brain to figure things out, the top coaches like rafa innovate, and the majority try to replicate without success.

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  • cyprus

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:33 AM

    Comment #12

    ”Our fans are saying ‘Rafa is talking about keepers but we need another striker’ but we know our job”, says Rafa. Rafa, you read this blog you fox 😉 So here goes:

    Hope the keepers are happy with the not good enough role. Colback and a couple others must be very upset and mitro can’t be that dumb not to realize he’s not rated.

    Rafa, you need to sign some people. Who’ll get us the results. We’re ‘trained’ now, we expect no more than not being relegated.

    You know results do all the talking. Get us victories, you are god. Simple.

    If you think what we have is good enough, well you know best. Hope you’re right, for your sake and the club’s.

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  • catchy in norway

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:43 AM

    Comment #13

    Woodman

    hmm Krul is out but i do rate him.

    Darlow, ok keeper but not premiership quality,

    Elliot, not prem quality either. its strange because i see him as slightly better than Darlow, IMO both suffer from the same problem, they seem to suffer from low self esteem which affect their confidence, they dont have presence Elliot is 6ft4 or 5 yet seems tiny in the goal, this is going to sound strange but in goal you really have to have this real ALFA male attitude, boss people intimated them, i never get that feeling from them 2.

    Woodman needs a alfa male GK to learn from at our club, he will develope into a very good keeper

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  • Bobbybee

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:45 AM

    Comment #14

    Toon Time, it gets more confusing! Just downloaded the rules in their entirety (pdf file) and on loans it states a club can loan up to eight players, but only two from one club at any time, which contradicts what it says in the place you sent me to!
    So I’m still none the wiser! 🙂

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:47 AM

    Comment #15

    ToonTime…a PL team is only allowed two loans from PL teams and only one from any PL team.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #16

    …unless the rules has changed since the 2016 season?

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  • Lindisfarne

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:48 AM

    Comment #17

    Rafa Benitez on BBC:

    “We go to play against a top side, who know body knew would be very difficult, because it is at the beginning (of the season) and they played really well the other day. Expectations are really high, so it will be tuff, for sure. How difficult? I will tell you in six months, if it was the most difficult or not.”

    Under playing that we beat them at home last season.

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  • RUNAWAY777

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:52 AM

    Comment #18

    Hope for a win today lads iam away for the weekend trying to see nessie come on the lads enjoy the game toontaf2 and hibbit

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  • Bobbybee

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:53 AM

    Comment #19

    I’m stopping looking because two FA sites contradict themselves completely on the loan system. 🙂 Both FA sites can’t be right obviously.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:54 AM

    Comment #20

    Ron…it’s difficult to know what’s exactly wrong with Krul so I might base my opinion on what I know!

    Yes, I would have kept Krul and made him first choice unless someone come in with an offer with was acceptable…

    You can see how difficult it is to bring in a top GK. Darlow would be 2nd choice and Elliott a go to GK if needed.

    Then again I would be perfectly alright with Woodman getting a go. Look at the situation at both Udinese and Toulouse…they have a very young and great GK in goal.

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:56 AM

    Comment #21

    …but I am not a fan of Elliott so that might effect my opinion

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  • ToonTime

    Aug 20, 2017 at 9:57 AM

    Comment #22

    Bobby: It’s four in a season, two at one time and definitely only one from each club… that’s from the 2017/18 rule book which I have also downloaded. All 621 pages of it 🙂

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  • ToonTime

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:00 AM

    Comment #23

    It’s nothing to do with the FA, that’s for the football league, you’ve got to look at the Premier League rule book… you can download the current rule book here… https://www.premierleague.com/publications

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #24

    So the rules are still the same as I thought!

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  • ToonTime

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:03 AM

    Comment #25

    I think Rafa wants Woodman on the bench for 6 months. If he does that he doesn’t need Darlow (or Elliott if you’re a Darlow fan). He can still play for the U-23’s to keep his hand in and may get a chance to come on in the event of an injury. He might play in the Caraboo Cup!

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  • Ron Knee

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #26

    jesper

    I’m with Rafa on goalkeepers; ie, the need for a commanding presence. None of the current four fits the bill for me!

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  • ToonTime

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:04 AM

    Comment #27

    Jesper: Yes! I believe they are, although as Bobby says it is damn confusing!

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:11 AM

    Comment #28

    Ron…I would like a top GK as well, but then it should have been a priority and done in the start of the season.

    Then the GKs who are not required should have been told…not the other way around.

    I don’t believe we will get a top GK this window…not one who’s better or more experienced than Krul. I hope I am wrong!

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  • ShirebrookToon

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:12 AM

    Comment #29

    I can’t see us getting Batshuayi on loan!

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  • jesperfuglsang - capt'n awesome of the lemon crew

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:13 AM

    Comment #30

    ToonTime…yeah the rule book is not always as clear as one would have liked…

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  • Belfast

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:15 AM

    Comment #31

    I thought it was two players on loan from the same club to be honest. I remember the rules where changed a few years ago because Watford had about 8 players on loan from Genoa or something.

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  • Belfast

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:16 AM

    Comment #32

    Or Udinese I think it was.

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  • Munster Mag

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:17 AM

    Comment #33

    I think we can get by with Elliott, if it frees up wages or fee for somewhere else? Mind you didn’t mcclaren say a good goalie was worth 25 points or something? ?.

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  • ToonTime

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #34

    That was the football league Belfast and yes they did change their rules as a consequence…

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  • ShirebrookToon

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:18 AM

    Comment #35

    Any news on a sleeve sponsor?

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  • Munster Mag

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:22 AM

    Comment #36

    Udinese Belfast. I think u are right, 2 players. But rafa saying we are OK for strikers I think. I guess he is just bigging up Joselu, or wud have gone for him earlier. I have a feeling Joselu will get us a few goals this season, maybe 10/12

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  • ToonTime

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:22 AM

    Comment #37

    Which one would you have Batshuayi or Kenedy?

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  • Munster Mag

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:24 AM

    Comment #38

    Sorry I meant to add a smiley ?. After mcclaren and 25 goals.

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  • Munster Mag

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:26 AM

    Comment #39

    Toon time bat’s cost about 33 million so yes please. Can’t see it happening though.

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  • AncientC

    Aug 20, 2017 at 10:27 AM

    Comment #40

    Elliot cannot be trusted to be number 1. When is the last season he didn’t break down, for example, because I cannot remember him ever sticking it out; going back to Alnwick having to step in.

    Even when Elliot has been entrusted to only be back-up, he still gets injured, after coming in as a number 2.

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