Rafa Keen To Sign Kenedy For Next Season – Will Ashley Support Him?

Rafa Benitez has brought the very best out of loan signing Kenedy this season, and the Brazilian has played exceptionally well for Newcastle during his loan spell since January.

But it could be difficult for Newcastle to attract Kenedy to Tyneside if Chelsea make him available this summer.

Rafa seems to think the best deal could be a loan deal for the season which is exactly what he tried to do last season.

If we had Kenedy on loan from last August Newcastle would have done a lot better during the first half of the season.

Kenedy with Rafa Benitez – last Saturday at home to West Brom

This is what Rafa has said about the young Brazilian who has settled quickly at Newcastle.

“It is too early with Kenedy] because Chelsea need to decide what they do in terms of a squad.”

“When they decide what that is, we will know.” “I am sure Kenedy is a player that they will consider.”

“But they have so many good players they may see him as an option for the boy to go on loan for another year.”

“Where could a good place for him be? Newcastle.”

“And for sure that could be a good chance for him and us.” “It was Kenedy’s last game at home (last Saturday) and he has been doing well for us.

“He is a player that is happy and has been able to give us the pieces of quality that we were looking for.”

The Mail are reporting that Chelsea are willing to sell Kenedy this summer to raise funds for new signings.

But it seems the fee will be north of £20M which and that would be a record transfer fee for Newcastle.

If he does become available, it will be interesting to see if owner Mike Ashley would back Rafa in bringing the 22-year-old permanently to Newcastle.

Maybe Rafa could get Kenedy back for a season-long loan deal on Tyneside but this time with an option to buy next summer?

Comments welcome.

194 comments so far

  • Jib

    May 2, 2018 at 3:06 PM

    Comment #1

    They had better get a wiggle on to
    get him signed
    If Chelsea appoint Maurizio Sarri
    there’ll be no chance of getting the Brazilian

  • JP...from The Rock

    May 2, 2018 at 3:09 PM

    Comment #2

    Quick answer to your question Ed- No!

  • jazzyp

    May 2, 2018 at 3:11 PM

    Comment #3

    Rafa should have no problem signing Kennedy … so long as he’s managing a different club

  • ShirebrookToon

    May 2, 2018 at 3:18 PM

    Comment #4

    If only it was that easy Ed.



  • magscar

    May 2, 2018 at 3:21 PM

    Comment #5

    Why do so many posters try to avoid the distinct possibility that both Rafa and Ashley will be here next season?

    Doesn’t matter that it is not the dream ticket – if there isn’t a buyer in the wings ( unlikley) then it is the best we can hope for. That isn’t being an Ashley supporter just lookin dispassionately at likely outcomes.

    I wonder how many posters converse with others at match as I don’t find Ashley is as prevalent in peoples thoughts as on here. Not because he has earned respect but because we have Rafa ( and his name is the main chant throughout and at every single match) and he isn’t saying he is going but is talking. Time for panic is when talks stall.

    Too many doom sayers with what seems to be wishful thinking just dying to be right.

  • magscar

    May 2, 2018 at 3:31 PM

    Comment #6

    On Kenedy depending on what Chelsea want if they do sell this summer then it is possible that there will be a budget and income from sales ( Mitro £15M + Gayle £10M + or what ever) which could stretch to cover fee and wages( and we are not having to fight off a CL club).

    However It would be up to Rafa to consider what the impact on his budget and other targets would be.So will depend on the amount he gets and whether he has achieved full control of spending within that figure?

    Given the press mutterings you would imagine control amnd pace of spending and what the budget is to be will figure very high if not at top of negotiations and won’t be for fudging again if that is what happened before.

  • Ron Knee

    May 2, 2018 at 3:31 PM

    Comment #7


    What an odd comment! You don’t think – based on bitter experience – that Ashley will fail to deliver what Rafa says he needs yet again?

    Surely it’s relevant to be talking about this now, with Rafa’s contract under discussion and the new transfer window not far away.

  • Linka1984

    May 2, 2018 at 3:33 PM

    Comment #8

    NO WAY, Of course Ashley won’t back Benitez to buy Kenedy. Ashley expects atleast 4 signings for £20 million, never mind that amount on just one player… Also, is Rafa even going to be here in the summer to make signings? It’s starting to look bleak again for Newcastle fans.

  • Jib

    May 2, 2018 at 3:37 PM

    Comment #9

    Two opposite views
    Who can be right ?
    A regular attender at SJP
    Chose to turn his back on the UK
    to live near Bordeaux.

    very interesting
    as Arte Johnson
    used to say on Laugh In
    (dressed as a member of the

  • Ron Knee

    May 2, 2018 at 3:43 PM

    Comment #10


    You seem to be suggesting that only ST holders can express an opinion on Ashley. That would exclude you too, presumably?

  • magscar

    May 2, 2018 at 3:47 PM

    Comment #11


    It is obvious to me ( as you are probably aware from my posts over the months let alone today) that Rafa is very much in charge right now and is no fool he simply has to gauge how far he can push Ashley in the light of past (personal not anecdotal) experience and tighten up on the wriiten contract where he may have been caught out before.

    Who knows what went on? you don’t, I don’t ,No one does -Oh except Rafa does!. I choose to believe that Rafa if not in an impregnable negotiating position holds a very strong hand (probably the strongest of any manager dealing with Ashley) and Ashley knows this very well. Yes I expect Ashley to try to outsmart and out flank him just as Rafa will realise that even if he never reads Blog but I have faith in Rafa even up against Ashley.

    I vainly hope that posters will in the full light of Ashley’s past actions see that his room for maneuovre has been severely curtailed and as I said this morning he now has a tiger by the tail.

    Yes a sale to viable owners would seem to be the best ever option but what if that just doesn’t happen. I can’t just accept Rafa walks, for the reasons I have so regulary pointed out. Call me deluded , an optimist but I see it as a reasonable and realistic outcome on what “facts” we have at present.

  • Ron Knee

    May 2, 2018 at 3:56 PM

    Comment #12


    I agree that Rafa is in a good negotiating position.

    However, I don’t agree with: “Too many doom sayers with what seems to be wishful thinking just dying to be right.”

    Most on here want the talks to go well, I would have thought.

  • Jib

    May 2, 2018 at 3:58 PM

    Comment #13

    Ron as a retired teacher you should
    have the wit to notice I offered no opinion
    Just the facts ma’am
    as Joe Friday used to say
    on Dragnet

  • magscar

    May 2, 2018 at 4:00 PM

    Comment #14


    Not wishing at all to raise the old chestnut about who has the right to contribute ( I believe all NUFC fans around the world and even occasional other fans can as it is an open Blog). BUT seriously… a neutral coming on here and reading comments may be surprised to find that the intense hatred and sheer volume of posts denigrating Ashley in the crudest of terms is not and hasn’t been for 2 years reflected in the banter and chants at the ground. Yes most share the same misgivings about Ashley but don’t let it get in the way of supporting the club and hoping we are on the upturn as long as Rafa stays.

    “Sheep” they may be but as many seem to realise without their vocal and unflinching support Rafa might be (have been) for turning.

    Rather than continually go on about how Ashley has let Rafa down I prefer to concentrate my thoughts on the ability, experience and determination of him to have found and to overcome previous loopholes and actually get the contract he thinks he is signing this time round.

  • magscar

    May 2, 2018 at 4:04 PM

    Comment #15


    There is an interminable amount of Ashley anti-posting on here which, for some reason I can’t fathom, can’t seem to realise that Rafa might just be the Champion with the weapons and army to slay or if not capture and neutralise the dragon no matter who he ate up previously – our very own St Rafa 🙂

  • Ron Knee

    May 2, 2018 at 4:09 PM

    Comment #16


    That’s mendacious cr*p!

  • AncientC

    May 2, 2018 at 4:13 PM

    Comment #17

    From the F.F.

    ‘PF suggested that the club’s commercial income may not be contributing as it

    “The club explained that it works incredibly hard to grow its commercial revenue, which is why a
    number of high profile rugby matches and a summer concert over multiple nights have been
    The upcoming Ed Sheeran concerts are lucrative for the club and have been structured so there
    is no risk to the club.
    The club has planned to introduce such events for a long period of time and accordingly, it has
    invested significant funds in pitch technology to enable such events to take place without having
    a detrimental effect on the playing surface used by the team.
    The club takes a lead role and collaborates with other organisations to bring events to the city.
    The club believes it has a stronger relationship with other sporting institutions and organisations
    across the city than it has had for a long time.
    The club is giving particular focus to its partnerships model, and its recent investment in a stateof-the-art
    crowd-facing LED system is part of those efforts.
    In addition, the club outlined deals such as its catering operation which requires further detail. In
    short, while outsourcing its operations reduces commercial turnover, this is overall a more
    profitable relationship for the club.”

    No mention of you know what, then.

    How can the outsourced catering be making a profit if the club view the fee they get for outsourcing to be more profitable than doing it themselves. If the catering is making a profit, minus over what they pay for the privilege, then surely there is a profit margin there that the club is missing out on.

  • Ron Knee

    May 2, 2018 at 4:13 PM

    Comment #18


    But can’t you see why posters on here legitimately criticise Ashley?

  • Our Toon

    May 2, 2018 at 4:20 PM

    Comment #19

    We’ve stayed up this season because of rafa, he wasn’t backed at all by Ashley and a lesser manager would have meant relegation. Rafa is manager but he’s not in charge, if he was then he’d have got the players he asked for.

    Ashley is and always has been a hindrance, he’s sole objective is to treat the club like he does sports direct, buy cheap and hope to make money, he’s single handedly led us to 2 relegations. Even neutrals can see the impact the clown has had on the club and it’s not been positive. It’s disturbing that any fan can claim things have changed or are changing.

  • Jib

    May 2, 2018 at 4:26 PM

    Comment #20

    San Rafael actually

  • Our Toon

    May 2, 2018 at 4:28 PM

    Comment #21

    Guess proof will be if rafa stays and signs a new contract, the fact he’s not signed yet and stated he was lied to in the summer is not signs that rafa is happy with Ashley!! They say once bitten twice shy……unless of course you are a toon fan, for some reason the odd person seems to come out with hope that this is the year Ashley changes

  • jazzyp

    May 2, 2018 at 4:29 PM

    Comment #22

    Strange that because plenty folk talk Ashley every game as a main topic of conversation in the Platinum.
    Just saying like!!

  • AncientC

    May 2, 2018 at 4:32 PM

    Comment #23

    “SH gave an update on the Newcastle United Fans’ Food Bank campaign. He thanked the players
    and Rafa Benítez for contributing personalised artwork for a recent North East Art Collective
    blind auction, which looks set to raise significant funds in aid of vulnerable people in the city.
    SH thanked Newcastle United for its wider support for the food bank and stated that matchday
    collections have been responsible for around £150,000 of produce and cash donations in just 15

    Good to end the FF on a high note like that. Admirable and worthy of respect.

  • magscar

    May 2, 2018 at 4:34 PM

    Comment #24


    Is there anything in what I have posted that suggest I don’t appreciate why Ashley is legiimitely criticised.

    I honestly believe that there are some who failing a takeover want Rafa to go to then see the end of Ashley – too draconian for me that scenario

    It often seem to be the only game in town with posters simply making disparaging comments about his weight, aparent similarity to a mollusc and drinking vomiting habits.

    Is that all you want from the Blog? I don’t but psters can post as they wish.I would prefer it to be stretched beyond simply the juvenile post that passes for comment and add absolutely nothing at this stage after 10 years to the chat.

    There are several who unfortunately don’t post often (enough) who can see what the club has faced in the last 10 years but also see beyond and above that and recognise that there is a big difference growing and who can post on the football, transfer speculation, tatics finances etc without being trapped and restricted by their hatred of Ashley.

    A poster (dIg?) refered to Ashley lovers earlier – an inaccurate misplaced tired lazy old phrase that I really can’t attribute to any current poster – a cop out for discussion

  • magscar

    May 2, 2018 at 4:37 PM

    Comment #25


    The main and only topic? As vehemently as on here?

    Yes (all?) most want him out but I don’t find he has dominated discussions this season. Mitro has been high up lately though ha ha 🙂

  • jazzyp

    May 2, 2018 at 4:41 PM

    Comment #26


    Trust me mate he is the main topic of ruthless debates at most home games in and amongst where I sit.
    I have no time or interest for the man ad the last decade has been a nothing short of disaster under his tenurship

  • lesh

    May 2, 2018 at 4:42 PM

    Comment #27


    You continue to offer reasons why you think Rafa,ll stay.

    Of course he loves the adulation he’s had and has from.our fans, sees Newcastle United as a club that’s there to reach greater heights, relates to the city which isn’t too far away from his wife and family. If that’s all there was to him continuing what he sees as a challenging project, there wouldn’t be a problem.

    However, the fact that he’s again having to fight an uphill battle to build on the success he’s had so far speaks volumes. Rafa’s a realist who can work with relatively limited funds but it appears that despite promises of support – which he’s had to fight for – he’s been undermined a couple of times.

    Rafa’s having to deal with Charnley – fair enough you might say, he is MD – but in reality, Charnley can’t approve any major spend without recourse to Ashley, via Barnes. But, whether Charnley can prepare a case to recommend and convince Ashley to approve it?

    Rafa’s human and as such when he feels his expertise and advice are repeatedly ignored or his proposals seemingly ignored or if agreed, undermined without the courtesy of prior discussion, he’s bound to feel disillusioned with life under Ashley. The indifference, the apparent lack of urgency given to developing the club – the fact that the club feel the need to drag out discussions about his future – will no doubt make Rafa wonder what the hell he’s doing here.

    Like it or not Magscar, hygiene factors (refer to google, Maslow explains em simply) make a difference to employee motivation and putting it crudely, if Rafa feels he’s being shown no respect and being treat like a lack, he’ll be off, either soon or at the end of his contract.

  • magscar

    May 2, 2018 at 4:43 PM

    Comment #28

    Our Toon

    You are a regular and interesting poster and I can’t disagree with the picture you paint of what has passed.

    The change for those who wish to see it is simply Rafa is still here, is looking to stay, the club is for sale but hasn’t and isn’t likely to be sold in the short term and Rafa is in the strongest bargaing position ever with his eyes wide open.

    Tell me of any situation in Ashley’s reign ( or even before) when a manager faced the owner with such a strong hand and Ashley clearly on the back foot. = sorry to mix metaphors but m in a hurry responding before I must go and get on 🙂

  • hibbit

    May 2, 2018 at 4:44 PM

    Comment #29

    do you still get to games because were i sit at the minute Ashley is the only topic of conversation

  • Ron Knee

    May 2, 2018 at 4:47 PM

    Comment #30


    I don’t think many subscribe to this:

    “I honestly believe that there are some who failing a takeover want Rafa to go to then see the end of Ashley – too draconian for me that scenario.”

  • magscar

    May 2, 2018 at 4:55 PM

    Comment #31


    I am familiar with Maslow no need to Google. Rafa currently shows no problem with Hygiene factors as you describe and If I wanted anybody to discuss a contract with Ashley right now with the future fate of this club at stake it would be Rafa.

    Ironically it is not I who burys his head in the sand about Ashley but those who seem to doubt or ignore Rafa’s clear ability and position to get what he wants at a pace he is prepared to settle for if he has to.

    I am simply not as dismissive as some are notwithstanding what has happened.

    Rather than repeating myself to different posters can I respectively ask that you read what i have posted in last 24 hours (and before) and see that I am simply seeing a third potential outcome than

    club sold Rafa stays,

    Ashley stays Rafa goes

    – it really isn’t too mind boggling or disloyal 🙂

  • magscar

    May 2, 2018 at 5:02 PM

    Comment #32




    I believe it you don’t OK no problem we can agree to differ.

    To any one else

    Ashley debate has nothing fresh to offer but for me Rafa staying with him stll here has- doesn’t mean to say it will happen but surely not beyond reasonable discussion without any or all having to defer to default setting 🙂

    Off now as have things to do and sorry can’t keep fielding different responses but might catch up later if anything to add

  • Jib

    May 2, 2018 at 5:04 PM

    Comment #33

    Just ordered a bird table from an online company
    I wonder if has anything tod with Jail and Tsunki


  • Jib

    May 2, 2018 at 5:04 PM

    Comment #34

    to do even

  • Jib

    May 2, 2018 at 5:05 PM

    Comment #35


  • ShirebrookToon

    May 2, 2018 at 5:22 PM

    Comment #36

    Where I sit Ashley is main topic of conversation before the match. Also stating the fact that if it all goes sour and Rafa leaves then they’re considering wether to renew their ST or not.

    And there’s a lot of folk saying that lately unfortunately.

  • lochinvar

    May 2, 2018 at 5:34 PM

    Comment #37

    I knew it all along. Sod’s law. We’re in the wrong dimension.

    In Universe 1892 King Rafa the fourteenth has presided over Newcastle United winning the World Cup for eons.

    The ewok like Ashleyites have been banished to the underworld and exist merely as cartoon minions.

    A remote desolate planet with hostile environment and lots of gas has been spotted by a probe and named Sunderland .

    Season tickets are free and the regular capacity crowds of 100,000 at SJP are known and loved across the cosmos .

    Prof Stephen Hawking’s final research paper suggests that our Universe may be one of many similar to our own.
    The theory resolves a cosmic paradox of the late physicist’s own making.
    It also points a way forward for astronomers to find evidence of the existence of parallel universes.

  • hibbit

    May 2, 2018 at 5:43 PM

    Comment #38

    i don’t know about anyone else but i find it very hard to believe that there’s this little pocket in SJP that doesn’t discuss Ashley at every opportunity particular under these present circumstances
    unless of course it’s in the directors box sitting next to Bishop & Barnes ????

  • toonluvva

    May 2, 2018 at 5:44 PM

    Comment #39

    If we can’t sign Kenedy, I’d be content with a season long loan instead. But, please don’t tell Ashley!

  • GeordieTwo

    May 2, 2018 at 5:45 PM

    Comment #40

    We won’t have a decent commercial income until we’re a much better team to attract attention. Also aren’t we still providing Ashley free SD advertising? That has to change as well. Nothing has changed with respect to the loan either has it? I don’t see this as a healthy long term condition for the club to be in. If Ashley stays all the old problems remain.

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