Newcastle’s Dithering With Rafa Will Have Ramifications On Transfers – Coming And Going


Before any players decide to stay at Newcastle, they may want to know whether Rafa will be staying long term at the club.

One example is goalkeeper Martin Dubravka who will almost certainly be offered a deal at Newcastle as there is an option to buy in his loan contract for €4M.

And another good example is Jamaal Lascelles, with news today that Everton are likely to lodge a £25M bid for him in the summer.

Rafa Benitez with Jamaal Lascelles after Arsenal win

There was news earlier that Chelsea were getting a £35M bid for Lascelles ready for the summer, so there are some Premier League clubs interested in the Newcastle captain.

Jamaal and Jonjo Shelvey have both said that signing Rafa on a long-term deal is the key to Newcastle’s future.

And as usual, Newcastle are dithering around, and this is the third week of negotiations.

They are attempting to sort out a new contract for the manager and identify what the club is willing to give him in transfer funds.

And if nothing is sorted out soon some potential transfers into the club could well want to know what Rafa’s future is.

And if Rafa goes some players like Lascelles could want to leave.

And there are some clubs only too willing to take Benitez off Newcastle’s hands if no agreement can be reached.,

As usual, the Newcastle hierarchy are showing little initiative, and heaven knows how long it will take them to reach an agreement with Rafa – if indeed that’s what happens.

It’s another sign of the lack of ambition at the top of the club.

And if Rafa was to leave the club, Mike Ashley would sell players like Jamaal Lascelles in a flash to get the money.

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30 comments so far

  • OneAlanShearer

    May 11, 2018 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #1

    Here’s what I see happening. Negotiations drag on well into the summer, rafa either gets fed up and leaves or Ashley says yes so far into the window that are targets are mainly gone and rafa still sold short due to time running out.

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  • RobLeenio

    May 11, 2018 at 10:30 AM

    Comment #2

    Not sure Ashley would sell Lascelles yet, he’s like a fine wine being kept in a cool, dark cellar, maturing slowly. He’s a good vintage already, but in one or two years he’ll be a classic vintage and his value will have risen considerably.

    Of course, if Rafa leaves then he may well go sour and turn to vinegar, so who knows

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  • JP...from The Rock

    May 11, 2018 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #3

    I hate Ashley so much! Greedy, uncaring cu*t!

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  • Jib

    May 11, 2018 at 10:35 AM

    Comment #4

    Someone said before
    “How can Everton be in for
    Lascelles when they don’t
    know who will be manager
    next season ? ”
    Fat Sam has just said in his
    presser (relating to the Rooney rumours)
    that managers at Everton have nowt
    to do with transfers.

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  • Nicky the ball tosser

    May 11, 2018 at 10:38 AM

    Comment #5

    The player you might lose and really don’t want to is Shelvey. A top six side might think he’s worth 30 or 40 million, and how do you “keep him down on the farm” so to speak, if that sort of opportunity avails itself to him.

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  • bettyswallocks

    May 11, 2018 at 11:03 AM

    Comment #6

    http://alphapatriot.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2014/BeeVsWasp.jpg

    Jesper……………… I thought this might help you to avoid any confusion.

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  • DubaiMicky

    May 11, 2018 at 11:18 AM

    Comment #7

    Can I ask the “bored” a question?

    Has it been a good season?

    I’m a yes, to finish 10-12th after a low net spend to me shows a good season. Something to build on.

    You rabble? What do you think?

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  • RobLeenio

    May 11, 2018 at 11:25 AM

    Comment #8

    Dubai Micky, would I have taken 10th / 11th before the start of the season? Absolutely yes. Would I have hoped for more? Again, definitely yes.

    We’ve achieved what we wanted therefore it’s been a good season, but there have been frustrations along the way too. Hopefully next season we can build on this one and move on again. Incremental improvements.

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  • The next Mike Williamson

    May 11, 2018 at 11:26 AM

    Comment #9

    I think it’s been a good season. Especially if you take into account that awful run we had when Lascelles and Dummet were out and other players like Shelvey, Diame, and Lejuenes hadn’t started playing to their ability. We could easily have been much higher.
    Very positive for next season.It’s a good young squad and with two or three good signings we could be overtaking the Everton’s and Leicester’s, neither of who have decent managers so are on the slide down. Must keep Lascelles. He keeps everyone on their toes.

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  • OneAlanShearer

    May 11, 2018 at 11:27 AM

    Comment #10

    I wouldn’t say it’s been a good season but indsay rafa has rescued it and the lads can be proud of their efforts.

    We could be doing far better under rafa if Ashley or another owner invested reasonable funds. I think he could get us top 6 no problem.

    So it mind of always feels disappointing knowing that.

    Having rafa is brilliant. I hope it lasts a decade more.

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  • mactoon

    May 11, 2018 at 11:51 AM

    Comment #11

    Given the ‘tools’ Rafa has had, it’s turned out an amazing season!

    But now it’s precariously balanced, I can’t see Ashley providing the assurances Rafa wants. There won’t be a large transfer kitty and Ashley has already said he wants out of the club so he wont sign up to the ambition Rafa wants.

    Best outcome is that Rafa compromises on the size of the kitty and bargains to get a share of any money made from player sales. The ambition will need to wait until a new owner takes over. If he takes this pragmatic approach we may have him here next season. If it all falls through I imagine Rafa goes and Ashley will sanction sales of Lascelles, Shelvey, Gayle, Mitrovic, Diame and others, Rafa is the only one preventing this.

    Any agreement will need to thrashed out pretty soon as the window opens in 6 days and closes on Aug 9 and as usual Rafa will want to get work done early.

    The transfers are another problem altogether as the list will be given to Charnley who can’t even make a decision without running it past Keith Bishop and Justin Barnes who will then instruct Charnley to offer under the valuation and drag the transfer on, by the time this has happened.. boom, the player has gone elsewhere and we will be left scraping around for loan deals. We can only hope Rafa manages to change this process as part of his negotiations if we are going to get anywhere over the next 12 weeks.

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  • barkel

    May 11, 2018 at 11:53 AM

    Comment #12

    30 or 40 mil for Shelvey!? I’ll have some of whatever you’re having. I know the transfer market is gone nuts but that’s insane. We paid 12mil for him do you really think his value has gone up that much? He isn’t consistent enough for that kind of fee.

    We’ve had a pretty good season with highs and lows, we haven’t had a spanking from anyone and there were quite a few games where we lost by a goal and it was due to our lack of goal scorers, we had lots of chances to finish the seasons maybe as high as 7th but we didn’t take them. Saying that though I would’ve taken 17th!

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  • Jib

    May 11, 2018 at 12:00 PM

    Comment #13

    Mid table the season following relegation with
    the enforced minimal summer spend .

    Beating the Gooners and Manure

    Never once getting smacked off of any
    side

    Simply fabulous

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  • OneAlanShearer

    May 11, 2018 at 12:04 PM

    Comment #14

    Not complaining by the way. Just think it was painful at times but recent run prior to loses has rescued us. I agree that rafa has stopped us getting hammered many a time. The teams efforts and rafa’s have been outstanding. I’m just imaging where would be with those 3 or 4 players to complete what we have now. Especially a striker.

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  • Nicky the ball tosser

    May 11, 2018 at 12:09 PM

    Comment #15

    30 million minimum. Sissoko went for more two years ago, and transfer fees have gone up 20 30% since then, and Shelvey is clearly better. He plays people in from all over the park, and runs about.

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  • barkel

    May 11, 2018 at 12:19 PM

    Comment #16

    Sissoko was one of the best players at the world cup when we sold him, that’s what took his price that high. I’d be absolutely shocked if anyone even considered a bid of more than 15-20mil for him. He can play people in all over the park but he can’t do it consistently. He gives the ball away far more than he connects with his hollywood passing.

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  • Mattroge

    May 11, 2018 at 12:22 PM

    Comment #17

    At the start of the season I’d have taken anything outside of the relegation places, we had a team without a great deal of PL experience and lacked firepower up front. If we finish 10-13th then you would have to say that’s an achievement. The teams in amongst us for these places (Palace, Bournemouth & Watford) have all spent more money than us.

    What you have to say about this team is that not only do they all give 100% every single game is that when it has mattered & have been under pressure they have produced results, I have no doubt that is largely due to the calmness instilled by Rafa. We went nine games without a win before crucially winning away at West Ham- with Diame & Saivet in centrral midfield! We slipped into the bottom three before going out & beating Man U at home. Bizarrely the only team that’s given us a real hiding was Watford who did us 3-0 at St James Park.

    The main question is where do we go from here? I don’t think we’re a million miles away from competing with the teams above us (Leicester, Everton & Burnley) & I don’t think we need to spend a fortune to do it either. Hopefully Rafa & Ashley can somehow trust each other, agree a reasonable budget & Rafa signs a new contract. With astute signings in the right places & retaining our best players I’m confident we can progress next season.

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  • Nicky the ball tosser

    May 11, 2018 at 12:35 PM

    Comment #18

    “He gives the ball away far more than he connects with his hollywood passing.”

    You really are very wrong. He gives, goes and gets it back all day long, and hits a fantastic long ball, often long before anyone sees it, and he’s under instruction to do it.

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  • DubaiMicky

    May 11, 2018 at 12:45 PM

    Comment #19

    @ Mattroge, 100%? Other than the first half at Watford I’m inclined to believe you.

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  • DaveD1000

    May 11, 2018 at 12:50 PM

    Comment #20

    A Yes from me. I had us down finishing 14 but feared 17. Lascelles Lejeune Dummet Shelvey have came on massively and show small improvements every outing. Mo? come on he would run through Iron Man and I’m loving it. Yedlin who I thought was pacey and nothing else starting to think and coming on nicely. We have become a unit and no one thinks we are a rollover. Now Rafa needs to be let loose on the front end with a wedgie of foldies.

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  • lochinvar

    May 11, 2018 at 12:52 PM

    Comment #21

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdeLlhA103I

    Here you are lads one for the summer holidays – would love to see you video a rendition of this one…

    Abba themed Film has just been released, aptly named

    Mama Mia
    “There you go again”

    Apparently to appeal to regional audiences a local version has been made available.

    Mackem Mia
    “There you go again”

    You’ve been shafted by Short since you know when
    So he made up his mind, it must come to an end
    Look at you now, will you never learn ?
    You don’t know how but you suddenly lose control
    Sunderland’s a club on the dole

    Just one fan and he can’t even sing
    One more beer ‘nd you’ll forget everything

    Mackem Mia think you’ll go again
    Bye Bye, no Sam to assist you ?
    Mackem Mia, going down again
    Bye Bye, just how much we’ll miss you
    Yes you’ve been completely shafted
    Spooked since the day Reid departed
    Why,why did you ever let him go ?
    Mackem Mia now you really know
    “Bye Bye”, we just had to let you go

    You’ve been angry and sad about loosing a few
    In a season or few then it’s down to League Two
    And when you go, when you slam the door
    I think you know that League One was too strong
    You know that you’re best at ping- pong
    Just one fan and he can’t even sing
    One more drop and you can forget everything, w-o-o-oh

    Mackem Mia think you’ll go again
    “Bye Bye” no Sam to assist you ?
    Mackem Mia, going down again
    “Bye Bye”, just how much we’’ll miss you

    Yes you’ve been completely shafted
    Spooked since the day Reid departed
    Why why did you ever let him go
    Mackem Mia even if I say
    Bye bye, leave us now for ever
    Mackem Mia, it’s the way you play
    “Bye bye” actually means forever

    Mackem Mia think you’ll go again
    “Bye Bye “no Sam to assist you ?
    Mackem Mia, going down again
    Bye Bye, just how much we’’ll miss you
    Yes you’ve been completely shafted
    Spooked since the day Reid departed
    Why ,why did you ever let him go ?
    Mackem Mia now you really know
    “Bye Bye,” we just had to let you go

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  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    May 11, 2018 at 12:54 PM

    Comment #22

    Shelvey has been immense the only thing he really needs to improve on is goal scoring he needs to add goals from free kicks and outside the box to be at the top level!

    Some of his passing and the way he dictates the game at the moment is immense so many times after games you read opposition fans “we made Shelvey look like Pirlo” ! He has an influence on every game at the moment even if he is tightly marked which used to be a problem so Rafa’s coaching is working!

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  • DubaiMicky

    May 11, 2018 at 1:11 PM

    Comment #23

    I thought Mamma Mia was a Geordie bloke announcing his homecoming to his mother?

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  • Nicky the ball tosser

    May 11, 2018 at 1:24 PM

    Comment #24

    I think it’s been a more than good season. First and foremost because we stayed up, when it didn’t look good for quite a while, but also because of the obvious spirit in the group, which shows the club culture is healthy, and because so many players have come along, which means we know we only need 3 or 4 more of quality in the right positions to press on for top 8 next term.

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  • c-dog

    May 11, 2018 at 1:37 PM

    Comment #25

    Shay Given carried himself very well while at the club and for a very long time he showed tremendous. Astonishing how people can speak ill of such a club legend.

    If Rafa walked tomorrow it’d be for the same reason Given walked back then. A lack of ambition from Mike Ashley.
    Little apples will grow again…

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  • hibbit

    May 11, 2018 at 1:41 PM

    Comment #26

    am i right in thinking we have 6 of our current squad who’s contracts are up in june ????

    some of them will need to be replaced, plus if we do sell any players replacements will be needed for them
    we have to be looking for at least 6 players, 4 is nowhere near enough if we are to move on

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  • NUFCadon

    May 11, 2018 at 1:46 PM

    Comment #27

    I think 1 thing is very clear. We are in a make or break moment in Newcastle’s history. Go one way and it will be relegation and following Sunderland’s lead. Go the other and we could go back to being a top 6 club again….lets hope its the latter

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  • DaveD1000

    May 11, 2018 at 1:48 PM

    Comment #28

    Wasnt it just Hairdryer good and Gamez?

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  • The next Mike Williamson

    May 11, 2018 at 1:54 PM

    Comment #29

    I think I had us 8th or 9th behind Leicester who I had 7th. The only other ones I remember are I had Burnley 20th, Brighton 17th & Huddersfield quite high up.

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  • The next Mike Williamson

    May 11, 2018 at 1:55 PM

    Comment #30

    I really hope Boro stay down. Firstly because I never want to seePulis again, and secondly so we can get Traore.

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