For Benitez – West Ham No Better Than Newcastle


Chris Waddle, the former Newcastle United winger and now a pundit has been talking in the Express today about West Ham’s possible move for Rafa Benitez.

That’s after the Hammers fired David Moyes and his assistants yesterday, and that is said to have come as a surprise to Moyes after he saved them from relegation this season.

Chris Waddle is not fully convinced West Ham are the club for Rafa and he makes several good points in his comments to BBC Radio Five.

Chris Waddle – not sure Hammers are the club for Rafa

This is some of what Chris Waddle told BBC Radio 5 Live:

“Benitez might look at it and think, ‘You know at Newcastle, I’ve got that budget which is not obviously great’ and he wants more and rightly so,”

“But going to West Ham it might be a very similar budget and he stays at Newcastle, he’s absolutely loved, the fans love him, and rightly so, he’s done a great job.”

“He could go to West Ham, lose the first five games and it’s like, ‘What are you doing here?’”

“So for him to move it would have to be an unbelievable sort of deal.”

“It would have to say, ‘I’m allowed to spend a lot of money to bring certain players in I’ve identified who I’d probably like to bring to Newcastle, who are even bigger players.’

“Where do you wanna be? That is the question for any manager going into West Ham. – where do you want to be?”

“Will it be a relegation battle? Will it be a mid-table or where actually does the club wanna go?”

“If they don’t spend at Newcastle, then obviously to get the maximum out of thm (sic) players again is very difficult, that’ll be three years running, with the same basic squad,” 

“That’s the reason they’re interested, – well, Rafa is allegedly interested – because of the budget talks with the owner.”

“Because you know he needs assurances, because he’s got them up there in a good position in the league and like I say – it’s a good position then to springboard and go up.”

“That’s what the Newcastle fans want.”

Newcastle have to give Rafa the tools and the money he needs to significantly improve the Newcastle squad this season.

Mike Ashley and Lee Charnley should know there are any number of clubs only too willing to pay Rafa a hefty wage and give him significant transfer funds to make their club a top club in the land.

We are still hoping that club remains Newcastle United.

Comments welcome.


77 comments so far

  • G

    May 17, 2018 at 12:34 PM

    Comment #1

    Considering Waddle is a mackem’s fan, he’s making a lot of sense there.

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  • NezzaNUFC

    May 17, 2018 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #2

    Can I ask where this 400 million is coming from and where does it state Mr Ashley wants 400 million?

    Also the day is young and there is plenty of time to sign up the keeper, wouldn’t his valuation be about 4 million either way or slightly higher?

    How do we know that Rafa isn’t already in talks concerning his contract?

    It’s anyone guess put apparently all the media know even before the Newcastle officials know lol

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  • NezzaNUFC

    May 17, 2018 at 12:41 PM

    Comment #3

    I don’t believe for one second Mr Ashley would stall talks with Rafa, everyone knows Ashley is always after the £ so why would he chance letting Rafa go?

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  • G

    May 17, 2018 at 12:43 PM

    Comment #4

    Not really relevant to the post, but I still haven’t forgiven Waddle and his mate Hoddle for ‘Diamond Lights’.

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  • NezzaNUFC

    May 17, 2018 at 12:45 PM

    Comment #5

    Think of it like this guy’s, when it’s quite it means good news until there is actual news.

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  • TyneMouth

    May 17, 2018 at 12:50 PM

    Comment #6

    Nezza…

    “How do we know that Rafa isn’t already in talks concerning his contract?”

    Because Rafa said so, (press conference before Chelsea game)

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  • DaveD1000

    May 17, 2018 at 12:52 PM

    Comment #7

    G ditto even if you allowed the Mullets

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  • NezzaNUFC

    May 17, 2018 at 12:54 PM

    Comment #8

    Tynemouth

    After the Chelsea game lol

    So again how do we know if he is or isn’t in talks already?

    No one knows until he’s either left or his next interview.

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  • NezzaNUFC

    May 17, 2018 at 12:56 PM

    Comment #9

    Don’t managers usually have new contract represented to them either before January and/or when the season is over?

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  • NezzaNUFC

    May 17, 2018 at 12:57 PM

    Comment #10

    Tynemouth

    Sorry that was meant to say before Chelsea game lol 😉

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  • Bobbybee

    May 17, 2018 at 12:57 PM

    Comment #11

    All we as fans can do is wait and see. Nobody really knows what’s going on, just lots of wild speculation as usual.
    Obviously Rafa has a limit. Sooner or later he’s going to want an answer and probably sooner rather than later.
    To our advantage Rafa cares about the fans and the massive potential of our great club – unlike Ashley who has demonstrated repeatedly he doesn’t give a toss. How much time Rafa will give Ashley remains to be seen, but for all we know, talks may well be under way – we simply don’t know. Let’s hope they are.
    As a businessman it makes zero sense for Ashley to mess him about. Clubs are queuing up to take him off us and even he must be aware of that fact.
    The season’s just ended, so give them chance to sort it out before donning the sackcloth and ashes.
    This is a nightmare. An owner who doesn’t care with a manager desperate to take us as far as possible. If only Rafa could sack Ashley… 🙂

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  • Lee Charnley Bunga Party

    May 17, 2018 at 12:58 PM

    Comment #13

    I just wish we could get this sorted one way or another

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  • Pitmatic

    May 17, 2018 at 12:58 PM

    Comment #14

    Am I missing something? Rafa still has a year on his contract. Is Ashley fails to back him properly then he might walk away at the end of it, but no way can can I see him leaving before then. This West Ham stuff is absolute nonsense made up by the London media. I wish Ed would not dignify it with this constant regurgitation.

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  • NezzaNUFC

    May 17, 2018 at 1:02 PM

    Comment #15

    Bobby

    Totally agree, you would think by now that us fans wouldn’t fall for such media BS by now, but apparently they still do 🙁

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  • Pottsclock

    May 17, 2018 at 1:09 PM

    Comment #16

    Bobby #11 – well said mate !! A good summary of the situation.

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  • Pitmatic

    May 17, 2018 at 1:10 PM

    Comment #17

    On Shelvey – God knows, I’ve seen him get dogs abuse on here (and occasionally in the stands) for some of his performances. Now he’s the new Pirlo! Don’t get me wrong, I think he should have been picked, but some of the abuse directed at Southgate is out of order.

    What Shelvey really needs to do is to go on Good Morning Britain and do a big weepy interview about his alopecia and all the bullying he’s had and how it’s turned him into a right nasty can’t but how sorry he is about it now. Then he’ll get picked again.

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  • Mag52

    May 17, 2018 at 1:16 PM

    Comment #18

    If Amanda Staveley is miffed at seeing the asking price of NUFC increasing to 400m., she only has herself to blame.
    She was in a perfect place to conclude a deal at 100m. less before Christmas if only she, or her backers, had shown more faith in Rafa’s ability to see us to safety. She could have done the deal, with no conditions, at that point, and by now we would all be living the dream, with a new owner a decent transfer pot and Rafa on a new contract.
    Speculate to accumulate Amanda, but you simply weren’t prepared to take a chance on Rafa the gaffa.

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  • lochinvar

    May 17, 2018 at 1:17 PM

    Comment #19

    West Ham is a state funded penitentiary for lost tourists.
    Andy Carroll has been wrongly incarcerated there and needs to be set free.
    Why don’t we organise a cloth capped, barefooted march to London to show Dick Heads what they want to see.
    In return they could march to the cliffs of Dover and take a running jump.
    Lemmings.

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  • RobLeenio

    May 17, 2018 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #20

    Interesting article on The Mag suggesting we’ve had a bid turned down for Hamburg’s Wunderkind Josha Vagnoman. This kid is obviously a Rafa choice for his development squad, as he is solely responsible for scouting since Graham Carr left. If we’ve indeed moved that quickly for this lad, that surely suggests everything is less scary than we fear.

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  • Bobbybee

    May 17, 2018 at 1:19 PM

    Comment #21

    My disagreement with Southgate goes back to when he had the U21 team.
    We were in the finals of the European Championship and every other country was calling up players from the senior squad who were still under 21.
    We had a boatload of talent, including an in form Andy Carroll who openly stated he would love to represent the U21’s and help win the trophy.
    Southgate stubbornly refused to call up anybody who had senior experience. We failed to get out the group stage.
    Many of England’s current squad could’ve played and had got great experience from it. He wanted to do it his way and his way only. Sound familiar?

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  • c-dog

    May 17, 2018 at 1:24 PM

    Comment #22

    West Ham will give Rafa a bigger budget, yes.
    Mike Ashley will promise Benitez a sizable budget, yes.
    Rafa trusts Mike Ashley, no.
    Mike Ashley will deliver the promised budget, no(agents fees and wages excuse, which no other club has ever used, again).

    I fear the worst. I hope I’m wrong.

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  • RobLeenio

    May 17, 2018 at 1:27 PM

    Comment #23

    From NUFC.com:

    “Brinkmanship is a dangerous game to play with our owner though; he’s eminently capable of calling Rafa’s bluff if he feels threatened – and to hell with the consequences and fan backlash.”

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  • Bobbybee

    May 17, 2018 at 1:27 PM

    Comment #24

    Mag52, bang on the money mate. As much as we despise Ashley, she may well have been wasting his time. She’d be sitting pretty now with a huge PL club bought for just £300m if she’d only believed more.
    You can’t predict the future obviously, but it was a fair bet Rafa would at least keep us in the PL.
    I’m not sure anymore whether she was for real, I think I just let my hopes and dreams get the better of me.

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  • hibbit

    May 17, 2018 at 1:28 PM

    Comment #25

    RobLeenio

    Who says Rafa is bluffing ????????

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  • Mag52

    May 17, 2018 at 1:30 PM

    Comment #26

    Pitmatic.

    Totally agree with you that the abuse Southgate is getting on here is o.t.t.
    I do think Shelvey should be going to Russia, in place of Delph, but to get two reds, the way he got them, in the year leading up to World Cup selection, and for which he justifiably received massive criticism on here, he has only himself to blame.
    Hopefully he has learnt a lesson and will still represent his country in the future. His ability should insure it.
    As for Southgate, he, and the team, should have every true English supporter behind them in the task ahead.

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  • Bobbybee

    May 17, 2018 at 1:34 PM

    Comment #27

    Every club has to take into account wages and fees. It’s part of any transaction. But only one season’s wages, the next season’s are covered by the next season’s budget.
    Average wage bill is about 70m. You can’t ignore that when balancing the books.
    Money from sales plus 40m from the club would, I suggest, be enough to keep Rafa here. That can be sorted out if all parties are willing.

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  • Ron Knee

    May 17, 2018 at 1:35 PM

    Comment #28

    In the words of the Eighteenth Century Time-Traveller, Ashley’s tenure has been a “perpetual purgatory”.

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  • Bobbybee

    May 17, 2018 at 1:37 PM

    Comment #29

    Anyway, good blogging chaps but sadly I’ve got things to do I can’t ignore. Keep the faith, hopefully all will turn out well in the end. Later.

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  • lochinvar

    May 17, 2018 at 1:40 PM

    Comment #30

    Headline from the grubby London Evening Standard
    “Rafa Benitez interested in becoming the next West Ham manager…… and is Hammers No1 target”
    At no point in the article can they then substantiate the first part of that statement.
    Pure fiction.
    Suggest that the Newcastle Evening Chronicle an altogether more respectable and significant newspaper runs an equally compelling headline.
    ” Steve McLaren interested in becoming the next West Ham manager…..and is the bubble blowers dream appointment”

    Bring it on.

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  • RobLeenio

    May 17, 2018 at 1:55 PM

    Comment #31

    hibbit, speculation and conjecture earlier in the article, along the lines of this could strengthen Rafa’s hand against Ashley.

    Here’s some more speculation and conjecture for all to enjoy, this time all of my own invention:

    Do we know that Ashley is in the USA for sure? If we do, is it certain that he’s there on holiday? Is it possible he could be doing some kind of business over there, such as selling a football club?

    The club accounts are late, Rafa has been discussing a deal but hasn’t signed and the Dubravka deal, which should be a shoe-in, hasn’t yet been announced. Added to that is the extraordinary first team squad meeting at the training ground a few Tuesdays ago. It all suggests that something big ‘could’ be going on behind the scenes, or all may mean nothing at all in the slightest.

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  • Ron Knee

    May 17, 2018 at 1:58 PM

    Comment #32

    Rob

    If anything earth-shattering had happened at the first team meeting, surely it would have leaked by now.

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  • RobLeenio

    May 17, 2018 at 2:04 PM

    Comment #34

    I dunno, Ron – probably clutching at straws…

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  • hibbit

    May 17, 2018 at 2:04 PM

    Comment #35

    Rob

    i don’t disagree with what you wrote but the truth is we just don’t know,
    i have a feeling there’s a lot more going on behind the scenes than even we can imagine !!!!

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  • lesh

    May 17, 2018 at 2:05 PM

    Comment #36

    Nezza @2

    I may be wrong but I believe the reported revised £400m asking price came out via Ashley’s favourite mouthpiece – Sky. If that is the case, then I’m confident Bishop and therefore Ashley are behind it.

    As far as Ed’s comment that maybe Stavely doesn’t or didn’t have the money to back a bid in the region of Ashley’s asking price, that’s speculation based on Ashley’s spokesman, Bishop’s, disinformation. There were suggestions that there was a middle-east backer(s) behind Stavely and if that is the case, there’s no way he/PCP would want to be seen to have been stung by Ashley.

    And speaking of face-saving, Rafa’s clearly a proud and principled man and he too wouldn’t want to be seen to be stung yet again by Ashley. Aaand to add to that, Ashley doesn’t do losing or backing down to pressure.

    So, where does that leave things? There’d need to a number of face-saving concessions all round to be sure that all parties involved in whichever negotiations win, walk away with something for them.

    All in all, apart from the summer window of 2016 when Ashley left Charnley and Rafa to it, our transfer window’s likely to be as frustrating as ever under Ashley. Why doesn’t the greedy git just trust the people who know football rather than employ the likes of Barnes todo his dirty work. Things are and never will be straightforward as long as he holds control over the club.

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  • lesh

    May 17, 2018 at 2:12 PM

    Comment #37

    RobLeenio

    Could any bids supposedly submitted be nothing more than Rafa pushing the boat out, testing the water, testing his authority?

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  • hibbit

    May 17, 2018 at 2:16 PM

    Comment #38

    lesh
    or calling Ashleys bluff ????

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  • hibbit

    May 17, 2018 at 2:18 PM

    Comment #39

    the club definitely need Rafa more than Rafa needs the club if its to retain its value

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  • lesh

    May 17, 2018 at 2:18 PM

    Comment #40

    RobLeenio

    You may remember that Charnley informed the last Forum meeting that the accounts were delayed so that they could present a full picture of the impact of relegation? Could the delay be down to the possibility that the third-party auditor’s refusing to sign them off as being compliant with company law?

    Just a thought.

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