29-year-old Swansea City central midfielder Roque Mesa is reported to be interesting both Newcastle and Fulham.
The Spanish player only joined Swansea from for 11M last summer from Las Palmas and after playing 16 games for the south Wales club.
On 30 January this year, Mesa joined Sevilla for the remainder of the season, in a loan deal that included a buyout option.
So Sevilla have first option to sign the 5ft 7ins tall midfielder this summer.
Roque Mesa – in action against Watford last season
The news is reported by the Sevilla.ABC outlet but we would be surprised if Rafa is interested in this central midfielder.
Swansea are busy trying to adjust their outlays to the much-reduced revenues they will receive in the Championship although they do receive a parachute payment of £40M this season from the Premier League.
Then two more payments of £25M and £20M in the subsequent years if they are not back in the Premier League.
Newcastle currently have Jonjo Shelvey, Mo Diame, Mikel Merino and Isaac Hayden fighting it out in Newcastle’s central midfield.
Jack Colback is back from a had season loan at Nottingham Forest, but the former Sunderland midfielder has no future at the club, having dropped out of favor with the manager.
If Rafa does bring in another central midfielder it could mean one of those players will go out on loan – maybe Isaac Hayden, although the former Arsenal youngster can also play at right-back.
What do you think?
Comments welcome.
86 comments so far
Bobbybee
Jun 12, 2018 at 7:30 PM
Comment #41Anyway, sorry for bothering you all with that. Obviously I’m a bit preoccupied with it all and thought a wider group might give me greater understanding of how unusual – or not – it is for records to go missing.
I’d appreciate any feedback on the record issue. The actual surgery is now in the hands of those who’ll decide either way, I’m just curious to know if it happens a lot or if, as Tsunki points out, they’re guarded. I always assumed your records are kept until you die, but whatever or however, mine have simply vanished.
RobLeenio
Jun 12, 2018 at 7:41 PM
Comment #42Bobby I know a medical lawyer. Extended family member. He’s a really good bloke. I’m sure we could work out a way to get you in touch while keeping contact details private. Ed would help i feel sure
Essex Geordie Bill
Jun 12, 2018 at 7:52 PM
Comment #43Bobby
That sounds very fishy, is that surgeon still alive, don’t know if you mentioned that.
If he is I reckon you ought to take out proceedings of some sort against him.
If he is dead now then there must have been others involved in your surgery that can be questioned I would have thought.
Have you changed doctors, as seeing the way files used to be stored in bundles of notes it wouldn’t be too difficult for something to be misplaced. The loss of your files could be simple human error of negligence. Unfortunate in your case but not too uncommon I would surmise. Might they be still be on a shelf somewhere?
Just hope you can somehow get a case opened that would lead to some recompense for your trauma and suffering.
Bobbybee
Jun 12, 2018 at 8:06 PM
Comment #44Rob, thank you my friend. When I find out the result of this investigation I’ll contact you then if I need one.
What I’m hoping to hear is that the surgeon who said I’d been mutilated was wrong and that the original surgeon came in off his holiday to operate on me for all the right reasons and had no choice but to remove them.
That would be the ideal outcome because the alternative simply doesn’t bear thinking about.
Let’s be honest, no amount of compensation is going to get me the life back I lost, is it? That’s gone and can’t be returned. I’m happy, despite the obvious drawbacks. In fact, I can safely say I’ve never been happier, so I just want to know what happened was the best he could do. He did the best for me and removing my kneecaps was the only option open to him.
I won’t be too happy with the surgeon who said I’d been mutilated because he’s proper f****d my head up, but that’s better than if he’s right.
Of course, why a surgeon would say that if it wasn’t true is beyond comprehension too.
So thanks, if I need him I’m sure we can do it through Ed. I appreciate that.
Let’s hope I don’t need him. That’s the outcome I’m hoping for. 🙂
Thump
Jun 12, 2018 at 8:11 PM
Comment #45Christ Bobby, that sounds awful. I have to commend your overall outlook on life, though. You’re a lot brighter than I’d be in your position.
Can’t imagine how you must be feeling being told that, though. I also hope (for your sanities sake) that he’s wrong, though you seem fairly convinced.
Keep on keeping on mate.
Bobbybee
Jun 12, 2018 at 8:28 PM
Comment #46Bill, cheers, but I don’t want it to come to that mate. It is all very suspicious and looking back I’m a bit annoyed I was that naive. There’s more to it and with hindsight I should’ve questioned it then, but I’ve always had a high opinion of the medical services (ex RAMC) and just accepted he’d done his best for me.
The last thing I want to hear now is that I could’ve been completely repaired and lived a normal life. What good can that do me? A fight through the courts for compensation? Money’s not much good if you can’t enjoy it properly is it? It will be just more stress I can do without – but obviously I need to know now. This mutilation thing is doing my head in. It’s a nasty word that can only mean one thing.
You might be right about the records, I don’t know and that’s why I ask. My GP can’t explain it so I’m asking people if they have theirs, or know anybody else who hasn’t got theirs. It’s pretty much dominating my life right now.
Anyway, I’m getting off for now. Any feedback will be appreciated regarding the record situation, I’ll pick it up next time I come on. I think I’ve done my own head in enough for now! 🙂 Go and watch a feelgood movie or something. Catch ye later.
RobLeenio
Jun 12, 2018 at 8:29 PM
Comment #47Bobby amen to that. It sucks you place complete faith in the medical profession as you have no choice otherwise. If you get let down by them there’s nothing worse. At the end of the day if you have to use a wheelchair you’re better off with a gold plated one 😉
simon376
Jun 12, 2018 at 8:31 PM
Comment #48Bobby
Can’t comment on hospital records but in my past job I did have involvement with GP records and I would guess same sorta thing. They are kept for life and passed from one practice to another if you move. Only time they would change is after a sex change and even then the old records are stored away in a safe place and everything still kept till after a person dies tho can’t remember how long for. If your records have gone missing, defo something dodgy going on
Bobbybee
Jun 12, 2018 at 8:38 PM
Comment #49Thump, not convinced mate, just confused. Don’t understand why a surgeon would say another surgeon had mutilated me – unless he meant it. Proper head ****.
Sorry about this lads, it’s doing my head in. Seems its all I can talk about! Leave ye to it. Later.
lesh
Jun 12, 2018 at 8:38 PM
Comment #50Bobby
DubaiMicky
Jun 12, 2018 at 8:39 PM
Comment #51BobbyBee, I shattered my knee (left) in a car crash too, around 1995, the knee surgeon who fixed me was a guy called Angus Strover, he had a place at Droitwich and London, he fixed me with keyhole.
I’m guessing it wasn’t him.
My left knee still gives me serious gyp now, and it was fixed, I can’t even imagine the pain you’re in.
Can’t you find all your records under your NI or NHS number?
martoon
Jun 12, 2018 at 8:43 PM
Comment #52Bobby – my son worked in the medical record department and I know paper copies were kept in the basement of the RVI and Freeman and the older ones off site in part of what was The General Hospital on West Road. I know for a legal case your solicitor can request a copy off all your records because one of my son’s jobs was to make a copy of the records for this purpose and it could take him all day for somebody with a long medical history. He told me most people have a couple of files and some have several but there are few who have a whole shelf full of files!
lesh
Jun 12, 2018 at 8:49 PM
Comment #53Bobby
Jeezas H, you’ve been through the wars bonny lad and your knee cap Po’s left you in a bit of a state what with your Osteoporosis. You must have some mental strength to put up with it all. And just when you want good things, Ashley’s pi$$ing Rafa about won’t help matters. Hang in there Berb.
Essex might have a point when he asked whether you’ve changed your medical practice. If so, your records might still be with your previous surgery. Worth a check.
Rob’s suggestion of his lawyer relative sounds good and I know from experience, that if you and he want to get in touch privately, Ed’ll be able to help as intermediary for exchanging contact details.
Stay strong fella and I hope you can make some progress.
cyprus
Jun 12, 2018 at 8:49 PM
Comment #54Free tip. It’s easier to spot the bottom clubs in the group stages. Combine 3-4, you have a decent bet.
Tsunki
Jun 12, 2018 at 8:51 PM
Comment #55Thing is when was it noticed you had no records? They started digitising them years ago, and even if you go to the docs for tonsillitis they get your records put for a look before prescribing anything. So was it all your history, part of it, and when was the last time anyone would have needed to look at it?
Canuck Mag
Jun 12, 2018 at 8:57 PM
Comment #56Bobby
I’m a physiotherapist on an orthopaedic surgery wing at a hospital. We don’t see patellar removals much this day and age but if the damage was bad enough, it does still warrant removal today. Sometimes even with advanced techniques, the risk of chronic pain and dysfunction are worse with attempts to fix the patella. The likelihood is that your kneecaps were obliterated, and not salvageable. Done is done, and I see enough depressing things every day to make me thankful for every breath I take. Chin up, and carry on supporting the toon. If you can survive being a Mag, you can survive anything
lochinvar
Jun 12, 2018 at 9:32 PM
Comment #57Bobby
Just noting your query.
Pretty sure that your records cannot just be deleted ( or lost ) as that would be negligence on the part of the GP or hospital.
More recent records for many patients have been digitalised but in that case it would need to be your complete medical history otherwise the medical history would be incomplete and that would/could compromise medical care – again leaving the GP or Hospital open to negligence.
Don’t take no for an answer is the golden rule.
Your records need to be there – somewhere ..if not someone or some organisation are I suspect liable/negligent
Moonraker15
Jun 12, 2018 at 10:20 PM
Comment #58Clubs in advanced talks…… signings left right and centre….. but Newcastle? Not a freakin word! Here we go again! Wtf?
lochinvar
Jun 12, 2018 at 10:42 PM
Comment #59Bobby
You should have two sets of medical records.
1. With your GP – stays with your GP for life or moves with you to a new GP practice if you moved house or to a new area etc
2. Hospital records/notes – would stay within your hospital Trust so if you’re in Newcastle that’s where they stay
None should have disappeared – if someone says otherwise start asking questions and demanding answers. You’ll be surprised what they can find when they realise that they have to !
jane
Jun 12, 2018 at 10:44 PM
Comment #60“Clubs in advanced talks…… signings left right and centre”
(off the top of my head) i think quite a few other clubs haven’t signed anyone yet.
Mister Tuff
Jun 12, 2018 at 11:09 PM
Comment #61Bobbybee – I think lochinvars post deserves further enquiry.
Might be that some records may not be online – but older records are retained at the hospital where you had your operation.
Why not make a Data Protection request to the Patient Records Department of the Hospital.
simon376
Jun 12, 2018 at 11:42 PM
Comment #62Yeah Booby as Mr Tuff says, do a freedom of information (FOI) on your records, they will have to find them and if can’t, questions have to be raised and potentially legal action
jane
Jun 12, 2018 at 11:54 PM
Comment #63Russia v Saudi Arabia
opening matches usually low scoring
Russia have been in poor form have injuries and ageing team.
Saudi Arabia did ok against Germany.
Jane’s prediction 0-1 @ 20/1
Bobbybee
Jun 12, 2018 at 11:56 PM
Comment #64Thanks to everyone for the advice. The notes for the operation have been found on microfilm, so that should result in a decision as to whether the surgery was necessary or not.
If the missing notes we’re an attempted cover up, then thanks to the investigator finding the microfilm it failed. Problem is, the rest of my medical record is definitely gone. My GP has tried to locate them and can’t. I’m going to have to take this further once I get this main shit out the way.
Micky, can I ask if your kneecap was totally shattered mate? I’m finding cases of shattered kneecaps all the time now and frankly it ain’t looking good. Seems everybody who’s had one has had it fixed.
Looks like it’s a GP appt in the morning to find out exactly when my current records start, which will point me to when they went missing.
Looks like someone has been very careless or someone has gone to a lot of trouble. I don’t know how they can go missing, but I need to find out.
Right, cheers, again for all your help. I need to see these xrays and notes, she can get onto them and get me copies.
Think I’ll change my moniker to ‘Lucky Bob’. 🙂 What a bloody mess.
jane
Jun 13, 2018 at 12:07 AM
Comment #65Bobby maybe they can fix your knees using gingerbread like this man..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pckuS–UlV4
SPRINGY
Jun 13, 2018 at 12:37 AM
Comment #66Bobbybee
Having gone thru a knee replacement myself 8 weeks ago after years of suffering…i know physically how much ya knees can be a drain on ya mentally,not just physically…but to also goe thru what u are goin thru must be a huge ball ache….hope u get sorted soon and win whatever case u have, good luck.
DubaiMicky
Jun 13, 2018 at 5:34 AM
Comment #67Bobby, it smashed against the dashboard, so it had loads of bits of bone in the joint (and a 6″ smiley cut where it hit the dashboard 35 or so stitches if I recall, car was written off). So the kneecap wasn’t smashed as such, but it had bits broken off that couldn’t be put back on so after the hospital didn’t bother and it was still hurting 6 months later I went private with Angus Strover and he performed keyhole to vacuum the crap out of my joints.
hibbit
Jun 13, 2018 at 5:45 AM
Comment #68Bobby don’t put off getting the legal help you obviously need
these people can help you every step of the way weather it turns out to be a major problem or just a technical hitch they know the questions to ask and when to ask them
https://www.hay-kilner.co.uk/workareas/clinical-medical-negligence-solicitors/
they will take a huge amount of pressure off you from the very first meeting and guide you through the legal minefield quickly and efficiently
Bobbybee
Jun 13, 2018 at 6:22 AM
Comment #69Cheers Micky. Not looking good is it mate? It is starting to sound like he shouldn’t have removed them – yours sounds as bad as mine must’ve been.
I was badly damaged, the usual injuries from a car wreck in the eighties when cars weren’t made like they are now. Fractured left ankle, right thigh, ribs, neck, skull and wrist and – apparently – both kneecaps.
Strangely enough though, the only scarring on both knees is the big ugly scars where they were removed, so maybe your kneecap was worse than mine. There were no bones sticking through or there’d be lacerations all across the knees. There’s not. Just the scars where he took em out.
Hibbett, thank you too. I better wait until I know what’s what first. Like I say, what I’m desperately hoping to hear is that he did the right thing and I can go back to living my life how I have until now. It never crossed my mind for one second that something might have been amiss for decades, I just accepted it. Now though…
You are right, I will need help eventually if this goes the wrong way.
nut meg
Jun 13, 2018 at 6:25 AM
Comment #70hibbitt
That sounds like good solid advice …hope you act on it bobby ..wishing you all the best …keep ya chin up bonny lad.
MidlandsMag
Jun 13, 2018 at 6:35 AM
Comment #71Bobbybee
If you find the website of the Trust that runs the hospital where you had your procedure, they should be able to find their policy on how they store their records. Most Trusts archive their paper records. These are documented with reference numbers and can be retrieved if necessary.
MidlandsMag
Jun 13, 2018 at 6:36 AM
Comment #72Bobbybee
Meant to say you will be able to find the policy.
Lascelles sells sea shells by the sea shore
Jun 13, 2018 at 6:37 AM
Comment #73Bobby
I was reading your knee/healthcare issues from yesterday and feel the need to share with you that I have a damaged patella and lateral collateral ligament that I done in work after an aggressive prisoner put down (I work in one of Europe’s most dangerous prisons) after years of football it just wasn’t what it was… I had lots of Appointments, scans, physiotherapy and then all of a sudden my notes had gone missing, everything just stopped after an MRI and no record could ever be found of my initial issues after I contacted them 6 months later to find out what is going on, I bypassed my docs and because of the nature of the injury at the time i went to A and E for assessment when it happened.
Like yourself I am still worried to this what has happened for something as big as my notes going missing… Was it misdiagnosed at the time, my pain is nowhere near as bad as yours but at 38 now 3 years on from the incident I worry about later issues as I get older.
Bobbybee
Jun 13, 2018 at 6:56 AM
Comment #74Micky, what you say about yours makes so much sense. Surely if the impact had been great enough to shatter the kneecap to a point where it couldn’t be repaired, the skin would’ve been the first thing to go? It would be a right mess, like yours obviously was.
None of this even crossed my mind. I just trusted he’d done whatever needed to be done.
My best mate was killed in the crash so naturally all my real concern was with him and his family. I was alive so my injuries were nothing compared to what happened to him. I was grateful to be alive and never questioned anything. Living with that was hard enough. It even has a name – survivors guilt. It never goes away.
Anyway, another crappie night. 🙂 See if I can get another hours kip before contacting the doctor to find out where my records start. And I think legal advice is the next step. Thanks again everyone.
Bobbybee
Jun 13, 2018 at 7:14 AM
Comment #75Midlands Mag. I have done mate. I’ve lodged a complaint. At first they thought because of the timescale the records would be gone – 30 years – but they found them on microfilm after a month of searching.
So now they consult two separate consultants to decide whether he did the right thing or not.
That isn’t helping with my medical records though, they’ve gone for some reason. Vanished. That includes all my childhood records, everything.
The hospital didn’t expect to find my surgery records so that’s a bonus. Now I’m just waiting and hoping to hear that he did the right thing. No idea how I’ll get my head around it if I find out I have been mutilated. It was life changing mate. According to this second surgeon, he would’ve had me back playing football ffs, not just walking. As it is, they’ve deteriorated so much now I can’t walk more than a few steps even on crutches. It’s all just one big mess. I wish I’d never been told, but I have and I have to follow it up. I need to know, even though the truth could wreck my head. Will wreck my head, let’s not kid myself. I need to know, but dreading finding out! 🙂 Like I say – what a mess.
Lascelles, sounds like you need to do some digging too mate. I wish you all the luck in the world mate.
lochinvar
Jun 13, 2018 at 7:27 AM
Comment #76Bobby
You mentioned that you were ex RAMC.
That would suggest to me that you are entitled to support from the Services. Don’t know the circumstances of your injury but I would investigate pushing for an assessment from the DMRC who specialise in military/ex military treatment and rehabilitation and significantly specialise in musculoskeletal inquiries. The time span shouldn’t make a difference or I would hope not as it’s about “looking after our own”.
Only point to note is that the centre is transferring from Epsom to the new state of the art facilities at Stanford Hall in the Midlands which may now be open or opening very shortly.
For further information try contacting DMRC Headley Court, Headley, Epsom, Surrey
01372 378271
A second opinion is always worthwhile, it’s just about how you access that.
DubaiMicky
Jun 13, 2018 at 7:29 AM
Comment #77Bobby, not to want to be too gory, but I could see my patella through the gaping hole in the skin, no pain as such, and very little blood – would have been killed if i wasn’t wearing a seatbelt that’s for sure. It wasn’t shattered, as in glass shatters, it was basically whole, just bits around the outside had come off. (Can you tell I’m a medical professional).
Anyway, best of luck to you, it does seem a little weird that your records went missing after you complained so to speak.
AncientC
Jun 13, 2018 at 7:42 AM
Comment #78‘Newcastle manager Rafa Benitez is under serious consideration for the Spanish national job after Lopetegui was named the new Real Madrid boss.’ (Northern Echo)
Wunderbar.
lochinvar
Jun 13, 2018 at 7:46 AM
Comment #79Bobby – ask your GP for a referral perhaps specifically to this Consultant – at the RVI or Freeman ? because of his background …see below
I can’t make this as a recommendation as I have no experience in this field but as a suggestion maybe give thought to this
Or if circumstances allow consider a Consultation privately which might be at the Nuffield in Jesmond or Spire hospital on Washington. A single consultation might be useful and not too expensive while any subsequent treatment can be done on the NHS.
Mr Peter H Worlock
Consultant Orthopaedic Surgeon and Clinical Director
Tel: 0191 282 5049
GMC Code: 2304926Qualifications: MB BS (Newcastle) 1976, FRCS Eng (1981), FRCS Edin (1981), DM (Nottingham) 1987.
Special Interests
Musculo-skeletal system injury – particularly complex limb injuries, pelvic and acetabular fractures, children’s fractures and the management of mal-union and non-union after fracture.
Biography
After training in Trauma and Orthopaedic Surgery in Nottingham and Toronto, Mr Worlock was appointed Consultant Trauma and Orthopaedic Surgeon at Sunderland Royal Hospital in 1988. He then moved to Oxford in 1991 as Consultant Trauma Surgeon at the John Radcliffe Hospital, and established the Oxford Trauma Unit.
Mr Worlock was Director of the Oxford Critical Care Centre from 1991 to 1995 and was the Civilian Consultant in Orthopaedic Trauma to the Royal Air Force from 1996 to 2004. He returned home to the North-East and took up his present post in Newcastle in 2005.
Directorate
Musculo Skeletal Services
Hospital Base
Royal Victoria Infirmary
Clinics Provided
Fracture Clinic – alternate Tuesdays, at the Royal Victoria Infirmary.
Name of Secretary
Carole Jarwick
Any other Information
Mr Worlock’s clinical practice is solely confined to musculo-skeletal trauma and post-trauma reconstruction surgery.
ShirebrookToon
Jun 13, 2018 at 7:47 AM
Comment #80Didn’t think it would be long until that rumour reared it’s ugly head