Can Newcastle Do A Swap Deal For This World Cup Player?


With Senegal now out of the World Cup Newcastle may make a move for Stoke City central midfielder Badou Ndiaye who has been linked with Newcastle in the Turkish press a few times this summer.

Fanatik have been reporting on the player a lot and reported Newcastle have already held talks with the Stoke player who was at Galatasaray for six months after signing for them only last summer.

He then left for Stoke City last January in an attempt to save the Potters from relegation.

Ndiaye will now move on from the Potters this summer (third move in 12 months) since he doesn’t want to play in England’s second division.

He cost Stoke €16M in January after Galatasaray had paid only €7.5M for him last summer from Turkish club Osmanl1spor, based in Ankara.

So the Turkish powerhouse club doubled their money on him in a short six months

27-year-old Stoke midfielder Badou Ndiaye

There’s now talk (only in the Turkish press) of his fee being as much as €25M – but if the fee gets that high Newcastle will not be around.

But since Stoke want striker Dwight Gayle then maybe we can do a swap deal where Gayle goes to Stoke and Ndiaye comes to Newcastle.

But Gayle is worth a lot of money to Stoke since can score plenty of goals in the Championship and the Potters have already had a £10M bid turned down.

There again – maybe Newcastle couldn’t get a good deal for Gayle via a swap deal because they would simply price Ndiaye too high.

Rafa would only do the swap deal if he really rates the 27-year-old Senegal International because it seems he wants to keep Gayle at Newcastle for next season.

Gayle really improved as an all-round player this year but still couldn’t score many goals for us.

Badou Ndiaye was one of the few players to shine this year for Stoke City so he certainly made a good start in the Premier League.

Rafa wants to move much more quickly in the transfer market than the snail’s pace Newcastle have been moving at for over six weeks.

However, it was good news yesterday that we got an experienced player in when we signed Swansea fee agent Ki Sun-yueng who is the South Korea captain.

Comments welcome.


34 comments so far

  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Jun 30, 2018 at 1:08 PM

    Comment #1

    Lost my bus timetable, 🙂

    My prediction for Rafa’s next freebee, Fernando Torres!

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    Essex Geordie Bill

    Jun 30, 2018 at 12:56 PM

    Comment #19
    Some analyzing the English squad in the DT was saying we really could do with a deep lying playmaker.

    Hmmmm, now do we have such a player in the English game?

    Oh hang on!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Essex Geordie Bill

    Jun 30, 2018 at 1:00 PM

    Comment #20
    chicousa, I really also like lime pickle, chilli’s and very hot curries so it could be why i love anchovie’s, not much finesse to my taste buds!

    1
  • AncientC

    Jun 30, 2018 at 1:08 PM

    Comment #2

    TNMW, from earlier:

    “And if I remember correctly Swansea put Shelvey on the list and chose to keep Ki so they obviously rated him higher back then.”

    Shelvey had fallen out with the owner and they were desperate to get rid of him, that’s why we picked Shelvey up so cheaply. According to CIES Shelvey was worth £10 million+ more than we paid for him. It’s not that sung-yeung was rated higher than Shelvey.

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Jun 30, 2018 at 1:09 PM

    Comment #3

    But he might easily score a shedfull next season, just a wee bit of shooting practice needed!

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  • Jib

    Jun 30, 2018 at 1:10 PM

    Comment #4

    Essex Geordie Bill
    I hope you have big windows in your cludgie

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  • Jib

    Jun 30, 2018 at 1:21 PM

    Comment #5

    ANCIENT
    This doesn’t really square with your version of events

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/15/jonjo-shelvey-newcastle-united-swansea-city-loss

    As for Shelvey priced at £22M in Jan 2016
    I don’t know who CIES are but that’s twaddle

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  • AncientC

    Jun 30, 2018 at 1:33 PM

    Comment #6

    Jib: https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/jonjo-shelvey-admits-swansea-city-175404116.html

    I know which one I believe.

    Btw. This is the CIES observatory http://www.football-observatory.com/-About-

    ‘The CIES Football Observatory is a research group within the International Centre for Sports Studies (CIES), an independent study centre located in Neuchâtel, Switzerland. The CIES Football Observatory specialises in the statistical analysis of football. It was created in 2005 by Dr. Raffaele Poli and Dr. Loïc Ravenel.’

    CIES valued Shelvey at £23.5 million at the time he signed for Newcastle.

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  • AncientC

    Jun 30, 2018 at 1:38 PM

    Comment #7

    I suppose it is always possible that you are better at player valuations than the CIES Football Observatory, Jib, just highly unlikely.

    Jib, how do your transfer valuation qualifications stack up against this “twaddle”?

    ‘The CIES Football Observatory is comprised of four people: three researchers (Drs Raffaele Poli, Roger Besson and Loïc Ravenel) and a collaborator responsible for the gathering of data (Andrea Pessina). The Observatory also benefits from the support of the staff of the Centre International d’Etude du Sport (CIES).

    Our mission is to advance the frontiers of knowledge for the sustainable development of football worldwide.

    Since its creation in 2005 by Raffaele Poli and Loïc Ravenel, the CIES Football Observatory has become a reference point in the demographic analysis of the football players’ labour market, the technical analysis of player performance and the scientific estimation of transfer values.

    Researchers from the CIES Football Observatory are specialists in quantitative methods. The services provided include the mining of data and its visual representation. We also have expertise in the production of data through questionnaire surveys, as well as in the editing of research reports.

    The CIES Football Observatory has been regularly mandated by prestigious organisations such as FIFA, UEFA, City Football Group, Chelsea FC and SL Benfica. Mandates have also been carried out through the wider remit of the CIES Sports Observatory for organisations such as FIBA and the IOC.’

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  • Pottsclock

    Jun 30, 2018 at 1:43 PM

    Comment #8

    After a confirming signing, yet more wild speculation from the press based on the fact we were once interested in player.

    1
  • Jib

    Jun 30, 2018 at 1:54 PM

    Comment #9

    Ancient your reliance on a bunch of pseuds like
    CIES says so much about you
    http://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2017/225/en/phone/index.html
    Here’s their WC projections
    Germany 4th likeliest to win it !!!!
    WHOOPS

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  • AncientC

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:05 PM

    Comment #10

    Jib, Germany being amongst the favourites to win the WC seemed like a legitimate projection to me.

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  • Jib

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:13 PM

    Comment #11

    By gum you are dim
    Legitimate it may be
    but it’s sport
    there’s nothing empirical about the
    interaction of human beings

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  • AncientC

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:18 PM

    Comment #12

    Jib, what about the statistical data are you not understanding. Let me paste it for you again. Take note of the word “likely.” Btw, Germany wasn’t number 1 and the WC hasn’t been won yet.

    Here try again:

    “Issue number 225 of the CIES Football Observatory Weekly Post reveals the most likely World Cup winners according to an exclusive power index. This index combines the average percentage of matches played at domestic league level since July 2017 by the 23 most fielded players per team in the qualifying campaign with the average sporting level of employer clubs. Spain tops the list ahead of Brazil.”

    It’s just raw statistical analysis with a finding. Nothing else. It’s not supposedly to turn out to be magically 100% accurate.

    “Dim”, quite.

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  • AncientC

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:22 PM

    Comment #13

    “Ancient your reliance on a bunch of pseuds like
    CIES says so much about you”

    And… FIFA, UEFA, City Football Group, FIBA and the IOC (amongst others).

    Yes, it says so much about us all. I don’t mind being grouped in with that bunch against you, Jib.

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  • Jib

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #14

    We are both being hearted
    My guess you are being hearted by Jesper
    Why am I suddenly reminded of the Monty Python
    philosophers footy match.
    For you and your ilk actually watching a game
    must really get in the way of your proper enjoyment
    of the beautiful game.

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  • Jib

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:32 PM

    Comment #15

    This upcoming France vs Argentina game should be
    tremendous
    fingers crossed
    we’ve been here before and badly let down

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:42 PM

    Comment #16

    Don’t know if this help!

    “Lies, damned lies, and statistics” is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments. It is also sometimes colloquially used to doubt statistics used to prove an opponent’s point.

    The term was popularised in United States by Mark Twain (among others), who attributed it to the British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” However, the phrase is not found in any of Disraeli’s works and the earliest known appearances were years after his death. Several other people have been listed as originators of the quote, and it is often erroneously attributed to Twain himself

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  • chicousa

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:46 PM

    Comment #17

    Jib,
    You mentioned Christian Pulisic in an earlier post with the hope that Yedlin could get in his ear about joining NUFC. I had voiced the same hope a year or two ago. That was when he was only 17 or 18 years old and merely a rising star at Dortmund.

    Unfortunately now he is a huge star and in much demand and Dortmund would not let him go for under 50M £ – probably more! Klopp, who knows him well, really wants him at Liverpool and some of the other big boys (Chelsea, the Manchester club’s, Spurs, etc) have shown interest in him too.

    So unless hell has frozen over and Ashley has been body snatched by aliens, a move to get Pulisic not even remotely in the cards….sadly. But he would be awesome in the black and white!

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  • Mister Tuff

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:47 PM

    Comment #18

    Jib human interaction on the blog can be empirical. You abuse people at least 50% of the time and infrequently get support from about 3 blog grannies.

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:48 PM

    Comment #19

    And just to add my two pennorth, it probably depends on what the provider of the statistics has to gain from them.

    In ancients case the CIES probably don’t gain anything so don’t have to provide spurious data.

    Whereas big Pharma make shedloads of dosh from spurious data.

    1
  • chicousa

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:51 PM

    Comment #20

    EGB,
    I’m with you on hot and spicy foods: Curry’s, Peppers, Mexican food (which is really only found in US border states like California or New Mexico).

    But anchovies?!!! Nahhhhh
    😉

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:53 PM

    Comment #21

    Jeff from Benwell

    Mar 27, 2015 at 5:53 PM

    Comment #4

    “You are so dim you have to ask that question yet still think you know enough
    to be a snide about a club legend”

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:53 PM

    Comment #22

    chicousa
    Speaking of food I had a hummous to die for last night in a restaurant in Southend.

    1
  • Jib

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:53 PM

    Comment #23

    Essex
    You’ve kind of missed the point
    The validity or otherwise of stats
    is of no interest to me .
    I’m old school and rely on what I see
    and how I interpret it is what I post in the main.

    1
  • Tosun A. Wobbler

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:54 PM

    Comment #24

    All I’ve got on the subject of KSY is to wish him all the best and hope he finds a whole new Korea up here in the North.
    On this post….his name sounds like the chorus from a bebop song…oop boop Badou Ndiaye.

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  • Jib

    Jun 30, 2018 at 2:58 PM

    Comment #25

    Wow Jeff from Benwell used the word “dim”
    as well
    I MUST BE HIM

    ha ha ha ha ha ha

    1
  • Munster Mag

    Jun 30, 2018 at 3:02 PM

    Comment #26

    Come on Argentina. Can’t see them winning. Great steaks, hot women, great Jersey, super ? fishing, great red wine and they stood up to thatcher. Viva Argentina

    1
  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Jun 30, 2018 at 3:08 PM

    Comment #27

    Jib

    At the risk of being branded a granny, I agree with you to an extent.

    Statistics can be useful but they are also used to spread lies.

    What you can see for yourself is often a better validation of what is.

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  • Reilly

    Jun 30, 2018 at 3:14 PM

    Comment #28

    frogs 1 up

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  • Jib

    Jun 30, 2018 at 3:15 PM

    Comment #29

    An early score for France was just what this game needed
    for the neutral.
    What do the statisticians say Ancient ?

    3
  • Ron Knee

    Jun 30, 2018 at 3:16 PM

    Comment #30

    Rojo is a silly billy.

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  • lesh

    Jun 30, 2018 at 3:18 PM

    Comment #31

    Hey ho, Jib’s on his ‘I’m the cleverest person in the world’ perch again.

    And, it was interesting that Ki said he knows the club (NUFC that is) has ambition. Does he know something doesn’t?

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  • Jib

    Jun 30, 2018 at 3:30 PM

    Comment #32

    lesh
    Hey ho, Jib’s on his ‘I’m the cleverest person in the world’ perch again.

    Actually you thick head I probably said the diametric opposite of that

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  • Jib

    Jun 30, 2018 at 3:38 PM

    Comment #33

    It’s hard to take your eyes off of N’Golo Kanté he’s
    brill

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  • Jib

    Jun 30, 2018 at 3:42 PM

    Comment #34

    di maria wow

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