Who Are The Best Two Center-Backs At Newcastle?


Fabian Schar was suspended for the game yesterday against Wolves in the 2-1 defeat, and we may have missed him at the back.

Jamaal Lascelles kept his place, but he is still getting match fit and made a mistake for Wolves first goal.

And Federico Fernandez had to leave the game at halftime with what was described as a knock, so we are hoping that was a precautionary measure.

Florian Lejeune – physically fit – needs matches

And with Clark available and Florian Lejeune now fit and training regularly with the first team, the question arises who are the best two center-backs at the club once Lejeune is match fit.

Rafa may also be tempted to play three at the back more for the rest of the season once Lejeune is fit again he was outstanding in the second of last season.

You are allowed two choices in the following poll.

Who Are The Two Best Center-Backs At Newcastle?

  • Lejeune (41%, 665 Votes)
  • Schar (29%, 470 Votes)
  • Lascelles (15%, 243 Votes)
  • Schar (14%, 224 Votes)
  • Clark (2%, 31 Votes)

Total Voters: 856

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103 comments so far

  • G

    Dec 10, 2018 at 12:23 PM

    Comment #1

    Schar and Schar, but no Fernandez Ed.

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  • Chancel be a fine thing

    Dec 10, 2018 at 12:32 PM

    Comment #2

    Where is Fernandez Ed? I’d go for Lejeune and Fernandez.
    Schar is great on the ball, but not so good in defending.
    Lascelles is solid in a central pair, good in the air and a decent turn of pace for his size, but position sense is not great and not comfortable on the ball.
    Fernandez is good all round.
    Lejeune reads the game well, good on the ball, but not the quickest. I thought him and Lascelles worked well

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  • Jib

    Dec 10, 2018 at 12:33 PM

    Comment #3

    I think Ed may have been Trump’s
    campaign manager
    😀

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  • Chancel be a fine thing

    Dec 10, 2018 at 12:34 PM

    Comment #4

    Ha ha
    together.
    Will be interesting to see how Fernandez and Lejeune get on together.

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  • jonnyshaw85

    Dec 10, 2018 at 12:34 PM

    Comment #5

    The question of the Yedlin incident is not whether he was being fouled first but whether his foul warranted a red card or not.

    Yes i totally agree that Yedlin was fouled first, but when looking at the incident (if there is an appeal of course), the FA cannot say it isn’t a red card or foul because he was being fouled first. Just because he is fouled first, it doesn’t give Yedlin the right to foul back because with that theory, Yedlin could have punched him in retaliation, the FA wouldn’t say it’s ok because he was fouled first.

    Therefore, unfortunately, the argument would need to be whether Yedlin’s foul should have been a red – which I don’t think it should have been.

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  • Jib

    Dec 10, 2018 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #6

    Nobody I think is saying he was justified
    in fouling him – just that some refs would
    have said it was 6 of one and halfadozen
    of the other – also how did a tug on his shirt
    propel the Wolves player forward defo a
    question of simulation as well

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  • simon376

    Dec 10, 2018 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #7

    Got to say at the match yesterday as soon as ref was pulling out a card said to ex ref next to me it has to be a red he agreed unfortunately and he sometimes sits on the panels. Mind you he instantly shouted for a pen for us at the other end. Great sitting beside him, often when ref or linesman getting stick he shakes his head and says official is right, but when you see him go off on one you know the ref is wrong

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  • martoon

    Dec 10, 2018 at 12:43 PM

    Comment #8

    Repost from previous:
    Jib @9 – I’d guess that article was written a few days ago because they tend to list articles in chronological order. Interesting about the people visiting SJP – I hadn’t seen that anywhere else – I wonder where they got that from?

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  • martoon

    Dec 10, 2018 at 12:48 PM

    Comment #9

    simon376 – I have to say even with my black and white eye balls it looked like a red to me – Yedlin made a mistake and pulled him back – in hindsight if he had let him go the goalie and Lascelles would have closed him down and he’d have done well to score.
    However equally the Perez incident was right below where I sit and was clearly an elbow in the face and a penalty – difficult to tell whether it was deliberate but it still prevented a clear goal bound header so should be a penalty!

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  • Shoulders knees

    Dec 10, 2018 at 12:59 PM

    Comment #10

    Gutted with yesterday’s result and manner of it, so frustrated with 2nd goal. We gave ball away ( Perez) no urgency to chase back and defenders backing off so far I thought they wanted to sit in Gallowgate, get close make him beat you if he does bring him down.
    Maybe playing with ten tired them out but we really concede soft soft goals.

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  • JDdubai

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:00 PM

    Comment #11

    I think in a back 4 then Lascelles is fine. But having him play on the right in a back 3 isnt good, in a back 3 it is either him or Fernandez in the middle and Schar on the right and Lejeune on the left when fit.

    I quite like,the 3 at the back, away from home it works well. Problem is when at home it needs to be a 343 to allow us to attack but with Rafa it generally stays as 5 at the back which limits us. Hopefully one day we will have an attacking LB to play wingback.

    Ideal team when fit with current players..

    Dubravka
    Schar- Lascelles/Fernandez- Lejeune
    Yedlin-Ki-Shelvey-Ritchie
    Muto-Rondon-Kenedy/Atsu/Perez

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  • Mister Tuff

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:03 PM

    Comment #12

    Martoon – if you suggest that it was difficult to tell whether the elbow was deliberate – it therefore follows (by logic) that is was difficult to tell whether it was accidental.
    Accidental = no foul.

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  • Shoulders knees

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:06 PM

    Comment #13

    Regarding VAR can anyone tell me when it comes in next season is it for every game or just televised games?

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  • hibbit

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:09 PM

    Comment #14

    foul or not, it was a head injury the game should have been stopped.

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  • jonnyshaw85

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:12 PM

    Comment #15

    Hi Jib, yeah i agree ppl aren’t saying he was justified, but some are showing pics of Yedlin’s shirt being pulled which is correct, but that won’t be taken into account if the FA look back on it I don’t think as it will be a separate incident.

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  • Chancel be a fine thing

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:13 PM

    Comment #16

    Accidental is still a foul.

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  • L Toon

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:15 PM

    Comment #17

    The less said about dean the better. The bloke couldn’t find his own gluteus maximus if he had 10 hands. Once again though we have contributed to our own downfall, gifted them two goals and somehow lost a game we were in absolutely no danger of losing.The first goal was embarrasing at sunday league level, don’t care whether it was lascelles or yedlin, just one of them communicate and sort it out. Rafa can only do so much, if its not mistakes at the back its not taking our chances at the other and were all sat here having the same conversations every week. This will unfortunately continue until rafa is allowed to buy players that can consistently put the ball in the net and not make mistakes, but this will not happen under this shower of sh1t regime. He must stand there and tear what hair he has left out every week. Though we looked ok in possesion up to a point but cannot move the ball quickly enough through the transitions when it matters. then next 6 weeks will either make us or break us.

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  • jonnyshaw85

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:18 PM

    Comment #18

    On the elbow, on first viewing I thought foul, penalty & red card. Then I thought it MAY have been accidental but when you look at it more times (which the ref doesn’t have the chance to do – but Dean was looking right at it!), yes you have to raise your arms/elbows to gain momentum when jumping, but his left elbow is much higher than the right and unnaturally moves towards Perez’ face.

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  • toonbrother

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:20 PM

    Comment #19

    I think this post is intended to troll nice try lol

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  • jonnyshaw85

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:22 PM

    Comment #20

    and yes, accidental is still a foul.

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  • DubaiMicky

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:25 PM

    Comment #21

    L Toon. Agreed.

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  • frankie

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:27 PM

    Comment #22

    Where’s Atsu as option for MOM?

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  • Novocastrian66

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:30 PM

    Comment #23

    I think the ref got the Perez incident right. Accidental no penalty however he should have stopped the game. The Yedlin incident foul but no sending off.

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  • martoon

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:30 PM

    Comment #24

    Tuff @12 – I can’t agree – if a player tries to tackle in the box and misses the ball and gets the man it is a penalty even though it wasn’t intended as a foul. So surely the same logic applies here?

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  • toonbrother

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:31 PM

    Comment #25

    atsu conveniently left out of the man of the match poll after two great games

    Had it been Ritchie that produced performances like Atsu’s against Everton and wolves, there would have been 10 blog posts extolling his virtues by now

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  • martoon

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:38 PM

    Comment #26

    toonbrother @25 – A bit of a conspiracy theory there – I think it is a simple case of an error by Ed – I don’t think he has an agenda against Atsu. Incidentally I agree with you he has played well in both games and he was probably my MotM yesterday.

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  • toonbrother

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:40 PM

    Comment #27

    Lascelles and lejeune very worked well and saved us from relegation
    Lascelles and Fernandez works very well
    Lascelles and Clark worked quite well earning a number of clean sheets
    Lejeune and Clark was a disaster
    Fernandez and Schar was a disaster as we saw vs West Ham

    It doesn’t take a genius to see the common link across our most successful central defensive partnerships

    Unfortunately many fans are too biased and blinkered to see what’s staring them in face

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  • jonnyshaw85

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:41 PM

    Comment #28

    I’ve just read the following in the Chronicle about what Mark Clattenburg said when agreeing with Mike Dean’s decision (or none decision) on the elbow:

    It was not a deliberate attempt to elbow the striker. Boly was jumping naturally for the ball and Dean – who had a clear view of the incident – was right not to punish the defender.

    How can he argue that Dean had a clear view when Dean himself told Perez that only the ball hit his face???

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  • Essex Geordie Bill

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:42 PM

    Comment #29

    It’s going to be interesting to see if Refs. are kinder to us after Ashley finally goes.

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  • toonbrother

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:43 PM

    Comment #30

    Now If we are playing at the back (which we’ve only started doing recently) I agree Schar should be one of the first names on the team sheet

    In a back four he’d be my 5th choice behind lascelles lejeune Fede and Dummett

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  • Chancel be a fine thing

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:44 PM

    Comment #31

    When the defender is in the air the ball is passing him so he is using his elbow for leverage to twist his body to follow the ball. If he didn’t know Perez was there then it could be called accidental. But nevertheless it’s a foul and certainly prevented a clear header on goal with power, certainly a better goal scoring opportunity than Jota’s who still had a lot to do IMO.

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  • toonbrother

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:45 PM

    Comment #32

    jonnyshaw85
    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:41 PM
    Comment #28

    These refs clearly have a pact to stick together and defend each other’s terrible decisions . No way is clattenburg genuinely that stupid

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  • Nostra Magpie

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:46 PM

    Comment #33

    As I said yesterday the rule states that if a player deliberately stops another player with a goal scoring opportunity then it’s a red card.
    Does not matter what happened just before and covering players.
    For me having Dubs in goal and Jamaal coming into view it was silly tugging at his shirt, yes the kid went down like he had been hit by a tank but the kid still had to beat the keeper.
    As for the Perez incident, I watched it over and over again, I saw the player look over knowing one of our players was coming in, he 100% knew what he was doing.
    But going down to ten men is the main reason we lost that game, before that we were in control.
    God that hope this purchase happens soon, we 100% need at least four new players.

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  • Bambams

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:50 PM

    Comment #34

    Essex #29

    Spot on, I have thought it for years.
    Refs and the PL obviously preferred us when we were the Entertainers rather than now.

    All the bad press ‘re ashLIE and his SD then zero hour contracts, protests etc…..

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  • barkel

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:51 PM

    Comment #35

    jonnyshaw85@28

    The only way I can see that as an excuse for Dean is if he has only looked at the ball in flight and not what the players are doing, after the blatant elbow the ball does hit Perez in the face

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  • kc2012

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:56 PM

    Comment #36

    I’ve seen people saying online that Boly didn’t know Perez was there Yesterday lol.

    It doesn’t matter weather he saw him or not it’s still an elbow to the chops and very dangerous play which left Perez with a head injury (game should’ve been stopped atleast). It’s like saying ‘I flying spin kicked a players head off but didn’t mean to do it because I was looking at his feet’ so I can’t be punished.

    Anyway on this article, I’d say Fernandez is by far our best CB followed by a fit Lejuenne.

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  • Jib

    Dec 10, 2018 at 1:57 PM

    Comment #37

    Essex Geordie Bill
    Refs don’t have issues with owners
    they do with managers , big time.
    Mike Dean
    has previous issues with many
    managers.
    He’s also an Evertonian none of whom
    like Rafa Benitez

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  • jonnyshaw85

    Dec 10, 2018 at 2:01 PM

    Comment #38

    barkel @ Comment #35

    Exactly, which is what i think Dean has done (watched only the ball as you would do in that case – can’t have eyes all over); it would be interesting to know what his decision would have been had he seen it whch is how the FA and these experts should be looking at it.

    The experts saying he made the right decision are wrong because he didn’t make a decision because he didn’t see the incident.

    I wonder how fit Dummett is (or isn’t) because surely he would have been the better replacement to put into the back 3; he has been excellent as CB when I have seen him play before. But then there is the question of why was he on the bench if he couldn’t be brought on?

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  • cyprus

    Dec 10, 2018 at 2:03 PM

    Comment #39

    I’d go with Schar and Schar (Fernandez). Lascelles is imposing and may come good, but now he’s prone to more lapses.

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  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Dec 10, 2018 at 2:05 PM

    Comment #40

    From my view on the Gallowgate – I sit directly in line of the incident Yedlin had every right to foul him as he was being pulled down by the shirt which made him stumble as he tried to get between the ball and man –

    what was he meant to do let the guy go on and maybe score. tough decision – me I would of pulled him down

    Was he last man – not sure as Lascalles was coming across to cover – not sure if he would of got there tho

    Do the linesmen actually do anything as he could clearly see the shirt pull
    On their goals someone mentioned off-side – have not seen the goals on screen but in real time sitting in Gallowgate both looked a tad close to being off-side

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