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Kinnear Ready To Unload Dead Wood In January

It appears that Joe Kinnear will also try to sell in January, if he can get players to move out, and have the receiving clubs pay their high wages.

Ashley – supporting Kinnear fully in transfer market

In his meeting with Mike Ashley last week Joe Kinnear said that he was also in the market to sell, after telling Mike Ashley that his squad was carrying far too much dead wood.

Joe said that Mike talked about some of the fringe players in the Newcastle squad and asked if they could do the job, and Joe told him his opinion on each one of them.

Joe said today:

“He said ‘what about him, him and him?’” “I said ‘not good enough’ and he said ‘OK’.”

“If I can shift three or four of those players out, great. But we’ve got them and it’s difficult for me to shift them.”

“Who’s going to come and take them and their wages?”

That’s always been a difficulty of unloading players from Newcastle – we pay them too much money.  And that’s created some classic examples of players not wanting to leave because they don’t want to take a wage cut, with Spaniard Marcelino Elano being the best example of them all.

He was bought by Ruud Gullit for around £6M in the summer of 1999, left three years later, and appeared just 17 times for the club.

We’d love to know who those three or four players are, who Joe thinks are not good enough.

Our guess would be Alan Smith, David Edgar, Caludio Cacapa and Geremi, and we could get some decent money for Smith and Geremi.

What do you think?

Comments welcome.

252 comments so far

  • Tom_Toon

    Dec 7, 2008 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #1

    Wouldnt sell Geremi at all.

    Edgar, Cacapa, Smith and Carroll and more reluctantly we should let Owen (he is gonna leave anyway) and Harper go too.

  • Keith

    Dec 7, 2008 at 2:31 PM

    Comment #2

    I agree with those players leaving in jan, dont think they are good enough, and i would then in the summer let butt and viduka leave as well, that should help manage our wage bill

  • k k forever

    Dec 7, 2008 at 2:38 PM

    Comment #3

    joe shud start with his head thats a bit dead

  • Hunwick Mags

    Dec 7, 2008 at 2:47 PM

    Comment #4

    january is not the time to think players out except maybe cacapa, ameobi ….. the problem is with the squad being too small ….sorting the rest of the squad can wait until the summer ….. BUT we do need to do something with regard to the soon too be out of contract players ….. need too make offers on owen, harper,and butt at least !!!!

  • Hadrian

    Dec 7, 2008 at 2:54 PM

    Comment #5

    i dont think JFK has any right to move on players , he will be gone in a few month and the guy comming in may not agree with his thoughts on who is ‘dead wood’

  • MarkMag

    Dec 7, 2008 at 2:55 PM

    Comment #6

    Good to know he has some sense in him Players out in Jan:
    Player in Jan:
    Joao Moutinho
    Miguel Veloso
    Micah Richards
    Diego Buonanotte
    Juan Manuel Vargas
    Gustavo Bou
    Ken Ilsø
    Michael Lumb
    Felix Bastians
    Daniele De Rossi

  • Turkish Magpie

    Dec 7, 2008 at 2:57 PM

    Comment #7

    the heart says keep Harper but the brain says let him go.

    which one do you listen to?

    It’s time to give Krul a chance

  • neeraj

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:07 PM

    Comment #8

    him= cacapa
    him= edgar
    him= ??

  • Marcus

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:07 PM

    Comment #9

    Dead wood:


    Possible dead wood:

    Enrique (simply not good enough)

  • Marcus

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:09 PM

    Comment #10

    I also agree that we should let Harper go. It is time the likes of Krul develop their skills in the 1st team.

  • neeraj

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:12 PM

    Comment #11

    on second thought
    if the players would not be willing to leave then
    coz it is their last pay cheque
    him= cacapa
    him= viduka
    him= duff/smith

  • JonnyNufc

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:12 PM

    Comment #12

    How about that Gonzalez guy?

    Send him back.
    Get rid of Cacapa, Smith & edgar

    Geremi put in a decent performance yesterday id defo kep him for timebeing.

    But to be honest he is a poor mans Solano isnt he.

  • Tom_Toon

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:13 PM

    Comment #13

    Enrique is at present a decent player with very good potential.

  • valle

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:14 PM

    Comment #14

    Cacapa yes, but cant really see why we need to get rid of the rest… If we get rid of Geremi, we will need a new backup for right back as well as a new midfielder. Smith yes, but he is also useable in many positions. Edgar wouldnt free allot of wages and Carroll could still end up a good player.

  • valle

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:14 PM

    Comment #15

    Oh yah, Gonzales should be sent back and Xisco could be sold too.

  • ObaFan2

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:14 PM

    Comment #16

    Sell every player that isn’t a centreback and buy 6 more centrebacks then we can have Given in goal and 10 centrebacks on the pitch…….

    4 centrebacks and two fullbacks on the pitch yesterday lost us points with his negative tactics. We should have gone for the jugular but no….. JFK’s tactics/substitutions suck.

  • lezb

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:15 PM

    Comment #17

    Kettle calling the pot black as far as JKs opinion on who is not good enough.

  • JonnyNufc

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:16 PM

    Comment #18

    We should just try some youngsters in the FA cup, our under 18s just got their 8th sucessive win in a row the other day.

    Give some of them a chance. We never do that at Newcastle Chopra, now Carroll…its pointless. They wont get into the team unless they prove they can do well..and they cant prove theyll do well unless they get a run in the team.

    So we gotta give them a go somehow. We’re never gonna win the Fa cup are we lol.;

  • Alex

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:18 PM

    Comment #19

    read somewhere today that Moyes still wants Smith and will offer 2 million . Hope its true . Cacapa should be got rid of too , nobody will pay for him but if we could give him away it gets him off the payroll . As for the rest we should wait till the summer , there is no point in bringing 3 or 4 in and then release 4 or 5 . We need numbers in otherwise we will not progress

  • Tom_Toon

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:18 PM

    Comment #20

    To be honest you can tell who is going to be decent with the amount of time Carroll and had and he looks a poor player, not to mention he sounds like a right (unt and his attitude is shocking.

  • JonnyNufc

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:19 PM

    Comment #21

    Clubs will buy Cacapa..prob championship clubs. The problem is him agreeing to a contract with them over what hes got here, he never will.

  • Johny

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:19 PM

    Comment #22

    what would be the point in selling owen and harper in jan? if given got injured we’d be knackered, and owen scores when he plays, not interested in a few million £ when relegation costs 30 mil. i’d get rid of geremi and smith def (but only after signing replacements ), hopefully one day we might even replace emre and milner…

  • Daniel

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:20 PM

    Comment #23

    I’m not convinced JK will see Geremi as deadwood, he’s fairly versatile and has had a fair few starts this season. More chance he’ll leave in summer.

    I don’t think JK has even seen Smith train yet has he?

  • Tom_Toon

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:21 PM

    Comment #24

    Alex, ye there is.

    Cacapa – replaced by Kadar
    Harper – replaced by Krul or Forster
    Carroll – replaced by Ranger

    Smith – replaced by new signing (AM)
    Edgar – replaced by new signing (LB)
    Owen – replaced by new signing (ST)

    then one more new signing, a DM.

  • Tom_Toon

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:22 PM

    Comment #25

    Or Smith replaced by Lualua if we dont have the time or money left for an AM, because a DM and LB are the priorities.

  • dan

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:25 PM

    Comment #26

    Dead wood=

    Butt & Viduka (sadly)

    Smith to Everton swop deal coz their poor
    Harper to Spurs £3m

    wat do u guys think

  • hitman

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:26 PM

    Comment #27

    we need to get somthing sorted coz were well and truly in the shite,we need quality players in and i carnt see ashley putting up the cash.


    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:27 PM

    Comment #28

    Id get rid of Harper,Cacapa,Taylor, Edgar,Butt,Duff, Geremi ( Seems that his legs have gone if he couldnt manage 90mins yesterday)Viduka(Only fit when contract’s up)Smith,Ameobi,Xisco and Carroll. Time for Lua Lua, Ranger,Kadar and Tozer and Krul to step up leaving us with

    GK Given
    GK Krul
    GK Forster
    RB Beye
    RB Tozer
    LB Enrique
    LB Sign One!
    CD Bassong
    CD Colocinni
    CD Kadar
    CD Sign One!
    RW Jonas
    RW Lua Lua
    LW NZogbia
    LW Sign One!
    DM Barton
    DM Sign One!
    AM Guthrie
    AM Sign One!
    CF Owen
    CF Ranger
    CF Martins
    CF Sign One!

    12 Players out and 6 in. Plus buy lots of youth prospects. Ding Dang Doo happydays.

  • Brazilian Geordie

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:33 PM

    Comment #30

    Oh well, I friend of mine here in Brazil who supports Norwich just said Matt Pattison was the man of the match against Ipswich.

  • Alex

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:33 PM

    Comment #31

    Tom_Toon i can see your point for the long term , but the position we are in we need players with a bit of experience . fighting a relegation battle is not the time to blood so many youngsters all at once .

  • beyethegreat

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:35 PM

    Comment #32

    turk mag

    i agree

    brazilian geordie

    surely there is someone from your country that has not been discovered yet we could sign

  • iain

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:35 PM

    Comment #33

    smith/duff sold to make some money and clear enough wages to keep owen.

    cacapa/edgar/geremi probably given away for nominal fees.

    in we need a lb , ch or rb and a cm and maybe another winger.

  • Tom_Toon

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:36 PM

    Comment #34

    Alex – They wont be playing much if at all.

    I dont know wy you are so worried about getting rid of player that bar Owen, would barely play 5 games a season when fit.

  • Tom_Toon

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:39 PM

    Comment #35

    The way it at the mo:

    (Krul, Forster)



    (Ranger, ***)-(Xisco, Ameobi)

    *** represents where we need to buy.

  • Ed Harrison

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:42 PM

    Comment #36

    MarkMag – where are we going to get all the money from for those players?

  • iain

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:43 PM

    Comment #37

    the best set up imo is two players for every position with 11 senior players and 11 junior ones ie u21s then have one academy player for gk/defence/mf and attack that you think are good enough for a the odd bit of pl football now and again.


    beye collo ??????? ???????
    ???? taylor bassong enrique

    jonas barton butt ???????
    ????? guthrie ??? Nzogbia

    owen martins
    shola ???????


  • Dannufc

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:47 PM

    Comment #38

    we need a new left winger too i mean n zog is good but he still seems to dissappear too often an he has not made an assist in quite a while. Saying that i do have faith in him.

    we were crap secong half because of those awful subs do we have no youth products?

  • iain

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:51 PM

    Comment #39

    zog set up one of martins last goals

  • iain

    Dec 7, 2008 at 3:52 PM

    Comment #40

    do need another winger though one who could switch wings during games which is one thing the zog canoont really do well

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