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Harper Contract Could Signal End For Tim Krul

Kinnear has made it very clear today that he would like to keep reserve goalkeeper Steve Harper, which is the first time he’s said that.

Steve Harper, Newcastle’s excellent reserve goalkeeper

Joe Kinnear told the Newcastle Evening Chronicle today:

“Harps has a contract that needs to be sorted out.” “Steve would probably be playing somewhere else, and who is there to say he would not be the England goalkeeper?”

“Shay’s the Irish national goalkeeper, and Harps would certainly be in with a shout with the England set-up.”

“I’m obviously aware of that, but I wouldn’t like to lose him, that’s for sure.”

We also believe Steve could have been knocking on the England door if he was a regular Premier League goalkeeper somewhere else, but he’s prepared to stay at his local club, even though it has stopped his career advancement, because of the great Shay Given.

Newcastle’s goalkeeping position is strong with Harper, Given, Krul (20), Fraser Forster (20) and Ole Soderburg (18) top goalkeepers, some of them still in the making.

Speaking on his strong goalkeeping squad, Kinnear added today:

“That’s probably the strongest position we’ve got at the club.” “They (Given and Harper) are both very talented goalkeepers

“That’s one position I can go to bed at night and not worry about, because we have got two world-class goalkeepers.

“I would love to keep it that way.”

Harper had talked earlier about wanting to stay at the club:

“I’ve really enjoyed the last two years, as I played over 20 games.” “This year’s been very difficult. I haven’t been able to get a game yet, so it’s important to keep ticking over.”

“I had a good pre-season where I played in a lot of the matches.” “I got a game in for the reserves last month at Wigan, and it was important to get one in this month.”

“I was only too happy to play in the reserves.” “Shay’s obviously had a very difficult two years with injuries, but he looks to be over that now.”

“He’s got the shirt, and while he stays fit and keeps doing well, that’s the way it’s going to be.”

But we do think if Steve Harper is signed to a new contract, then ambitious young Dutchman Tim Krul, could be on his way in January.

The Newcastle club could get £2M for the youngster, who almost went to Feyenoord last summer, but that move was blocked at the last minute by Dennis Wise.

We wouldn’t be at all surprised if Krul moves on next month, as we’ve said before, and although he’s an excellent young goalkeeper there’s just no first team future for him at Newcastle for a number of seasons.

We think his ambition will cause Tim to move on to pastures anew.

Comments welcome.

26 comments so far


    Dec 11, 2008 at 12:36 PM

    Comment #1

    Could earn us some money for much needed transfers of zentral midfielders! Let krul go, we have enought youngsters…

  • KK FOREVER (Ross)

    Dec 11, 2008 at 12:38 PM

    Comment #2

    Harper is an excellent goal keeper and incredibly loyal to the club, but i find it hard to really understand the decision if this turns out to be the case.
    Its been said hundreds of times he’s an excellent goalkeeper, surely he deserves his chance of first team football, even if its forced to be at another premier league side?
    With Krul coming through and looking a real talent (i’ve mates who are Falkirk fans my age and say he’s comfortably one of the best gk’s theyve ever seen in nets for them) surely its smarter to keep him, and give him his chance when deserved?
    Remember his performance in the uefa cup when he was thrown in last minute?, outstanding.

  • The Alchemist

    Dec 11, 2008 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #3

    I would let harper move on. Of course he has been brilliant for us but he should show some ambition and try and get a first team place some where… He might even earn an england cap!

  • Fergie

    Dec 11, 2008 at 12:50 PM

    Comment #4

    Its time for Harps to move on. Tim Krul is the future. Harper is not. Simple as that. We can either let Harper leave for nothing now or wait 4/5 years and then have to fork out for a replacement for Shay which would be complete stupidity, seeing as we already have one.

  • Little Willie

    Dec 11, 2008 at 12:51 PM

    Comment #5

    It won’t be Kinnear’s decision at the end of the day as he won’t be here next season.

  • Xisco Stu

    Dec 11, 2008 at 1:02 PM

    Comment #6

    For the amount we could receive, we could get for a loan deal with a similar make-up to Alex’s when he was at PSV from Chelsea whilst he waited for a work permit.

    Basically we’d get £2m, or maybe a little less and he makes a move that is essentially permanent to another club. We then have a clause inserted in the deal that allows us to buy him back at a set price which may be dependent upon how much we receive initially but will not come into effect for a certain amount of time, say 2 years.

    This way Krul gets to spend a good length of time playing regular football and can continue his development in terms of his ability and reputation. We get some money, but don’t lose one of the best talents in the world for next to nothing and can still bring him back if he’s a better option then Forster or whoever else.

    Otherwise we buy him back purely to sell him on at a much greater price then the current £2m being bandied about.

    As I said, Chelsea used it to get a work permit, Real Madrid have used it many times for their younger players, so why don’t we?!

    (Although that’s a stupid question with Llambias in charge).


    Dec 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM

    Comment #7

    Why let Krul go he could end up one of the worlds best goalkeepers. If we are planning on bringing in the best youth players then Krul for the future of Newcastle United needs to be promoted to number 2! Has JK any faith in youth? The answer looks like no! So how does that help keep to what MA and DW plan on building youth as our future?If Krul is to leave I hope we get at least a 50percent sell on clause or a first option of a buy back clause.

  • Darling27

    Dec 11, 2008 at 1:13 PM

    Comment #8

    Time for Harper to move on. Krul is the future!!! We’ve already got enough old players at the club that have got stale that we have too much faith in!!!

  • The Entertainers

    Dec 11, 2008 at 1:26 PM

    Comment #9

    What a choice!

    Harper deserves our respect and support and a contract should be given.

    The problem is i believe Krul is a star in the making and would love to see him stay.

    However if he moves on then lets get a decent price with a 30 – 40 % sell on fee.

  • Fergie

    Dec 11, 2008 at 1:33 PM

    Comment #10

    I agree that if we keep Harper, then we should ‘loan’ Krul out on a rolling contract for 2/3/4 years, until he is needed and so that he can progress and gain valuable experience. Selling him with a first option ‘buy back’ clause would also be a good option. However, such is the level of incompetence that the Newcasle board possesses, I doubt that they would be able to think that one through. For the last decade we have never got the youth/experience balance right, and that is down to the hierarchy and constant changes of manager. From Keegan scrapping the reserves to Robson only buying for the future, to Graeme ‘you’ll win nothing with 11 milners’ Souness, then on to Allardyce and Kinnear, only interested in the present. Failure to remove minimum fee release clauses in the likes of Owen and Martins’ contracts does not instill any confidence that they will get it right with Krul. It doesn’t matter whether you like Harper as a person or not. This is about a bigger issue… the future of this football club.

  • Tomasi

    Dec 11, 2008 at 1:43 PM

    Comment #11

    Does anyone else think that they really want to sell Harper and by touting him as being “a top keeper” and “England quality” they are simply trying to get his price up?

    Or am I being far too cynical?

  • Nick

    Dec 11, 2008 at 2:47 PM

    Comment #12

    If Krul goes, Kinnear needs shooting.

    Kinnear has already shown he won’t give any of the kids a go.

    JK is just an old school manager and keeping Harper ( great keeper that he is ) at 33 instead of possibly the best young keeper in the world who Chelsea were sniffing after, would be just crass stupidity.

    Signing Krul was the only thing Souness got right.

  • HeronMag

    Dec 11, 2008 at 3:15 PM

    Comment #13

    Fraser Forster gets some good reviews too.

  • Ian

    Dec 11, 2008 at 3:19 PM

    Comment #14

    Actually I would sell Shay, keep Harper, Krull and Forster.

    I really like Shay, he has been brilliant for us, but sometimes it is a good idea to sell a player before they have no value, I also would have sold Shearer before he retired and Owen last Summer.

  • Ian

    Dec 11, 2008 at 3:55 PM

    Comment #15

    Krul is definately the business, Forster has the makings but needs a little more time to see how he develops.

    One thing about not so brilliant teams the keepers tend to be decent, shame we couldnt spot decent young defenders as well too.

    Do we have a scout dedicated to keepers, if so who are they? They have done a brilliant job.

  • Whumpie

    Dec 11, 2008 at 4:08 PM

    Comment #16

    Tomasi – I agree, now you’ve raised it.

    But let’s be realistic – both Given and Harper are in the last few years of their top-flight careers, and we have found one of the few youngsters who looks capable of taking over. So loan Krull out, I say, and protect your asset.

  • Michael

    Dec 11, 2008 at 4:12 PM

    Comment #17

    We have no proof of how good those other two young keepers are, but we’ve seen first hand how good Krul is. I’d let the other two go before we sell him.
    Maybe it would be best for all parties if Harper moved on. He deserves the chance to be a premier league regular before he retires.

  • Tom_Toon

    Dec 11, 2008 at 4:26 PM

    Comment #18

    Sell either Given or Harper in Jan, we’d get just as much for Harper in Jan as we would for Krul, but we wont be losing an immense talent at the same time!

  • JonnyNufc

    Dec 11, 2008 at 5:14 PM

    Comment #19

    Id let Harper move on.

    The guy is a brilliant goalkeeper….Given has always been considered to be better regardless of whether he justified that or not.

    Harper has made some equally outstanding saves also.

    I think the guy deserves to go to another club & get first team games now. Krul can come in for him..

  • Piers

    Dec 11, 2008 at 5:50 PM

    Comment #20

    Ya what a terrible idea…….let’s sell a tremendous talent for next nothing!!……Why?!!

  • nightfall

    Dec 11, 2008 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #21

    i’d sell harper..or loan krul…but IF we’re planning to sell krul…don’t forget about “buy back clause”!!!

  • D.C.

    Dec 11, 2008 at 8:55 PM

    Comment #22

    Two words: Buy-back clause. Or here’s a couple more: Two-year loan.

    Otherwise, sell Shay and get Steve on a new contract, or let Steve walk.

  • Ian

    Dec 12, 2008 at 11:11 AM

    Comment #23

    Mad if we sell Krul, where did the youth policy just go??

  • Sim

    Dec 12, 2008 at 2:59 PM

    Comment #24

    We’ve got to start & look at the future – Regretably sell Harps and get Krul in and around the first team.
    Within a few years when Shay starts to get past it were going to be looking for a new keeper – why spend mega bucks on someone when we’ve got someone on the books?
    and doesn’t everyone remember Palermo?

  • nu

    Dec 12, 2008 at 4:14 PM

    Comment #25

    i think we should keep harps and play him in all cup matches remember when he played in the fa cup run we got to the final he to loyal and brill we should at least offer a new contaract i think he should go for his carrer i think he could play for engerland soon when in form

  • Punk Skunk

    Dec 13, 2008 at 9:02 AM

    Comment #26

    Sell Given,
    we’d prob get more for him as he ain’t out of contract soon!..


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