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Kinnear – We Must Learn From Our Mistakes

Joe Kinnear has made it clear today that the Newcastle players have to be honest, and learn from their previous mistakes.

Kinnear – players must be honest and learn from mistakes

Joe talked about the second half last Saturday when we amazingly thew away a good 2-0 lead at home:

“We’ve got to learn to shut a match down when we get a good lead and we’ve got to be more resilient.”“It’s the second time we’ve been 2-1 up.”

“It was the same as Wigan, when Titus Bramble scored, and again a centre-half has done us in the 90th minute against Stoke.”

“We’ve got to learn from it – and we have to be honest.” “People have got to take the responsibility.”

“It was job done against Stoke on Saturday at 2-0 up.” “Stoke’s main threat, in Rory Delap with the long throws, hadn’t worked and they were trying other things.”

“Then he was subbed and it should have been game over – we should have shut it down.” “But we didn’t. We left it open and they hit back at us.”

We were more than a little disappointed when we conceded that second goal after 90 minutes against Stoke last Saturday, because we really needed those 3 points so much.

But Joe’s right, in that it’s now over, and we have to move on – it’s water under the bridge.  But the lads also have to learn from this, and indeed from every game they play. That’s how they can improve individually, and as a team.

But also, to be fair to the players, the team has not had a lot of luck recently, and these things do tend to level themselves out over a full season.

So if the defense plays well on Sunday, and we do have a little luck, there’s no reason why we cannot get our first away win of the season.

That has to be our goal. in any case.

Comments welcome.

26 comments so far

  • lesh

    Dec 11, 2008 at 12:53 PM

    Comment #1

    Never a truer word Joe.

    Assuming a lead, please don’t try to shut the shop too early and invite attacks.

    Wonder if Joe’s thought about the old adage that says when the ball’s in the opposition half, they can’t score?

    While keeping the defence intact, attack, attack, attack Joe!!

  • Charles Ma

    Dec 11, 2008 at 12:57 PM

    Comment #2

    our ex defenders keep scoring against us.
    Anyway, I have no idea why did we release faye!
    He played well for us!
    he is way better than cacapa!

  • The Alchemist

    Dec 11, 2008 at 1:08 PM

    Comment #3

    JFK you should learn from YOUR mistakes… Shutting up shop doesn’t seem to work for us so we should continue to attack until the final whistle.. thus taking the pressure off of our defence!

  • Spyro

    Dec 11, 2008 at 1:09 PM

    Comment #4

    “Shutting up shop doesn’t seem to work for us”

    …Chelsea & Boro?

  • Spyro

    Dec 11, 2008 at 1:11 PM

    Comment #5

    We limited Stoke to about 3 chances and they took two. However, it was poor tactics by JK to defend DEEP against Stoke as that is exactly how they like their opposition to play. That way they can pile people forward and play their pathetic numbers game, which they have almost perfected by the way.

  • Spyro

    Dec 11, 2008 at 1:15 PM

    Comment #6

    What is with the annoying teenage flirting website that keeps popping up on here? Sort it out Ed.

  • cicero

    Dec 11, 2008 at 1:24 PM

    Comment #7

    Sorry Joe but the mistake was yours not the players. All you needed to do against Stoke when Guthrie went off was put on Viduka, tuck the Zog in field with Martins playing slightly left. It would have frightened the S**t out of them and kept them in their half. We need to be more positives when playing c**p like Stoke.

  • JP...from The Rock

    Dec 11, 2008 at 1:41 PM

    Comment #8

    JFK has a point BUT he missed to point out that we can’t defend deep at home to weaker teams like Stoke FFS!! I hate this deep defending..we’ve never been good at defending we are better maintaining the other team and restricting them to their own half rather than inviting attacks from all angles and trying to defend against every threat. We always tend to shoot ourselves on the foot!

    PS.. It isn’t only ex-defenders that score against us but EVERY EX-PLAYER SCORES AGAINST US!! LOOK IT UP!!!

  • AO

    Dec 11, 2008 at 3:30 PM

    Comment #9

    Just got a bollocking of the missus because she thought i was flirting with kids because of this bloody pop up site.

  • Bill F (Original)

    Dec 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM

    Comment #10

    I don’t get that popping up but it is probably one of 12 blocked. So the answer is probably in your own hands (phnarr phnarr) lads. Use your pop up blocker.

  • The Alchemist

    Dec 11, 2008 at 3:44 PM

    Comment #11

    “Shutting up shop doesn’t seem to work for us”

    “…Chelsea & Boro?”

    City, wigan, stoke… and almost drawing with WBA

  • Whumpie

    Dec 11, 2008 at 4:04 PM

    Comment #12

    The line “We’ve got to learn to shut a match down when we get a good lead” is scary, and shows that he’s still living in the 1990s. We have never and should never try to shut a game down to protect a lead.

    Going out against Chelski to get a 0-0 is one thing, but to defend deep against the likes of Stoke is asking for trouble and I don’t understand why any manager tries it.

    Keep attacking until the final whistle – THAT’S how you win at this club.

  • Tom_Toon

    Dec 11, 2008 at 4:31 PM

    Comment #13

    JFK shut your fat gob you bluddy idiot!

    You need to learn from your mistakes you clueless (unt!

  • spiny Norman

    Dec 11, 2008 at 4:47 PM

    Comment #14

    “They call him mellow yellow….”


  • JonnyNufc

    Dec 11, 2008 at 5:20 PM

    Comment #15

    “Shut a match down”

    Shows his true mentality on it.

    Hes still thinking as he did at wimbledon…..not realising our squad has complete different strengths.

    Shutting a match down signifies that he will give up on attacking when we go ahead and simply try to stop the opposition creating either.

    Not good……

    At the game the crowd should just tell him to attack constantly because hes not gonna get it any other way.

  • craig chisholm

    Dec 11, 2008 at 5:25 PM

    Comment #16

    wow, more stunning words of wisdom for the almighty jk – ‘we must learn from our mistakes’. JESUS CHRIST!!! give me strength!!

  • nightfall

    Dec 11, 2008 at 6:13 PM

    Comment #17

    Tom_Toon – interesting choice of words 😀 i agree with you mate

  • lezb

    Dec 11, 2008 at 7:24 PM

    Comment #18

    Lead by example Joe, learn from YOUR mistakes then you can ask others to do the same.Dont insist on putting the cart before the horse.Look to yourself before you look to blame others.

  • hanzowen

    Dec 11, 2008 at 8:07 PM

    Comment #19

    JK must learn his mistakes which costed us dear many f*****g game points. How many more? Though players must take some blames as well.

  • Nick

    Dec 11, 2008 at 8:24 PM

    Comment #20

    Let’s hope Joe learns from his tactical mistakes.

    if he hasn’t got it after Wigan and Stoke then he never will !!!

    JK is starting to adopt the Souness / Allardyce policy of blaming everyone else but himself.

  • Nick

    Dec 11, 2008 at 8:26 PM

    Comment #21

    Why the hell is he trying to shut a match down after only 45 mins !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • craig chisholm

    Dec 11, 2008 at 8:31 PM

    Comment #22

    isnt it obvious nick, he is a knobber and a washed up chancer. i dont support manure but i love the way they go after it all the way to the death. look at our pathetic pile of shite! i can not belive that so many on here were sucked in by jk’s used car sales patter. i bet its wearing off now lads and lasses!!

  • Partizan

    Dec 11, 2008 at 8:32 PM

    Comment #23

    I understand the last 15 minutes,but the whole 2nd half…..its way too pointless and way too cowardly,especially with someone like Stoke.

  • selly no skill

    Dec 11, 2008 at 10:04 PM

    Comment #24

    we are certainly playin a better team on saturday than stoke.so we seem to play with a different mentallity against better teams.i.e villa,city.jfk is right about shutting the game down when 2-0 up and we need to learn it quick.you shouldnt have to score 3-4 goals to win a game.our problem was we sat back too too much.why defend deep against a team with no pace.we shuld have played the second half in the middle of the park.

  • craig chisholm

    Dec 11, 2008 at 10:15 PM

    Comment #25

    selly no skill…………no-one shuts up shop at the end of the first half. besides, make your mind up, first you say jk was right to do it then you say we sat back to much. with a shit team like stoke we should have nailed the arse off them all game, never let up. jk has not brains or balls and its killing us. attack is the very best form of defence against teams like stoke, jk proved that, we atacked on first 45 and we nailed them, in the second we sat back and got what we deserved, a slap in the chops. now if we wre 2 nil up against a top team then yes, close it down, it was STOKE ffs!!!

  • Sav

    Dec 12, 2008 at 3:14 AM

    Comment #26

    We have serious about the danger that we could get relegated and that we are tipped by many to be in the 3 for the drop come May. We have had a good few of the easier games in this first half of the season. The top 4 have all still to visit SJP where we have thrown points away to survival rivals.
    There has to be investment wisely spent. Otherwise another couple of injuries and we are in deep trouble. And if contracts are allowed to lapse, we can hardly look forward to a ‘backs to the wall’ scrap from those players in the final weeks.
    The same gaps in the squad KK highlighted still exist. I am not very excited by any of the LBs we have been linked with. None of them seem to meet the criteria JFK said he was after. As for midfielders, I’ve not heard any and wait to be surprised. JFK has had his summit meeting and sounds no more confident or enlightened than before, although his attitude of ‘living in hope’ is commendable.
    Those who urge the introduction of Ranger and LusLua need their heads seeing to. Although if we are relegated to the Championship we may get to see them soon enough.


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