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Newcastle Likely To Settle With Keegan Out Of Court

There have been hints in the past that Mike Ashley would settle out of court with Kevin Keegan, and now the case is due to be heard early next month.


Kevin Keegan – Ashley to settle out of court?

This morning, the Sunday Sun is reporting that Ashley seems ready to do a deal with Kevin before the tribunal even starts.

It seems like both sides are keen to head off any showdown, and the Newcastle United club are now expected to agree to some pay-off  for Keegan. Can you imagine the media frenzy at the tribunal if no agreement has been reached?

That will hardly be good for Newcastle or Keegan, and it’s the last thing we want to see, because there’s been too much of that surrounding Newcastle this season, that’s for sure.

Keegan is claiming £8M from Newcastle for constructive dismissal, while the club have counter-claimed and are demanding £2M from Keegan for breach of contract.

If the case does go ahead and is not settled before the tribunal begins, it would be heard in private by a three-man Premier League arbitration panel, and it would not be heard in public.

The likelihood is that the case will be settled before the case comes to trial, and that would be good.  But why has Ashley waited this long to settle?  Surely it would have been better to get this thing settled a few months back.

But we’d still like to know what exactly happened that caused Kevin to leave Newcastle, because that was a huge blow to the club, and we don’t even want to think where we’d be in the league right now, if Kevin had stayed and had been fully supported by the Newcastle Board.

Don’t forget we got 4 points from our first 3 league games, and had beaten Coventry in the Carling Cup, before Kevin left.

If an agreement is reached The Sunday Sun is reporting that the arbitration panel will still sit, but only to formally ratify whatever has been agreed between Keegan and the Newcastle United club.

Comments welcome.

56 comments so far

  • valle

    Feb 15, 2009 at 10:28 AM

    Comment #1

    That hard cold facts of the matter is that KK has always walked out on any job he ever had… He has a troubled football circus and are 4 million in debt on that account as far as i can gather… As much as we love KK for what he helped doing the first time around, he is in no way innocent in all of this, even if DL and DW was getting on his nerves… Furthermore, demanding 8 MILL from the club is absolutly insane, he walked out himself, and it is us the fans who will have to pay for his debts if he gets anything near that amount.

  • DanToon

    Feb 15, 2009 at 10:29 AM

    Comment #2

    Wipe my arse with the Sun!

  • valle

    Feb 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM

    Comment #3

    that = the ofc*

  • nufc1818

    Feb 15, 2009 at 10:59 AM

    Comment #4

    i agree completely mate!
    it just shows how much he really cares about the club
    i dont respect him AT ALL anymore
    everyone says that they are doing it quietly out of court cos the board have something to hide but has anyone thought it could be keegan not wanting it to be in the press…. NO
    cos he is the great messiah of course cant slate him for what he has done
    because in all honesty he has left the club in a mess it shows where his loyalities lie
    yes ashley has made mistakes
    but so has keegan but he doesnt get the endless hatred
    now this protest before the everton match is just ridiculous unsettling the players AGAIN.
    and make geordies look thick again
    well i will not be taking part in the protest but make sure you get the write spellings on your banners this time boys 😐

  • geordie jock

    Feb 15, 2009 at 11:36 AM

    Comment #5

    The true facts will never come out. The out of court settlement will probably insist Keegan keeps his mouth shut amd Ashley will give us some cock and bull story.

  • Alex

    Feb 15, 2009 at 11:45 AM

    Comment #6

    i will just be pleased when the KK episode is finally put to an end . its been dragging the club down for far too long and i am sick of it . Let them reach a settlement so the club can concentrate on moving on .

  • Stardust

    Feb 15, 2009 at 12:31 PM

    Comment #7

    I believe there will only be 2 outcomes. Ashley wins the case or it is burried with NO compensation paid to KK.

    The club financial accounts will be issued in time. If a payment is made to KK then it is tantamount to an admission of some wrong, so I expect it not to be made. If a deal such as that was going to be made it would have been made before the recent PR releases and before the accounts – no better time to burry bad news than in a war.

    So in summary – irrespective of this useless Journalism – it will be an Ashley victory or an agreement to call it quits on boths sides without payment being made.

  • Toon_Ksk (Huh? u mean David Craig is real?)

    Feb 15, 2009 at 12:32 PM

    Comment #8

    Surely the club must have done KK wrong for him to walk away and then coming back to sue the management. Can we blame him for walking away? Well, you can, but not after the complete truth has been made known. Fact is, if the ongoings are too shady to be revealed, the truth will be covered up and never be revealed. Meanwhile, you can all blame KK for walking out.

  • Toon_Ksk (Huh? u mean David Craig is real?)

    Feb 15, 2009 at 12:35 PM

    Comment #9

    Stardust, KK is having a court case with the management of the club, a settlement out of court means some form of monetary compensation must be made to KK in order for him to drop the lawsuit. It is impossible for both sides to agree something without any payment.

  • Stardust

    Feb 15, 2009 at 12:49 PM

    Comment #10

    Toon KSK No thats incorrect – they just dont go ahead with the proceedings – a settlement need not be made and the proceedings are dropped.

    They had confidentiality agreements before the fall out and they stand to this point and I imagine will be future proofed too.

    At the minute its only a tribunal too. Anyway youre assumptions are a little off.

  • Toon_Ksk (Huh? u mean David Craig is real?)

    Feb 15, 2009 at 12:53 PM

    Comment #11

    It just a possible assumption, just like yours. I’ll still disagree with your pov though.

  • valle

    Feb 15, 2009 at 1:19 PM

    Comment #12

    Toon_Ksk (Huh? u mean David Craig is real?) // Feb 15, 2009 at 12:32 PM

    Surely the club must have done KK wrong for him to walk away and then coming back to sue the management. Can we blame him for walking away? Well, you can, but not after the complete truth has been made known. Fact is, if the ongoings are too shady to be revealed, the truth will be covered up and never be revealed. Meanwhile, you can all blame KK for walking out.

    We all have diagreements in life, we just handle them different. But dosnt it tell you something that everywhere KK has gone, he has walked out?… I mean is it the entire world that is wrong and KK is right?… People are kiddin themselves if they beleive KK is after anything but money in this case, and he couldnt give sh*t about us or the club he was supposed to love… He wants 8 mill from the club ffs!!!, who do you think will suffer?, where will that money come from?… You can bet that if 8 mill were to disapeer, then there would be 8 mill less for transfers… KK does not deserve ANY affection from the toon army… If you want a former manager who is a geordie hero, look to Sir Bobby. Even after his disgracefull dismissal by FFS, he still comes to every match he can muster while fighting cancer as well… NOW THATS A HERO

  • debaser

    Feb 15, 2009 at 1:27 PM

    Comment #13

    Some people seem to have a tenuous grasp of the relevant legal matters, and really shouldn’t make silly assumptions.

    This case was never going to be heard at an employment tribunal due to the compensation amount; if this case is settled out of court, which in lieu of it being heard at a tribunal mediation hearing (whereby the Appellant and Respondent have an informal hearing with a judicial judge in an attempt to make a preliminary settlement) simply means an admission of guilt on the part of the Respondent – you CANNOT settle out of such a court without renumeration to the Appellant i.e. either reinstatement of their previous job title and/or financial compensation.

    So please, if you are going to speak with a misguided air of authority on such matters, be prepared to be ‘shot down’ so to speak.

  • workyticket

    Feb 15, 2009 at 1:36 PM

    Comment #14

    Stardust, yer right. It would be stupid for Ashley to settle out of court, otherwise the idiots will just take this as an admission of guilt.

  • clinta

    Feb 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM

    Comment #15

    If the club settles with KK out of court will never hear the real story behind what happened…

  • Tommy_PA

    Feb 15, 2009 at 2:08 PM

    Comment #16

    Here we go again with the “Keegan is a quitter” routine, there’s always two points of view and there is always an argument that he stood up and did the right thing or didn’t fight hard enough and walked away.

    Whatever the case my reasoning is that Keegan in the past has been up front with the fans.

    The splits with NUFC have involved:

    1) The Shepherd/Hall empire, so for all of those who are so adamant about Keegan’s wrongdoing there, look at who the competition is in that case.

    2) The current regime, which financial arguments aside, have been less than honest and up front.

    A settlement out of court is about risk and image, can you risk the maximum payout if you lose and the damage it causes to reputation etc. I don’t think either thinks they can take the risk, remembering that Keegan could stand to lose a substantial amount as well as the club (and therefore Ashley).

    I am sure a requirement will be a confidentiality agreement, so yes we will probably never know. I guess we could find out if Ashley sold and the new regime did not care about the agreement at that point, but I’ll leave that to legal boys….

  • workyticket

    Feb 15, 2009 at 2:13 PM

    Comment #17

    It will end up going to the High Court for final arbitration.

  • debaser

    Feb 15, 2009 at 3:15 PM

    Comment #18

    It will be held, if it gets that far, at a PFA tribunal hearing. You cannot just escalate a hearing to the High court, you have to go through the requisite channels e.g. an Industrial Injuries appeal would go through the Tribunals Service, and then unto the Upper Tribunal (formally known as the Commissioners Office).

    As previously stated, unless you have a decent grasp of employment law, or any legal standpoint for that matter, you only serve to highlight your lack of understanding. Stop googling for information and read up a bit more.

  • geordie deb

    Feb 15, 2009 at 3:33 PM

    Comment #19

    plenty of businesses make out of court settlements to ex employees just to get them out of their hair and quietly deal with the situation. I think no matter the rights and wrongs of the case, for the good of the club and to make sure the focus stays on premiership survival rather then dealing with a media feeding frenzy the club should come to some agreement with KK so everyone can put the whole sorry episode behind them. Keegan is an idol to me I remember standing in the Gallowgate for his first match when he joined as a player etc etc and the best times watching newcastle were when he was manager first time round, but I can’t help but feel let down by him this time as he left us in a really dificult situation, no matter what the circumstances he was dealing with. Jesus we all have to put up with c*ap every day but you have to get on with it. Lets hope it comes to a close soon and we can put it behind us.
    On another note what are the protesters thinking – can’t we just all get behind the club? For the first time in months some positive vibes are starting to happen and some people still want to have their say no matter how that is portrayed yet again in the media. Well these people don’t represent my views and frankly I’m ashamed that they feel vindicated to do this

  • workyticket

    Feb 15, 2009 at 3:34 PM

    Comment #20

    debaser // Feb 15, 2009 at 3:15 PM

    “It will be held, if it gets that far, at a PFA tribunal hearing.”

    Debaser, I know that you condescending little pratt, but I have the feeling that Ashley will fight this case all the way.

  • ObaMartins

    Feb 15, 2009 at 3:35 PM

    Comment #21

    Ashley will settle out of court so as to keep the TRUTH from coming OUT…lets not backstab KK as he is a Newcastle Ledgend….fool’s

  • ObaMartins

    Feb 15, 2009 at 3:37 PM

    Comment #22

    Listening to some of you ignorant fool’s on here you would think Ashley was a Newcastle Ledgend, for crying out loud “WAKE UP”

  • workyticket

    Feb 15, 2009 at 4:31 PM

    Comment #23

    Geordie Deb, if Ashley backs down, he will have no credibility, and the ghost of Keegan will continue to haunt this club and make it suffer. It will flare up like an aggressive tumour every time there is another problem at the club, and knowing Newcastle supporters, there will be many such problems!

  • Stardust

    Feb 15, 2009 at 5:26 PM

    Comment #24


    To my understanding as things stand, Keggan can still walk – a simple withdrawl – its simply a tribunal.

    Or are you claiming at this stage once the wagon is rolling it cant be stopped, because to my understanding thats not the case.

    Furthermore I have taken a number to court for monies owed (different from Employment Law I accept) when the case was getting overly complex and going to involve about 40ks worth of fees to get back 20 with no guarantee that all would costs would be awarded) I simply withdrew.

    Youve confused me – can you clarify? I was simply making a point about outcome not legal technicality – my reading of what you have said is that there is only likely one winner – NUFC?

    Can you clairify?

  • Marty-Toon

    Feb 15, 2009 at 5:32 PM

    Comment #25

    KK taking money from the club…..that is what this is about.
    *He walked out when we needed him dearly
    *Everybody finds it diffocult in their workplace
    to get the help they need from bosses n often their hands are tied
    *My wife lost her job without grounds last year and probably could have sued her boss for good cash but didn`t
    *KK is a winge bag-someone took his dummy out n he cried
    *He walks away from all his jobs-no Backbone i reckon

  • Macas

    Feb 15, 2009 at 5:33 PM

    Comment #26

    Its amazing how many people side with Ashley the liar.

  • Stardust

    Feb 15, 2009 at 5:45 PM

    Comment #27

    Macas because so far he hasnt told a single one. But you have your agenda – crack on.

  • Macas

    Feb 15, 2009 at 5:56 PM

    Comment #28

    Hmmm…I think you have your agenda too as regards Keegan. For the club to come out through Mort and Wise and say Keegan has the final say on transfers, then after the event say it was never the case that Keegan had final say on transfers, then I believe someone is telling porkies somewhere along the line!!

  • debaser

    Feb 15, 2009 at 6:00 PM

    Comment #29

    Workyticket, learn to qualify your statements in future, and then you won’t have to feel you’ve been condescended to, there’s a good lad.

    To Stardust, yes Keegan can indeed withdraw his claim at any stage prior to a tribunal hearing being held. However, Ashley cannot withdraw as he is merely the other party/respondent in the main proceedings.

    If Ashley does indeed choose to settle out of court, people can draw from that any conclusions they wish; you can either believe that Ashley is admitting wrongdoing by such a measure, or simply that he does not wish to engender any more hatred/bad publicity.

  • Stardust

    Feb 15, 2009 at 6:01 PM

    Comment #30

    Simply because its a grey area. Xisco is clearly defined as a Wise signing as he is “one for the future”.

    Keegan had choice on all first teamers, obviously this is where the fallout was – money Keegan wanted for first teamers was spent on a “one for the future”.

    So you weave that into a tissue of lies, personally I think its just a problem to be worked around – I am not even sure whats confusing about it – unless of course you read newspaper headlines and treat them as fact – but I prefer to let the truth out.

  • workyticket

    Feb 15, 2009 at 6:06 PM

    Comment #31

    debaser, try learning not to be so presumptious in future, and try to improve your social skills.

  • batty

    Feb 15, 2009 at 6:09 PM

    Comment #32

    STARDUST has your missus been rideing ashley today

  • Hugh de Payen

    Feb 15, 2009 at 6:10 PM

    Comment #33

    KK claims he was not allowed to do the job he was contractually hired to do and therefore walked out.

    MA claims that KK always knew he would be working with a DoF.

    I suspect both statements are true and the disagreements will be about interpretations of the precise legal jargon in KK’s contract.

    I hope they do settle before the tribunal. That would mean we’ll probably never know the precise details about what went on but the whole issue needs to be closed so that we can move forward.

  • debaser

    Feb 15, 2009 at 6:11 PM

    Comment #34

    Impressive retort young man, and whilst you’ll never aspire to be the next Don DeLillo, I’m sure with required application and due perserverance you’ll go far on a messageboard.

  • Macas

    Feb 15, 2009 at 6:16 PM

    Comment #35

    £6 million is a lot of money for ‘one for the future’, especially when the first team is in such poor shape.

    And only now, after Xisco has played rather poorly so far, do the club come out and claim he is one for the future. Its entirely posible that they are simply covering their backs with this statement. If he was one for the future then why was he placed straight into the first team??

    And where did I ever mention the newspapers? Xisco was hardly a 16 or 17 year old youngster so I’m afraid I’d side with Keegan anyday on this one, especially as he knew the fragile nature of our first team squad only too well, a fact that has unfortunately been proven this season.

  • workyticket

    Feb 15, 2009 at 6:18 PM

    Comment #36

    DeLillo was always a little shallow for my tastes debaser, and I have already progressed much further than a messageboard thankyou.

  • stevep

    Feb 15, 2009 at 6:24 PM

    Comment #37

    KK was fantastic first time round even tho he walked out – 2nd time round he was in it for the money and took the first opportunity to bail out.

  • Hugh de Payen

    Feb 15, 2009 at 6:27 PM

    Comment #38

    FWIW, I don’t think KK was “in it for the money”.

    I will accept that has a reputation for quitting too readily, that he likes his own way, that he has an awful lot of pride and even that he was wrong to walk out, but I do not think he became Newcastle manager just because of the money.

  • debaser

    Feb 15, 2009 at 6:28 PM

    Comment #39

    Glad to see google still working for you young man. Seriously though, read up a bit, self education should always be promoted. Oh, and it’s presumptuous by the way. Ta-ta.

  • workyticket

    Feb 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM

    Comment #40

    stevep // Feb 15, 2009 at 6:24 PM

    “KK was fantastic first time round even tho he walked out – 2nd time round he was in it for the money and took the first opportunity to bail out.”

    I’m not quite so cynical about Keegan, I think that the Arsenal game was some kind of epiphany for him.


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