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This Is What Joe Kinnear Can Learn From Alan Pardew


There’s news in all the local papers this morning that Alan Pardew was key to getting Fab Coloccini to stay at the club.

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Alan Pardew – very good man manager

But it was obvious from Alan’s words about Colo and the fact he chose the Argentine to be the new captain of the club after Kevin Nolan left for West Ham two years ago.

And fans could see the enormous impact Coloccini has on the team when he returned for the last three games of the season and we got 4 points and conceded only two goals in those games at West Ham, QPR and at home to Arsenal.

This is what Coloccini has said:

“Alan has always been a great support to me. Whenever I have needed some advice he has always been around to help me.”

The news is that Pardew kept in communication with Colo after the end of the season, and kept talking to him about how important it was for him to stay at Newcastle – and it seems to have worked because on June 14th Colo announced he was staying at Newcastle.

“I’m not going to move to San Lorenzo now because Newcastle don’t want me to go. I have to respect that decision.”

“I’m a grateful person and Newcastle have given me the opportunity of playing in the Premier League, which is the elite of football – so I will stay at Newcastle.”

It’s great news that Colo is staying, and we dare say that Alan Pardew’s star has risen a bit with the fans,  since Joe Kinnear was appointed, since Alan has handled the situation admirably and with some dignity.

Joe Kinnear has not.

And the main thing in Alan’s favor is that he  kept quiet about things – and that’s something Joe Kinnear could learn from Mr. Pardew.

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98 comments so far

  • hadthetshirt

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:41 AM

    Comment #41

    @21+31 nail on the head.
    Ashley will never win because he got rid of what many see on here the messiah in KK.
    Ashley came in listened to some muppets and thought right I will get you KK.It was doomed from the off.He has made many mistakes along the way and probably more to come,but at least we were going in the right direction.JFK cant work that out yet,but at least he has made attempts to make sure it doesn’t happen again,and getting rid of the dead wood.Maybe he is pushing pardew out in his own way.Time will tell.Let’s wait and see who we buy.

    Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Smith Jimmy Jimmy Smith for the nostalgia cheps in the leazes end were geordies never end

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  • pawl250

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:43 AM

    Comment #42

    Shearer is a god among men when it comes to Newcastle, but he is merely a man.

    1. His time at Newcastle will always be valued.
    2. He had more power than any other figure around the club, that statement alone was wrong.
    3. He is NOT a decent manager, sorry but true.
    4. He really has caused issues, like Keegan due to a dispute with the club. Yet a true supporter would simply stay quiet instead of adding to speculation.
    6. He is a great player no doubt, but it pains me to say is he a great person?! Niall Quinn, pains me to say this btw gave ALL his testimonial money to charity. Shearer gave maybe a small percentage, or none from what I can recall.

    Keegan, although appreciated what he did at the time should have never left, he runs away when times are hard, or not going his way.

    He did the same to England, in reality he is a fossil, and again his management the second time round was average at best.

    We need to move forward not backwards, and Ashley provided the fans with managers they wanted. Ultimately it ended in relegation. Say what you want but it did.

    They are both not good enough to manage a PL in todays league, sorry but it is the truth.

    I love them both for the accomplishments with the club, but to worship them for these accomplishments needs to stop at some point when you realise the issues they cause.

    A true gentleman will be like Bobby, although treat awful (something Shearer instigated) he walked away quietly. True gent, not like Keegan and Shearer sticking the nose in the press at any given moment.

    Sorry but no, it has to stop.

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  • one Tony Green

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #43

    @ 41 aye aye aye aye someone has pinched my sombrero

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  • Charlie in the Gallowgate

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:44 AM

    Comment #44

    One Tony- Green
    I think Geremi, Cacapa, Viduka were also Pre Ashley.
    wasn’t it reportedly that Gerami was sitting in the reserves bringing in £70,000 a week

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  • G

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Comment #45

    @pawl. Do you get paid by the word mate?

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:47 AM

    Comment #46

    shearer was never given a level playing field to start with help from a squished tomatoe so your wrong to say he’ll never make a manager wrong wrong wrong that said i would want him yet till he’s proved a point

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  • numba9

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Comment #47

    Keegan took us forward years in a very short space of when he replaced Ozzie we had the best youth set up he stated because we had a poor first team. Basically lads that had to take the jump quickly into first team.in the case of the reserves the league wanted us to play a bigger percentage at s j p.. we had a title contending team and the pitch was in poor state

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  • jimmysmith

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Comment #48

    A drovers dog should be able to guide a club the size of Newcastle to eighth.

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  • pawl250

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:50 AM

    Comment #49

    G –

    I don’t think Kinnear will improve the club personally, but MA does.

    And like I said if it doesn’t like DL he will be removed from position.

    Bottom line we can only assume Kinnear has been brought in from his football experience. It cannot be for his charm, or silver tongue infront of the media.

    He is a mess frankly, but he is here for a reason. Like I said MA will not have hired him to de-value the club. He did it because HE believes Kinnear can add something. What that is remains to be seen.

    Personally I like the idea of a footballer background in the position he is, BUT Kinnear is for me, not the right man.

    I would have probably though Hoddle, or Houllier or someone in the mold of Deschamps with good foreign relations would have been a much better candidate.

    But as stated, MA has hardly done anything wrong, in his tenure the club has improved overall. So I will wait and see what outcome this produces, moaning about it does no one any good though.

    It just makes us like a shambles, the club a shambles and really how do we attract better players when that is the case?!

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  • pawl250

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:51 AM

    Comment #50

    G

    Always been told I have to say 10 words when I can use 5, sorry its habit mate haha!

    I feel the need to explain, in full if you have not already noticed 😉 what my opinion is. Sorry!

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  • Sazzer

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:52 AM

    Comment #51

    This Gignac rumour pisses me of. Marseille want to sell this loser and buy Payet and either Alessandrini or Thauvin. They even tried with Cabella those sneeky bastards.

    12 m£ crazy talk. GFN said they heard nothing so probably nothing in it.

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  • Sazzer

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Comment #52

    Man U is closing in on Strootman.

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  • G

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Comment #53

    Sorry Pawl, wasn’t having a go. For the record, if I post anything dead long it’s usually in rant mode, so it tends to come out as complete babble. I’m genuinely impressed that you can do so without the same result, and make a comprehensive point out of it all. Well done.

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  • Spotlight Kid

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:53 AM

    Comment #54

    PAW – your masterpiece of wishful thinking viewed through rose tinted specs (borrowed from bills-son?) is obviously set to run and run consecutive articles. So, just to counter a few of the many ludicrous assertions contained while having a coffee:

    WHY do people want Mike Ashley to leave?

    Because he hasn’t a clue about running football clubs, period. His business model is creaky and financially skewed, with little sign of on field success being a priority. It was he who overpaid by at least £100m for the club, thus leaving the club perpetually dependent on loans – completely unnecessarily. Compare this to Norwich, who will be in the black and completely loan free later this year, finished above NUFC in the league, and have already beaten NUFC to a supposed target signing.

    Overall the team is the strongest I have seen since Bobby and the days of Robert, Bellmay, Shearer, Speed, Solano etc.

    That would be why it narrowly escaped relegation in 16th place?

    He choose Kinnear for manager, but really WHO wanted to come to Newcastle which at the time was a mess?

    Did he actually seriously try to find anyone else? Evidence, please?

    Half the fans are like sheep, and dont form their own logical opinion, they just follow the crowd.

    Which half would that be? Who are you to call the fans ‘sheep’ anyway? Again evidence please!

    If you look at what MA has done overall, he has done more positives then negatives, he just doesn’t care about what people think.

    No he hasn’t. Where was the club when he bought it, and where is it now – financially and footballing wise? He has made error after error – and the myth of ‘sound financial management’ is just that – a myth. Ashley gambled, overpaid for the club, and the fans are still picking up the tab.

    he changed a Stadium name in the attempt to generate Revenue?!

    According to reports Sports Direct paid not one silver farthing for the vandalising the ground with advert graffiti, or the name change.

    Owning a PL club, that is self sustained, or not far off is a massive thing these days.

    (see above also) Norwich managed it in a fraction of the time Ashley has had, with half the fan base and has a team that beat both Man City and Man Utd last season.

    Seriously, wake up and realise a good thing while it is infront of you!

    Fans are waking up, and forming associations to challenge the received wisdom Ashley has been peddling directly and by proxy. One day they will succeed as he is unworthy of the ownership of the club.

    support the club rather than advertising it as a shambles!

    It’s Ashley’s methods that are a shambles, that’s what folks are saying, try reading. The club is being tainted by association with MA’s methods – ie Wonga, JFK etc. On Wonga alone, smaller clubs have got better deals with much better firms, so where’s the much vaunted business acumen here? And would JFK get a post at ANY other Prem or Championship club??

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:54 AM

    Comment #55

    @49 and who in your opinion is responsible for making us look ridiculous

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:56 AM

    Comment #56

    bang on spotlight

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  • Unbelievable Tekkers

    Jun 26, 2013 at 11:59 AM

    Comment #57

    Sazzer – that gignac story is a load of crap there’s no way Carr would recommend bidding 12m for him

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  • jayphoto

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #58

    Sazzer – doubt theres interest on our side but theres no way marseille are holding out for 12m, it’d be for half that amount, they agreed to sell him to fulham a year ago for 6m before pulling out because they didnt get his replacement! Gignac isnt a bad player and tbh would probably result in cisse getting alot of goals as he makes alot of space for his strike partners

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:02 PM

    Comment #59

    ashley not looking to sell but open to offers though

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  • spudzzz

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:08 PM

    Comment #60

    there is lot of things that could have gone better but overall this reactive attitude towards anything pardew or ashley does is just plain silly.

    NUFC would have most probably done a LEEDS if it wasnt for Ashley making those tough decisions that have taken us back a few steps…I prefer going back a few steps and trying to rebuild with a sound financial base than freefall down the leagues as Leeds did.

    Pardew only got us to 5th in the league with arguably the smalled squad in quality in the top 10 ! we had nearly no injuries to our key players that season. One season later and we lose key players for months on end. The depth opf squad is show for what it is …..ie not good enough and we fall to 16th. Yes we should have bought last summer, that was a mistake. but to say Pardew is clueless/loves hoof ball when he got us to 5th in those circumstances is laughable at best. with a few good signngs this summer, key players injury free, i can pretty much garantee we will be back in top 6…..And no …not wearing rose tinting glasses….Simply comparing our first 11 to what else is out there in the PL

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  • jimmysmith

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:15 PM

    Comment #61

    Well, perhaps we would have done a Leeds, perhaps not, but what we have now is Wonga and an owner who won’t compete at a level commensurate with a club our size despite having the resources to do so. I can live with it I guess, but geez it’s hardly inspiring stuff, just the opposite, really.

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  • spudzzz

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:18 PM

    Comment #62

    i suppose uninspiring is a good way of putting it…however my uncanny habit of being an eternal optimist predicts that Newcastle will rise high again very shortly and stabilize in the top 6 🙂 Keep the faith 😀

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:19 PM

    Comment #63

    i have seen nothing in last season player wise to support the claim we will be a top 6 side bunkum

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  • Vancmagpie

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Comment #64

    @54
    Spot on

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:20 PM

    Comment #65

    i will record that prophecy for l8rs

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  • JK

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:23 PM

    Comment #66

    No Dignity!>>!? Yeah so quashing spurois rumors is not being dignified? I was talking to Colorcinno 2 days before he decided to stay, he knows me and saw the direction NUFC were going in.

    Journos just mking it up, its not on people saying ive no f’king dignity!

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:24 PM

    Comment #67

    firstly nothing in football is guaranteed

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  • pawl250

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:25 PM

    Comment #68

    WHY do people want Mike Ashley to leave?

    Because he hasn’t a clue about running football clubs, period. His business model is creaky and financially skewed, with little sign of on field success being a priority. It was he who overpaid by at least £100m for the club, thus leaving the club perpetually dependent on loans – completely unnecessarily. Compare this to Norwich, who will be in the black and completely loan free later this year, finished above NUFC in the league, and have already beaten NUFC to a supposed target signing.
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    His business model is sound. You buy Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Cabaye, Tiote, Gouffran, Santon, Cisse and tomorrow could sell them for than you bought them for.

    If you look at the whole set up, it is viable to say we set the precedent in modern football to buy players like Cabaye, in comparison to Henderson at Liverpool for less than 1/4 of the price.

    On field success, 5th is progression from a relegation bound team Ashley bought, as rightly said foolishly in the grand scheme of things without due diligence.
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    Overall the team is the strongest I have seen since Bobby and the days of Robert, Bellmay, Shearer, Speed, Solano etc.

    That would be why it narrowly escaped relegation in 16th place?
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    Last season 16th place? Yes you are correct but a mere 3 wins would have taken us to 8th! This is hardly a massive drop considering 1 other teams the season before under performed (Chelsea, Liverpool) and the amount of injuries we had. I mean it was a serious issue, a one for me that would be my main concern if I were JK.
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    He choose Kinnear for manager, but really WHO wanted to come to Newcastle which at the time was a mess?

    Did he actually seriously try to find anyone else? Evidence, please?
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    Really you think someone wanted to come to Newcastle at that point?! The club had so much negative press, much like now it made it difficult to attract any manager. I personally feel that is why we ended up with Pardew, the same negativity overall still surrounding the club and MA.
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    Half the fans are like sheep, and dont form their own logical opinion, they just follow the crowd.

    Which half would that be? Who are you to call the fans ‘sheep’ anyway? Again evidence please!
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    You are right who am I?! but you are naive to think the majority of fans understand the financial, and background behind modern day football clubs. I myself have extremely limited knowledge, but I still in my trade deal with business, behind the scenes and know its not as simple as oh we will buy this player for x amount like so many fans expect. This is life, and I am sorry but not everyone understands the full ins, and outs or the whole story. They just assume oh we didnt buy anyone last summer MA out! Its sheep talk, due to grudges and personal dislike that spreads. Its the problem with fans today, we could finish 4th and STILL not everyone will be happy. We could even finish 1st and people will find a way to complain.
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    If you look at what MA has done overall, he has done more positives then negatives, he just doesn’t care about what people think.

    No he hasn’t. Where was the club when he bought it, and where is it now – financially and footballing wise? He has made error after error – and the myth of ‘sound financial management’ is just that – a myth. Ashley gambled, overpaid for the club, and the fans are still picking up the tab.
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    HE paid £100m extra, not Newcastle. Therefore its not part of his debt. The debt is that of the club alone, overpaid wages, and transfer fees. Much like the UK government the previous owners were paying i.e. 20m out and only receiving 10-12m in. Overall establishing a debt in the process, a debt MA came in and removed with personal cash. He then lowered a wage bill that should be finishing 4th in PL to a more realistic budget. Not CL wages, sorry but you have your facts wrong. Error after error, explain these errors, because appointing the likes of KK and Shearer was done to appease the fans, is that his or the fans error?! He is a business man, he wants to improve the value of the club ergo, improving his own personal value in the process. To think otherwise is nothing short of idiotic.
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    he changed a Stadium name in the attempt to generate Revenue?!

    According to reports Sports Direct paid not one silver farthing for the vandalising the ground with advert graffiti, or the name change.
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    The change of SD logo was an attempt to show what could happen for potential suitors, in the mean time was personal advertising I agree it should have paid for. BUT its his company, his club (and before you say it is the fans ITS NOT, we support it, he owns it ergo his club) he can do what he likes. He has already put money into the club, why should he put more. I agree it was wrong of him doing that, if that is the case, evidence?!, as you so rightly seem to ask for.
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    Owning a PL club, that is self sustained, or not far off is a massive thing these days.

    (see above also) Norwich managed it in a fraction of the time Ashley has had, with half the fan base and has a team that beat both Man City and Man Utd last season.

    Norwich are in my opinion relegation candidates this year, and the team is not even half the value of Newcastle. Name one player worth over 10m they have right now?! Like Wigan, QPR they may have survived last year but it will eventually catch them up as the standard of the PL is above them, they can only self sustain so much given the fan base at the disposal. As for beating Man City, Utd last season, that argument is moot, the season Chelsea won CL, we won them does that make us better? No it simply means any team can win any game on any given day, no matter the opponent.
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    Seriously, wake up and realise a good thing while it is infront of you!

    Fans are waking up, and forming associations to challenge the received wisdom Ashley has been peddling directly and by proxy. One day they will succeed as he is unworthy of the ownership of the club.
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    As a supporter of the club, I am happy with MA as chairman, had he not been here we COULD (not certain) been the next Portsmouth especially under the previous regime. Where do you think the debt come from? And big money mercenaries like Viduka, Owen, Geremi, Smith were not the answer! The current players like Haidara, Mbiwa, Sissoko are as they are valued players, for fraction of the cost with high re sale value.
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    support the club rather than advertising it as a shambles!

    It’s Ashley’s methods that are a shambles, that’s what folks are saying, try reading. The club is being tainted by association with MA’s methods – ie Wonga, JFK etc. On Wonga alone, smaller clubs have got better deals with much better firms, so where’s the much vaunted business acumen here? And would JFK get a post at ANY other Prem or Championship club??
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    Clubs have better deals? I am sorry what is the Wonga deal worth? Or any clubs deal for that matter?!

    The club is a business, how is loan sharks any different from promoting Beer, Tobacco or Betting companies?

    All that can riddle someone into debt?! is it right to promote harmful agents like Brown Ale, todays era yes, its moral high ground. But bottom line is how many people take notice?! I can name 4 maybe 5 shirt sponsors in the PL.

    I as a business man would take that which offered me the most money, ergo making my personal asset effectively more valuable and more sustainable.

    Life has changed, and in a few years Wonga wont be allowed. But as stated this is one of the things people regardless of club position would moan about!

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:26 PM

    Comment #69

    more to the point who wants him to stay

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  • Jail for Ashley

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    Comment #70

    Spotlight kid,
    That is the best post I have ever read if not THE BEST !!
    I wish more people would wske up and smell the coffee.

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  • Joe Blog

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:31 PM

    Comment #71

    The real concern today is: has anyone contacted a therapist on behalf Jayk, to set-up his first session?

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  • jimmysmith

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    Comment #72

    ermm, I’d just like us to punch our weight, have a dip, play some adventurous stuff and not have Wonga on our magnificent shirt. I guess theyre my biggest complaints about Ash and co.

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:35 PM

    Comment #73

    cmon ed where is the vote of confidence for ashley its a must

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  • Dondatta13

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM

    Comment #74

    The ting that hits me is…

    All the disdain for Ashley , everything, the whole debacle, from Keegan gate, name change, JFK (twice)…

    In one swoop the lot can be put to rest. I’m not talking about anything outlandish, well, maybe.

    Just go out and win something…

    Mike could literally have us playing in red n white for the next 20 years and we wouldnt really care…. Well maybe not the red and white bit but you get what Im saying.

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  • hadthetshirt

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:39 PM

    Comment #75

    Well this makes a lovely change reading the blog today.Some great posts good reading and no bombing, name calling,or swearing.Long may it continue.

    Could our CB be indeed Mamadou Sakho ??

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:40 PM

    Comment #76

    @74 someone always has to loose and im sick of it .ashley is not changing that outcome by his decisions period

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  • Vancmagpie

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Comment #77

    @pawl
    You say it’s his club his business so he can do as he chooses so that makes the debt his and not the clubs as its one and the same

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  • JAMSHA

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:45 PM

    Comment #78

    Ashely Out????? YES SIR

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  • John Tudor

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:48 PM

    Comment #79

    @ ed get a vote on

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  • pawl250

    Jun 26, 2013 at 12:50 PM

    Comment #80

    John Tudor,

    Mike Ashley has been at the club what 6 years, we have not won a trophy since 1969!

    I am sorry but to say he wont change things has no moral ground. Many have come and failed, managers, players, chairman. Ultimately I am confident to say we are closest we have been to winning a trophy in terms of quality players since Bobby Robsons team, and before that Keegan in the 90’s!!

    Sorry but not winning a trophy has nothing to do with Ashley, infact its arguable to say we are still around to compete for a trophy BECAUSE of MA.

    Before he came, previous owners were about to make us the next Leeds/Portsmouth that much is clear.

    The debt the clubs owes to MA, is not because he spent the money himself, its because previous owners left the debt and MA cleared it with his own personal money.

    Therefore he is now owed it rather than loans to the bank with interest, not because he paid £100m more than he should with the lack of due diligence.

    If it had not been for MA, and another owner did not come in, i.e. in the mold of Man City billionaire owners! NUFC would be in more debt than it is now, arguably with a older, mercenary squad AND possibly not even in the PL today.

    My opinion.

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