The new FA Chairman Greg Dyke has made it a priority that he somehow gets more English players playing in the Premier League, and he has already criticized the policies of both Newcastle and Sunderland, for recruiting too many players from the continent.
Greg Dyke – new FA Chairman
But Greg got some support last week from the Premier League clubs, who agreed to work with the FA to get more players into their teams, and earlier this week Chelsea manager Joe Mourinho said he would be happy to sit down with the FA, and help English football in any way he can.
However, Dyke has already blasted the two big north-east clubs for not playing enough English players in their sides:
“Sunderland’s first game of the season against Fulham there were only four players on the pitch at the start of the game who were actually qualified to play for England.
“Mind you in the Newcastle team beaten 4-0 by Manchester City on that same opening weekend it was even worse – there was only one English player in their starting line-up.”
We agree it’s a bit of a dilemma that not many English players are playing in the top English league, but there are different ways of looking at why that’s the case.
Dyke’s view is that it’s because too many players are coming in from abroad and preventing Englishmen from getting a game.
But another view is that it means the English players must improve, because they are currently not good enough, and the new St George’s Park facility is the FA’s national football center on a 330-acre site at Burton upon Trent in Staffordshire.
The facility was opened last October, and all coaching and development will be undertaken there by the FA, for all the England national football teams at the different levels.
That’s a good approach, and once we make our young English players better than they are today, we should see more of them playing in the Premier League.
Well that’s at least one viable approach to getting more English players participating in the Premier League.
It might even work.
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148 comments so far
Sep 19, 2013 at 11:48 AMComment #41
@39 sissoko 2 million Cabaye 4million HBA, 5million enough said.
Sep 19, 2013 at 11:48 AMComment #42
How about this for an idea, buy an expensive team full of Englishmen and then get told we cannot play in Europe because we have failed with the Fifa fair play rule.
Dyke, take your head out of the sand you silly man.
Sep 19, 2013 at 11:52 AMComment #43
HBA was 5million according to the English press, French press had it at around 2million. Either way, yourpoint is made.
Sep 19, 2013 at 11:55 AMComment #44
I know what you are saying but what you have to remember is that you have only mentioned 5/5 players who could be good English buys, you could add Alli from MK Dons and Ings from Burnley and no doubt you could perhaps add an additional 6/7 more, possibly more than 6/7, but their are 20 teams in the prem who would want them as well as some in the Championship who may also feel that they could get them, there are no where near enough to satisfy the Premier league’s hunger for good players, as a result it has got to be more productive to concentrate elsewhere.
Sep 19, 2013 at 11:57 AMComment #45
Dear Mr Dyke
Get your own house in order first before casting aspersions
How about driving a FA/PL initiative to recruit more coaches at grass roots upwards and regional centres of excellence to improve home grown talent, but it’s easy to criticise rather than doing isn’t it
Sep 19, 2013 at 11:57 AMComment #46
While we are on about English players transfer fee’s, let’s not forget the huge wages that they get as well! Connor Wickham earns a higher salary then Paul Pogba.
Sep 19, 2013 at 11:58 AMComment #47
Unfortunately Roy times change! all three of those players didnt re-sign contracts so were going to be cheap anyhow, one of them was injured and forced a move? Those deals are not there anymore! If Thuvain is worth 15m Is Ince not worth half that?
This “untried” title annoys me as well, foreign players have to adapt to our weather our culture our language our food etc etc is that not just as big as gamble as a young players who played his whole life in this country?
Sep 19, 2013 at 11:58 AMComment #48
Zaha is on similar wages to what we reportedly pay Cabaye a week.
Sep 19, 2013 at 11:59 AMComment #49
that’s pretty much what I was saying @38, all he is doing is looking for a scapegoat to blame to hide the failings of the corporation which he now represents, it’s pathetic
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:00 PMComment #50
If all these young English players are so good how come they are’nt in the England team that is screaming out for new talent? Then the likes Lambert would’nt be drafted in at the age 32.
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:01 PMComment #51
Lilongwe – Something Freddy Shepherd handled particularly well. He wasn’t always the duffer many on here have painted him!
After Michael Owen’s lengthy injury absence after the 2006 World Cup there followed a dispute between FIFA, The FA and Newcastle United. After lengthy negotiation eventually there was an unprecedented £10m compensation award to Newcastle. Significantly this brought about changes to the compensation arrangements between club and country regarding injuries sustained by contracted club whilst players were on international duty.
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:01 PMComment #52
No, not at the prices. If it made financial AND footballing sense I’m fairly certain clubs would be doing it. Obviously it doesn’t as no one is.
Villa bought cheap English players last summer, and tried to do it, but they had to supplement it with Benteke. Had they not bought Benteke those English lads would have got them relegated. This summer, Villa looked abroad to better players for cheap prices.
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:02 PMComment #53
Surely there is a hell of alot more money in the BPL that Serie A thus all wages on average would be alot more!!!
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:03 PMComment #54
have a look @44, can you disagree with that, to be honest I don’t think it is possible to disagree with that, as a result I don’t really see any legs in this debate !
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:03 PMComment #55
Correct,these players only have potential,nothing more.Maybe a bargain at the minute or maybe a expensive flop in the future,who knows.
Can I ask you something, I’m sure I read a couple of years ago about the F.A. coaching badges that nobody fails the course or am I mistaken ?
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:03 PMComment #56
Lilongwe- your main point does remain valid. I would still like to sign Tom Ince in January.
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:05 PMComment #57
As much as i would love too see 11 Englishmen Starting for Newcastle. That could never coz English players are more expensive… Just look at English International V French Players Ruff Transfers (also not saying who is better just fact they are international)
Rb – Glen Johnson 17m Debuchy 6m
Cb – J Lescott 20m Mbwia 6m
Mid J Milner 20m HBA 5m
Mid J Henderson 20m Cabaye 4.6m
Mid A Johnson 20 m Sissoko 2m
Mid S Downing 20m Remy 8m(QPR)
Sk A Carroll 35m Gomis 8m (didnt Complete)
Total 152m 39.6m
Now i know which set of players i would rather have for 1/3 of the price
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:05 PMComment #58
@47 those deals are still there though as the likes of Gomis and Remy are proving. And come January there will be others that NUFC, can cherry pick, instead of being ripped off over here for average Championship talent.
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:06 PMComment #59
The FA and The Premier League do not have each other’s interests at heart so that will always be a problem. Clubs in the richest league in the world are going to splash the money around to look after themselves.
But here are simple and obvious steps to get more Brits in the PL and improve the England team especially.
1 – more technical training at a young age rather than focussing on physicality – the French and Spanish are years ahead of us here
2 – more assistance and encouragement for players to join youth teams abroad – maybe more tie-ups between 2 clubs sharing youth players?
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:06 PMComment #60
Yes, that was a one off. The FA now have legal caps and contracts to prevent them having to pay out like that again now. They want the rewards for minimal risks to themselves.
I would have loved to have done an overhaul and brought in talented young englishman this summer. It would have mean writing this season off, but I could have seen a clear plan for progress. But, it would have cost a lot of cash to do.
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:10 PMComment #61
How happy would fans be if we signed a player for £8M from a Spanish, Italian or German second division side? There may occasionally be a star like Walcott or Bale but Ince and Rhodes aren’t being talked of in that bracket.
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:10 PMComment #62
That part proves exactly why clubs look abroad, as they don’t have to pay as high wages. What about the Zaha Cabaye comparison, both Prem, one an experienced international, title winner and has European experience the other a lad who looked inconsistent and talented in the Championship.
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:11 PMComment #63
Bit of a farce to comment on the fact we only had 1 British player against Man City – the only one to be sent off before half time…
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:13 PMComment #64
Walton name one of them which wasnt in the last year of there contract begging for a move to the BPL ome even refusing to play/train? on the other hand all those english players had 2/3 years left on there contracts.
Spoof i agree with your point, i think i just wished we looked at home first before we scouted abroad, seems like Carr is permanantly on the continent, and that on occasion we could pick up good deals on our doorstep!! I suppose alot of this argument depends on personal opinion of a certain players quality and will always differ from one to another!!!
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:16 PMComment #65
I’d happily have Ince, but on an incentivised pay structure, and a structured fee based on his progression, not his supposed future ability. While we continue to be run with a view to only getting bargains and value, then Ince at 8million +add ons is not only foolish, but is half our budget.
I’d also have liked Hughes, Bennet, Maguire, Long, Adili, Redmond, Chalobah, Clayton, Byram, Trippier Powell, the Murphy brothers, Ibe, Bennett etc but being realistic most will be overpriced.
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:19 PMComment #66
Carr is mainly based on the continent. We wanted to appoint Harford to head up our scouting operations in the UK, as at the minute it is limited. Even Bigi was recommended by former player and former Coventry director Ray Ranson rather than spotted by our scouts.
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:19 PMComment #67
Well said Lilongwe
I suppose with this pillock in charge of our club we can only dream.
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:21 PMComment #68
if you agree with me then you can understand why Carr is abroad so much, I am probably speaking for at least 95% of us when I say that if given a choice of spending £10m on a foreigner with X amount of wages or spend exactly the same fee and wage on an Englishman with exactly the same ability, I would go for the Englishman, most of us agree with your principle, but practically it just doesn’t work out.
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:21 PMComment #69
Barcelona and the Spanish national team have set the bench mark of how football should be played. So until the coaching in England takes this into account and changes its techniques at grass roots level, then we will always be recruiting from the Continent as their youth system is far superior to ours.
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:23 PMComment #70
The fact all this was brought to the fore by Rio Ferdinand, who complained that Newcastle had too many average foreigners and weren’t helping the national team has sort of been forgotten.
This is Rio Ferdinand who decided to turn his back on England when called up, and the same one who relied on a foreigner to win them the title, and the same one who was gushing in praise of Belgian youngster Adnan who has halted the route to the first team of several of their young English players…..
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:25 PMComment #71
i hardly think there is any toon fans or even manager + who would not love to sign a very good england player !!!
i’m desperate for bigi/cambell to come through and hopefully play for england as i hardly watch them now we dont have a player playing for them.
thing is england has lots of promise and expectations but once it gets past that development stage the majority just dont cut it i’m afraid 🙁
maybe instead of shifting the blame all the time they should look at the u17’s/u19’s/u21’s and ask themselves why they themselves are not developing the next gen of english players when its obv to see theres plenty of quality there.
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:26 PMComment #72
Spoof i agree with you to a certain degree haha
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:29 PMComment #73
Just a thought, tin hat firmly in place, your thoughts?
I have had a real hard time coming to accept what is happening at the toon of late, then I started to think of the situation ( if it was mine ) what would I do?
First I would contact the supporters directly ( we are maybe beneath hi for this though ) or indirectly, and say something like. ” Over the past years of ownership I have made mistakes, notwithstanding the due diligence issue and staff appointments. However I have worked to correct these issues and have place the club on a sound financial footing, but have invested a significant amount of my own personal money in the process. Any realistic person would expect this money to be repaid, and I am no different in this respect. Over the years I have tried to institute a business model which would help achieve this aim, and I realise that it may not be universally accepted by the fans of the club, however I believe in the model and will see it through for the benefit of all concerned. When the model is complete and the club is on an even keel financially and I have been repaid for the interest free loan to the club, I will then change the model of how the club is run to reflect the income generated by the fans and the T.V money etc. I estimate this will be in X years so would urge you to keep supporting the club, management and players. As was stated when I first bought the club a £20m a year investment would be made, however with increased T.V revenue this will obviously be increased and with the advent of the financial fair play rules coming into effect soon I believe the club will be in a very advantageous position, and can challenge the top 4 clubs.”
If Ashley or even Joke told me that was the plan, then I could accept that and even buy into it as there is evidence that is what he is doing, but it need to be told to the fans who are paying good money to the club. However the above could be all wishfull thinking and we could get screwed again like we always do and have been for years, LOL’s
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:30 PMComment #74
England team in 5 Years
Clyne Caulker Lacelles Shaw
Ince Barkley Oxlaide
Anyone got a Striker for me?????
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:38 PMComment #75
Danny Ings from Burnley looks handy, and don’t forget that in 5 years time Carroll and certainly Welbeck will still be in their prime
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:39 PMComment #76
Looking at Newcastle as a micrcosm of the National game, we produce lots of internationals at U16/17/18/19. At the minute, Gillihead, Armstrong, Satko, Campbell, Woodman, Barlaser, Drennan, Cameron off the top of the head, I’d imagine their are a few others. This could be they are more physically mature, the rest of their respective countries are awful or plainly and simply they are good players getting good coaching.
At NUFC, our 2 highest qualified coaches coach at U15 and U16 level. Would make sense that our youngsters peak at around this age then and fall away once they move on to the coaching of more old school Dave Watson, Kevin Richardson, John Carver, Steve Stone. I don’t know if this is the same throughout the Prem, but Coaching at Newcastle seems very much a jobs for the boys affair, and the better coaches are shafted down to the younger levels and out of the limelight.
Jail for Ashley
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:40 PMComment #77
I wouldn’t believe him anymore !
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:41 PMComment #78
The fact that your asking for a striker proves the point of a lack of numbers coming through, you have struggled to pick 1 team, there are 20 in the Premier league !
Jail for Ashley
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:41 PMComment #79
You could be on to something there !
Sep 19, 2013 at 12:42 PMComment #80
Whats Happened to Remie Street guys???? thought he was supposedly going to break into the 1st team squad last season?